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On January 18 2015 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 05:28 Vivax wrote:
You know someone has a brain when he suggests we should lynch a guy with 90 % scumwinrate who's still alive at D5
QED you can see from my perspective why I can't possibly read you as town though.
And you can see from mine that the way you handled Sicklucker's claim had reasons to raise suspicion.
Plus your vote on super that didn't count when geript got lynched after you said you wouldn't switch off of him.
You set yourself up perfectly to look like scu´m after superbias flip.
Thank god we didn't shenanny my way thought cause then we would have lynched the cop. I'm giving JAT credit for that.
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Oh, and, by the way, I think town marv would have rage quit after being called scum a lot
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On January 18 2015 05:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:On January 18 2015 05:28 Vivax wrote:
You know someone has a brain when he suggests we should lynch a guy with 90 % scumwinrate who's still alive at D5
QED you can see from my perspective why I can't possibly read you as town though. And you can see from mine that the way you handled Sicklucker's claim had reasons to raise suspicion. Plus your vote on super that didn't count when geript got lynched after you said you wouldn't switch off of him. You set yourself up perfectly to look like scu´m after superbias flip. Thank god we didn't shenanny my way thought cause then we would have lynched the cop. I'm giving JAT credit for that.
when I voted on him? hmm ok
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it can raise suspicon I guess but I answered it perfectly and you just ignored it and went on to the next reason to call me scum.
You weren't objective about the game and that forced me to read you as scum
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On January 18 2015 05:33 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 05:30 Vivax wrote:
So 0/3. At least I had 1/3 before scum begulled you at EoD cause of my rl business. My e-peen wins. And now this conversation is over. i'm not getting into a contest with you about who got the most scum, scum played well and a lot of town had the game wrong. But it wasn't a case of scum beguiling me there was just no world in which I could see you as town.
That's cause you didn't bother reading me more closely. THe stuff I did during the Palmar lynch was terrible and that was enough, but more than anyone else I was trying to solve the game. Posting votecounts, trying to get people first onto you, then back onto marv. Like, at the point where I decided marv would be the better lynch and convinced artanis to vote marv with me, how could you possibly have thought that it was mafia motivation?
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Now gonna play something else. BB.
Oh and Koshi if you want a teamspeak session/videochat session about this game I'm in for it.
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On January 18 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
it can raise suspicon I guess but I answered it perfectly and you just ignored it and went on to the next reason to call me scum.
You weren't objective about the game and that forced me to read you as scum
Stop putting the blame into others play when you have read things wrong.
Vivax read could have been wrong on you but his effort was townie. And you couldn't see outside the tunnel.
A play can never force you to do something. You evaluate it wrong or right. Period.
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Palmar, my read on you wasn't actually associative. Your behaviour was weird, that was my scumread on you.
On the other hand I should have noticed that if you were scum with damdred you wouldn't act like that. You would act like marv with the "I don't know"
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On January 18 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
it can raise suspicon I guess but I answered it perfectly and you just ignored it and went on to the next reason to call me scum.
You weren't objective about the game and that forced me to read you as scum Stop putting the blame into others play when you have read things wrong. Vivax read could have been wrong on you but his effort was townie. And you couldn't see outside the tunnel. A play can never force you to do something. You evaluate it wrong or right. Period.
I'm not blaming anyone
I was saying vivax's arguments for calling me scummy were bad so I read him as mafia. It was my fault for not being more suspicous of Artanis for agreeing with the reasons.
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I didn't realise you actually think your reads are good so again that is my fault.
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On January 18 2015 05:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I didn't realise you actually think your reads are good so again that is my fault.
Oh I don't know if you're talking about me but I've ready admitted the meta case on you was weak so there's that .
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Why in God's name was I nightkilled n1?
More to come.
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Actually I'm just going to quote this post from n1:
On January 03 2015 09:05 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +Absolutely, in large part because of it. I never had a handle on much of Heavyweight as it was going on. I just got myself towncleared day 1 by being spammy and trolly and coasted until everyone else who was talking died, and I got so wrapped up in trying to be spammy and trolly and funny that I forgot about actually playing the game. I did what I could to salvage it and tried to find the mafia at the end, but I was so far behind the eight ball that it's doubtful I would have really come back to win even if the mafia team hadn't played absurdly well.
This began a decline in my online town play with some egregiously disastrous mislynches I drove and mafia I defended, because I took the wrong lessons from the game. Here's what I should have learned from it and did learn after having another disastrous performance recently in my Facebook group: - I was not engaged enough in digging into the content of posts. I got away from asking questions and following up on things and found myself mostly sheeping things that sounded good late in phases. On the odd occasion I was questioned about things I found myself unable to articulate convincingly why I believed certain things I did. I've tried to refocus myself toward more pointed questioning, and I hope it's shown in some of my interrogating this game. - I was too engaged with the game in terms of time. I averaged a post every 15 minutes for the entire span of the game. That's fucking ridiculous. I got obsessive with the game and checked it nearly every waking hour I had. When you work overnights with an Internet connection, as I did back then, that's a lot of waking hours. I spammed a bunch and made the thread shitty to read and when I did try to follow up on something (ex: stupid tunnels on Holyflare and marv), I never gave myself a chance to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. You can't genuinely look at something with a fresh set of eyes when you're checking the game every 2 hours. Combined with working another job where I can't readily access the game, one thing I've done differently this game is force myself to be away from the thread at times, so that I can give myself a reset and stop myself from chasing my tail. It's made keeping up a little difficult because there's a lot of posts in this game, but I'm doing what I can. - I got too paranoid about my townreads. My constant back-and-forth about Holyflare being town then Holyflare being mafia etc. was one example. I don't talk about townreads as much because I don't really see the need to do so, but where I have come around to townreading people, like Doc for example, I'm making myself trust the read even if there's a voice in the back of my head casting doubt on it. I've mislynched out of paranoia too many townies who I obviously and correctly townread, and I've decided that plays like your play in WHC, where I get totally bamboozled, are too few and far between to be worth worrying about. - Time. That was five months ago. I feel like I've grown a lot personally, become a lot more mindful, etc. etc. I could go on here but five months is a long time for a 20-something in terms of maturity. Show nested quote +I think that hit the high points, if you care to hear more I can go dig up FB chats from the past 2 weeks and talk more about individual happenings but I think this should suffice.
I think a lot of town's problems resulted from there being entirely too damn much talking going on. This game was just shy of 10,000 posts. You guys realize that's a ridiculous amount of talking, right? The thread was a nightmare to keep up with, as a townie. Confession time, I skipped whole pages to stay atop of what was going on while I was alive and probably would have had at best 75% of the game read had I survived to the end.
I think a lot of players in this game would have benefited from forcing themselves to take time off from thinking about the game and revisiting it after a break. When you're constantly engaged with a thread as active as a 24-hr news network, your capacity to think strategically flatlines. You end up placing too much importance on the most recent things that happen because your brain simply isn't fit to process all the information being thrown at it - to say nothing of being able to take meaningful, deliberate action after processing it.
Some advice I've learned from this game (and the ones I made mention of in the post I'm quoting) which I think others would also find beneficial:
- It's okay not to have all the answers. In fact, you're better off being okay with not having all or even any answers than you are if you go berserk on whatever your best lead of the moment is.
- Make yourself take breaks. Play a video game, go for a walk with your dog, don't check in all the time at work, don't stay up past a reasonable bedtime to play the game (EOD excepted). No matter how good you think you are, you will have ideas that are wrong more than you'll have ideas that are right, and sometimes it's as simple as looking at an idea after a break to figure out the difference.
- Read more and post less! I mean it, it's that simple. Read Ver's guide on how to improve. You don't have to have 10 pages of filter per day to be an effective townie. In fact, you probably hurt your ability to be one when you start saying that much stuff, because there are diminishing returns to posting, as with everything in life.
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On January 18 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote:Actually I'm just going to quote this post from n1: Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 09:05 Eden1892 wrote:Absolutely, in large part because of it. I never had a handle on much of Heavyweight as it was going on. I just got myself towncleared day 1 by being spammy and trolly and coasted until everyone else who was talking died, and I got so wrapped up in trying to be spammy and trolly and funny that I forgot about actually playing the game. I did what I could to salvage it and tried to find the mafia at the end, but I was so far behind the eight ball that it's doubtful I would have really come back to win even if the mafia team hadn't played absurdly well.
This began a decline in my online town play with some egregiously disastrous mislynches I drove and mafia I defended, because I took the wrong lessons from the game. Here's what I should have learned from it and did learn after having another disastrous performance recently in my Facebook group: - I was not engaged enough in digging into the content of posts. I got away from asking questions and following up on things and found myself mostly sheeping things that sounded good late in phases. On the odd occasion I was questioned about things I found myself unable to articulate convincingly why I believed certain things I did. I've tried to refocus myself toward more pointed questioning, and I hope it's shown in some of my interrogating this game. - I was too engaged with the game in terms of time. I averaged a post every 15 minutes for the entire span of the game. That's fucking ridiculous. I got obsessive with the game and checked it nearly every waking hour I had. When you work overnights with an Internet connection, as I did back then, that's a lot of waking hours. I spammed a bunch and made the thread shitty to read and when I did try to follow up on something (ex: stupid tunnels on Holyflare and marv), I never gave myself a chance to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. You can't genuinely look at something with a fresh set of eyes when you're checking the game every 2 hours. Combined with working another job where I can't readily access the game, one thing I've done differently this game is force myself to be away from the thread at times, so that I can give myself a reset and stop myself from chasing my tail. It's made keeping up a little difficult because there's a lot of posts in this game, but I'm doing what I can. - I got too paranoid about my townreads. My constant back-and-forth about Holyflare being town then Holyflare being mafia etc. was one example. I don't talk about townreads as much because I don't really see the need to do so, but where I have come around to townreading people, like Doc for example, I'm making myself trust the read even if there's a voice in the back of my head casting doubt on it. I've mislynched out of paranoia too many townies who I obviously and correctly townread, and I've decided that plays like your play in WHC, where I get totally bamboozled, are too few and far between to be worth worrying about. - Time. That was five months ago. I feel like I've grown a lot personally, become a lot more mindful, etc. etc. I could go on here but five months is a long time for a 20-something in terms of maturity. I think that hit the high points, if you care to hear more I can go dig up FB chats from the past 2 weeks and talk more about individual happenings but I think this should suffice. I think a lot of town's problems resulted from there being entirely too damn much talking going on. This game was just shy of 10,000 posts. You guys realize that's a ridiculous amount of talking, right? The thread was a nightmare to keep up with, as a townie. Confession time, I skipped whole pages to stay atop of what was going on while I was alive and probably would have had at best 75% of the game read had I survived to the end. I think a lot of players in this game would have benefited from forcing themselves to take time off from thinking about the game and revisiting it after a break. When you're constantly engaged with a thread as active as a 24-hr news network, your capacity to think strategically flatlines. You end up placing too much importance on the most recent things that happen because your brain simply isn't fit to process all the information being thrown at it - to say nothing of being able to take meaningful, deliberate action after processing it. Some advice I've learned from this game (and the ones I made mention of in the post I'm quoting) which I think others would also find beneficial: - It's okay not to have all the answers. In fact, you're better off being okay with not having all or even any answers than you are if you go berserk on whatever your best lead of the moment is. - Make yourself take breaks. Play a video game, go for a walk with your dog, don't check in all the time at work, don't stay up past a reasonable bedtime to play the game (EOD excepted). No matter how good you think you are, you will have ideas that are wrong more than you'll have ideas that are right, and sometimes it's as simple as looking at an idea after a break to figure out the difference. - Read more and post less! I mean it, it's that simple. Read Ver's guide on how to improve. You don't have to have 10 pages of filter per day to be an effective townie. In fact, you probably hurt your ability to be one when you start saying that much stuff, because there are diminishing returns to posting, as with everything in life.
But Sson, the slam does not sleep!
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Yeah I should
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Thanks to all the hosts for hosting and modding the game
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Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty
I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game.
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On January 18 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty
I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game.
it was a good game, scum played really well that's why they won.
I hope you or vivax weren't offended, I was just explaining why I couldn't see past the two of you as scum.
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GB, I felt the biggest problem you and Vivax had was that you tended to forget everything that made someone town when you investigated why someone was scum. It happened with both Palmar and Kelsier. Kelsier was universally townread earlier in the game and that was because he was clearly pushing the right things. When you two went back and digged into the start of the game, you had a theory that you wanted to prove rather than check if it was correct. When you're looking to prove someone is scum rather than find out their alignment, you can always find something to incriminate them. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture.
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I'm upset. I called out the play and then just tr'ed all the scum. Vivax, I'm disappointed in you though. You played that one day so poorly 
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On January 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty
I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game. it was a good game, scum played really well that's why they won. I hope you or vivax weren't offended, I was just explaining why I couldn't see past the two of you as scum.
Hahaha relax mate, even Robik couldn't offend me properly. I'm not one to be that easily offended.
And I wasn't talking about the game per se. Just and overall thought.
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