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Up to the point that he posted his read on LazerMonkey it was really weak. He even admits itself his suspicions towards LazerMonkey apply to himself also(the fact he's even thinking about that is suspicious)
On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote:
does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.
Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?
So if I don't agree about Lazer here I'm already being trashed because that makes me a tunneler. I've been trashed for apparently chainsaw defending LazerMonkey too. Up until this point of the game, the case on LM doesn't hold any water. I haven't caught up 100% so I can't say for certain that I believe LM to be town, but I see nothing suspicious that TheChyz is talking about.
On January 01 2015 02:12 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote:
so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. Yhea, but my suspcion against Chyz was not based on the fact that he didn't post about the main protagonists in the game (in fact, he did). But rather that he didn't give any read of his own. I have given my thoughts about a few people but not the three he mentioned I guess. Problem is that the other reads you have made is based on the fact that you dont have much (as I have bolded) and as such they are not good enough reads. You should have some more reads than me and robik. Let's hear some scum hunting and not 24/7 bandwagoning.
This post is insane considering TheChyz entered the game with his read on eden, with he dismissed and said wasn't worth voting for, before OMGUSing me (which wasn't a real serious read). That would put the total number of worthwhile or "serious" reads TheChyz has contributed to the thread is one. He still hasn't backed up anything with a vote and this is the only pressure he gives to LazerMonkey directly. Look at TheChyz's filter and tell me he's playing like someone who believes in his reads or what he is saying at all.
The game was still in a super early phase at this point and I find it suspicious that many other people have made the same reaching arguments about LazerMonkey. If you look at his first argument against thechyz it has basically nothing to do with any of the accusations I made against TheChyz and comes from a totally different place. At this point in the game, my only case on thechyz wasb ased around his read of eden and then:
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz
And now people are repeating how he's parroting me without thinking about it. His robik read wasn't exactly forced, he was answering other peoples questions. I won't guess about his activity because of the holidays. I'm not necessarily convinced that LazerMonkey has to be town, I just think TheChyz's reasons for giving him heat at the time are suspect
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On January 02 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:45 KelsierSC wrote:On January 02 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote:
Where he said he was ok with Dr h but previously he was voting him etc., it very much could be catching in a lie meh I read that as more frustration with DrH tunneling on him and having garbage reads. In fact he prefaces it, as such. On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica seems more like a joke to me Meh, I could see that. Either way like I said I don't think it makes him mafia in either case as townies can do that as well.
His vote on me was a bit of a joke but doesn't make it any less of a lie. Why would townie pat anyone on the back for tunneling them? I was fine? When I was tunneling him 8 hours ago and then later he says "oh yeah i was really pissed off and annoyed and that's why I ..."
so which is it? was he fine with me when I was "Trying to scum hunt" by tunneling him or was he annoyed? I can't really tell, I think he just wants to avoid any heat
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On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
Look how softly he goes after anyone he is suspicious of. Always wanna seek town approval first. Doesn't mind voting or acting with confidence when he's playing defensive though. Never really follows up on anything he says and is accusing people of things they either aren't really doing or that he is even more guilty of. Considering this behavior and presentation is all significantly different in tone from his previous game as town I don't need a whole lot more. If you read his filter closely he makes geript look much worse too.
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not to mention his initial "largest scumread" was eden . thechyz says he's suspicious for being wishy washy etc but at that point eden had already voted and made his thoughts quite clear. chyz never pressures eden or asks him any questions, nothing. barely has anything to say to his top suspect lazermonkey later. always seeking town points or people to agree w/ him
the fact that LM came out with a case on thechyz that had nothing to do with mine and is being accused of "just agreeing with everyone" or "parroting" is either mafia intention or very lazy reading.
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript
This is on page 1 of his filter of Cultured. He was town in this game. Look at the confidence he has so early on. When I ask him about eden he has nothing to say and then calls it a garbage vote and a pretty weak read.
Another interesting thing is in cultured when TheChyz posts a read he feels is soft or not fully formed yet, he admits it right away and doesn't just ask for other peoples support. In this game he only admits his read isn't worth anything if you ask him.
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On February 27 2014 23:56 TheChyz wrote:Ok so atm geript is getting quite a free pass from alot of people and I am curious as to why. His overall play this game has been all 1 tracked and tunnel visiony. I think its ok to tunnel vision on a read and not back off, but after everything this game his attitude has been like that towards everything. There is nothing worse than being scum but a close second is a unsuportive town which will ignore everybody's opinions on everything and just go their own way. These are the only two possibilites that I find possible for the way geript has been playing and in both scenarios they just cause useless confusion in town. He starts off with his vote on toad for thinking rayn is town. This has been the only argument he has made on toad apart from the one he made a few posts ago. So over the course of most of the game he has provided no reasons for wanting to lynch toad apart from that early thing he keeps blabbing about. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:38 geript wrote:
Mental note: Rayn and Toad very unlikely to be scum together. Also posts this and when I later call him out on it (and others) he tries making some reasons that are terrible, but again, come after a long time which seems like a common theme from him so far. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:47 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript you need to explain. No I don't. Look at the reason for the read he gave and don't tell me it's not bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:24 geript wrote:
##unvote
##vote jarjardrinks
I feel better about this. Rayn explain why. Whats with all of this about asking rayn why you [geript] are thinking this way? Shouldn't you connect the dots for town and not make other do the work for you? Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:48 geript wrote:
As in, I don't give a frak what I look like as town because I'm fraking town. Like it's a really weird perspective to think, "no but it'd be super scummy for me to sheep that terrible of a case" as coming from town because who as town is seriously concerned with their image that much. It's what you do that matters as town and not how it looks. As happened before, I always find it strange when people start talking about image. It might just be a philosophy thing I have but it still irks me the wrong way. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript,I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy.[b\##unvote ##vote toadescum Also his argument continues to be that he gets back onto the toad scum case and he uses the case the toad is not giving him [geript] an honest read? Please, you haven't given anyone an honest read all game and just tunneling on mostly 1 person while ignoring everything else around you. Hypocritical much? He makes many posts about toad that are useless so won't add them all since that would just be redundant at this point. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:26 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 12:25 Balla24 wrote:
Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks. He calls him modconfirmed for no reason really other than a terrible reason and yet he continues to talk about it further... Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 16:50 geript wrote:
Goddammit then look at him and read him again with a fresh mind. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 16:56 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways. Fine. Who do you want me to look at then? Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 17:06 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax.
Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier.
Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault. Nope not going to do it. I have a townread on him and I refuse to read any more shazazzly cases on him. So he tells rayn to look again with a fresh mind but when rayn asks for the same he refuses? Again this is him being one of the worst towns as possible or as scum just trying to keep up the act he has been doing the whole time so that people think because he is to tunnel visioned that he can't be scum. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:46 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 12:36 TheChyz wrote:On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
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I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.
Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.
There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum. Like I understand coming from GSL that you would think that. I was able to obs the game and my conclusion at the start of this game was the same, but it was only that, at the very start. I don't know how you all play and such so I just commented that Mocsta atm was the only person that gave off a townie vibe. However as the game progresses that same logic can't be applied. Just because he puts more effort is not a valid reason for you to guarantee that mocsta is not scum. Like mentioned by rayn (?) the GSL game was just a drawn out lurker fest which is actually probably the reason why mocsta got so antsy. Stop sticking to this argument this late in the game, its useless. Nah effort has nothing to do with why I think he's town. It has to do with looking at the game from his perspective and seeing how is reads and thought process evolves. Like him, wave and I were newbies (and experienced newb) together so we have loads of history. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:49 TheChyz wrote:
ok geript is BS'ing right now. That was to gumshoe (anybody who has paid any attention would know that) and he somehow rolls with it and tries to explain the reasoning for it. Come on guys. he's literally making shit up to defend himself from accusations that he didn't make (in this case b/c he misread). Lynch with fire He even respons to an accusation that I use on gumshoe and goes with it as if it was his own and tries to cover it up. Thats a spewing off BS in my opinion. If anybody has anything that they have that can support geript as town I hope you make your case cause I'm either tunneling on him way to hard and missing it or I'm right. [/b]
also as town he takes the effort to pick people apart which he hasn't done in this game
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You're wrong. There's no way he changed that much for the worse. The simpler explanation is better. Also this weird thing where geript and chyz talk about each other a lot in their own posts but never reply to each other directly is my #1 scumteam flag
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On January 02 2015 03:07 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
Look how softly he goes after anyone he is suspicious of. Always wanna seek town approval first. Doesn't mind voting or acting with confidence when he's playing defensive though. Never really follows up on anything he says and is accusing people of things they either aren't really doing or that he is even more guilty of. Considering this behavior and presentation is all significantly different in tone from his previous game as town I don't need a whole lot more. If you read his filter closely he makes geript look much worse too. As for meta, I don't care too much about someone that plays is differently from his last town game. People change their play style, especially when they are new. If he would have had one distinct playstyle for town and another for scum, I think it would be another thing, but as it stands I don't think its too relevant.
Anything else? What about his soft reads? What about his seeking of town approval? What about his criticizing of everyone else for not having enough reads or not doing any scum hunting when he doesn't push his own reads or have confidence in them. Twice he has accused people suspicious of him (who backed it up with votes and several posts of pressure and explanation) of having softreads and being wishy washy/parroting/whatever. It all comes together as just total scummy bullshit, this is getting really really frustrating for me.
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he also basically tunnels geript that whole entire game when in this game he hasn't done shit about his reads besides throw things to the wall to see what sticks. flips on koshi when town sentiment changes. unsure language, seeking approval, etc. it's all there with or without the extreme meta shift to contrast it to
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just look through thechyz's filter and ask yourself does this guy give a shit about finding scum. does this guy really believe in his own reads., look at the difference in tone. look at how he denigrates himself and calls himself a hypocrite in his own arguments preemptively deflecting criticism when he wasn't even concerned with the heat he was getting in cultured much as long as he could focus on geript. he has put no effort into pressuring his reads and for the most part doesn't even engage with them in the thread.
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Because it's clear from cultured that he isn't bad at town at all it's such a shocking drop off. He had been playing badly before the pressure, he played badly when it was one vote on him. In the last game he played cool up until he was lynched. He is apparently pressured in this game as well because:
On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote:
I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required.
Not even worried. Welcoming scrutiny.
Why did he decide to stop pushing his reads? Why did he decide to stop engaging with and asking questions to the people is suspicious of? Shit, in this thread he is even proactive about telling people when he can't be active. Because he has a stake in the game, his legitimate read on geript. ALL Of his reads in this game are fake and made up which is why he won't push or do anything about them and just wants to find out how many people agree.
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and tells everyone else how to play, that they're not putting in enough effort scumhunting from day 1 with a "hey guys im so pro town  " cred fishing post. this is classic newb mafia play. this is not what happens after a player has a good and confident town game, even if they are mislynched. this is wrong.
I will get behind a geript vote if I have to though. Notice how they use each other in their posts but never actually engage with each other
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Happy new years, no hard feelings
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In your change of heart post you're poking for geript to confirm a scum meta read on me and that it was before when you were fine with me. 8 hours ago you were fine with me (when you voted for me) and then in that post youre saying you aren't and again casting suspicion on me. Now you sound so buddy buddy I don't buy it.
You say your opiniom changed and you now think I'm town but you also said you never thought i was ever scum in the first place. Bullshit
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Thechyz is lying his ass off rn can we just get it over with
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Thechyz is saying he changed his read on me from scum to town when before he said his vote wasn't serious and he never thought i was scum.while at the same times asking qurstions to the thread trying to get someone else to fos me. Bold faced
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He wasnt even pushing you in tjat post. Thats insanely defensive of you to even feel the need to respond to that.
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That geript would think that means marv is fear lynching is enough for me to put to the noose today. If everyone is fatigued about thechyz at all, I can wait till N1 to scream at the vig
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I've never seen someone get so defensive over a null read that they would omgus....
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On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks?
I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me
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