Imperial Mafia - Page 507

On January 18 2015 00:34 Palmar wrote:

Because by day 5 townmarv has actual reads to base things on.

On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all.

On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all.

On January 18 2015 00:37 Palmar wrote:

Yes, didn't I try to force you into that position at one point?

On January 18 2015 00:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yeah, I think your biggest flaw (other than not pushing your suspects as strongly) as scum is clearing people too quickly, but I guess you kind of have to since that's what you do as town.

On January 18 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:

yep he has to.

Marv will should win a scumteam a game. His job is to distract town for long enough to allow his team to sweep up. Most higher profile players need to take this role because in the end it will be obvious they are mafia.

The alternative option is sooo difficult to pull off.

On January 18 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote:
Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:

• Don't voteswitch in the last few hours of the day. Have the lynch lined up at least 4 hours prior and an alternative in case the target goes balls to the walls town on us all.
  
• Don't fakeclaim as town. Do your best to be a target for mafia if you're vanilla. Make them fear you to protect the blues. Don't try to wifom a shot out of them because it fucks with other townies even more.
  
• Don't make associative reads. You do not know what the mafia wants to do, you're literally handing them weapons to use against you if you allow their actions to control your reads.
  
• Don't use meta unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Generally only use meta on people you know extremely well, and only trust meta when it focuses on overall style, not specific things.
  

There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them.

On January 18 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if I have doubts about both wagons then I WILL push the scumread I am more confident on and I don't think that is wrong at all.

On January 18 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:

Sure, but you have to understand what you're losing.

I guess the main problem is people voting too late. Like there needs to be a compelling reason to actually votswitch. None of these I listed is a hard and fast rule, the problem is that everyone thinks they're the unique snowflake the rules don't apply to.

If you use hours 36-48 to decide the actual lynch, close to 100% of the people in town get to help make that choice. if you only use hours 44-48 to do it, you're cutting off a significant portion of town.

Back in the day, late deadlines (US deadlines), were much more common than they are now. And towns would sometimes impose "soft" deadlines on themselves to make sure you include everyone in the process. Basically "we're not changing the lynch after this unless there's a massively good reason to".

On January 18 2015 01:06 justanothertownie wrote:

I somewhat disagree with point 1 but it is situational.

On January 18 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
See what happens when a bunch of baddies lynch Geript. I am accepting apologies for your stupidity now.

On January 18 2015 02:27 geript wrote:

Try again scumbag Artanis.