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On December 19 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
What is this about vote consolidation over 24 hrs before eod? What is this about criticizing someone for sticking with a read that they feel more sure of? Is everyone in this thread high? If xata sticks with one scumread over another at eod , in a race against someone he is not reading as scum, then you have a case. you guys make no sense to me. i think that lurking players could be scum too.
Yay lynch the lurkers. yet ill still try to lynch someone im more certain of first. how is that scummy so long as end game im willing to adjust to try to lynch the most likely scum who has a possibility of being lynched? Why dont you guys try to lynch me for the same thing youre badgering xata about?
And everyone is conveniently ignoring xatas point that vivax first argues scum acting like obvious scum then flips and says they never would. i dont even -_- Well for him they should equally be scum but he finds a reason to lynch one scum first. It's not that he thinks Templar has some townie points to him, it's that he says he isn't pushing mafia agenda openly and doesn't have to be lynched so quickly. I have no idea how that doesn't sound like a cheap excuse to you. For me, mafia is mafia. Whether you vote Oats, Templar or Xata ( HF I'm least sure on tbh, biggest argument for me is still ritoky voting Kelsier and bats dying from pressing that point) doesn't matter to me. Like, the only reason for me to prefer a scum over the other is when I'm more confident about one guy over the other, and not the way they play in the thread, yet that is Xata's argument. He goes like "Oh well Templar is scum too, but cause he plays more passively I wouldn't lynch him first".
Like... why is your vote on HF then? It doesn't make any sense.
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I think that was before I actually started shitting town rainbows and making sense ^
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I honestly don't know why that crap is still a point though because I've adequately explained it away several times about ritoky voting on a towny with his scum reads looking bad
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On December 19 2014 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
this game feels so fucking peaceful when it's full of actual content and reads btw so i might just afk when sicklucker/lian turn up with their usual shit
QFT
I've wasted too much breath with ironclad logic and people aren't giving shit so I'd rather have fun with interactions instead of bringing newer and newer content.
If I'm not mafia, HF, who would you say it might be the remaining scums?
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On December 19 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:59 Xatalos wrote:On December 19 2014 01:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 19 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
What is this about vote consolidation over 24 hrs before eod? What is this about criticizing someone for sticking with a read that they feel more sure of? Is everyone in this thread high? If xata sticks with one scumread over another at eod , in a race against someone he is not reading as scum, then you have a case. you guys make no sense to me. i think that lurking players could be scum too.
Yay lynch the lurkers. yet ill still try to lynch someone im more certain of first. how is that scummy so long as end game im willing to adjust to try to lynch the most likely scum who has a possibility of being lynched? Why dont you guys try to lynch me for the same thing youre badgering xata about?
And everyone is conveniently ignoring xatas point that vivax first argues scum acting like obvious scum then flips and says they never would. i dont even -_- I do not want another lynch like the one that happened the other day where I almost died. I want a nice consolidated thread where I know where everyone lies and for what reasons so that I can judge them on what they are posting. There's nothing wrong with consolidating at 24 hours, 12 hours, 1 hour if you have cases on 2 people. That read on gb has been out there for ages and my templar one has only just come up. Literally all of my templar case is damning but he says it's more of an overall case rather than someone doing scummy things outright but doesn't really explain how it's like that at all when it's not. There should be no difference between the 2 cases if they both look like mafia because 1 has done stupid retarded shit all game and the other has done scummy tootling along in the thread things, both are scummy but he tries to assign different levels of scummyness to people that are just scummy. What's the point other than trying to over explain why you are on someone rather than the other? There isn't really at all. If you have 3 people who look like scum and you get to decide the lynch, do you just randomize the lynch? I didn't think so. I just wouldn't really care who gets lynched and for all I care flipping a coin on them would be the best way to choose.
Haha. I doubt you'd end up in a situation where 3 people would look 100% equally scummy. Everyone has preferences even if the differences aren't that great.
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On December 19 2014 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
this game feels so fucking peaceful when it's full of actual content and reads btw so i might just afk when sicklucker/lian turn up with their usual shit QFT I've wasted too much breath with ironclad logic and people aren't giving shit so I'd rather have fun with interactions instead of bringing newer and newer content. If I'm not mafia, HF, who would you say it might be the remaining scums?
templar/oats/xata
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and no gb your logic wasn't ironclad in the slightest seeing as it's totally wrong
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although xata is seemingly the weakest and only just really formed from his posting recently
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On December 19 2014 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
and no gb your logic wasn't ironclad in the slightest seeing as it's totally wrong
Nah, don't worry, I'm okay with it, I'm not going to push you anymore because I'm lacking energy / motivation to do so.
I'd rather debate with you about who is mafia in case you really die and flip green, so I can sheep you, as I've promised before.
If you have posted why you think Xata is scum, I didn't see it, so if you could summarise it to me, I'd appreciate.
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On December 19 2014 02:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:On December 19 2014 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
this game feels so fucking peaceful when it's full of actual content and reads btw so i might just afk when sicklucker/lian turn up with their usual shit QFT I've wasted too much breath with ironclad logic and people aren't giving shit so I'd rather have fun with interactions instead of bringing newer and newer content. If I'm not mafia, HF, who would you say it might be the remaining scums? templar/oats/xata
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having a preference on which mafia to lynch when there should be no preference if he agrees with my case and i'm his town read, there's literally no contest to my case it's pretty much open and close!
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I mean like I was thinking to myself about gb right and I was like... yeh he's just genuinely awful a lot of the time. Then the more and more confirmation biased he became and the more wifom he decided to direct into me being mafia the more just awful he seemed instead of scummy because he actually believes his shit is ironclad when it's impossible to be
then i looked at templar and i was like fuck that guy is mafia let's lynch him
and here we are
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even now i reckon gb is writhing in his seat like omg omg omg holy said i was his scum read omg he's so mafia now omg and i bet he's writing out some post about it too being all happy that he's caught me in some other lie as if i'd forgotten what i've typed all game
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On December 19 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
I mean like I was thinking to myself about gb right and I was like... yeh he's just genuinely awful a lot of the time. Then the more and more confirmation biased he became and the more wifom he decided to direct into me being mafia the more just awful he seemed instead of scummy because he actually believes his shit is ironclad when it's impossible to be
then i looked at templar and i was like fuck that guy is mafia let's lynch him
and here we are
How do you explain these things from an awful town GB?
1) Repeatedly fishing for roles
2) Being reluctant to lynch ritoky/KSC and continuing his bad tunnel on you when they're in danger, but at other times not seeming so confident in that read (during the discussion of you being shot for example)
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On December 19 2014 02:25 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
I mean like I was thinking to myself about gb right and I was like... yeh he's just genuinely awful a lot of the time. Then the more and more confirmation biased he became and the more wifom he decided to direct into me being mafia the more just awful he seemed instead of scummy because he actually believes his shit is ironclad when it's impossible to be
then i looked at templar and i was like fuck that guy is mafia let's lynch him
and here we are How do you explain these things from an awful town GB? 1) Repeatedly fishing for roles 2) Being reluctant to lynch ritoky/KSC and continuing his bad tunnel on you when they're in danger, but at other times not seeming so confident in that read (during the discussion of you being shot for example)
I highlighted the word for you. If gb doesn't end up voting templar he's literally mafia though. There's absolutely no reason not to be on templar right now even after he said my case was actually good and he knows it will be the person that will be lynched at the end of the day because i'm pushing it.
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On December 17 2014 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:
STOP!
HAMMERTIME!
SL, Vivax, lian, ritoky
Get rekt.
what happened to these gb?
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On December 19 2014 01:33 Half the Sky wrote:
SL - read your post top of page 200.
- Your third quote from GB - he's using setup here. Anything setup related is entirely speculative. Vivax (I believe it was him) provided an alternative setup to that, so I'm not sure how setup implicates anyone or provides alignment indicative information. I don't think your post is a very strong one when you try and use that.
Holyflare, regarding your case page 201.
- Generally speaking I didn't like how Templar wasn't participatory and had a weaker scumread on him as of last cycle
- The case you have on Templar is very solid altogether, especially using the meta to back it up.
Both appear to have different styles of playing scum in the cases illustrated, and I would think not all scum are going play the same way on a single scum team. I made that point in Student Mafia IV that it was more unlikely that all scummers would play the same way, with two of them out of the way in this game, it is a reasonable assumption here assuming 3 remain.
I could vote for either GB or Templar based on what has been presented.
(Sidenotes:
HF - 10/10 on the contract lol
Vivax - did you really have to post that visual on page 203? ugh)
Can you give me a brief summary in own words of why you think that GB is scum?
On December 19 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:17 Vivax wrote:I won't fall for the indemnification part, you vote em or I lynch you  you bad at law bro, the indemnification part is so you can't do anything to me after the contract has ended or claim for things that arose out of the contract
Yeah it's a pain to read -.-'
On December 19 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote:
While we're at it, Vivax, why is YOUR vote on your "weakest scumread"?
Oh come on dude. Are you serious? I'm discussing with you to get onto Templar, next thing you do is point out the next best thing you can call an inconsistency
On December 19 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote:
While we're at it, Vivax, why is YOUR vote on your "weakest scumread"?
Oh come on dude. Are you serious? I'm discussing with you to get onto Templar, next thing you do is point out the next best thing you can call an inconsistency.
Ok, serious face. Why is my vote on HF? Cause I voted for him before. Does it matter it's still there when I'm talking about switching to Templar? Your guess? Or did you think I'd keep my vote on HF until EoD after asking you to switch your vote to Templar and that I want a consolidated wagon on him and you could help at that cause.
On December 19 2014 01:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 00:58 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos is clearly squirming after saying that the only reason he prefers GB is that he's pushing scum agenda "more openly", cause it's very important to put an end to his poisonous thread influence while templar doesn't do anything of the sort and only scums in silence, so he deserves to live a bit longer (lol).
Xata if you were town it would be in your best interest to vote Templar cause he's likely to gain more traction than GB which would also prevent your townread HF from being lynched, and yet now you put it like you have reasons to believe one is more likely scum than the other??? What's giving you the feel that Templar could be town?
Nothing, but ... (insert your excuse here) Ugh.... It feels like you make less and less sense each day. It's not like I have a huge preference between them. Let me ask you a question: there are players A and B, both of whom look like scum. You think A has done more scummy things and should have slight preference. However, you're willing to lynch both of them. Now why would you put down your vote on B first? You can just consolidate on B later if needed.
You didn't say you found GB scummier you said "GB is pushing scum agenda in the thread while Templar isn't".
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On December 19 2014 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:33 Half the Sky wrote:
SL - read your post top of page 200.
- Your third quote from GB - he's using setup here. Anything setup related is entirely speculative. Vivax (I believe it was him) provided an alternative setup to that, so I'm not sure how setup implicates anyone or provides alignment indicative information. I don't think your post is a very strong one when you try and use that.
Holyflare, regarding your case page 201.
- Generally speaking I didn't like how Templar wasn't participatory and had a weaker scumread on him as of last cycle
- The case you have on Templar is very solid altogether, especially using the meta to back it up.
Both appear to have different styles of playing scum in the cases illustrated, and I would think not all scum are going play the same way on a single scum team. I made that point in Student Mafia IV that it was more unlikely that all scummers would play the same way, with two of them out of the way in this game, it is a reasonable assumption here assuming 3 remain.
I could vote for either GB or Templar based on what has been presented.
(Sidenotes:
HF - 10/10 on the contract lol
Vivax - did you really have to post that visual on page 203? ugh) Can you give me a brief summary in own words of why you think that GB is scum? Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 19 2014 01:17 Vivax wrote:I won't fall for the indemnification part, you vote em or I lynch you you bad at law bro, the indemnification part is so you can't do anything to me after the contract has ended or claim for things that arose out of the contract Yeah it's a pain to read -.-' Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote:
While we're at it, Vivax, why is YOUR vote on your "weakest scumread"? Oh come on dude. Are you serious? I'm discussing with you to get onto Templar, next thing you do is point out the next best thing you can call an inconsistency Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote:
While we're at it, Vivax, why is YOUR vote on your "weakest scumread"? Oh come on dude. Are you serious? I'm discussing with you to get onto Templar, next thing you do is point out the next best thing you can call an inconsistency. Ok, serious face. Why is my vote on HF? Cause I voted for him before. Does it matter it's still there when I'm talking about switching to Templar? Your guess? Or did you think I'd keep my vote on HF until EoD after asking you to switch your vote to Templar and that I want a consolidated wagon on him and you could help at that cause. Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:54 Xatalos wrote:On December 19 2014 00:58 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos is clearly squirming after saying that the only reason he prefers GB is that he's pushing scum agenda "more openly", cause it's very important to put an end to his poisonous thread influence while templar doesn't do anything of the sort and only scums in silence, so he deserves to live a bit longer (lol).
Xata if you were town it would be in your best interest to vote Templar cause he's likely to gain more traction than GB which would also prevent your townread HF from being lynched, and yet now you put it like you have reasons to believe one is more likely scum than the other??? What's giving you the feel that Templar could be town?
Nothing, but ... (insert your excuse here) Ugh.... It feels like you make less and less sense each day. It's not like I have a huge preference between them. Let me ask you a question: there are players A and B, both of whom look like scum. You think A has done more scummy things and should have slight preference. However, you're willing to lynch both of them. Now why would you put down your vote on B first? You can just consolidate on B later if needed. You didn't say you found GB scummier you said "GB is pushing scum agenda in the thread while Templar isn't".
Dunno if it didn't get across well but yes, I think GB is more likely to flip scum. It's not like I think they're equally scummy and GB's scum play is more "threatening" or whatever. It's just that there are some things I have very hard time believing town GB could have done whereas there's nothing towny about Templar, but nothing absolutely damning either (although there's a lot of circumstantial scummy stuff from him).
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On December 19 2014 02:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 02:25 Xatalos wrote:On December 19 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
I mean like I was thinking to myself about gb right and I was like... yeh he's just genuinely awful a lot of the time. Then the more and more confirmation biased he became and the more wifom he decided to direct into me being mafia the more just awful he seemed instead of scummy because he actually believes his shit is ironclad when it's impossible to be
then i looked at templar and i was like fuck that guy is mafia let's lynch him
and here we are How do you explain these things from an awful town GB? 1) Repeatedly fishing for roles 2) Being reluctant to lynch ritoky/KSC and continuing his bad tunnel on you when they're in danger, but at other times not seeming so confident in that read (during the discussion of you being shot for example) I highlighted the word for you. If gb doesn't end up voting templar he's literally mafia though. There's absolutely no reason not to be on templar right now even after he said my case was actually good and he knows it will be the person that will be lynched at the end of the day because i'm pushing it.
It's not just that he'd have to be extremely awful as a town player. He'd need to be actively advancing scum's win conditions while being town. No matter how anti-town one may be (see: Kush), it's difficult to believe that he would do everything in his power to make town lose as town.
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