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TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 60
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liancourt
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 10 2014 14:58 Vivax wrote: Let's say GB was the towniest guy in the last game I played with him, and he was scum. Super active and to the point since the start of D1, aggressively pushing his "reads". Half the town was afk but still, he was a super tryhard scummer and I totes misread him. Cba to read him thoroughly atm, if you want you can point me to the interesting bits that warrant a read. The interesting bits...he's got a 4-page filter (excluding the page before the game) and I can barely remember what he's said. Several non-essential posts about being bored, not reading, etc. That said, going back through I do actually see more reads/probing questions than I remembered, primarily dealing with Templar. I'm trying to determine if he should be taken at face value or not. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Roleblocks, Saves and anything like that are never announced to the player. You will not know if you're roleblocked (although if you have a role you might be able to deduce it) and you will not know if you saved someone or got saved from a KP. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I"m not understanding the Xatas wagon. You guys don't claim 27NB is less scummy than Xatas, but switch due to him being a bit waffly and saying that the 27NB wagon is dangerous as it's a Mafia driven lynch. So, Xatas is scummy for suggesting a wagon switch, but you guys are switching and not claiming 27NB is town??? Wut? I saw the 27NB "iffy" clarification was brought up. Are you guys not calling bullshit on that? She had 3 categories of people but effectively said that 2 of them were the same category. Riiiiight. Don't even try to say that her "iffy" category was null while her "Those I need to look more at:" category is the scummier one unless you post some evidence of behavior by any human that suggests they would prefer to organize categories by Best/Worst/Middle. Help me out Viv, you were a really solid Town for me. My question to you is also, why is 27NB less scummy than Xatas (who I totally agree with you on)? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[b## Vote: NinjaBunnies[/b] | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 10 2014 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone explain the nb votes to me like I'm dumb? I feel like I missed something but I don't know what that is. I can't remember the points against her being spectacular in the first place. Also kind of weirded out by the fact that Koshi apparently knows my meta now. His read on me is generally inaccurate/based on me posting big meaty posts, so having him come out and say "OWS is useless and could be scum" when he loves to give me tons of leeway is strange. I tend to babysit people more in smaller games. This game. Not so much. 27nb claimed Mason (Carol Singer) She is town unless there is no Mason group at all. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On December 10 2014 18:01 Koshi wrote: I tend to babysit people more in smaller games. This game. Not so much. 27nb claimed Mason (Carol Singer) She is town unless there is no Mason group at all. Except she says she did not claim. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Well. I will need to read stuff more in detail later. Ritoky 27nb Vivax Xatalos kushm4sta Half The Sky Interesting people. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read? This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk  I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. There's also this: On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other ##unvote He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation. ##Vote: Fecalfeast | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I'm ##voting Xatalos but will switch back to NB later if people don't think she claimed or still wagon her. I'll be back a few hours before EoD. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote: I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. ##Vote: Fecalfeast Anti town play as town or as scum? How do you know he is scum for sure? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On December 10 2014 18:27 Koshi wrote: Anti town play as town or as scum? How do you know he is scum for sure? If he's actively being anti town as town that's playing against his win condition, isn't it? There's also the rest of his play which to me does not make sense for a townie. Why would he not go back on 27ninjabunnies after the "claim" turned out not to be a claim after all? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 10 2014 18:32 LoneMeow wrote: If he's actively being anti town as town that's playing against his win condition, isn't it? There's also the rest of his play which to me does not make sense for a townie. Why would he not go back on 27ninjabunnies after the "claim" turned out not to be a claim after all? Nobody else does as well. Dnu, you might be right. It just looks a bit thin. I will look into ff as well. Just busy atm. Today. Meh. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On December 10 2014 17:49 Tubesock wrote: I hope someone is still around. I"m not understanding the Xatas wagon. You guys don't claim 27NB is less scummy than Xatas, but switch due to him being a bit waffly and saying that the 27NB wagon is dangerous as it's a Mafia driven lynch. So, Xatas is scummy for suggesting a wagon switch, but you guys are switching and not claiming 27NB is town??? Wut? I saw the 27NB "iffy" clarification was brought up. Are you guys not calling bullshit on that? She had 3 categories of people but effectively said that 2 of them were the same category. Riiiiight. Don't even try to say that her "iffy" category was null while her "Those I need to look more at:" category is the scummier one unless you post some evidence of behavior by any human that suggests they would prefer to organize categories by Best/Worst/Middle. Help me out Viv, you were a really solid Town for me. My question to you is also, why is 27NB less scummy than Xatas (who I totally agree with you on)? On December 10 2014 18:24 Tubesock wrote: EBWOP I'm ##voting Xatalos but will switch back to NB later if people don't think she claimed or still wagon her. I'll be back a few hours before EoD. Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. viv then goes on to say that I didn't follow up on ff, This is completely false On December 09 2014 17:41 KelsierSC wrote: I agree you aren't projecting towniness, so you ask him specifically about his town pass on slam and GB, then you agree with me that a lot of his town list makes no sense. Which to me is like a beacon going wtf is this. But you don't care about who he calls scum/null? He has SL as scummy right i'm interested to know what you make of that. He also has ritoky and nb as nul because he needs more info but has other very easy town reads. On December 10 2014 04:02 KelsierSC wrote: Also FF what did you make of the HTS, NB , froggy interactions? I pointed out flaws in his logic and have asked follow up questions which he hasn't answered yet. I have called ff one of my scum so saying I don't provide info or follow up is false. The final point of me being scum is that I am curious about people who town read slam, but don't provide the information. Well I noticed nb called him town quite early and that again made me sit up, but then dam did it aswell and I think rasputin did it and I have both of them town so perhbaps the heuristic isn't that useful, again I didn't make a post saying "actually guys I didn't get information off of people calling slam town" I just gave my town reads. Again people say I have fluffy , one liner reads are completely misrepresenting my play. I have explained all my reads if you are unsure you can ask me about it in more detail, no one has actually asked me to do that apart from getting me to explain my bs read, they just falsely accuse me. Anyway having put to bed all those arguments I am going to add a few people to my town circle and then start deciding who I want to lynch. I'm going to add Lonemeow to the town circle for d1, I like his analysis of the d1 wagon on NB, he looked at the people voting and how they voted and it made him uncomfortable with the lynch, the post felt town. He also reads ff as pretty scummy and I like that read a lot. So my town circle contains. hf,bats,dam,templar,xat,kit,koshi,lonemeow,rasp, It is possible that X in my circle finds Y scummy but Z in my circle finds Y town. Yeh town can have different opinions. But these people have projected town to me and I am happy going forward. My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush questions, comments go ahead. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I ratify my read on rsoultin. He is town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies (10): KelsierSC (0): Half the Sky (0): The_Templar (1): GlowingBear sicklucker (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): sicklucker (0): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, LoneMeow KelsierSC (3): 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Currently 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched. 12.5h until deadline. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote: My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush How familiar are you with kushm4sta's playstyle? Do you think he's actually scum or is that just policy? How strong is that LightningStrike read? I had a pretty strong scum read on him earlier but the fact that he's been trying to react to questions and discuss makes me think I may have been wrong. I find him quite hard to read, there's a lot that would be scummy alone but when considered in the big picture it just seems a bit weak. | ||
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