VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint

On November 19 2014 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
pre-game excuses: I do not have access to TL while at work, so if I'm working I will only be able to play 2-3 hours in the evening max. Thankfully this coincides with the deadline so at least I'm able to be around when it counts. My schedule (this week) is Friday to Tuesday.

On November 20 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
that post is a good post rayn

On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:


are you dense or some shit? read the thread

On November 20 2014 19:58 The_Templar wrote:

I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia.

On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie.

On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare.

On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:




If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!?

either you:

1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy)

or

2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME



if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia

On November 21 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:


.... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people

where is your case??

On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:
I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again.

Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.

VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player


Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah!


I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly.

So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off?



Which of these is the lie? Also





I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town.


This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler.


I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds.

Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.

On November 21 2014 02:02 Damdred wrote:
@Rayn, why would the first thing you post be a long post to HF about his interaction with another player rather than your promised case? Especially when you are so firm in that templars is mafia?

On November 21 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:



This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy

On November 21 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote:

HF's read on me is based entirely on my answering VE's case. wtf rayn. Also, your timeline picture is wrong on templar. He literally links the post "this post is based on". Its the one directly before his own.

On November 21 2014 02:20 Hopeless1der wrote:

The reason was VE's argument was bad. Shitty example: It'd be like me saying "GB says the sky is green". Do you need to wait for GB to come in and tell you I lied? p.s. wheres GB

On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:

Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less.

On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.

I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity

On November 21 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?

On November 21 2014 02:41 The_Templar wrote:

I don't know Rayn, it was 4am

On November 21 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote:


This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened

On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY.

He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies.

On November 21 2014 02:44 The_Templar wrote:

Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.

On November 21 2014 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn whats your read on chez based on?

On November 21 2014 02:52 Holyflare wrote:


The qt thing was scummy because it was wrong so hopeless' response is irrelevant and was bolstering on top of ve's already wrong exaggerated accusations. I don't care about a players response when someone is pushing a scummy agenda to get that response.

On November 21 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:


You made it seem like you were referring to ve's original case which hopeless responded to. That's because you ordered your post badly and never referred to the qt thing at all.

On November 21 2014 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
No you didn't at all. The post i quoted only said ve called hopeless scum and i didn't let hopelesa respond. Nothing about qt

On November 21 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote:


This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened

On November 21 2014 03:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Its like rayn and HF swapped places from FFL2

On November 21 2014 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not relevant unless you wanna make a case and lynch him.

On November 21 2014 03:19 sicklucker wrote:
CheZ has not even posted. Your saying you dont have a read on someone who didnt post. Im not buying that man so ya I would love to hear your reason.

On November 21 2014 03:36 Holyflare wrote:
What 2 other things?

On November 21 2014 03:47 Hopeless1der wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that related more to timelines as opposed to content?

On November 21 2014 03:47 Holyflare wrote:
And hopeless' need to justify himself by dissecting everything ve said was scummy because it was an overreaction to something that was bad and not something that is exclusively scummy as I've pointed out all game

On November 21 2014 05:32 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch

On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo.

On November 21 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Towny looking

7. VisceraEyes
6. raynpelikoneet
14. Alakaslam
8. Fecalfeast
4. liancourt

Could be towny
13. ritoky (maybe up a tier)
11. Chezinu (undecided whether up or down so middle but townyISH)


meh
2. The_Templar
3. KillerSOS
5. Hopeless1der
9. sicklucker
10. GlowingBear
12. Damdred


4 mafia is quite large

On November 21 2014 05:52 sicklucker wrote:


How is that relevant. You know I dont know im going by a 1 game sample size your playing similar.

On November 21 2014 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
I told you holy wont commit to a scum read

On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:
I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.

You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf

On November 21 2014 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
wtf is his rule. I asked already I cant help town if i dont know wtf is going on.

On November 21 2014 06:08 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm already sober.
Read what I've brought and give thoughts.

On November 21 2014 06:10 Holyflare wrote:
i dont see how it's out of context in the slightest rayn

On November 21 2014 06:16 Damdred wrote:



Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think

On November 21 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:


the red explains how you want us to disregard anything scummy ve says just because (in the green) you say he has a thought process

On November 21 2014 06:34 sicklucker wrote:


Like we have little "meta" scew meta I just said your playing similar is that not a fair assumption?

On November 21 2014 06:36 sicklucker wrote:
Like obviously if Ive seen both your scum and mafia game I can figure it out better. But seeing just your town game before is something I can go on I dont see the point your trying to make

On November 21 2014 06:45 sicklucker wrote:
I think your proving my point? I know your more likely to bet because you already did (I expect you to play town the same) Its when you fold I get suspicious about your play.

On November 21 2014 06:47 sicklucker wrote:
Like rayn im only level 1 reading you if that makes anysense. I have no reason to make it complex . If game one you play lke town and your confirmed. Then game two you come out and play the same way Isint it logical for me yo think your town?

On November 22 2014 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not dismissing anything. I'm recognizing that no one is interested in lynching my targets and seeking alternative solutions to today's lynch.

You're being ridiculous. Or have I said that already? Teehee. Teeheeheehee.

On November 22 2014 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
kind of like his list would much rather move to damd/sl/hopeless (probably hopeless)

On November 22 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
these things you state are meaningless and don't make anyone mafia rayn

On November 22 2014 07:15 Holyflare wrote:
you can't push anyone for having no reads when your ONLY scum read in your entire filter is templar rayn

On November 22 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:


hehehehehehehehehe

you are retarded

On November 22 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
like you're literally saying that templar is mafia because he has a low amount of reads and then I point out you have a low amount of reads so you are either admitting that you are mafia or that it doesn't actually make him mafia at all

he only has a list of everyone because I told him to make a list of everyone

On November 21 2014 03:45 Hopeless1der wrote:

You didnt literally say "the second one", but when you call Chezinu's vote a pre-game troll, it implies it. VE's read on me is directly based on my questioning Chezinu's pictures. In some way you could say VE's read is because of Chezinu, but you claim chez has done nothing. Theres a gap in reasoning here.

On November 22 2014 19:08 ritoky wrote:


who is calling VE mafia? i think the only person in the game who is calling VE mafia is GB, and that guy is like 95% mafia

On November 22 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
why is hopeless being mafia really likely now..!??!

On November 22 2014 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
i just don't get the same feeling on templar rayn i dunno what to say, he didn't vote for a town read at all and he only posted null reads because I asked him to post about everyone

On November 21 2014 02:41 The_Templar wrote:

I don't know Rayn, it was 4am

On November 21 2014 02:44 The_Templar wrote:

Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.

On November 22 2014 21:12 Hopeless1der wrote:

Rayn am I stupid for thinking HF bringing up killers role is scmum?

On November 22 2014 21:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
He is using a flipped blue to further bury me. It's feels similar to what he said about VE using QTs to call me scum and that he's just burying me with inconsequential shit.

On November 22 2014 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
So Killer was a bad lynch? Afk into excuses into ptomises into afk? Really?

On November 22 2014 21:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Pretty much out of range now. Later.

On November 22 2014 22:10 The_Templar wrote:

I most certainly did not.

On November 22 2014 22:25 The_Templar wrote:

Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do.

On November 22 2014 22:28 The_Templar wrote:

Because I really didn't remember and I was never going to convince you of that. Lying was forced

On November 21 2014 07:44 The_Templar wrote:
[...]
AFAIK Rayn always plays like this so I am still reading him as null. He is probably the only person I will check through a previous game of, preferably one of his games as mafia so I can see any differences.
[...]

On November 22 2014 22:41 The_Templar wrote:

Do you really think I was trying to convince you? If I wanted to, I would have argued for four hours instead.

On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though...

On November 22 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:

Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game?

On November 22 2014 22:57 The_Templar wrote:

Which I made very clear was a pressure vote.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not seeing this, sorry.

I made a pretty thorough case on him and maintained my opinion. How does everyone ignoring me make me mafia?

I didn't sheep my town read because I didn't agree with him. I don't see why that's a huge issue.

On November 22 2014 23:13 The_Templar wrote:

Didn't realize I'd be lynching mafia halfway into the day.


What planet do you live on where this is an absolute? I intended people to consider my reads before blindly agreeing/disagreeing with me, I am not going to say "ignore me" in my opening post.


Why do I have to agree with either of them? I lynched based on MY OWN OPINION.

On November 22 2014 23:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh my god Rayn I can't believe you can't see VE's posts through a mafia perspective.
Like, seriously. I may be wrong on VE, of course I may be. But you're not considering looking his posts through another POV.

On November 22 2014 23:32 GlowingBear wrote:
I read damdred as town and hopeless as leaning scum.

On November 23 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:


I bet the vigi won't shoot you. He has no motive to do so.

On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:


Absolutely just no wtf is this.

You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf

THEN you say that I FUCKED UP??????????????????????????????????????????????????????




I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran.

On November 23 2014 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:


Now kiss.

Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another?

We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here

On November 23 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
yeh I didn't like it all because he maintained that he didn't lie about anything and then said he was forced to lie

On November 23 2014 02:42 sicklucker wrote:
In slams defense its really hard to sheep any vets right now... your like in a four man free for all

On November 23 2014 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
im sitting here saying slam, gb and hopeless are mafiaish and rayn is saying its templar and now you're agreeing with absolutely everything?!?!?

On November 23 2014 03:01 sicklucker wrote:
Im finding it easier after this vote rayn. But last night it was alot harder in the group I consider vets. you, holy, hopeless, ve Everyone of you had a strong mafia read on another. You cant all be right

On November 23 2014 03:33 sicklucker wrote:
You have to take some of the blame here rayn you came off really pushy. I think all the inexperienced players are really confused and intimidated by the day 1 play. Unlike in the newbie game where I instantly sheeped you theirs other strong overconfident town egos here. In the other game you were a clear cut leader, in this game their were multiple.

On November 23 2014 17:53 liancourt wrote:
Ve rit rayn town

gb damd sl null

temp slam ff chezinu scum

On November 23 2014 13:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok town, ok going to sleep. In case I die:
Lynch VE
Lynch FF
Lynch Hopeless, maybe (I don't know, I feel he is scummy but there is something making me hesitant to lynch him. Maybe it's because one scumread of mine [VE] was pushing him since the beginning)

Take a look at: Rayn, sick lucker, Ritoky

Constantly reevaluate HF. See if he is having double standards. If yes, he might be mafia. But he looks townie until now.

Good night.

On November 23 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:


Well, I was the only one hesitant to lynch hopeless and he flipped town. Maybe my reads are not that shifty.

I have no idea why you want to lynch slam.

On November 23 2014 20:50 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm probably with you on Templar. I've pointed out some odd behaviours of him at night and now that you claim being saved, I'm more comfortable with cooperativ with you.

On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.

On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:

regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner

On November 25 2014 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

Whoa whoa whoa....how does your claim in any way affect mine?

On November 25 2014 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn how do you feel about templar and gb being a scum team? Is this like a set thing for you or do you think theirs a chance one is town.

On November 26 2014 16:19 Chezinu wrote:

WOW! Impressive. you actually noticed my list claim earlier. I place you with VE now.

On November 26 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:
It actually doesn't matter if he is confirmed mafia right now to be honest, because we don't have a strong idea of who are his partners.

Killing the confirmed mafia right now isn't that good because we know what is going to happen at night. Ritoky will be roleblocked and VE will die. We will be in the same situation we are in now in the next day.

We should risk lynching other player trying to find the roleblocker instead lynching Chez today. If we manage to kill the roleblocker, game is solved: ritoky saves VE, VE shoots Chez and we just have to figure out the other two

On November 26 2014 21:19 ritoky wrote:
@rayn and VE: what do you think of these two people who claimed roleblocks?

FF claimed roleblock n1
SL claimed roleblock n2

if both are town, then we have 5 town and game is auto, do you believe their claims?

On November 27 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually said we don't have strong reads. I didn't say we don't have a grasp of who is mafia.

And we will still have this uncertainty day4

So I would rather risk and try to lynch the roleblocker instead. Which is slam or SL (probably more likely to be SL but too risky to lynch him IMO)

On November 27 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not calling you bad, I'm saying you're not playing this game at your level. It's a shame that you still have no idea that I'm town.

On November 27 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:


...

Roleblocker is killed, vigi shoots, we can afford a mislynch day4

But whatever, I'm lynching slam, chez or SL today. Whatever town decides

On November 27 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:


...

Roleblocker is killed, vigi shoots, we can afford a mislynch day4

But whatever, I'm lynching slam, chez or SL today. Whatever town decides

On November 27 2014 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:
BUT if I had to pick one, I would pick two: you and ritoky, and chez would be medic.

Very very very unlikable, btw...

On November 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Think of it this way, Rayn: why would I, as mafia, say that I'm only afraid of lynching Damdred? Why would I doubt sicklucker's claim? Why would I be so open to do that mafia list?

I believe more in your claim than in Chez claim. But I find bizarre that you had no reaction to it.
But I still believe in yours because I can see more of a scum chez than a scum Ritoky.