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On December 16 2014 08:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:On December 16 2014 08:46 ritoky wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
suboptimally Well no point in waiting until I am lynched or it is the end of the game to get flamed for playing like an idiot and probably single-handedly losing the game for town. I straight up lied about being roleblocked, and I straight up lied about shooting last night. I didn't shoot anyone. I didn't read the rules clearly enough, and I attempted to hold my shot assuming that I would be roleblocked and not killed by mafia since I was a clear ML target. I was right on the grounds that I was not killed, not a clue if I was rb'd. I was wrong in that I didn't read clearly enough that I couldn't hold my shot. After the phase expired it was gone, and my posting in the thread has gone down because my anger has gone up. I said a bunch of random shit and lies to try and explain it away because I was already upset with myself and didn't really wanna be flamed for how piss poor I am playing. Here is me being a jackass and explaining the lesson I learned to someone in the thread: On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. And there's me trying to figure out who the hell to claim a fake shot on cuz I have no fucking clue what to do at this point. So yes, I played suboptimally, in fact probably abysmally. Sorry to those of you who are town, I have probably cost us the game, you can flame me now or after the game; I don't care, I deserve it. I understand that you all probably have to vote on me because I lied too much about stupid shit that I probably shouldn't have; but know you'll be lynching a town who hammered the mafia last phase. My bad. For those of you who are going to say "LOL THIS GUY CAN'T BE THIS DUMB". Take pause for a moment before you finish that thought. are you purposefully trying to get lynched before HF for some reason??? is HF mass murderer??? i reject your implied premise that i am mafia
i'm calling it now u hf xat mafia
we'll find the 5th if there is one after all of them are dead.
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On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:
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Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't.
Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all.
HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously.
I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote.
"if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now.
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On December 16 2014 08:55 sicklucker wrote:
Hf being mass murderer makes sense. Its the only mafia motivation to claim a present so late because if that present helps town we can esentially conform him. So Basically it buys him a day. That being said it totally bought him a day lets not lynch holy its just risking 1kp for a confirmed town even trade.
I don't understand why you're even saying theres a mass murderer now but still implying damdred died to a present n1 which means mafia has held their mass murderer kp for 2 nights according to you.
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On December 16 2014 08:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:46 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 08:42 sicklucker wrote:On December 16 2014 08:40 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 08:29 The_Templar wrote:On December 16 2014 08:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 16 2014 08:25 The_Templar wrote:
Wait wait wait, so Tubesock is saying that Holyflare, who is town, is giving Tubesock, who is mafia, a present? Fixed based on the majority thinking of the situation. I didn't word that very well- I'm seeing it from his perspective here. According to him, Holyflare is mafia who game town a present, which makes very little sense... I am saying Mafia Holyflare is setting up an excuse to night kill a town by saying it was the death present. He isn't sending any gift. Gifts can not be verified or confirmed. It's simply smoke and mirrors. Like no hes not. No one would even believe that. Your the only one who wont admit besides overwhelming evidence that I had the death present. No, you "claiming" to give a present to Damdred and him being killed is not evidence of you having the death present. It's smoke and mirrors. We only know when you flip. Same with Holyflare. ##Vote: Holyflare If SL is mafia, and knows he gave damdred the death present; then why would HF who you think is mafia, give a present, that he KNOWS is beneficial to town, to a town?
I'm saying Sicklucker never had a present to send. It can not be verified or confirmed. It's smoke and mirrors. It's cover for a mafia hit.
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On December 16 2014 09:00 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
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I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time.
If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all. HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously. I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote. "if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now.
Then stop trying to have a fucking discussion with me if you aren't going to listen. You're literally just saying you are having a discussion with me for no reason if you are saying there's no conditional for me being town. I've posted the above like 4 times and it's frustrating that you aren't listening.
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So both these guys claim to have wasted their presents and the only one we have killed poor little dandred this is so frustrating if there town. Like why does mafia even claim it. It makes some sense for holy to buy him a day but it just makes no sense for ritoky I hate this we might be lynching a town.
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On December 16 2014 06:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 06:44 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ritoky may have stepped in it hm? He still hasnt bothered to claim who he tried to shoot. Sad. He only had to keep his details super general and he wouldnt have been caught. No problem with voting one of my only 2 strong scum reads from day 2. No problem at all.
if weve got something wrong, rit, now is the time to defend yourself. id suggest a defense that doesnt involve presents ^^ Will vote when i get home from work I shot you
Then we definitely do not get notifications, because I was happily oblivious to people taking shots at me xP Obliiiivious. Or at least people getting shot at are happily oblivious lol.
You have a reason for shooting at me, rit, that you'd like to share? Assuming you're town I would expect a scumread. Give me your read.  That said, I do find it flattering that someone I perceive to be scum is trying to kill me. A nice compliment, that.
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On December 16 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:00 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
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You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case.
And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did.
I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway?
and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all. HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously. I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote. "if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now. Then stop trying to have a fucking discussion with me if you aren't going to listen. You're literally just saying you are having a discussion with me for no reason if you are saying there's no conditional for me being town. I've posted the above like 4 times and it's frustrating that you aren't listening.
Fair enough.
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On December 16 2014 09:03 liancourt wrote:
scum HF causing disarray in town
Just fuck off seriously you're actually worse than gb today with your one track mindedness and that's saying something.
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Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this.
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On December 16 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:Just fuck off seriously you're actually worse than gb today with your one track mindedness and that's saying something.
He is right though.
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Im saying if ritoky flips mafia that it should clear gb for everyone I dont think you can dispute my logic. I feel better about this lynch now since we can confirm someone high on everyones lynch list.
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Actually either way gb is town. A mafia would never send a present to a town if ritoky flips town. Hf do you disagree I wanna talk to you about this.
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On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this.
I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious?
Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB?
Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you.
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On December 16 2014 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
Im saying if ritoky flips mafia that it should clear gb for everyone I dont think you can dispute my logic. I feel better about this lynch now since we can confirm someone high on everyones lynch list.
If they are mafia together...? Like i said yesterday and you said was silly for no reason?? They just pass it between each other? Gb passed it to his null read after all.
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On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you.
Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes
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Ride or die with gb. Anyone dispute my reasoning? Come at me
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I do actually have a case...ironically with more than just a few points and only town gives town presents argument. Are people willing to entertain a case against GB or should I reserve it for the night phase, before I'm possibly shot at again?
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On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes
Can you link me this other game please
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