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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:18 Vivax wrote: 7 to 6 Xata votes, it's 8 to 6 Trfel switches, it's 7 to 7 Obi votes last making 8 to 7 The guy who achieves majority first gets lynched, so Obi voted when Kels was set to get lynched. Except I could've voted Holyflare. So I still hammered. Smd. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Viva, you're grasping at straws it seems. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:18 Vivax wrote: 7 to 6 Xata votes, it's 8 to 6 Trfel switches, it's 7 to 7 Obi votes last making 8 to 7 The guy who achieves majority first gets lynched, so Obi voted when Kels was set to get lynched. KSC had his vote on FF the entire time, so he could have saved himself even with OWS' vote right? | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Except I could've voted Holyflare. So I still hammered. Smd. You're right I didn't consider that. I did consider it for Xata though but he positioned himself in a way that didn't allow him to vote for HF. If I look at your posts pre-deadline though, it looks like you ninja voted KSC? Why not post anything in the thread, you posted some theory about HF being scum with Oats previously. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:22 rsoultin wrote: Well...technically ritoky was the hammer vote. He was #7. But OWS was right. If Xata hadn't switched, and Trfel still did, without those two the lynch on KSC wouldn't have happened. Viva, you're grasping at straws it seems. I don't care, I'm posting at night, I'm sharing my thoughts, I don't care how wrong I am or how bad they look, anyone who knows my scum play (diplomatic, kinda active D1 and then I become super inactive) knows that this is town me and not scum me, plus I'm going to claim a role of which we know there's only one at day start. Suck it up. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I asked for the cases because I had no way of reading them fast enough to make a proper decision unless they were right in front of me. I liked the KSC case more, so I voted him. You can reread my voting theory if you want, because I don't want to waste posts repeating it. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:29 Vivax wrote: I don't care, I'm posting at night, I'm sharing my thoughts, I don't care how wrong I am or how bad they look, anyone who knows my scum play (diplomatic, kinda active D1 and then I become super inactive) knows that this is town me and not scum me, plus I'm going to claim a role of which we know there's only one at day start. Suck it up. No such role exists. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:24 batsnacks wrote: KSC had his vote on FF the entire time, so he could have saved himself even with OWS' vote right? Yes and both mafia and town should have assumed this. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:32 sicklucker wrote: Yes and both mafia and town should have assumed this. So like why didn't he? KSC was in the thread posting, hospital or no. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Doubt if he's town that mafia will off him either. This will be an ongoing argument until he either flips or game ends. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Is there any chance we ever move past the Hf being scum line of thinking? Yes of course. Awesome things can happen tormorow | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
The argument that HF never would seem like scum as scum is so WIFOM it's just...bleh | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:39 rsoultin wrote: The argument that HF never would seem like scum as scum is so WIFOM it's just...bleh It's not wifom it's just bad. But no one is saying that? And if they did I forgot about it because it's bad. I'm just saying KSC was here and posting at a time when he could have saved himself from a lynch. I think it's weird that he didn't. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Vivax Vivax seems... strange. I'm not really sure what to make of it. The first thing to note is, he has been making a lot of reads. From looking at his filter, here's what I found. + Show Spoiler [Vivax's Reads] + suspicious of 27ninjabunnies suspicious of ritoky suspicious of Tubesock suspicious of KelsierSC suspicious of Xatalos suspicious of rsoultin no longer suspicious of Xatalos suspicious of batsnacks less suspicious of batsnacks suspicious of Fecalfeast suspicious of Trfel suspicious of GlowingBear suspicious of The_Templar suspicious of Oatsmaster suspicious of Holyflare suspicious of Xatalos I think that this is just a playstyle, and not a sign of being mafia. It's not good or bad. Also, his reads are all well-explained and what he is doing makes sense to me. Really, I don't see any signs of him being scum here. Except, his play leading up to the day 2 lynch deadline has felt a bit off to me. On page 120, GlowingBear posts Part 2 of his case on Holyflare. The full case summary is posted on page 121. On page 122, I post a case on KelsierSC. Vivax posts a few pages after this, but doesn't respond to either case. Then he mentions the Holyflare case on page 125 and says he is tempted to go for it, and then votes for Holyflare on page 126. No mention of the KelsierSC case at all, despite being suspicious of him earlier in the game. On page 129, I post a response to GlowingBear's case, hoping for a response from one of the GlowingBear voters. Vivax posts like this: On December 14 2014 07:34 Vivax wrote: Lynch HF On December 14 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote: Cause I read his post and it convinced me, nothing else really. No reference at all to the KelsierSC case, no original reasons for lynching Holyflare, no response to the criticism I presented of the Holyflare case, no sign of the critical thinking and analytical Vivax that I saw throughout the rest of the game. The only town explanation I can come up with for Vivax is that he was reading sporadically and missed my repeated questions on GlowingBear's case, and really was that convinced by GlowingBear's case that he didn't mention the KelsierSC case in an attempt to gather support for lynching Holyflare instead. I'm very hesitant to call Vivax mafia for this. It's the only suspicious thing I see in his filter, while the rest of his play seems to be searching for mafia and being constructive. In the end I leave him at null/town, but he is definitely on my watch list. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ batsnacks It's sort of the same thing for batsnacks. The fact that I tried to get batsnacks lynched last game for not providing scumreads and him ending up being town is still heavily in the back of my mind. So I'm not going to try and get a read on him, but here's some thoughts. Batsnacks makes an early read on Half the Sky, and his reasons for this read have been heavily criticized. I still think this read makes him seem a bit towny, but I could be wrong. His push on LightningStrike is good, too. Batsnacks clearly noticed that I posted a case on KelsierSC, and he put KelsierSC into his "would lynch" list. His vote remained on Holyflare, and he seemed desperate to get people to switch from KelsierSC to Holyflare. He never provided comments on the KelsierSC case, either. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ GlowingBear I don't have a big read on GlowingBear yet. I am just including him here because he pushed on Holyflare over KelsierSC, and it would seem incomplete if I mentioned Vivax and batsnacks without mentioning GlowingBear. The main reason I find GlowingBear's push on Holyflare instead of KelsierSC less suspicious than the two previous cases is that GlowingBear acknowledged the KelsierSC case and said that he was fine with a KelsierSC lynch. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Fecalfeast I've been defending Fecalfeast a bit throughout day 2. I suppose that was the first controversial read I made all game, since I only started seriously being suspicious of KelsierSC midway through day 2. Anyway, I maintain that Fecalfeast's play seems to be poor town instead of inactive mafia. He should be on a relatively short leash, though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ sicklucker I said I wouldn't make meta reads. Well, here's a meta read. The main reason is because I tend to have trouble understanding sicklucker's arguments, so I usually somewhat ignore him. Usually, sicklucker is constantly posting and providing tons of different thoughts. Last game, he said that he likes to make fast reads and he was making reads all over the place. One example of that is when I posted a long post on batsnacks, sicklucker responded “I haven't read your post yet, but you are so town for writing that up”. This game, he has definitely done weird things and made a lot of posts, but they are all related to setup, presents, and roles. Very few reads. I don't think it makes sicklucker scum, but I don't see him as a sure town like some other people do. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Then there's the arguments between Vivax and Xatalos, and GlowingBear and Holyflare. I haven't put enough time into the recent development of those cases, so I don't feel that I have a right to offer an opinion of those cases at the moment. I hope to look heavily into those tomorrow. In case I die, good luck and happy scumhunting! | ||
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liancourt
1563 Posts
seeing how hf flips will give more insight on how ppl voted end of day 2. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Day 3 You better watch out You better not cry Better not pout I'm telling you why Santa Claus is coming to town Trfel the Santa is dead ObiWanShinobi the Arnold is dead It is now Day 3. Night comes in . Good Luck | ||
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