TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

On December 08 2014 03:29 batsnacks wrote:
I have a 200 word essay due in 9 days so idk how active I can be... please ignore me if I am afk.

On December 08 2014 17:48 Palmar wrote:


I find the word lynch offensive too after a certain Marshawn violated my Eagles

On December 09 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Alright, so here is how it goes boys (and possible other girls?).

You should be glad that I was rerolled into the game! You know why? Because I am amazing, and will lead town to an unbeatable victory!

That being said. RNG is absolutely terrible. If you can't scum hunt, you don't belong in my game

However, Templar is more likely town for that nonsense.
Also, I have a hot date in an hour, and prob won't be back on again until the morning, so let's make some progress!

On December 09 2014 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
I just going to say let's figure out who can ruin Christmas the most :O Btw I will not be here from 5:30 to 8:15ish but when I do return I will give reads if there is any at the time!

On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.

RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.

On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.

On December 09 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Wait, did Ritoky just call me top town?

Either hell froze over, or Ritoky is mafia XD

On December 09 2014 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:

What protection does this offer? I have sisters would think I would know this

On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.

Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer

On December 09 2014 09:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Bats is town

On December 09 2014 09:35 Damdred wrote:


This post is bad, bats is probably scum

On December 09 2014 09:40 The_Templar wrote:

Yes, because I did exactly the same thing in literally every game I play. That clearly makes me a Naughty person.

There is plenty of information in that fluff.

Before complaining that I'm not providing alignment-indicative information, consider reading the thread more carefully.

On December 09 2014 09:49 Damdred wrote:


So ritoky, what do you think about what vivax said about you? Why aren't you pushing your scum reads really?

On December 09 2014 09:51 The_Templar wrote:

Why is the fact that GlowingBear is criticizing me important?
Why do I seem too defensive?
My second post (the longest one) in the Santa vein has several people that looked peculiar (kita, frog, ninjabunnies). I generally do not have a lot of reads.

On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:

I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's.
idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break
I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.

On December 09 2014 10:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Who has slam as semi/tentative/half chub town.

nb, dam... Who else

On December 09 2014 10:17 rsoultin wrote:


Why?

And what does Kelsier think of slam?

On December 09 2014 09:52 ritoky wrote:


don't have any yet. no1 has done anything blatantly strange imo, and that's where my day 1 scum reads come from.

on another note, i think slam is like totally town. after seeing him as scum for the first time last game, he is nothing like he was.

On December 09 2014 10:20 Fecalfeast wrote:

I think slam seems the exact same in every game. Any tips for reading him?

On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.

On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:


##vote ObiWanShinobi

Oh crap. As in that post was complete crap.

On December 09 2014 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way guys the votes go in the voting thread silly people
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472995-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells-voting-thread

On December 09 2014 16:31 kushm4sta wrote:
wassup bros

On December 09 2014 18:04 Fecalfeast wrote:

null, why?

On December 09 2014 17:58 kushm4sta wrote:
k ill trust whoever said scrooge should claim because that's the easier option for me.

im scrooge.

On December 09 2014 19:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Haha i hadn't read your post ritoky go me. Why do you care so much what i read you?

On December 09 2014 22:06 Half the Sky wrote:


The only two possible reasons are that:

1) He is Scrooge and somehow he failed to see Kelsier's second post about claiming Scrooge, an oversight on his part.
2) He's not Scrooge and trying to distract scum but I don't see how scum would fall for something like this.

Neither of which seems to me would get him anywhere. But that's just my opinion unless I'm overlooking something.

On December 09 2014 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:

OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone.
I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all.
sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best.
Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.

On December 09 2014 22:13 Half the Sky wrote:


I don't know that he's town, but I also don't know or think that scum would roleclaim this early on in the game. I would think it's too dangerous for them to do so. Additionally, the Kush I recall from last game makes these sporadic posts for whatever reason and he was town last time, so I am using meta here.

On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:

Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.

On December 09 2014 22:42 Half the Sky wrote:


Yes, I do.

My town reads seem very straightforward from everyone I've evaluated last night: Holyflare, Rasputin (rsoultin), Damdred, kitaman27 (who seems to be picking apart things as he should), you also appear to be doing the same atm.

Null - Froggy (one post discussing policy and that's it), Bats (retracted his previous argument as others had the same opinion), Vivax (talking about Froggy)

Null leaning scum - OWS - don't understand his posts, the SL lynch posts I believe were because SL was posting one-liner fluff but after that it was all one word posts.

Scum - 27NB and Kush for reasons I've explained.

I have to look into GlowingBear and Templar and a few others more. LS was null prior to his latest post updated with reads.

On December 10 2014 05:29 Damdred wrote:
As for ritoky (which I assume is what HF asked me about) There are a few weird things in his filter that bug me. He makes mention of several scummy things in his filter but never really pushes any of it or tries to push the thread when hes in it. The sole exception to this is his yelling at LS for using one of the ways hes learned to read people early. And scum reading him for it, this does not make sense of ritoky and feels like he just found an easy target to rest on instead of pushing on other higher profile people.

Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter.

On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.

On December 10 2014 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
300posts to read after sleeping. Can someone give me the death present please?

On December 10 2014 04:36 Fecalfeast wrote:


See this is something i can get behind. My power is out so i am phone but would rather not waste all my battery going back and actually reading instead of skimming.

Hope this makes people mad!

On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's.
idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break
I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.

On December 09 2014 15:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kit said 27NB is the most scummy 4 hours in and voted her.

Seems ok to me

On December 10 2014 06:40 Xatalos wrote:
Though your last point isn't really accurate. FF was specifically asked to give his opinion on kita's vote. It's not like he's giving kita a town pass for the day.

On December 10 2014 06:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry.

On December 10 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote:
Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it.
Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things.

Your case reads so melodramatic.

On December 10 2014 06:52 kitaman27 wrote:


^ Agreed.

On December 10 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:


where do i exaggerate? please inform me.

why if ff town in any way?

On December 10 2014 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:

Is it scum, though? I /obsed this thread because I knew I wouldn't be happy with certain roles but was told it would be a low content game and not to worry about lurking.

On December 10 2014 07:03 Damdred wrote:
Anti town is not scrum however.

And to answer before question, why focus on ff or ls, for instance instead of kits, vivax could be pressured by you as your times in thread have been close but ignoring has happened a bit.

Your case is interesting xata pointed out something good and lack of strong stances isn't crummy alone kita

On December 10 2014 07:30 Damdred wrote:
You called groggy out on his post haven't even responded to the other things he's said that evaporated into the air.

Light scrum read on 27nb I believe (could be wrong) you haven't really mentioned her return or subsequent lurking since.

We both know how vivax plays scrum he deserves pressure for being so ask...

You just seem to gravitate towards the easy targets and not sticking your hand into any other issues that are up which is weird for you since generally you are involved in everything as town.

On December 10 2014 08:14 Damdred wrote:
I will give you, your last point I do realize and know it's true.

Yea auto correct got me. However there wasn't much of a push by you.

I am struggling with you rit, I don't think you should probably be lynched your at least trying and giving answers.

On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
rasputin, null/scum: His filter has a lot of questioning other people's logic and poking at people who aren't fighting back. His push on OWS and saying the thread should back off HTS/27NB+ Show Spoiler + makes me think if one of HTS/27NB are scum, so is rasputin. I also dislike his telling LS not to read into meta like doing so is somehow anti-town
+ Show Spoiler +

froggy, null: less than a page including pregame, his second post in-game is 20 hours after his first and is still talking about policy lynches and explaining his first post. Then makes an excuse to AFK again even though multiple people are on him. Not a lot to go on unless 27NB flips since she was defending him.

Obi, scum/null: Lurker obi is still scary to me and most of his filter so far can be summed up as OMGUS with a hint of random 'pressure'

batsnacks, ???: He makes a vote on templar for not sticking to his RNG and calls him out for saying it's silly when he started it. He says HTS made a contradiction too, but when he gets asked why he ninjavoted bunnies he says
+ Show Spoiler +
So he's not a fan of useless discussion? What about all the useless shit lian posted? I'm not sure where batsnacks' head is at he makes multiple posts on why HTS is contradictory but when HF tells him no all he says is 'true that' and votes 27NB again. Then asking for a list post? probably null/scum as well but I don't know.

ritoky, mad: His first page is a lot of one-liners and retorts but the second I show I haven't been reading his posts he jumps on me like I insulted his mother. Not sure if that's alignment indicative but it sure is funny.

LoneMeow, town: His only page of filter has more content than most of the people I have checked so far, he explains his reads and asks decent questions. ezpz townread for me

Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum.

On December 10 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky I'm pretty sure someone asked FF for reads on those specific people.

On December 10 2014 08:43 batsnacks wrote:


Maybe you could add to your case that FF responding to kitaman in the way he did is not consistent with his "idgaf" attitude toward others. If FF doesn't have strong reads, wouldn't it be more consistent of him to just say "fuck off" rather than spending so much time writing weak reads?

On December 10 2014 08:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I don't really understand how I was contradicting myself, I think I made myself perfectly clear, and HF was just trying to rip anything apart he could find.

All I can do now from here on out is try to convince you all that I town.

But it looks like I might have to claim just to stay alive. Meh.

On December 10 2014 08:54 batsnacks wrote:


That first sentence contradicts the rest of the sentences I think. Why is it more townie of him to respond directly to kita and not to you again?

I put FF on my no lynch list because I remember pretty much all his posts and I think the less memorable people are better to focus on right now.

On December 10 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:

Read his filter and convince me he is town

On December 10 2014 09:12 ritoky wrote:


i was the top proponent of his lynch and he has moved back toward null for me because:

a) he says he is a role. #%##But he knows he has been lynches as a role so others from those games will lend weight to such claims. WIFOM.


b) he vehemently defends his meta reads as legitimate even in the face of everyone calling them terrible. #^#%} THIS IS MOAR WIFOM YESSSS
c) he responded directly to almost every question and accusation tossed at him. #^}%%# townie points I guess but is it really alignment indicative? Don't you have to defend as scum too?

... WIFOM!!
d) ff is worse. #%%#% prove this

i wouldn't be terribly opposed to going back on him, but ff is way worse.

On December 10 2014 09:22 Fecalfeast wrote:

Aww I thought you'd get more upset at him calling you sexist. I want more drama.

Guess I have to start it myself. Ritoky is tunneling me because I am ezpz push. I played this exact way in MSPAINT ritoky, except I think I was even more useless there. If ritoky gets his wish and everyone hops on the fecalfeast train all he has to say after I flip town is "omg he played so bad you can't blame me for thinking he's scum" seems like a good mafia play to me


##vote ritoky

On December 11 2014 03:06 KelsierSC wrote:

Rit and OWS have both done absolutely nothing. OWS just sheeps a read, I can't remember one significant thing rit has done. if someone wants to elaborate on a scum case or town case for these people I will listen and gladly vote.

On December 09 2014 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
guna add rit to my town circle, his read on ls was pretty spot on and he #trapped ff

On December 11 2014 11:09 Trfel wrote:
If you don't mind, can you point me to the reasons why other people think he is scum?

On December 11 2014 11:22 batsnacks wrote:


"you're doing town things"

but you don't town read him for doing those things?

Also he voted nb why would he be angry?

On December 11 2014 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
Mrt. That was pretty predictable. Still, I've yet to play a game with a Day 1 scum lynch so...

On December 11 2014 11:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, please, tell me you aren't mafia.

On December 11 2014 11:37 GlowingBear wrote:


Nope! Do you think I am?

On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about

On December 11 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Well, if you think I am, you may be.

Post restrictions are for cycles or for day times?

On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia

On December 11 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:


i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl

On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date

On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:


He attacked marv last game



Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left

Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads

On December 11 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
why the fuck did everyone dismiss my oats point btw? "I dunno how to read oats he just bad" is not a good reason at all and none of the vets even bothered to look at it and instead started pushing other nonsense.

go read it here: click me!

also now that bunnies actually said her claim wasn't a claim that's just really fucking disingenuous and scummy, her kelsier points weren't very good at all and i don't like that people took her "iffy" and "people to look at" claims as backwards because iffy means you have suspicion and to look at means null but somehow you all believe it's the other way around

there's also what kita said which was very good, she's only stuck at her "people" to look at really as scum reads the entirety of the cycle and hasn't paticularly changed, even on me lol -.- BASED ON MY FIRST POST???? Not to mention her hard on for kelsier that hasn't disappeared ever an on a "reread" of the thread had absolutely no new information whatsoever and still was going on about her list post and her reads only from that list post



literally says that i'm disliked MORE than someone with 4 posts based on my entrance post but also liked now too? kind of a waste and pretty disingenuous to still be reading me based on my first post in an entirety of filter, not to mention there's a shit town of wasted filler posts in between each of her posts like "oh does anyone else read sickluckers name differently"

people should be still on her



anyway i realised i actually have quite a few posts for up to deadline so that's cool and i'm super ill so will probably rest after it

On December 11 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:


not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh

she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?


naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv

On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.

On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:


So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness)

I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead.

On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.

Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.

On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:


The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.

It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.

On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:


It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives.
I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town.

I can never see town doing that.

On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill

On December 12 2014 08:44 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky what about your present.

Also I'd like you to answer to kita's points post-his-death. I'll try to carry on what the dead guys couldn't.

On December 12 2014 10:12 sicklucker wrote:


Then why claim? This is why im pressuring. Im not looking for the third present whos smart enough to keep that a secret which is what ritoky should have done. Im asking why the suspicious guy claimed for no reason.

On December 12 2014 10:14 sicklucker wrote:
Like these presents are super valuable now that the death present is probably gone with dandred. Their basically are best roles left besides santa. And He just comes out and says it? Hes either being a huge donkey or hes mafia.

On December 12 2014 10:36 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, you misunderstood. Ritoky used HF's play in Hearthstone Mafia as a valid comparison for scumlisting HF. The point was on HF's gameplay, not Ritoky's.

I am not using meta to scumread Ritoky. I am reading Ritoky's filter and seeing holes in his argument against HF.

On December 12 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote:


Here's an exercise you MUST do to show that you're actually not full of shit.

Prove to me/everyone that what I've done "behind the scenes" is anything like I've done in this actual game. There's a whole mason chat for you to quote. PROVE that this game is exactly like hearthstone mafia and I'm such an easy read. SHOW comparisons or just continue to dwindle into obscurity and get lynched.

All you've done so far is post contradictions about my scum meta being calm yet saying how I fooled you in hearthstone even though you had the same meta read there.

On November 02 2014 15:25 Holyflare wrote:


No I'm pushing something multiple people agreed with and wondering why you were the only person to not agree with it and every response you leave just leaves more holes and question marks.

Like there's quite literally no reason to say damd is a bad lynch unless you have a reason to not lynch him and his posts were town motivated. As it stands you have given NO town motivation to lie about reads and there is only scum motivation so you calling it bad is totally unjustified, scummy because it looks like tmi and worse now that you have "explained".

We don't have to talk about it more because it's quite evident that you're mafia. Feel free to bring up a new useful subject to talk about though instead of complaining how boring this is and asking me to drop talking about it.

On November 02 2014 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
Just go away then your defence was a waste and you criticise bh for having no elaboration when your only semi read on bh contains no read of his filter and isn't properly elaborated because of that. So you pretty much have no real scum read

On November 02 2014 16:06 Holyflare wrote:


If damd hadn't have extended this day you would have gone into n1 with a defence of someone out of the blue that looked scummy (your reasons for the defence make no sense and you even retroactively defended him by saying he posted his reads that's why he wasn't scummy even though we're talking about before he posted them) and having a scum read on bh which is factually incorrect and is contained in like 3 lines of 1 post. Oh also town reads on me and oats for really silly reasons.

You think that's enough? 0 scum reads (you didn't even read bh's filter) and 2 mediocre town reads based on 1 post a few hours into the game??? Really?

On November 02 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote:
But no super town hero obi berates us all for "misreading" him based on that

On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:




That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently.

On December 12 2014 11:06 sicklucker wrote:


No I said your excuse was really bad and I told you the death present has already been used so its even worse.

On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.

On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.

On December 12 2014 11:14 Holyflare wrote:


My emotional state in a game isn't related to my alignment at all. You also criticised me of not being salty and pushing people for bad votes right after i was criticising people for bad votes so your whole point is baseless.

I have literally no idea how you can even have this read at all. These games are not alike in the slightest. Like just LAST game i was scum read for not giving a shit about the lynch/not pushing who i thought was scum at deadline. Guess who pushed that? Mafia geript. Guess what I was? Town



Gg get rekt

##vote ritoky

On December 12 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
Game before that then. Obviously not a game where what I say isn't what's happening -.-

I already explained how it's not the same at all. Your point 2 i already explained means nothing because I do it as town and literally gave an example which you just dismissed to talk about me being angry and this game I'm restricted to 4 pages max a cycle which makes gameplay totally different. If your meta doesn't carry over at all its not an alignment indicative meta. I don't understand how you can continue to push/believe this at all when presented with overwhelming evidence from not only me but multiple people saying otherwise unless you are mafia.

It feels like what you quoted of me doing to obi in that mafia game is what you're trying and failing to do to me. You have something that looks scummy to you and you stick to it like a dog as your only proper read because it looks like you're contributing etc.

All I can say is that you're pushing the wrong guy and I suggest you try and contribute elsewhere as people I'm sure are absolutely sick of you pressing the same meta and if they agreed they would have already said so. Do something else with you limited post counts because all your reasoning is out there now and you are wasting mine quite successfully.

On December 11 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
Finished Counting For Today

ritoky (1): kushm4sta
27ninjabunnies (11): The_Templar, Holyflare, batsnacks, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Koshi, Xatalos, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
GlowingBear (1): Damdred
Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (3): 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, rsoultin
froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky

Not Voting (0):

27ninjabunnies was lynched!

On December 12 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no it was last game. Russian mini. Fu ritoky

On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.

On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.

On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.

On December 12 2014 12:23 liancourt wrote:
is ritoky still sore about that hearthstone game?

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore

Let it go, let it go
Turn away and try reading someone else
I don't care
what you're going to say
Let the ritoky rage on.
The HF never bothered me anyway

On December 12 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.

On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:


The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either:

Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC

Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA

Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA

Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role

And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.

On December 12 2014 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
No, if I'm being completely honest, I fully believe that you never opened it.

Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible.

I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked.

Yolo.

On December 12 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote:

The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight.

On December 12 2014 12:57 sicklucker wrote:
So ritoky I assumed you opened it? Is this true? If not you can just pass it off and we can pretend this is all a bad dream.

On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:


I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town.

There's also this:




He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation.

##Vote: Fecalfeast

On December 11 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
It'd be playing against win-con to not at least give it the ol' college try.


So I didn't reasses the situation because my vote on 27NB was a sheep vote anyway. All I want to do is sheep because I can't be assed to read the thread properly one time, let alone over again, to form a good read. I like vote logic and meta reads and I've not played with half the people in this game before. I play the role of useful idiot as town and I'm not about to deviate from that.

That said, I would love to shennanigan onto kush again. Worked once when he lurked all day!

On December 11 2014 11:12 ritoky wrote:
work op, wait what.....





what happened to that read?

you posted my name a total 0 times in your entire filter between when you made a read of me as town for making a good read on LS and trapping ff, WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM FOR MY REASONS; and then all of the sudden i am scum. because apparently i haven't done anything all game...yet in your filter you like what i did? you don't even mention me in the little blurb, i am just paired with OWS and you talk about OWS. like why am i even in this read? especially when it is contrary to what you previously said.

kels just seems like he changed his read because of thread sentiment, not because he actually believes it; hell he doesn't even try to justify the terrible read because he knows it is so terrible. this is not a read town makes at all, he is probably mafia.

On December 11 2014 03:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't know how you guys expect to get anything done if you don't sheep.

That's how you make lynches happen.

@kita: I don't really feel particularly strongly about bunnies either way. I think Koshi really hit a nail on the head when he asked if we could produce a towncase on her, and I really don't feel like I can make one. I don't feel like any of the arguments levied against her make her mafia and I like where my vote is right now.

But if nb dies...Meh. That's fine I guess.

On December 11 2014 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care much for this nb wagon, but I don't really know where else I would deflect the vote.

On December 12 2014 14:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Under normal circumstances I can at least gauge thread atmosphere and get a feel for what mafia is doing, especially since thread atmosphere is my specialty. I just...Can't do it. It's really bothering me.

For starters, can we sit down and explain to me why ritoky is scum? Explain it to me like I'm 5.

I don't really understand this push. Something about him opening his present/a meta case on Holyflare? I'm only vaguely aware of it but people are piling onto him so apparently I missed something big.

Also, that FN case is pretty meh.

On December 12 2014 15:21 liancourt wrote:
ritoky what present did you get?

On December 12 2014 10:02 Holyflare wrote:


Why do you keep trying to get this out of him?? Nobody should claim their present till it is used.

Stop

On December 12 2014 15:43 rsoultin wrote:
Issues w/ Ritoky (some if not all of which have been mentioned before):
- Commenting that one of LS' town reads voted another town read (like that is at all significant)
- Random townread on slam based on...what? meta from a game slam was afk in for rl reasons...yeah, that's strong (ignores this when pointed out to him and continues to read slam as town)
- Keeps reading into comments to claim that ppl are saying they know things that they can't know: i.e. HTS on kush claiming scrooge not considering he was scum, SL on the kill present with Damdred thing, Templar on mafia RB as if it isn't a /possibility/ that mafia might have one
- Nitpicking HTS for froggy in null section for no apparent reason (at least he doesn't explain it if he has one)
- FF read is entirely about FF "sheeping" Ritoky's reasons for scumreading LS (meta) - weak case with so much available
- Nitpicking yet again for froggy in null section, this time in FFs reads, and complains about them all even though FF was specifically asked to make reads on those people
- Move off of LS onto FF seems to coincide with general thread feelings
- Case against HF is almost entirely (if not entirely) meta
- Takes cue from GB about HF still being alive and immediately starts tunneling (after stupid you think i'm mafia exchange with GB)
- 1 in 3 kill chance means nothing when we have no way to confirm that he opened a present, only that he says he did
- if he was town and did open a present only an idiot would claim that to be RBd or killed by mafia the next night, which he refuses to see despite the fact that it's glaringly obvious

So yeah. I'd say that's enough to vote him for. At least it meets my threshold.

On December 12 2014 15:54 liancourt wrote:
it's obvious you have the kill present or the seer present.

mafia wont take any chance in case you have the seer present so they'll kill you tonight and if you do survive the night town will kill you day 3.

either way you're a dead man ritoky.

why did you claim to have opened a present???? i just don't understand from a town perspective.

what good does it do to town?

On December 12 2014 08:30 ritoky wrote:


first, there's no guarantee that there is even a RB in the game (you seem to have not read the rules for a 2nd time). second, in the event i die it can clarify why for town. third, if there is an rb and i eat it, it means there was no rb on potential cop/vigi/doc...which is good.

don't see how it is a bad thing to claim it. plus now you know that if you are holding a present, there's a 1 in 2 chance it will kill you if you open it. idk, it does so much net positive imo.

On December 12 2014 16:21 liancourt wrote:
no no and no

you could have done this at the end of night 2 near the deadline. "Hey guys i opened a present on night 1 and i got a seer present. i'm seering xx."

there was absolutely no reason for you to do it now during the day. And i dont' see any reason why you are not revealing what present you have.



no...if you can deduce from the night outcomes and what SL has said the most logical explanation is that SL gave the death present to damdred and he opened and commited seppuku.

If you think otherwise i'd like to hear an explanation as to why you still think there's a death present lying around.

I really just dont understand why you'd claim during the day and be a target to mafia during the night.

On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC.

The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with:




This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny.

Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read.

This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like?

KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance.

KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation.
Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis.

His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.

Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.

The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.

In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else.

Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.

On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?

I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE?

On December 14 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote:
Phwew. I'm so relieved now.

On December 14 2014 08:08 sicklucker wrote:


Like dont even start I was all aboard lynching him untill he refused to try to save himself...

On December 14 2014 08:11 Trfel wrote:

Unless I'm missing something, please don't do this. If the mafia know who you are planning on shooting, they can roleblock you if you choose a mafia, or let you shoot if you choose a town.

On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:


im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them.

On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:


anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans

but no one did...why?

i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip.

What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself.

Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in.

HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this.

He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless.

On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?

Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1?

On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?

On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that.
##Vote Ritoky

On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:


We're you notified?

On December 15 2014 13:05 LightningStrike wrote:

The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for.

On December 15 2014 13:39 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what is your reads today?

On December 15 2014 13:48 LightningStrike wrote:
GB Null at best for me his wanting to lynch HF so bad and his case for it is meh at best in my opinion and his endless shouting for his lynching just annoyed me a lot because I town reading HF also notice that GB did all this when HF couldn't defend himself because of the post limit? It could mafia action but I got no good case of GB just yet.

On December 15 2014 13:51 rsoultin wrote:


Sorry, too late ><.

I've been butting heads with GB. A lot. Part of my reaction to him has become emotional, and I don't like that in myself when I'm trying to analyze things. But I will admit it. His call for a mass claim I still don't like. I still don't like his tunnel vision focus on HF to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, or that he keeps trying to force things through and throwing fits when people don't fall in line. I don't like that he harps on HF constantly but then instructs vigi not to shoot him...it seems counterintuitive. The only explanation I can possibly think of for that is if he thinks HF may be the vet, but if he thought that, why all pressure?

So no, GB still doesn't sit well with me. I wouldn't be surprised if he were scum and he still is probably my biggest scum read. I'm trying to approach him from more neutral ground, though, so my urge to fight with people that domineering doesn't get in the way/blind me. -_-

On December 15 2014 13:53 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you give rito your present? If so why did you give it to him?

On December 15 2014 13:58 rsoultin wrote:


^ See above.

On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:


This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks.

Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this.

On December 16 2014 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Two slips in 1 game what the hell is this madness?
##unvote
##Vote ritoky

On December 16 2014 06:44 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ritoky may have stepped in it hm? He still hasnt bothered to claim who he tried to shoot. Sad. He only had to keep his details super general and he wouldnt have been caught. No problem with voting one of my only 2 strong scum reads from day 2. No problem at all.

if weve got something wrong, rit, now is the time to defend yourself. id suggest a defense that doesnt involve presents ^^ Will vote when i get home from work

On December 16 2014 06:45 batsnacks wrote:


You -really- should have said I was reading wrong, or that you said the wrong thing. Now you're committed to having received a notification.

...and you didn't.

On December 16 2014 06:48 batsnacks wrote:


Betting outside of the game is against the rules.

But I'll bet the game you didn't.

On December 16 2014 06:55 batsnacks wrote:
bat traps™ too strong yo

didn't you know that?

On December 16 2014 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:

This is your slip since you wouldn't of been notified unless you are scum trying to kill someone.
Tube's slip

On December 16 2014 07:20 liancourt wrote:
rit why didnt u claim who u were going to shoot at night

On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
suboptimally

On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:


I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.

As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.

On December 16 2014 08:46 Tubesock wrote:


No, you "claiming" to give a present to Damdred and him being killed is not evidence of you having the death present. It's smoke and mirrors. We only know when you flip. Same with Holyflare.

##Vote: Holyflare

On December 16 2014 08:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
So who's mafia then, ritoky? Sob stories are fun and all but we still have 23 hours during which time you could still try. If you were town that is

On December 16 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:


are you purposefully trying to get lynched before HF for some reason???

is HF mass murderer???

On December 16 2014 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
I do actually have a case...ironically with more than just a few points and only town gives town presents argument. Are people willing to entertain a case against GB or should I reserve it for the night phase, before I'm possibly shot at again?

On December 16 2014 09:20 rsoultin wrote:


How many times is your story going to change, ritoky?

On December 16 2014 09:31 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, I'm going to grab some things to make dinner, but then I'll come back and post my case with the quotes that I still need to rustle up. That said...

##unvote
##vote: ritoky

You shot at me after being allegedly roleblocked and receiving a PM. Something in there is worth lynching you over. Perhaps the simple fact that you are lying or have lied. Why do you choose me to claim taking a shot at, then? There still has to be some reasoning in there somewhere.

Regardless, bbl.

On December 16 2014 09:36 rsoultin wrote:


I did, sweet cheeks. I read that you are now claiming that you've been lying all along to cover for making a mistake and trying to reserve your shot. And that you delayed revealing who you shot at because you had to figure out a plausible target. So again. Why do you choose me to claim taking a shot at, then? <- Note the phrasing is exactly the same as in the post you just quoted.

Perhaps I should have used the word DID to make my question more clear.

On December 16 2014 09:53 rsoultin wrote:
1. I've addressed GBs case on HF in-thread.
2. Not sure how I've been less than committal on you and GB. The burden of proof is on you, because I think my "commitment" has been rather obvious.
3. I said right in my Xata read that I'm not necessarily reading him as scum, just that his play is very cautious and that raised doubts.
4. I have since apologized to Tube, and even explained what I thought and where I've gone wrong with my read on SL. Not to mention I said earlier that it was meta and he was the only one I was comfortable meta-reading.

So clearly you do need to go through my filter or read the thread yourself.

On December 16 2014 10:15 rsoultin wrote:

1. His case was underwhelming, and didn't require a large response. I was not the only one who thought that, clearly.
2. Not linking the quotes pushing, but there were plenty.
3. Doubts is not a null read. It is, quite simply, doubts.
4. I am saying that my initial read was based on meta. Read my filter.

This is my last response to either of you @ritoky & GB. I asked people if they wanted the case I'd made against GB, stating that I still needed to rustle up the quotes, well before GB came back into the thread.

It wasn't a bad try at sucking me into a back-and-forth, though. Kudos to you both for the attempt.

On December 17 2014 04:39 batsnacks wrote:
How many people are scum reading ritoky but not HF?

If this is true for you pls explain why you are scum reading ritoky.

@ritoky please walk me through from the beginning exactly what happened with you claiming and how much of what youve said is true. Start from when you first received the present, if you even did receive a present.

On December 17 2014 05:57 LightningStrike wrote:

That is sickluckers meta man you gotta meta read him