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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 22 2015 03:13 GMT
#1261
Okay I'm back and honestly the reason I think LM might possibly be scum is mainly his filter size is smaller compared to the last game I played with him which was Carol of the Bell where he was a Mason so here's the filter here and keep in mind he got NK'd by a Vig at Night 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=LoneMeow
Also he isn't really trying to solve the game and he been vague on his reads on why they are in each category plus his only real scum read this entire game was Breshke and he not been pushing him that hard and not questioning him at all.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 22 2015 03:31 GMT
#1262
Quotes, LS?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 22 2015 03:42 GMT
#1263
Here where he started scum reading Breshke:
On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote:
TOWN

Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it.

LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town.

Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive.


Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:
K I just read all of Lightnings filter twice and he is not really scum hunting at all. Most of his contributions are talking about how many games people have played in/ played with him in and he talks A LOT about meta.

Can those people town reading Lightning please give me some in depth reasoning for those town reads. Cause I can't see it.


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.


This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far.

I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that.

##Vote: Breshke

GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you

But if you look at his filter he never really pressured Breshke at all after this vote here until today when he finally posted his vote on to Tfrel as seen here:
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Breshke is scum.

There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.

Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.

For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia

5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)

So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).

So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.

I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in.


Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him.

The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest.

There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis.


Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel.

But he has yet to pressure Breshke at all or asking him anything which seems really scummy.
Also his reads today prelynch was very vague though when I said his reads was vague with little reasons as seen in this post:
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
##Vote: Trfel

This is where I'm at right now:

Town:
rsoultin
jarjarbinks
LightningStrike

Null:
DarthPunk
The Shining
geript
Damdred

Scum:
Breshke
Trfel

Although he did follow up with his thing on Breshke but never pressured him after that that post.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 22 2015 04:07 GMT
#1264
On January 22 2015 12:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Here where he started scum reading Breshke:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote:
TOWN

Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it.

LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town.

Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive.


On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:
K I just read all of Lightnings filter twice and he is not really scum hunting at all. Most of his contributions are talking about how many games people have played in/ played with him in and he talks A LOT about meta.

Can those people town reading Lightning please give me some in depth reasoning for those town reads. Cause I can't see it.


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.


This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far.

I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that.

##Vote: Breshke

GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you

But if you look at his filter he never really pressured Breshke at all after this vote here until today when he finally posted his vote on to Tfrel as seen here:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Breshke is scum.

There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options.

On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.

Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.

For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia

5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)

So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).

So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.

I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in.


Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him.

The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest.

There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis.


Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel.

But he has yet to pressure Breshke at all or asking him anything which seems really scummy.
Also his reads today prelynch was very vague though when I said his reads was vague with little reasons as seen in this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
##Vote: Trfel

This is where I'm at right now:

Town:
rsoultin
jarjarbinks
LightningStrike

Null:
DarthPunk
The Shining
geript
Damdred

Scum:
Breshke
Trfel

Although he did follow up with his thing on Breshke but never pressured him after that that post.


Nice catch, LS. Regardless, he doesn't seem terribly interested in the game, even when he is in-thread. I'm taking a closer look at his voting progression vs. reads progression right now.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 22 2015 04:14 GMT
#1265
Okay I going to bed but when I wake up I expecting you to post your analyses on his voting progression!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 22 2015 06:13 GMT
#1266
kk...i'll drop my thoughts here after some sleep...have to make sure they still make sense lol xP cause I work during the day so that'll probably be my last real post for the night phase
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 22 2015 10:17 GMT
#1267
On January 22 2015 08:21 Breshke wrote:
So i can't be bothered to wait for LM to respond to my last question so im just going to go on.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Breshke is scum.

There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options.

On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.

Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.

For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia

5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)

So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).

So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.

I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in.


Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him.

The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest.

There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis.


Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel.


The bolded part gives me an impression that LM can see reason as to why i wouldn't have wanted to lynched geript or DP. This means that he must agree that they have done something townie or he is reading them town or whatever. But if you look at the reads list he just posted DP and Geript are both in his null category the same as the shining so from his PoV this doesn't make sense.




The bolded part meant I can understand why you might think it's not worth considering them (2 active players) over myself and The Shining (2 rather inactive players). It does not mean I think they should not be considered.

The biggest reason I'm reading your scum right now is that you don't seem to bother trying to verify your theory based on votes that I am scum using what I have posted in the game. Have you read my filter? Did you analyze the posts? What conclusions did you come to?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 22 2015 10:22 GMT
#1268
Breshke, please give your current reads when you're around. A list is fine for now.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 22 2015 10:34 GMT
#1269
The Shining, you've repeatedly made promises about looking into my play. Did you ever do that, any conclusions?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 22 2015 10:49 GMT
#1270
Lone meow going try-hard recently
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 22 2015 13:52 GMT
#1271
On January 19 2015 06:57 LoneMeow wrote:
Wait, TheWarWaffle was actually voting with his previous best scum read Trfel? Yeah I'm ok with lynching him.

##Unvote
##Vote: TheWarWaffle


I'm not Breshke. But this is why I think you're scum, if I had to choose one vote in your entire filter.

The JJB one was eh, but GB looked pretty townie imo at the time you posted it, so I don't find it terribly alignment indicative, however that reads like complete contrived BS. WW AFKd a vote on GB (again not alignment indicative, and GB was a scumread for him all game) and trfel only switched to GB a good deal later. It's factually untrue and looks to be grasping at straws to justify a vote change.

Then you return to finding reasons to scumread bresh. I already pointed out how your first reasons were at best based on a misread and at worst scummy.

Couple that with your relative inactivity and questions with little-to-no analysis this game and I think you're the solid Day 3 lynch, with the highest potential of flipping scum.




I actually like Breshke's play EoD Day 1. His read on JJB (though probably incorrect) was very easy to follow, and he pushed it in-thread, albeit not as loudly or strongly as our talkative, more forceful vets. His Day 2 play also is pretty decent imo. I don't think he's the lynch.

I looked back through Shining's posts. I don't think he's the lynch, either. His voting on GB made sense from a townie perspective; I'm often inclined to scum people who I feel are avoiding my questions, and his follow-up seemed genuine to me. He's got a ton of text which I think is the problem reading him, but forcing myself to read each word, it's all meat and i'm not seeing anything making me go woah wtf like I did with trfel.

That leaves Damdred, DP and geript by poe.

geript's push on WW reads genuine. there are a couple things in his play I don't understand (I.e. his reaction to the red check and the odd (imo) special treatment on trfel) but i'm going to give him a tentative townread for now because on the whole his play seems townie, especially in the voting at eod

DP...your filter is rock solid. I want to townread you for that so bad. the trfel (and possible lm) associative reads seem almost coincidental in the context of the rest of your filter. my concern with dp is i'm not seeing any drive from you really since D2 started and the sheeping vote at the end of day 1. I know you're convinced geript is town so I can see town doing that, but you seem like a strong enough player to have your own opinions. town to me, but I want more from you. hell, build a case against me, that would make me happy ^^ something that doesn't use geript as a crutch

damdred...you're still null. you feel off this game. your filter looks fine when I read it but in context you're just not giving me those razzle dazzle town feels I get when you're in the game and on fire. your play feels more reactive than productive. I know you said you're burnt out, and that's a possible explanation, but I need to think more on you. if I had to lynch someone other than lm day 3, the ball would be in your court, because everyone else I've found reasons to think they could be town, but you're just not impressing me




sorry for the long post. wanted to get my thoughts out there before day 3. if you guys have questions for me, i'll try to answer them, but i'm off to work so I probably won't have the time to go in-depth/may not see them
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 22 2015 20:51 GMT
#1272
Yeah I agree That I haven't done much since day two but that is mostly due to having a lynch already 100% defined.

Generally I don;t feel the need to do much when that is the case.

I am going to work now but if I am alive when I get back I will take another look.

If I am not alive:

JJB, LS, Geript, Rsoultin?

Unlynchable ATM

I think if you lynch into the others you should have this.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
January 22 2015 22:04 GMT
#1273
Stand by for Day Post. Ran into some slight difficulties-- expect it in about 5 minutes.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
January 22 2015 22:09 GMT
#1274
[image loading]


Day 3





LightningStrike the Town Cop has been shot!!




This day ends in 48 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Whoever has the most votes on them at that time gets lynched.

Countdown:

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 22:11:46
January 22 2015 22:10 GMT
#1275
The Shining has been warned for inactivity.

Remember, voting is mandatory, and it is required you post at least once per phase. If you fail follow activity requirements, you will be modkilled.

There will be no further warnings for inactivity this game.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 22 2015 22:12 GMT
#1276
Goof Job LS played decently this game bud.

Today we lynch lm.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 22 2015 22:15 GMT
#1277
Damdred finally posting. So yo. Damdy what were you thinking and feeling towards the end of D1
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 22 2015 22:28 GMT
#1278
I answered that lol.

GB was acting super towny and would rather GB live since he was doing some work then me who was playing horribly.

I was getting final reads ready for death meh
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 22 2015 22:30 GMT
#1279
Didn't realize that was specifically in response to me. I actually agree with LM's point against you there.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 22 2015 22:33 GMT
#1280
Can you tell me what said point was real fast, I can't remember it and I'm on phone
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