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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 10 2014 14:17 GMT
#1221
Oats - I believe list posts are more abundant because of the post restriction rule, and a number of us are getting close to our caps here for D1.

Also where are the holes in the case against Xatalos? The sequence of quotes alone is pretty strong.

EBWOP - FF to me is null leaning scum at this point, same for Liancourt and GB.

That said more reads from Froggy and GB. Especially Froggy who has zero at the moment.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 10 2014 14:17 GMT
#1222
On December 10 2014 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright don't know who is in the thread so just going to spout some stuff.

So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that.

So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess.

She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts.

She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town.

So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later.

So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.

So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided.

So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town.
His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia,
So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia.

Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote...

I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that




can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad.



there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines
NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her.
viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less.
Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town.

I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that
Zerg for Life
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 10 2014 14:18 GMT
#1223
Xat just called me scum because I like sheeping cases I think are good.

My vote is fine.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 10 2014 14:21 GMT
#1224
On December 10 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright don't know who is in the thread so just going to spout some stuff.

So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that.

So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess.

She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts.

She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town.

So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later.

So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.

So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided.

So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town.
His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia,
So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia.

Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote...

I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that




can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad.



there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines
NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her.
viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less.
Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town.

I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that


Where did this happen?
Retired.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:23 GMT
#1225
On December 10 2014 22:55 rsoultin wrote:
@Xata

Dude, give me something non-reactionary. Why, of all the people here, were your only scum reads HTS and 27nb? If they were your strongest scum reads, why? OWS is obviously scummy, of course, no matter how many times he's townread me, but your play only makes sense if you have no one else you think could be scum. I find that hard to believe.

The 27nb push is weak. Back up your push, prove to me it's strong with or without her list clarification (where you are claiming that she had a section specifically labeled "null" when she didn't), and I will change my vote on you. Or at least show why you think she's a better lynch than players like OWS and FF, liancourt, or me even. xP

That's my issue with you. All the other stuff Vivax said wasn't strong by itself, as I've already mentioned.


I've already explained my reasons for suspecting HTS (and 27ninjabunnies as well, though I didn't want to focus on repeating what others had already said too much). I also explained that I was tired last night and that affected my ability to find scum.

27ninjabunnies hasn't really done anything to make me *not* want to lynch her. Then there's her arbitrary list posting, weird defense for something that shouldn't deserve defending (froggy), easy town passes for several people as well as scum/null reading froggy just after defending him. Overall nothing towny and several suspicious points.

After OWS's sheep vote and looking at him closer, however, I'm heavily considering that he could be the better lynch. FF doesn't look good either I agree.

What was the case on liancourt again? On phone atm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 14:24 GMT
#1226
Hmm. Vivax is not scum 99% sure. I am not convinced on the Xatalos stuff though. He looks ok.
I had a good night of sleep.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 10 2014 14:33 GMT
#1227
On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test.


I'm confused what you are saying here.

Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work
or
Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:34 GMT
#1228
Short opinion of liancourt's filter: extremely annoying to read. Lots of fluff. I like his more "serious" posts though and his reads seem fine too. Why is he so scummy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 10 2014 14:36 GMT
#1229
On December 10 2014 23:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test.


I'm confused what you are saying here.

Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work
or
Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it


No I planned, to say "i have spotted a set up glitch" then "i retract" because that is exactly what kush did in a previous game and the way ff reacted helped me read him as town that game. It was a specific play to read ff.
Zerg for Life
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 10 2014 14:36 GMT
#1230
On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.


Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly?

You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere.

Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying.

Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 14:37 GMT
#1231
27nb
Ritoky
Kush
I am happy to lynch any of these 3.


I got around 10 townreads or people I won't lynch. Then another 5 I wouldn't lynch for no real reason. Then some people I don't bother reading currently like, FF/bats/Tube/HTS/GB/liancourt/rsoultin. Those people.


I think I am somewhat happy for today.
I had a good night of sleep.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 10 2014 14:38 GMT
#1232
On December 10 2014 23:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.


Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly?

You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere.

Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying.

Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think.


On December 10 2014 12:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 20:42 Xatalos wrote:
First things first, this really disturbed me:

On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.


On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles


Something like this is really dangerous to say because it might actually out the blue role in the worst case. And the fast backtrack indicates that there wasn't any real thought behind this "plan". However, it appears that it was just a reaction test:

On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.

this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all

I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town.

GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion?


It actually seems like KSC could believe what he's saying here. The way he goes after Fecalfeast after executing his "master plan" feels genuine enough. So I'd tentatively put KSC in the town camp. I sure hope that Mafia didn't somehow find the Scrooge because of this though.


This looks so fake given that I have the exactly opposite feeling to the bolded.

First, it's completely pointless to discuss that plan, and saying it was a reaction test is completely pulled out of Xata's bum cause it wasn't, hence, it's most likely some invented reason to justify a town read on Kelsier. Kelsier said he misread something, and THEN used it to form a read on FF, which

Second:
he afterwards didn't push (instead he discusses a multitude of other things and here and there he asks FF a question of which I don't see the results).

Just cause of this Xata belongs into my naughty list.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 10 2014 14:40 GMT
#1233
I don't think the case about xata's read on nb is any good.

The way I read it is that xat was unsure of calling nb scum because of how many people voted on it, but nb being scummy out weighed that factor. Maybe lots of town were just right.

I don't read that as scummy.
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:44 GMT
#1234
Well that'd make liancourt null rather than scum wouldn't it?

HTS: KSC was part of the case. More precisely his early Scrooge thing and my reaction to it. I think Vivax is misguided or misrepresenting stuff related to this issue. I don't get how he comes to the conclusion that KSC is lying about his early plays. I don't think he even called KSC scum?

And how come the stuff on my voting is credible either? I don't see it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 14:49 GMT
#1235
I keep reading 27nb her filter and it is so fucking annoying. All the "lmao" rofl" "lol" "" between all the bad posts.

How can she likes Vivax his read on me? His read is that my read on 27nb looks like mafia defending mafia. 27nb likes that read?????? How the fuck.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:51 GMT
#1236
Koshi you don't want to lynch OWS btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:53 GMT
#1237
Kush and ritoky seem more like null. Haven't looked at them closely though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2014 14:54 GMT
#1238
AFK for a while now
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 10 2014 14:56 GMT
#1239
On December 09 2014 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:
If he's scum, he's trying to get the other ghosts, if any, onto him for N1 to delay them getting to the real Scrooge. I'm thinking this through and that's the only other reasoning that makes sense to me.


HS earlier on, you eventually conclude that kush is likely scum based on a post from ritoky about his vote/unhelpful posts.

However, you also state the the only reasoning that makes sense for a scum kush claiming Scrooge is to attract ghosts. Do you honestly believe that's his plan?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:01 GMT
#1240
On December 10 2014 08:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:
2. Rereading, as in I'm reading the pages that I have missed. Sorry. I'm not a grammar nazi.
3. Yes, froggy has one post.. It isn't alignment indicative to me. I find him iffy because he only had 1 post. I havent read anything he may or may not have done since then. I'm sure my reads will change by the time I catch up. I never called him scum. I called him iffy. Iffy for me is I don't have a read either way. People to look at on my list is more scum than iffy on my list.

#Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me.

The only way I'll retract that statement is if you learn to read what I mean, and actually find mafia instead of lynching a town.

This is why 27nb is impossible to take serious.

On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today.

Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go,

Rereading = reading new pages BUT SHE FUCKING LEFT ON PAGE 19 AND THEN SAID SHE WAS ON PAGE 21. SO SHE WAS "REREADING" 2 PAGES.

Why can't she just say "I read 2 pages". No, she goes with the "I am doing a bit of rereading."


[Q] Is this scummy or just annoying?
[A] Well, It is for sure fucking annoying. It might be a scummer spouting nonsense and failing to make it comprehensible for others.


3. iffy = non alignment indicative = can go either way

The word iffy also changed meaning, pretty sure the iffy people were scummy people before.


#Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me.

10 votes on her and is adhomming me.
I get townreads all around and she gets scumreads all around.

Really. Good job 27nb. Good play. To victory boys and girls!
I had a good night of sleep.
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