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I'm so glad marv can't just point to his filter size anymore as mafia.
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On January 18 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. The way I see this is that you will try to manage this and get scumread for it. Then you will have to post more anyways to not get lynched. Or you will have to post more to get the lynch you want naturally. And if you do that you will have to cut all those little unimportant posts that can also show that you are town. This is not the best idea you ever had. don't you remember hogwarts?
Yes, I do. But you smurfed in hogwarts which is an important difference.
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sicklucker's fakeclaim was awful. It's always awful to lie when you're town. You distract other townies from doing their jobs with that kind of shit.
On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town. I never really care too much about meta arguments, maybe I should?
Like I kept bringing up you being less present and less involved than you should've been, but at the same time, someone said that you said you would try to keep down your town play in a previous game? To me, this seems like an WIFOM argument to use against you, no? If we got lynched, then we would've all looked cool and stuff, but if you were town, this would not be the case.
Compare it to Palmar, another high profile player, who was very uninvolved. Was it the correct decision to lynch him? I mean, OBVIOUSLY NOY because he was town. But thats why I kinda dislike that type of argument in general.
Not caring about meta is fine. My basis for scumreading Damdred was NOT meta. Also you're falling into the trap of looking at WHAT people are doing instead of HOW they are doing it.
Yes, I wasn't around. I have a family I like to spend my weekends with and new years was off for me too. Additionally I don't play on pointless days (like the ritoky lynch, it was automatic). However WHEN I was around I was super actively pushing my own things, thinking critically about the game, aggressively engaging people and in general trying to help and make my impact felt. Damdred on the other hand basically was carefully treading the outskirts of the game even when he was around. He never dove into the center of conversation etc. So yes, we were both absent, but the ways in which we did it could not have been any more different.
On January 17 2015 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I just couldn't see town palmar agreeing to lynch damdred, scumreading marv, but voting LM with marv and refusing to lynch damdred.
Say it with me 10 times:
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
I do not make associative reads
Marv could be bussing, I could be wrong on marv, who cares. It does not make me mafia in any world. And Marv should have been the lynch that day. Yes I'm a bit mad about waffling on Damdred, that's on me, sorry about that.
Half the shit this game that went wrong was because of dumb associative stuff. "Damdred is town because he pushed superbia". I had to argue with this dumbassery repeatedly through the days I tried to lynch damdred. Mafia's agenda is to literally do things that people think they wouldn't do as mafia.
I'm not trying to absolve myself of anything this game. I played badly, got myself lynched. But I don't think I should take 100% of the blame for this one. I'm like fucking nostradamus when it comes to how and when I get lynched as town.
I told you there would come a time where I had to defend myself because of some dumb accusations, and I told you to go read how I respond as town when that stuff comes up.
I'm willing to bet no one even gave the games I linked a glance.
It's a super painful process to go through. But one day people will understand that trying to read me on activity bursts or periods of inactivity is just dumb as hell. I have a job, a family and other obligations. I sometimes play interested and I sometimes don't.
Listen to what I say and how I say it. Not when I say it.
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On January 18 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. The way I see this is that you will try to manage this and get scumread for it. Then you will have to post more anyways to not get lynched. Or you will have to post more to get the lynch you want naturally. And if you do that you will have to cut all those little unimportant posts that can also show that you are town. This is not the best idea you ever had. don't you remember hogwarts? Yes, I do. But you smurfed in hogwarts which is an important difference.
it is, but i still looked extremely town regardless. so it's definitely possible.
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also ffs guys, when I call marv mafia, just lynch him.
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like it was so obvious. He'd have fucking destroyed me if he was town and I was scum.
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yeah there was no world at day 5 EoD where the alignments went
marv town
Palmar mafia
no world at all
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Palmar, I get that you don't always have time. Still this is so sad because I am positive that this game would have went really differently had you actually played when I was still alive.
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btw, wtf was Robik doing with his checks O.o
madness
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On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way.
I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv.
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Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:
- Don't voteswitch in the last few hours of the day. Have the lynch lined up at least 4 hours prior and an alternative in case the target goes balls to the walls town on us all.
- Don't fakeclaim as town. Do your best to be a target for mafia if you're vanilla. Make them fear you to protect the blues. Don't try to wifom a shot out of them because it fucks with other townies even more.
- Don't make associative reads. You do not know what the mafia wants to do, you're literally handing them weapons to use against you if you allow their actions to control your reads.
- Don't use meta unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Generally only use meta on people you know extremely well, and only trust meta when it focuses on overall style, not specific things.
There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them.
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On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv.
It actually looked nothing like townmarv 
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I think me, you, and VE have the 3 most played games here, in some order.
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yeah you're up there too, of course.
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On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv
What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
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I learned a lot from this game thanks to Palmar for letting me shadow you!
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On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
probably the thing that looked most like me in many days at any rate lol. i could see myself going after that (wrongly) as town too :<
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On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
Because by day 5 townmarv has actual reads to base things on.
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like he'd already have developed some kind of an overall feel for him, probably talked about him multiple times, then saw this and pointed it out, but also tried to fit it with the overall read that he already had.
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