EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 206
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Xatalos
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Vivax
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On December 19 2014 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Well, I guess it's hard to top Kush in being anti-town... Still GB has systematically done similarly big favors for scum if he was town. It's just very hard to believe. In Kush's case it's still somewhat believable since he went full crazy but GB has at least made an effort not to look *that* bad. Can you be more specific? Why is GB a better lynch than Templar? Why has GB done big favors for scum? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On December 19 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote: Can you be more specific? Why is GB a better lynch than Templar? Why has GB done big favors for scum? 1) Role fishing (although not very successful, he has at least reinforced the opinion that there's a merit to claiming roles and perhaps led to some of the role claims so far - which is very useful for the scumteam for several reasons such as aiming NK's and deciding future plans) 2) He's repeatedly attacked HF's credibility for bad reasons and made him into a recurring lynch candidate, even though he's probably just town with some time/post restraints... And then he advocated not shooting HF at night when it could have possibly resolved his long-time tunnel. But it looks like it'd be nicer for him to be able to continue that tunnel. And of course that'd be nice for the whole scumteam as well. (this is assuming that HF is town, but there's also the weirder scenario where they're both scum and GB's goal has been to bring down HF's credibility so that it's not weird for him to live so long... lol) | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
##vote: The_templar | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On December 19 2014 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote: Sheepalfeast awakens! ##vote: The_templar rofl I don't even know anymore | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Push a lynch on me, it'll make finding scum a lot easier | ||
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Vivax
21769 Posts
On December 19 2014 03:08 Xatalos wrote: 1) Role fishing (although not very successful, he has at least reinforced the opinion that there's a merit to claiming roles and perhaps led to some of the role claims so far - which is very useful for the scumteam for several reasons such as aiming NK's and deciding future plans) 2) He's repeatedly attacked HF's credibility for bad reasons and made him into a recurring lynch candidate, even though he's probably just town with some time/post restraints... And then he advocated not shooting HF at night when it could have possibly resolved his long-time tunnel. But it looks like it'd be nicer for him to be able to continue that tunnel. And of course that'd be nice for the whole scumteam as well. (this is assuming that HF is town, but there's also the weirder scenario where they're both scum and GB's goal has been to bring down HF's credibility so that it's not weird for him to live so long... lol) Maybe he genuinely thinks that a massclaim can solve the game, I don't see how that's necessarily a scum point. Attacking HF's credibility..Well, until we know what HF is for sure we can only speculate about the motivation. GB might actually have done all that as town, and HF maybe is town too! I fail to see how these reasons make you more confident into GB when HF just posted way more about Templar than what you are listing here about GB. For the case that this isn't everything you find GB scummy for, why not post all at once if you want him lynched? That would be a display of passive play from your side. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
I don't see how having more arguments necessarily means that the overall case is better. Quality over quantity. Can you describe the strongest arguments for Templar being scum in your own words? If you convince me, then I promise to advocate lynching Templar from now on. To everyone still voting HF: do you really think he's scum over GB/Templar? | ||
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Holyflare
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Its not quite a lurker push but its closeish. Ill take a closer look when i have a comp and can really see what youre digging into. on the surface however i wouldnt quite call it open and shut so youll have to let me investigate on my own a bit before id push templar over gb. also interested in vivas case/reasons. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 19 2014 06:54 rsoultin wrote: You made some good points in your case and i dont mind joining you on it once it comes closer to lynch time or once im in a position to fact check it convinces me hes more likely to flip scum. i will say hpwever that part of the meta section was really hard to read/understand and seemed contradictory on your part (not just his). Like you were saying that he doesnt play this way as scum or town? Or was the point that his description of his own meta was erroneous? Its not quite a lurker push but its closeish. Ill take a closer look when i have a comp and can really see what youre digging into. on the surface however i wouldnt quite call it open and shut so youll have to let me investigate on my own a bit before id push templar over gb. also interested in vivas case/reasons. That part just outlined that in comparison to his other games he was lower content but the rest of it proved that it made no difference because the style is the same. It's not a good meta if you don't have the comparison. | ||
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rsoultin
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Like im working under the assumption there is 6 mafia or maybe more in this game theres too many scummy people. hts, templar, holyflare ,oats I have each of these as like 90% scum or a role. and theirs xata and putin who have not really proved their town to me. On December 19 2014 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I was under the assumption you'd instantly vote for templar after agreeing with the case. It's what I expect everyone to do, yet I don't really see anyone doing it. Strange (not really because he's mafia). It's no question on who to vote for you because you just shouldn't give a shit if the cases are that good it's just lynching between 2 mafia. I dont like this post of his. If we kill outside of holyflare I want it to be oats or preferably hts I think just because holy isint pushing them... There all mafia to me | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
"I don't think hf is town anymore though for no reason because he made a good case" "i dont want to lynch templar even though i think hf is bussing" ????????????? do you ever think what you write through | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 19 2014 02:17 Holyflare wrote: even now i reckon gb is writhing in his seat like omg omg omg holy said i was his scum read omg he's so mafia now omg and i bet he's writing out some post about it too being all happy that he's caught me in some other lie as if i'd forgotten what i've typed all game Accurate description. I'm impressed that it took you this long for you to read me as this, because: 1) I went against one of the most strong and persuasive players in the game where no one was caring about you 2) I've generated newer and original content. If it's right or wrong, it really doesn't matter because this is a town trait. 3) I've questioned ritoky in a way that he was caught in a lie. Although I didn't followed up properly, I would never question a scum partner like that without planning it perfectly in the qt 4) A guy just said I was uneasy with lynching people who was mafia (ritoky) and preferred to lynch KSC (Btw, someone pushing this thing is probably mafia lol). You've seen me doing this a ton in games I was town, like the one I defended bats. About those scumreads in red you've quoted, it is associative with you being mafia. Lian was firmly wanting you to get lynched and when I said we should lynch outside the main wagons he turned his attention to oats. Vivax also wanted to lynch oats, if I remember correctly. If the two main wagons was, again, two mafias, people really pushing another lynch looks terrible. I've already rescinded that read on sicklucker I still have no idea why would you keep in secret who you gave your present to. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 19 2014 07:13 sicklucker wrote: At first glance hf pushing voting templar seemed townie to me but I dont think so anymore. But like he has the perfect excuse to vote gb to save himself so why push him. Why not have two options and he might gain templar cred when he dies. Like im working under the assumption there is 6 mafia or maybe more in this game theres too many scummy people. hts, templar, holyflare ,oats I have each of these as like 90% scum or a role. and theirs xata and putin who have not really proved their town to me. I dont like this post of his. If we kill outside of holyflare I want it to be oats or preferably hts I think just because holy isint pushing them... There all mafia to me If HF flips town would like to go ride with me and rsoultin to lynch GB? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Holyflare
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 19 2014 07:33 Holyflare wrote: because that person is very likely town because they sent it to ff so they'd just be a target for nk's and i can keep the name secret to protect them while knowing that they are town and if they get pushed i'll know they are getting pushed as a possible mislynch - most likely. It's like a green check basically. Although I can understand this reasoning, it sounds like bs to me, sorry. If someone starts pushing the guy, it's a null indicative at most, because a townie could always find scummy things in his filter and get the innocent mislynched. The push for a mislynch isn't most likely - it is equally likely, IMO. It doesn't matter if the guy who doesn't have the present anymore to be night killed. I don't understand this. It is more I portent for us to know who to push and if you say it can confirm the guys innocence, well, you should just say it so we can narrow our lynch targets. You see, I don't understand. I genuinely believe roles are shit unless for claiming purposes. What did you get from Santa? A check on FF who could be GF. What did you get from the vigi? A shot on a townie. How many saves nigella got or how many roleblocks? Probably none since I'm sure obi was roleblocked. Now, how many scums did we lynch with THE HOLY POWER OF VOTING? Answer: 2. Voting and narrowing our targets > power roles | ||
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GlowingBear
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