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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 21 2014 00:48 GMT
#4661
Well I wanted him dead last night anyway

##vote Xatalos
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 00:49 GMT
#4662
On December 21 2014 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
I still like Oats for it. He's done nothing the entire game.

I'd lynch Templar right now, too. He was strangely particular about who he'd vote for to save himself. Not alignment indicative, but his play has been underwhelming throughout the game.

HF is a consideration, also. It would really inform what are now two wagons on him.



I'm sidelining GB for awhile to watch how he decides to continue to play, but he's not townlisted for me yet, that's for sure.

I'm also suspicious of FF, given how haphazard he was playing yesterday.

Xata I'm not sure of. You guys keep bringing up that his reasons for voting people are crap, but I didn't find them particularly bad, myself.


Okay so tell me if my interpretation is wrong

Oats is scum because he has been inactive

Templar is scum because his play has been underwhelming

HF isn't scum for any reason but killing him would explain why other people read him scum

GB is null(leanscum?) but you don't want to lynch because he may try harder

I am haphazard by nature, no comment

Xata thrown in for no reason since you null read him


Do you have any full-on scum reads or is everyone a question mark to you?



Lol Oats is more than just inactive. Look at how he chooses to participate. He randomly pipes in with no, that's WIFOM, generally to GB or SL. He gives scum lists when prompted, but never the reasons for them. And I know I at least have asked. I don't even know what that was with his interaction between him, GB and Vivax last night. I've seen Oats play. There's a difference between being a minimalist and giving no substance at all.

Templar I feel is a policy lynch, but I also have my suspicions as to why he would change onto Tube but not GB, and while you could say that Tube was a scumread for him...given how little he pushed Tube and how he seemed to have no other scumreads, he's sufficiently suspicious for me to consider lynching him.

HF...I could see as scum. He has survived 3 wagons now, though I know I've played a large role in that. I can see him as scum because he's spent most of the thread defending himself, and the vets keep saying he's an amazing town player...but I'm not seeing anything particularly amazing coming from him. He chose to make a case against Templar, and not only is Templar almost a policy lynch, but the analysis behind HF's case had a lot of holes. Maybe y'all's definition of an amazing town player is different than mine, but he's been less than impressive this game. I also have a low tolerance for excuse after excuse. Add onto that the possibility to better understand the voting from the last 3 days...and he's not a bad choice for lynch. I'd call him null leaning scum for me.


I still think GB is scum. Three reasons I won't push him: 1)He's probably not going to get the votes today anyway. 2)I've seen some redeeming posts from him and am trying to keep an open mind. 3)What happens today might help clarify his previous behavior.

It is convenient that you are haphazard by nature.

I threw in Xata because I fully expect people to ask me about him, since there is a lot of thread sentiment to lynch him right now.



Sorry that I wasn't as specific as you wanted.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 00:53 GMT
#4663
On December 21 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Aaaaaaand I'm drunk.

Alright, listen.

We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum.

By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me.


Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town.
Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos

Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet.

I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment.

I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check.

Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia.
Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia.

So, lynch Xatalos.


What about Templar? You mentioned Oats and Xata but not Templar.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 21 2014 00:54 GMT
#4664
On December 21 2014 09:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well I wanted him dead last night anyway

##vote Xatalos


Works for me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 21 2014 00:54 GMT
#4665
From now on, everyone assume I was not the check from santa and base your reads on the thread, not an implied green check.

I don't want to be in mafia's back pocket as a mislynch in lylo so if anyone is holding back pushing me based on a soft green check, get it out of your system now
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 21 2014 00:56 GMT
#4666
On December 21 2014 09:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Aaaaaaand I'm drunk.

Alright, listen.

We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum.

By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me.


Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town.
Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos

Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet.

I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment.

I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check.

Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia.
Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia.

So, lynch Xatalos.


What about Templar? You mentioned Oats and Xata but not Templar.


Templar is also an option. I could lynch both. I have a preference on Xatalos because I have more experience with him and he is MUCH more active and try harder than this.
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 00:57 GMT
#4667
Links if you're trying to sell this on meta. Especially to someone who hasn't definitively townread you.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 21 2014 01:01 GMT
#4668
I can easily build a meta case on him, would you wait? Because I'm kinda going to sleep
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 01:02 GMT
#4669
On December 21 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I can easily build a meta case on him, would you wait? Because I'm kinda going to sleep


Yup. There's plenty of time. Sleep well xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:30 GMT
#4670
No we lynch hts guys god. Xata is probably mafia too and ill shennanie onto him if it comes to it but im more sure of hts and I have/will explain why to everyone

##vote halfthesky
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 02:35 GMT
#4671
I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to.

When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game.

Why HTS, SL?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:38 GMT
#4672
Like me, rsoultin, slam ,ls all should be pretty much assumed town for the rest of the game. Liam too to a lesser extent. One of us will prop out as a medic and one will be a save for the doubters.

Basically we just lynch from my list which vivax copied and got all the creditXD. The only unknowns in this are like gb/hf which we can figure out in the final 3 if mafia is not forced to nk one of them by then.

Hts
templar
xata
oats

If one of you are medic or carol singer just claim because we literally have auto.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:39 GMT
#4673
On December 21 2014 11:35 rsoultin wrote:
I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to.

When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game.

Why HTS, SL?


Dude like you were in both games. If you dont notice the difference already im wasting posts.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 21 2014 02:41 GMT
#4674
On December 21 2014 11:39 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 11:35 rsoultin wrote:
I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to.

When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game.

Why HTS, SL?


Dude like you were in both games. If you dont notice the difference already im wasting posts.


Dude, even if I was, you'll need to explain it to others. That I don't notice the difference already means it's probably not as obvious as you think it is. Just please explain yourself. That was the purpose of my post to begin with: to encourage you to explain your read.

There's no need to always be this defensive.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:54 GMT
#4675
Well ive never made a meta case so its going to take awhile and im going to watch a movie. but I already made part one please filter dive and read it
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:56 GMT
#4676
On December 21 2014 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:
##Vote The_Templar


Like shes already voted without saying anything. How is this not mafia based on her last game play? Even me and hf put aside are differences and both agree shes mafia. Like think about that for a second
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 02:59 GMT
#4677
On December 21 2014 08:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK so I opened the present. It was the gun which I pointed at xatalos. Bullet's not refunded so there's no point keeping quiet about it now.


Possible scenarios:

1 You got roleblocked by scum RB since you announced the present, if scum have an RB.

2 You used KP against Xatalos. But obviously he's not dead. Nigella might have roleblocked him thinking he was scum, and saved whoever Xatalos was going to kill. As a result though Nigella also protects so that's another theory why the bullet didn't go through.

#2 is plausible given the number of people that scumread Xatalos. IMO makes him look really bad right now.


Its diffently #1 anyone following this game knows that hes trying to confuse us.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 21 2014 03:01 GMT
#4678
On December 21 2014 11:38 sicklucker wrote:
Like me, rsoultin, slam ,ls all should be pretty much assumed town for the rest of the game. Liam too to a lesser extent. One of us will prop out as a medic and one will be a save for the doubters.

Basically we just lynch from my list which vivax copied and got all the creditXD. The only unknowns in this are like gb/hf which we can figure out in the final 3 if mafia is not forced to nk one of them by then.

Hts
templar
xata
oats

If one of you are medic or carol singer just claim because we literally have auto.


You are calling it a medic still so excuse me asking, do you understand the actual powers of the Nigella role?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 21 2014 03:01 GMT
#4679
On December 21 2014 11:59 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 08:20 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 21 2014 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK so I opened the present. It was the gun which I pointed at xatalos. Bullet's not refunded so there's no point keeping quiet about it now.


Possible scenarios:

1 You got roleblocked by scum RB since you announced the present, if scum have an RB.

2 You used KP against Xatalos. But obviously he's not dead. Nigella might have roleblocked him thinking he was scum, and saved whoever Xatalos was going to kill. As a result though Nigella also protects so that's another theory why the bullet didn't go through.

#2 is plausible given the number of people that scumread Xatalos. IMO makes him look really bad right now.


Its diffently #1 anyone following this game knows that hes trying to confuse us.

How am I trying to confuse anyone?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 21 2014 03:04 GMT
#4680
Ill explain why its always the first scenario. Obis are veg he knows hes likely to die in the night I even ask medic to save him. So he knows. But he doesint shoot? He was 100% mafia rbed .He always shoots he never wastes his shot. It was not nugella because he died in the same night.
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