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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Also where are the holes in the case against Xatalos? The sequence of quotes alone is pretty strong. EBWOP - FF to me is null leaning scum at this point, same for Liancourt and GB. That said more reads from Froggy and GB. Especially Froggy who has zero at the moment. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 10 2014 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote: can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad. there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her. viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less. Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town. I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
My vote is fine. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On December 10 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote: there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her. viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less. Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town. I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that Where did this happen? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 10 2014 22:55 rsoultin wrote: @Xata Dude, give me something non-reactionary. Why, of all the people here, were your only scum reads HTS and 27nb? If they were your strongest scum reads, why? OWS is obviously scummy, of course, no matter how many times he's townread me, but your play only makes sense if you have no one else you think could be scum. I find that hard to believe. The 27nb push is weak. Back up your push, prove to me it's strong with or without her list clarification (where you are claiming that she had a section specifically labeled "null" when she didn't), and I will change my vote on you. Or at least show why you think she's a better lynch than players like OWS and FF, liancourt, or me even. xP That's my issue with you. All the other stuff Vivax said wasn't strong by itself, as I've already mentioned. I've already explained my reasons for suspecting HTS (and 27ninjabunnies as well, though I didn't want to focus on repeating what others had already said too much). I also explained that I was tired last night and that affected my ability to find scum. 27ninjabunnies hasn't really done anything to make me *not* want to lynch her. Then there's her arbitrary list posting, weird defense for something that shouldn't deserve defending (froggy), easy town passes for several people as well as scum/null reading froggy just after defending him. Overall nothing towny and several suspicious points. After OWS's sheep vote and looking at him closer, however, I'm heavily considering that he could be the better lynch. FF doesn't look good either I agree. What was the case on liancourt again? On phone atm | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote: Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. I'm confused what you are saying here. Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work or Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 10 2014 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm confused what you are saying here. Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work or Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it No I planned, to say "i have spotted a set up glitch" then "i retract" because that is exactly what kush did in a previous game and the way ff reacted helped me read him as town that game. It was a specific play to read ff. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote: So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum. Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Ritoky Kush I am happy to lynch any of these 3. I got around 10 townreads or people I won't lynch. Then another 5 I wouldn't lynch for no real reason. Then some people I don't bother reading currently like, FF/bats/Tube/HTS/GB/liancourt/rsoultin. Those people. I think I am somewhat happy for today. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 10 2014 23:36 Half the Sky wrote: Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. On December 10 2014 12:00 Vivax wrote: This looks so fake given that I have the exactly opposite feeling to the bolded. First, it's completely pointless to discuss that plan, and saying it was a reaction test is completely pulled out of Xata's bum cause it wasn't, hence, it's most likely some invented reason to justify a town read on Kelsier. Kelsier said he misread something, and THEN used it to form a read on FF, which Second: he afterwards didn't push (instead he discusses a multitude of other things and here and there he asks FF a question of which I don't see the results). Just cause of this Xata belongs into my naughty list. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
The way I read it is that xat was unsure of calling nb scum because of how many people voted on it, but nb being scummy out weighed that factor. Maybe lots of town were just right. I don't read that as scummy. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
HTS: KSC was part of the case. More precisely his early Scrooge thing and my reaction to it. I think Vivax is misguided or misrepresenting stuff related to this issue. I don't get how he comes to the conclusion that KSC is lying about his early plays. I don't think he even called KSC scum? And how come the stuff on my voting is credible either? I don't see it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
 " between all the bad posts. How can she likes Vivax his read on me? His read is that my read on 27nb looks like mafia defending mafia. 27nb likes that read?????? How the fuck. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Xatalos
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Xatalos
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 09 2014 22:21 Half the Sky wrote: If he's scum, he's trying to get the other ghosts, if any, onto him for N1 to delay them getting to the real Scrooge. I'm thinking this through and that's the only other reasoning that makes sense to me. HS earlier on, you eventually conclude that kush is likely scum based on a post from ritoky about his vote/unhelpful posts. However, you also state the the only reasoning that makes sense for a scum kush claiming Scrooge is to attract ghosts. Do you honestly believe that's his plan? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: 2. Rereading, as in I'm reading the pages that I have missed. Sorry. I'm not a grammar nazi. 3. Yes, froggy has one post.. It isn't alignment indicative to me. I find him iffy because he only had 1 post. I havent read anything he may or may not have done since then. I'm sure my reads will change by the time I catch up. I never called him scum. I called him iffy. Iffy for me is I don't have a read either way. People to look at on my list is more scum than iffy on my list. #Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me. The only way I'll retract that statement is if you learn to read what I mean, and actually find mafia instead of lynching a town. This is why 27nb is impossible to take serious. On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today. Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go, Rereading = reading new pages BUT SHE FUCKING LEFT ON PAGE 19 AND THEN SAID SHE WAS ON PAGE 21. SO SHE WAS "REREADING" 2 PAGES. Why can't she just say "I read 2 pages". No, she goes with the "I am doing a bit of rereading." [Q] Is this scummy or just annoying? [A] Well, It is for sure fucking annoying. It might be a scummer spouting nonsense and failing to make it comprehensible for others. 3. iffy = non alignment indicative = can go either way The word iffy also changed meaning, pretty sure the iffy people were scummy people before. #Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me. 10 votes on her and is adhomming me. I get townreads all around and she gets scumreads all around. Really. Good job 27nb. Good play. To victory boys and girls! | ||
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