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I'm getting to you and your rage Robik, I was literally in the middle of a conversation with someone else. Calm the fuck down.
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Like my thing is if GB would have us believe that he is town, then why is Robik the only person he's interested in trying to read? Like, he would have us believe that he "scumread" him...a "joke" in order to read him, which he then retracts to call him town, but now Robik is his lynch preference because he "went missing" or "quit trying" or whatever? What about all the other players in the game? Why is he looking exclusively at Robik?
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Like Robik, I don't know about "lies", I can maybe see a town GB like....making a play or whatever to try and read you. And while I agree that at first it certainly doesn't SEEM like a reaction test, it could be argued that THAT is the POINT of a reaction test.
But him reading you to exclusion IS something. Especially given, as HTS said, that town sentiment is VASTLY in favor of Toad/lian and has been for a while I think.
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Yeah I don't know that I can man. Like, maybe he actually thought you were mafia to begin with, maintained that position until your "reaction" or whatever and now thinks you are again. I don't know. But I think I agree that the easier pill to swallow is that he's mafia and just making shit up.
Assume with me for a moment that I'm voting with you. That's you and me on GB. There are still 3 people on Toad and 2 people on liancourt (I think?) If we're unable to sway anyone else, who are you going to vote for consolidation, if anyone?
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To set the record straight, I'm pretty sure I haven't defended you anywhere Toad. Simply asked Palmar to further elaborate on his read of you. I'm very close to voting for you myself, because I'm not used to you playing a game without screaming about how X or Y is mafia...regardless of your alignment.
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On January 29 2015 01:33 Palmar wrote:
kill toad.
Yes, who's a good boy? That's right! Palmar is a GOOD boy!
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On January 29 2015 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote:
Before I sleep a few of my thoughts.
1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes.
This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument.
GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis
Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance.
Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact)
ergo
Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion
The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions.
2. GB self voting making him town
This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it.
The premise that:
Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo)
GB self voted. (fact/truth)
ergo
GB is town (assumption)
The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption.
Socrates is a man. (fact)
Men are mortal. (fact)
ergo
Socrates is mortal. (fact)
For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game.
GB and Onegu are not confirmed town.
Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing.
I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl.
Onegu >gb > toad
I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread.
This is the best post I have read on TL mafia. Ever.
I'm not in total disagreement...
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On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote:
does this mean i can't sleep?
##Unvote
Sleep soundly young prince.
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On January 29 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:23 IAmRobik wrote:
HTS,
Once you're done doing whatever it is that you're doing, please explain why I'm mafia for only having a scumread on GB and no one else but Palmar is town for having a scumread on toad and no one else.
This is not to say I think Palmar is scum. This is to say that your logic is flawed and maybe I need to be more concerned about where your allegiances lie this game Palmar presented a case (and has since been further supported by other subsequent points, like the vote, lack of pushes, etc) on Toad. Maybe it's your style I don't know. I triple checked your filter, and I see posts like what you have on page 1-2 of your filter: Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 22:54 IAmRobik wrote:On January 26 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, regarding #2, I don't fully agree with your read, as I said before, I can see a null or scum read on his behaviour going either way, and to me, he's sarcastic (but tone read) and such, but I am taking him at face value.
If you are taking him out based on meta, I need you to explain. He's voting me because he's mafia You don't appear to be explaining why he's mafia. I made a case based on stuff GB said, but I am trying to see your reasoning for voting him. How do I know you aren't potential scum trying to take advantage of a town-driven case? I have to question that. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:59 IAmRobik wrote:
Dude look at fantasy football mafia 2 and to mafia lxviii. And compare GB's posts in those games he's town. you're fuckign wrong. Look at the formatting of his posts. It's all disjointed, like a bunch of separate sentences even though they're about the same thing.
I mean I think you need stronger points than this.
On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote:
GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting.
Robik starts posting
GB: Robik is scum because: meta
Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched?
I see this quote and my first reaction is to say....uh, counterargument, please?
Then I see stuff from you like "free town reads" for people voting GB.
I feel the difference between Palmar and you is that at least Palmar has shown at least a shred of critical thinking. He has explained his pushes and his justifications for doing things.
I don't think you have. Not yet. Some general points about being AFK, etc, but I mean, I've been doing that a lot too, and so have some others.
Am I making sense now?
And to be fair, I am keeping an eye on GB, given my latest post. I still didn't like his notes, and he's definitely not as towny to me as say VisceraEyes. [/QUOTE]
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Well that didn't work out as well as I'd hoped 
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On January 29 2015 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Do you still think I'm fictional VE?
I think I like you better when you incorrectly call me mafia, if you can believe that.
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Palmar, can we try it my way now?
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On January 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still relatively fine with a GB lynch. I still don't like his "mind dumps" and he warned us he'd be doing them all game and now that he's been called out on it they've stopped. Like, it all just stinks of trying to APPEAR to be doing things. Robik going hard on GB too, and I think Robik probably town.
Toad seems town to me, though I admit that my read on Toad is possibly bad. Here he is on the GB lynch after voting GB then Palmar. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Eden and HTS are both super town. I'm LEANING town on liancourt because of how he "responded" to Eden freaking out. I still suspect Palmar of being mafia and I'm still suspecting GB.
Palmar coming in and actually trying to lynch someone moves him out of my lynch preferences for today, so GB is my default as of right now. Unless someone can convince me that Toad is the best lynch, I'm going to look for a better lynch than GB, in case there is one. Here he is saying he is leaning town on lian. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agruee with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. But notice between calling lian townie, he never mentions lian again before voting him. And gives no reason for voting lian. When pushed he gives this BS reason Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 11:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again? Because everyone else is like, MORE probably town. I kinda like GB's explanation for the self-vote and Palmar is looking much better. Lian is just kinda in the background, etc. etc. I just think he's a fine lynch. Maybe why don't YOU explain why YOU think he's town and maybe I'll agree? Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote:
does this mean i can't sleep? ##UnvoteSleep soundly young prince. And now the unvote with no reason as lian gets close to being hammered. And the rest of his filter is calling palmar scum.
So do you think I'm mafia? Like, if you didn't like my "BS" reasoning for unvoting lian, why didn't you say anything about it at the time? Too busy fading into the background?
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Onegu is just flopping around now. He's voting for lian, is calling me mafia and "is going to prove" that Robik is mafia. How many mafia does Onegu think are in this game?
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On January 30 2015 08:24 IAmRobik wrote:
VE,
Do you think that onegu's case on you is townie?
I don't really understand the question. I can see a townie raising the concerns he raises, but I can also see a mafia pretending to raise the concerns he raises. It's not alignment indicative one way or the other imo.
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What inconsistency are you referring to exactly?
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It wasn't BS, at the time most other players looked better than him so I voted for him. It's not BS and the fact that you call it BS is ludicrous because you were voting for him yourself which means you literally agreed with me.
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##Vote: Onegu
That makes it super ezmode.
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On January 30 2015 08:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2015 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
It wasn't BS, at the time most other players looked better than him so I voted for him. It's not BS and the fact that you call it BS is ludicrous because you were voting for him yourself which means you literally agreed with me. To me it looks like you made up a reason to bus your scum mate and when he got close you unvoted for no reason.
That's cool, and to me it looks like you're grasping because you know I've been scumreading you since yesterday. Or maybe you don't, who knows, but you're grasping nonetheless.
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"VE made this post I agree with, but it's bullshit because *shrug*"
lmao
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