EPTOn January 08 2015 20:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Palmar do you still think damdred is mafia?
Palmar do you still think damdred is mafia?
Yes.
And I don't think his vote on superbia on day 2 says much about him.
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Yes. And I don't think his vote on superbia on day 2 says much about him. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:13 KelsierSC wrote: so you replace in and dont read the thread yay I haven't read half the thread and been here since day 1. And anyone claiming to have actually read ever page attentively is full of shit. | ||
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So yes, I'm putting him firmly in the townpile. | ||
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On January 08 2015 22:11 Vivax wrote: Palmar I'm wondering. You were into a seemingly zero fucks given attitude D1 and D2, posting things that looked like weird trap plays. Now that basically scum has been lynched and some people start pointing to you, and during D3, you went into serious mode posting lists and actually talking in a way that makes everybody understands you. What changed during D3 for you to switch into that mode, except that town was heading for a scum lynch? Less players left in the game, felt like starting to read filters wouldn't be as much of a giant barrier to participating. And I think I was fairly successful. I know I didn't end up really reading superbia or ritoky as I mentioned doing but the cop claim came out and people were being dumb so I felt like I had to intervene. On day 2 I just wanted to lynch geript. I'm still sort of okay with lynching geript. Imma call him bad postgame for getting lynched and blame it all on him. Like I felt that I did work on day 1, that then got stalled by the voteswitch on to batsnacks, and I basically just had to wait until I reaped the reward from that work (lynching geript). Sure I was wrong, but that's not the important part. After seeing I was wrong I basically walked away for a bit because it's time to rethink. Whatever I posted on day 2 was mostly just opportunistic stuff. pot shots at marv etc, some random thoughts. | ||
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On January 08 2015 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: Marv is town, Vivax. I've just realised that. He isn't dying tonight because mafia wants to WIFOM the shit out of him. They want you to exactly think that he is scum because he is still alive. That's why he won't die tonight, and DP will I would kinda expect marv to die if he's town. But I'm not gonna use that against him tomorrow because well, saying it and then trying to call him scum when it doesn't happen is dumb. But yes, I am a potential mislynch for mafia at this point in the game. If marv is town, mafia knows he won't get lynched tomorrow, and better than anyone else in the game, he'll be able to clear me. So keeping a town-marv alive potentially clears two people. | ||
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*pats the mafia* | ||
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On January 09 2015 01:15 IAmRobik wrote: go through his filter and show me why he's mafia. I don't have to right now. There's plenty of time, probably a few days until it actually matters. Also, I went through damdred's filter and showed you why he is mafia, but you cleared him for random vote on a scumbuddy at some point. | ||
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On January 09 2015 01:19 IAmRobik wrote: I did your work for you palmar. Go find another player to call scum Like it doesn't even matter man. Tomorrow we lynch ritoky. If he is not mafia you are confirmed mafia. However, he is probably mafia. Also the best argument against kelsiersc being mafia is his post towards ritoky yesterday "give us your checks" or whatever (this is based on ritoky flipping scum). It's a sort of strange post to make towards a scumfriend if the scumfriend is then going to claim. Once we clear ritoky up, the next day I will probably be pushing for a damdred lynch, and some people will push for my lynch, unless new evidence presents itself. During that day I will most likely clear myself (or well, depending on how strong the mistrust is, get lynched anyway). I won't have time to read more filters today, I might do it tomorrow. As for what I currently think of the players and why (in very short terms): DrH/DP - Town (Robik's check + DP's change of mind as I explained + DrH's early Chyz push). GB - Town (based on my readthrough of his filter yesterday) Robik - Town (based on reasonable response to ritoky's claim + various points throughout the game. I remember agreeing on DrH back on day 1). Artanis - slight Town (based on day 1 and not much else. I think I liked his treatment of Koshi and Chyz) sicklucker - slight Town (shenanigans with claim. don't think he does that as mafia) Laz0r - null (but assuming damdred is mafia, probably town because of damdy's "push" on day 1.) marv - null (has done some whacky things, but also reasonable at times. It's a big problem that he doesn't have many concrete reads, town or scum, or at least that's what it feels like). chez - null (who knows...) ksc - null (calls me mafia and doesn't have any real good townie points, but I guess my last point is sorta good, so null rather than scumlean) ritoky - scum (claim is hard to believe, has been ccd, checks hard to believe, shitty breadcrumbing) damdred - scum (based on readthrough, careful wording, weak pushes, shitty questions etc) So yes, it's likely that 2/4 in the bottom are mafia, or well, I tend to miss a mafia or two. Chez is a wildcard. I did like Kelsier early so maybe I should not call him mafia. I remember having him as one of my strongest townreads at some point in day1/night1. But I'd have to go back and figure out why, because some of it may be due to him agreeing on geript with me. | ||
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Well he's in the scum section. | ||
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On January 09 2015 01:42 KelsierSC wrote: if that is the best argument against me then I am not too worried. It's the best argument for you being town. also, me forgetting vivax = confirmed town. if I am his scumbuddy then I don't forget him if I am mafia and he is town, he's a very potential mislynch and I don't forget him. So I must be town qed. | ||
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Here's some preparation material: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?user=Palmar Above are links to my filters in three games in 2014 where I got lynched as town because of fear/lynch inertia. If you want comparison, here are the last two games I got lynched as mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia?user=Palmar There's nothing to do today so anyone who actually thinks they're going to lynch me needs to read this (assuming they're town, of course). The parts I specifically want you to pay attention to is how I act when I get under pressure of being lynched. This is vitally important because the easiest way to determine my alignment is to try to lynch me. Assuming I am close to a computer enough to actually post to defend myself, I always will defend myself, because I don't like getting lynched as town. Reading up on the meta is a good first step in not mislynching me. I am not going to go all out today because it requires effort and I'd rather have energy when it actually matters. The way I see this game we now have ritoky as confirmed mafia, damdred as likely second one, and pending further reading maybe vivax too. And for the love of god, listen to marv. If he is mafia he will say I'm town because that's how it works, but more importantly, if he is town, he will get my alignment right. It is very, very likely that he already highly suspect I'm town, and it will only get confirmed when people try to lynch me. Also, just to be clear, I'm sort of looking forward to the big day. It's always exciting to see how and why people push me. I , for example, have no idea why sl thinks I'm mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2015 05:18 marvellosity wrote: wasn't quite my question actually he started pushing for damdred before the cop business. thinking about it, i really dislike how he self-characterised his play as "bad" this game, like he said he was having a bad game. He's not having a bad game, he's having a game where he's not tried to play, the two aren't the same. being wrong on day 1 = bad game for me. | ||
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On January 12 2015 19:35 marvellosity wrote: hey sl. Kill Plam with me? Should be more game-solvey than voting Vivax right now. ##Vote: Palmar That's not how it works marv. And it's strange that you don't know it. You have to actually say why I am mafia. | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Your case on GB was most curious Don't know what you mean by curious. It's super townie if you know how brains work. If I am mafia, I already know GB's alignment, so why would I bother with the whole "start out piling some scum points on him, pretend to read more, then completely flip my conclusion and call him town". Like I'm not good enough at scum to do that. Now obviously you can argue this, but I'd think that because I have perfect information as mafia, I wouldn't have bothered with the whole changing my mind in the middle of the post/filter read. I think I'd rather have tried to strengthen whichever conclusion I wanted to reach by mostly citing examples pointing in that one direction. Stopping mid-filter when I feel confident he's town after questioning some of his early stuff, is something not many mafia would do. On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And your case against Damdred dubious What do you think of Damdred? Do you disagree that he's played this game very much in the background? He's not taken any kind of a leadership role in town and even now, with just a handful of players remaining, almost nothing he has written really stands out. Sure, voting superbia on day 2 builds the case for him being town somewhat (also, remember, I didn't know superbia was mafia when I wrote my stuff on Damdred, as he hadn't flipped). But it all depends on whether or not we think superbia actually had a real chance to die that day. Also, I cba checking, but was geript firmly in the lead? or was Vivax right there? We may have to check that. On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town So what? Being wrong on my first target happens all the time. Weren't you on his wagon too? I made a case, I believed in it, geript's non-response made me want to go through with it. Do you doubt that I believed geript was mafia? Or at least he had a good chance of being one? On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What have you done this game that hasn't made us frown? On December 31 2014 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar confirmed town for making me laugh. I also kinda agree that we haven't really had a Geript moment of insight yet, which reminds me a bit of LXI where he just waddled through. I would like to hear Geript's dumb reasons for considering Dr.Helvetica town. 100% defense. Confirmed town. | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:19 sicklucker wrote: Ok palmer and its a big one. In a 366 page game not one post you made has helped us find scum. This makes you scum 1st of all, read my filter. There's a ton of reads in there. And I got geript lynched. I mean, he turned out to be town, but at least I did something. What have you done? | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar, you were very clear in that Marv should townread you after your defense. What meta read do you believe he has on you and why did you say he should already have a townread on you to begin with? Also, you stated before that Marv was 100% scum, then you said later that Marv should read you as town whether he's town or scum implying that you do in fact doubt your read on him. Why and where did that happen? Marv is the big x factor this game. At 2-3 occasions I've basically jumped up "aha, marv must be mafia", but then he keeps being reasonable and I can't convince myself he's 100% mafia. Like he does some weird things, but comes back to sound reasonable again. He reacted almost exactly the way I did to the ritoky claim (ie: we get the counterclaim, we lynch whoever is less believable). The last time I started thinking he might be town was when he posted this: On January 08 2015 20:10 marvellosity wrote: this post is reasonable. I can't remember who it was but there was a game recently where someone made this long, terrible case on me, quoting a bunch of posts where i'm umming and ahhing. Because it's 100% true, it's a very reasonable post by me, and marv takes it as such. The only sort-of-weird thing is that DP was much quicker to pick up on how amazing that post was than marv, which might mean marv was parroting him, might mean MARV NOT READ SO GOOD TAKE TIME, or maybe he just wasn't around. But yeah, I see no scenario, even if I'm cop checked green that I'm leading a lynch on marv today. I think, by far, the best target is Damdred, and I have to read Vivax and LM. I keep forgetting LM actually exists, which sometimes means people are mafia. | ||
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