EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 4
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On December 11 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote: I'm sorry i've been gone for so long, really sick just got released from hospital i'm going to try to catch up shortly Dude, take it easy if you have to. This is just a game. Doin' alright now? | ||
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Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push. Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes. @FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all. | ||
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I read your filter. I still don't see why you changed your vote. Care to enlighten me? | ||
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Why did you ninjasheep him? You've sheeped others openly. And why Koshi? He was loud, I'll grant, and had a more developed 27nb read than most of the other players on her, but that just leads right back to the tunnel vision thing, for me anyway. | ||
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Don't want much of anything from you at this point. You probably just got sidetracked by more aggressive players instead of answering my question properly...at least, I'm willing to give you that benefit of the doubt unless I see a recurring pattern. Not seeing any reason not to lynch someone is an argument I'd expect if you: 1) Had no real scum reads you felt strongly enough to pursue <- the crux of the question I directed at you Day 1 2) Had to choose between multiple wagons (not the case here) As for GB, I think he might be a good player to press for more reads...where are those promised reads, btw??? However, my gut feeling is his play is not scum-motivated. Those who have played with him before might be able to shed more light on that. Damdred voted for him, didn't he? I'd like to hear from both GB and Damdred if they're about. | ||
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On December 11 2014 23:07 Xatalos wrote: There were a couple of decent lynches (27nb, FF, OWS) and I didn't see it as either necessary or realistic to start pushing another wagon when lynching 27nb was a perfectly fine choice. Not having any reason not to lynch her wasn't my whole reason for lynching her, just one of them. Certainly I wasn't going to defend her for no reason. How do you come to the conclusion that his play isn't scum-motivated? I'm a bit curious. He seems detached from the thread and not really too interested in what's happening. I usually associate that with scum. There are a lot of things about his play that can be associated with scum, it's true. I've prodded at him a few times because of it and was about to make a push, when I filter-dived again. There is more in that filter than I remembered, and the posts that first had me leery...well, I'm thinking there are probably better lynches tomorrow. Regardless, if a ton of people die tonight a lot of this speculation might turn into wasted posts. I'm reserving getting too heavily into scum reads until those flips come out, mostly because of the posting limit. If you felt equally about those players, so pushed 27nb, I can understand that. I might have argued that more options than just one is better, but that answer right there would have been enough for me to change my vote from you Xata. Not that it matters now. I just was trying to understand your thought process. | ||
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Tube, you've seen SL play. He's not the most logical person on the planet, to say the least. You really think he's being coached by other scum in this insanity? GB stating that SL is town is based on SL being highly readable. It's why I pressured him when he was acting all weird in the beginning of the game...and why I won't support a lynch on him now. Even if he is spouting nonsense. | ||
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You basically roleclaimed with no pressure on and nothing to show for it. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:55 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin King of saying this ive already said and looking smart Sorry SL. I do get what you're saying now -_-. It just didn't make sense to me the way that you said it, but you're definitely right. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:58 Holyflare wrote: About 1000 people have role claimed. Should be super simple for mafia to just hit all blues because of it. This is true. But most of them were named VT or other more or less useless (now) roles. Not bright, granted, but it's not on the same level as if you were, say, kush claiming scrooge. And he just didn't give a shit. So Ritoky doing something equivalent to that is super questionable. Especially since he is actually playing where kush was not. | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:05 Half the Sky wrote: 2am...FML. Good night, will continue on this around lunchtime or so. LS, I will remember to follow up on Oats, but I'd say for now, it's not looking good. He just seemed way more involved. Rasputin, since you're here, can you give a comparison of Oats' gameplay as you know it versus what we're seeing now, (or if you have an opinion, then what?) we are trying to see if we can compare playstyles and get something alignment indicative. My opinion from SMIV is that it's not looking good, but this isn't a mini game either. LS gave a load of links to go through a few pages ago. Heh, he's certainly less present this game, but the only one I'm comfortable giving a meta-read on is SL, and that's just cause he's so careless it's obvious. As a near plynch, sure...but I wouldn't vote Oats Day 2 unless I see something scummy from his corner, and he's reading more null than anything to me right now. | ||
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Yeah, so obviously not going to vote him just cause if he were here right now I'd be tempted to throw him out a window, but...dude, compared to me at early game I was angelic. When did you start channeling the ass? @Tube If that's supposed to be slam, you're failing. | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote: Like ritokys gonna sort himself out in the night. Just treat him like we were gonna vote him out and claimed cop. We cant vote him out. He can prove hes town tomorrow. If he does notill be the first to vote him. Lol, you were fine with killing Kush (via vig) but not Ritoky when they've basically done the same thing? Typical nonsensical SL. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:00 sicklucker wrote: no I was number 1 against it. Way to show your observation skills. And screw you That was FF. Dude -_- I am really getting people mixed up this game. Too many new faces, too many posts. Fair enough. I retract my nonsensical statement lol. | ||
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That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote: Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. | ||
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