[M][N]Hammertime Mafia - Page 3

On January 27 2015 02:28 Palmar wrote:

♥♥♥

Toad, please help this man, he needs it. I must leave you now, but help him understand. Help him smite away his instincts and accept knowledge.

On January 27 2015 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad couldn't help me even if he wanted to. I'm beyond help at this point.

On January 27 2015 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Can you compare my list to yours HTS and tell me where the differences are?

1. Toad - town
   
2. HTS - likely town
   GB - likely town
   
3. Palmar - null, maybe slightly town
   VE - null, maybe slightly town
   
4. Robik - null, I have no idea
   
5. Onegu - null, a bit worse than robik though
   
6. Eden1892 - slightly leaning mafia for now
   liancourt - slightly leaning mafia

I know you don't agree with my read on GB. But what about the bottom part of my list? Especially considering that Eden and lian being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever I'd like to get some input on that.

On January 27 2015 03:58 Half the Sky wrote:


Pressure vote?

I am keeping my vote on GB until he gets back to me...

On January 27 2015 04:15 Eden1892 wrote:

hts says so, i've only played one game with him where he was town and i was mafia, and he locked onto me. but idk if he just does it in general or was zeroed in on me because i was obvious LOL

my issue is less that he's zeroed in on me and refusing to budge or explain himself, because townies and mafia both tunnel on targets all the time. my issue is the reasoning he's using, which i feel like doesn't come from the position of someone who doesn't have the truth and is trying to figure it out, but instead from the position of someone who does have the truth and is trying to obscure it from the others

On January 27 2015 04:36 Eden1892 wrote:

Nah, there's a key difference in what I'm observing - for him to start tunneling on someone he thinks is mafia he first has to have some reason for thinking it. If his initially-given reason for thinking I'm mafia doesn't actually make sense from a townie POV, it makes him significantly less likely to be town and tunneling.

Let's say it's d2 and he had done this awesome vote count analysis and made a decent argument for me being mafia. Say I afk'd with my vote on an outlier. He gives his case, then votes me, never reconsiders and starts turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling on me, but his fundamental argument that began the tunnel is sensible, so he's probably town tunneling.

In contrast, let's say it's d1 and he decided I'm mafia because I posted a picture of a puppy. (shit doesn't have to make sense just roll with it) He then never reconsiders and starting turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling again, but it starts to look a lot more like mafia tunneling to avoid having to engage the thread, because his original reason for suspecting me was bogus and he then starts adjusting his interpretations of everything I say to justify himself post-facto.

Obviously he's somewhere in the middle, but as I argued before, I think he's closer to the puppy side than the awesome side of the spectrum. His reasoning outright ignored half of his (two) data points without explanation, which is something I think is more likely to come from mafia than from town. He then proceeds to tunnel and misinterpret what I'm saying. The tunneling can go either way but the ignoring of the data points to make his first read can't.

On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:

His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy.

On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:

first sentence: He is bad
second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way
He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours.
fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis.

how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy?
HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended)
I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments.

On January 27 2015 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Wow I am amazed how much mafia you are for these three words Toad

##vote Toadesstern

On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts.

On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck

About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now...
I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time.

That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone.