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On December 10 2014 19:34 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:
My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush
How familiar are you with kushm4sta's playstyle? Do you think he's actually scum or is that just policy? How strong is that LightningStrike read? I had a pretty strong scum read on him earlier but the fact that he's been trying to react to questions and discuss makes me think I may have been wrong. I find him quite hard to read, there's a lot that would be scummy alone but when considered in the big picture it just seems a bit weak.
honestly I am not that familiar with Kush, but this play feels almost exactly like the last game I played with him when he was scum. I suppose it is semi-policy. I think because the only game I played with him he was scum so I see scum everywhere.
He isn't my town circle, I don't like him at all, but there are better targets.
The LS read is pretty strong.
Firstly I really don't like his initial list post that had slam and OWS as town. I just don't see how you can make those reads. again maybe the slam heuristic isn't so good but too many town reads that make no sense.
he then has SickLucker as scummy even though SL basically confirmed himself as town with the presengate. then his null reads include NB and HTS, both of whom had done pretty scummy things. I just hate the list.
He then clamed that his town read on FF was based on FF shenanigans, I see absolutely no evidence of this at all.
Pretty happy to lynch him.
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what do you think about viv, lone?
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Reminder about filter length - if I see people on their 5th page of filter, I'm gonna start getting all prickly holly on your ass.
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On December 10 2014 12:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 12:31 rsoultin wrote:@Viva On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all Whether you believe KSC or not, Xata did not pull the "reaction test" thing out of his ass. I personally don't approve of this move and might even call it scummy, given a dumb scrooge might have fallen for it, but whatevs. Says nothing about Xata. If you want a read on someone, ask. @Damdred...seems more lazy than scummy to me, the Templar post. Unless you're telling me he isn't usually fluffy (which considering his silly Santa stories, you'd think that would have raised a red flag by now with those of you who have played with him before). He asked a few good questions in the text wall. Yea gimme a read on Xata. He did pull it out of his ass cause it wasn't a reaction test. A reaction test is something you purposefully do to fish a reaction. What Kelsier did was an attempt at taking advantage of the setup, then he realized it failed, then he looked at FF and called him scum for not looking more thoroughly at what he did there, meta-based.
Could you clarify why you thought KSC's plan was an afterthought? I got the opposite feeling. Mainly for these reasons:
1) No scum in their right mind would blatantly bluefish for "setup reasons", then retract the idea a few minutes later... that's very risky play for Mafia and they would almost certainly double-check before proposing a plan like this, especially if he noticed that it was faulty in just a couple of minutes afterwards
2) I think his chain of posts were stupid / risky, but I can more easily believe it coming from over-eager town rather than suicidal scum
3) KSC did actually go after FF after that which leaves me to again think that it probably wasn't simply an afterthought
So yeah, I don't really see your point here. Please enlighten me on why you think differently of KSC's play there.
On December 10 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote:Then, what gave me more confidence is the matter of his read evolution on 27nb: December 09 2014 12:42.: Show nested quote +
Regarding 27ninjabunnies, there are two reasons that make me think she might be town:
1) She easily gathered a ton of votes and the rest of the votes have been scattered around everywhere. This makes me think that the Mafia team is supporting her lynch or at the very least content with it. If that wasn't the case, I think her wagon would have been a bit weaker or at least there would be a competing wagon. Right now it just looks like 27ninjabunnies is heading to be lynched and the Mafia team is happy / doesn't care about it.
2) If Half the Sky is Mafia, I feel it's quite unlikely that 27ninjabunnies is Mafia as well. Pre-flip association, I know, but I don't think scum Half the Sky would easily pile on a scum 27ninjabunnies wagon or that she would first start casually discussing with 27ninjabunnies and refer to her as town.
So I don't really think 27ninjabunnies is a good lynch for these reasons.
December 09 2014 14:02: Show nested quote +I agree that 27ninjabunnies doesn't look good. She also does have more fluff than you. Fluff in itself isn't so bad though, in my opinion. What I was more concerned about is that your posts seem to maintain some appearance of relevance without really having much (if any), whereas 27ninjabunnies has more fluff that's clearly just useless. Generally I've noticed that Mafia tend to make posts more along the lines of your posting style.
December 09 2014 19:54. Show nested quote +I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. December 09 2014 22:02: Show nested quote +Maybe I was wrong about HTS. She seems to be actively doing stuff for now so it could be too hasty to lynch her. 27ninjabunnies on the other hand, doesn't look any better than earlier. Mainly for the fact that she defended froggy and then put him on her scumlist anyway when pressured. And townread the people who had stances against her own. Basically just meaningless listing contradicting her other posts. It could be that the scumteam merely doesn't have that much thread presence or is bussing her.
##Unvote
##Vote 27ninjabunnies Like, this doesn't make ANY sense. The reasons for her being scum were there from the start, yet all dismissed just cause so many people found them good and cause of the associative thingy. And when 27nb comes back at December 09 2014 18:07, to explain that iffy for her means null, Xata skips over it in his next posts to progressively get closer to lynching her as his traction on HTS loses strength. It is a BIG deal whether iffy means scummy or means null in someone's opinion. Obviously you can't verify it for sure if it's just an excuse or the truth, but at least it takes some wind out of the former arguments. And at the time when the arguments against bunnies were the strongest, Xata found some very questionable reasons for townreading her. When the time comes where the arguments against bunnies should be put into question given her explanation, he ignores the new information and joins the wagon based on the old information, using it as the main argument. Also notice the use of the word "fluff". "Fluff" in this game has been literally dropping down from the sky from a multitude of players, and I don't see how Xata applies it so selectively to only these two players. I don't want to count the amount of the word "fluff", between being used as bulk of his case against HTS, to being differentiated into useless fluff and fluff with usefuleness (or something like that), to be called "not so bad in itself". The use of the word fluff in here is mostly just an excuse to scumread people or not on a whim and completely arbitrary. You can't measure the amount of fluff, and it has to be seen in context. When HTS posted fluff in her first post, it was scummy. Ninjabunnies had more fluff initially, but it wasn't so bad in itself.Why? Cause more people voted her! Clearly Xata has a blatant double standard here, and the read on NB should progress in the opposite way, if he had rolled town.
I was very tired last night and I don't think I saw a post from 27ninjabunnies that would make me think differently of her before leaving. HTS was posting better in the recent pages so I thought that it might be too hasty to just lynch her. Unfortunately I was too tired to start reading through filters again so I just left my vote on 27ninjabunnies. She seemed like a better lynch than HTS at the time despite her being the only real wagon. By the way, I find your point about "iffy" and "null" meaning the same thing to be very weird. Just a bit earlier you were advocating that KSC's earlier play was all an afterthought, but here you don't even seem to consider the possibility. What gives? If anything, 27ninjabunnies' claim looks a lot more like an afterthought. If "iffy" and "null" both meant "null", why separate the categories? Doesn't "iffy" sound somewhat suspicious anyway instead of just null?
Then again, 27ninjabunnies did softclaim Mason (?) after I left. If she really does claim Mason later on, I don't see a reason to lynch her unless the other Masons counter-claim. Though it could easily be a scum strategy too (baiting counter-claims before dying).
You should just check my earlier games to see that I often separate fluff into different categories. Pure fluff = fluff that has absolutely no relevance to the game, usually not really alignment indicative. Semi-useful fluff = fluff that's slightly relevant to the game such as setup/role talk or policy talk. That's the easiest thing to talk about for Mafia while maintaining a semi-useful appearance and that's why I often look at such posters first on D1.
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EBWOP: Vivax did actually consider that 27ninjabunnies was adding the null/iffy thing as an afterthought. Never mind that point. Dunno why it's even an argument against me though since it's really weak.
Apparently all the votes on me were on false premises (Vivax) or pure sheepvotes (rsoultin/Obi/Tubesock/Fecalfeast). Honestly speaking the wagon looks just totally atrocious. Just look at these votes:
On December 10 2014 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax is town.
Xatalos is scum.
Let's go.
##vote xatalos
On December 10 2014 14:49 rsoultin wrote:
Heh, I don't have to agree with anyone to prove I'm town, and you in particular do not intimidate me, Vivax. I think you made a good catch here. If I didn't I wouldn't have taken the time to try to verify it, even if I did make a mistake in doing so. I think this is a better case than OWS.
I still want to hear what people think of Glowingbear. Especially those who have played with him before. Is he always this...absent when he plays?
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
On December 10 2014 14:52 Fecalfeast wrote:sheepalfeast rasputin you didnt use the voting thread
On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB.
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ObiWanShinobi's vote looks really bad. In addition to his vote being a pure sheepvote, he says this afterwards:
On December 10 2014 14:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 14:49 rsoultin wrote:
Heh, I don't have to agree with anyone to prove I'm town, and you in particular do not intimidate me, Vivax. I think you made a good catch here. If I didn't I wouldn't have taken the time to try to verify it, even if I did make a mistake in doing so. I think this is a better case than OWS.
I still want to hear what people think of Glowingbear. Especially those who have played with him before. Is he always this...absent when he plays?
##unvote
##vote Xatalos This is a much better response. @FF: Xatalos made up reasons to hop on the NB wagon.
So rsoultin removing his vote from Obi and sheepvoting me instead is a "much better response"? That makes no sense unless Obi means that it's best when people sheepvote on someone that's not him. I don't even.
Also the last part "Xatalos made up reasons to hop on the wagon" is a gross misrepresentation of both my play and even Vivax's case. What Vivax said was that I didn't vote for 27ninjabunnies when the arguments were strongest and voted when they were less strong. I don't really agree with that argument (since the only possible argument for 27ninjabunnies being town by then was a sketchy explanation to her listpost, and HTS had posted better which made 27bunnies relatively more scummy than before), but even if that argument was true, ObiWanShinobi's summary of the case is an exaggeration. Not only does he sheep but he also spreads misinformation.
Also, looking at Obi's filter, it's really atrocious overall.
OMGUS:
On December 09 2014 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking I'm mafia.
Baseless town passes:
On December 10 2014 11:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on them now. Tempted to call you town for holding me accountable for posting them. Give it some time because I'm going to post on a bunch of people I find important/interesting.
On December 10 2014 11:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 11:49 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can you guys stop calling me mafia because I work during the day?
I mean really. ^ Found one Disgruntled Christmas Worker lol Also inclined to townread this stud because he made me giggle.
Pure sheeping:
On December 10 2014 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax is town.
Xatalos is scum.
Let's go.
##vote xatalos
Yeah. He could definitely be scum.
FF's vote is bad. So is the vote from rsoultin. Tubesocks' vote is probably the most ridiculous. At least he removed it soon enough.
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Tubesock: So you just sheeped Vivax even though you didn't believe in the case at all? What exactly happened there?
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Also Tubesock I asked this from you yesterday:
"Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse."
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Well, it's not that terribly relevant anymore when I sort of view her the same way now.
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On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB.
Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim.
That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game.
The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself.
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damn vivax aint scum.
##unvote
Although I dont completely agree with his case on xata.
I really really hate all the list posts, what are they for?
Completely dont get it.
##vote froggy
This is the right one today.
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On December 10 2014 22:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim. That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game. The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself.
So whats your read on Xata now?
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@Xata
Dude, give me something non-reactionary. Why, of all the people here, were your only scum reads HTS and 27nb? If they were your strongest scum reads, why? OWS is obviously scummy, of course, no matter how many times he's townread me, but your play only makes sense if you have no one else you think could be scum. I find that hard to believe.
The 27nb push is weak. Back up your push, prove to me it's strong with or without her list clarification (where you are claiming that she had a section specifically labeled "null" when she didn't), and I will change my vote on you. Or at least show why you think she's a better lynch than players like OWS and FF, liancourt, or me even. xP
That's my issue with you. All the other stuff Vivax said wasn't strong by itself, as I've already mentioned.
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On December 10 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 22:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim. That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game. The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself. So whats your read on Xata now?
Eh, I don't really have the time to answer this, to be honest. You can see it sprinkled through my other posts. I'll try to be back in enough time to change my vote if it's warranted, but gotta work. Ciao.
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27NB has answered my main concern on her (the Ritoky vote versus her D1 list) and the large D1 list in of itself early on which Damdred brought up with me which is making me reconsider. Marking Kitaman for saying hey as iffy is definitely alright, but not scum. But she explained that already.
Froggy - two posts, both of which are null. We need more info from him.
Trfel - still hasn't posted yet
FF - I'm seeing contradictions in his reads - the weak read on Rasputin especially - and a double standard pointed out by Kitaman. The lurkiness doesn't help. Can you at least explain your thought process between Tube and LS? If I missed it, please quote.
KelsierSC - He's added Bats and Xatalos to his town circle. I wonder what he thinks of Xatalos now given Vivax's developed read.
OWS - Good to see you posting finally. I can't say much on you yet, since honestly I feel most of your town reads were ones most had picked off. You did sheep Vivax, but that was admitted. You're still pretty null to me at the moment.
Vivax - confident enough to say he's town even before the reads on Xatalos.
Liancourt - Even if this is his meta, I still don't like it. I'm sorry, I don't. Zero help to town, my friend.
I need to reexamine the case on Xatalos but at this point for me, it's a tossup between any one of the lurkers.
GB is a headscratcher for me. He's saying he's gathering information but I'm looking for any prelim conclusions other than the Bats/Templar (which I don't agree with)/SL reads, and his present post doesn't seem to have a purpose since alignment is unrelated to possession.
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Alright don't know who is in the thread so just going to spout some stuff.
So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that.
So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess.
She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts.
She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town.
So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later.
So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.
So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided.
So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town.
His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia,
So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia.
Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote...
I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that
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On December 10 2014 09:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote:
Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have.
On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town.
FOS:
Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification)
and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction)
Still reading... Also, how jerky is this? I defend his ass saying his post is not alignment indicative. Go through hell for it, and he fucking scum reads me. What is this shit? Also 4 posts? Never should have defended you.
You should only regret defending me because you think I am scum, not because you dislike my reaction. I found your play relatively fluffy, appearing to be active when not contributing to town. Just because you are defending me does not make you town. Similarly even though Damdred attacked me I think his play is pretty townie.
You should not be looking for jerky play you should be looking for scummy play. Generally I also don't like people defending other sas it stops them from responding. Its also easy for scum to look town by defending town.
Re low post count: TBH I am finding this game relatively overwhelming. first game in a while and the only reason I thought I would be able to be active is due to the post restriction... this has not worked or at least people are posting without content which is making is making it more difficult.
I have had a look at LS - though again I disagree with most of his reads I feel that he is just being clumsy (like me it seems) rather than scummy.
I really don't like Rit's posting. will have anothe rlook at filter by tonight and decide on whether I find it scummy as well as bad/weird. I will also have a closer look at Templar since he has come back, but from what I can see he seems to be contributing so null read.
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On December 10 2014 22:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 10 2014 22:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim. That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game. The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself. So whats your read on Xata now? Eh, I don't really have the time to answer this, to be honest. You can see it sprinkled through my other posts. I'll try to be back in enough time to change my vote if it's warranted, but gotta work. Ciao.
HE JUST POSTED LIKE A TON.
COME ON MAN. .
thats why i said, now, as opposed to nothing.
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On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright don't know who is in the thread so just going to spout some stuff.
So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that.
So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess.
She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts.
She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town.
So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later.
So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.
So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided.
So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town.
His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia,
So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia.
Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote...
I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that
can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad.
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On December 10 2014 23:08 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote:
Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have.
On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town.
FOS:
Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification)
and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction)
Still reading... Also, how jerky is this? I defend his ass saying his post is not alignment indicative. Go through hell for it, and he fucking scum reads me. What is this shit? Also 4 posts? Never should have defended you. You should only regret defending me because you think I am scum, not because you dislike my reaction. I found your play relatively fluffy, appearing to be active when not contributing to town. Just because you are defending me does not make you town. Similarly even though Damdred attacked me I think his play is pretty townie. You should not be looking for jerky play you should be looking for scummy play. Generally I also don't like people defending other sas it stops them from responding. Its also easy for scum to look town by defending town. Re low post count: TBH I am finding this game relatively overwhelming. first game in a while and the only reason I thought I would be able to be active is due to the post restriction... this has not worked or at least people are posting without content which is making is making it more difficult. I have had a look at LS - though again I disagree with most of his reads I feel that he is just being clumsy (like me it seems) rather than scummy. I really don't like Rit's posting. will have anothe rlook at filter by tonight and decide on whether I find it scummy as well as bad/weird. I will also have a closer look at Templar since he has come back, but from what I can see he seems to be contributing so null read.
So all your reads are null?
Dont you have any super strong reads either direction?
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