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On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141
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I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.
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so mafia seems to have won 2 of the last games. Town playing so bad. So much salt in the thread to be had it will
Hijole~
Shoot temp believe in the chupazi~
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On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.
This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.
Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.
Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.
"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.
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On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141
i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141 i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
What do you dislike about it?
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.
Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.
You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.
I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.
This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.
But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?
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On November 23 2014 10:43 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141 i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best. What do you dislike about it?
it completely neglects his most recent reads post; he just says this read sounds made up in one sentence, and then moves on. also he claims that SL backs down or folds under pressure, which to me would mean damdred should apply pressure. he subsequently doesn't apply that much pressure imo. i also don't particularly have a town read on the guy making the case, and a lot of people i have scum reads on don't like SL. so there's that.
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On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?
VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...
Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:
On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.
then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.
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On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.
Uhm... I've pointed it out before.
VE isn't committed to the game either.
The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.
You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.
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On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.
??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???
and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?
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On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?
Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?
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On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia? Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?
i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do?
On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?
Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal? did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit.
man that was tough to find!!!! owait
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On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia? Question: when did you really decided I was mafia? i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do? Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?
Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal? did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit. man that was tough to find!!!! owait
Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced.
I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them.
This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced.
You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner.
Logic fails.
Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.
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Boy, I have NO DOUBT VE is scum, and I'm only up to page 10. Lololol
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On November 23 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia? Question: when did you really decided I was mafia? i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do? On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?
Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal? did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit. man that was tough to find!!!! owait Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced. I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them. This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced. You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner. Logic fails. Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.
Exactly where does he say anything about lynching specifically a blue? That seems to be the basis of your retort here and I can not find it at all.
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On November 23 2014 08:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?
I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.
Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;; not saying you haven't, am saying i don't remember them, most of what i remember from you is small questions with 0 follow-up from early on and then a bunch of defense. also your filter is shorter than mine, which is bizarre. he had a scum read on someone, detailed the length to which he agreed with the scum read on one of his top town reads (or at least someone he was talking to like he read as town in HF) and for no good reason decided to vote on a null read. when asked to justify he acts like it never happened and he didn't just lynch a blue. then he pursues the same line of thought and same mindset/reads that just led him to lynch a blue. and suddenly he wants to lynch hopeless again???? you just had the opportunity and decided to pass up on it for no fucking reason at all other than "lol dis gai afk" he needs to die IMMEDIATELY.
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Ok I'm still way behind in the thread, I won't be able to make a full case on VE, so I'll just bring some specific posts.
VE's bad posts
On November 20 2014 16:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:28 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird. oh how vague of you. ![[image loading]](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131008181448/p__/protagonist/images/3/3c/Mallory_being_skeptical.png)  This was clearly not MSPaint surprised by you VE, usually you all over people when they use vague and non-descript words. why you not on rayn for saying HF weird? Because he's right, HF is weird. And he's mafia and he's going to fucking die. I would be more concerned if he used a positive vague word like "snappy" or "happenin". Is this another "gotcha" moment or something?
This logic is completely bizarre. Rayn came to the thread, dropped a sentence, and VE completely flipped his read to call holyflare mafia and never change his vote on him. He calls HF mafia because HF isn't agreeing with him (lol?). He seems to read Rayn as town for no reason whatsoever. Rayn also tried to dismiss my case on VE, then simply said he misread something and did not further comment on it. He is avoiding any real interaction with VE. He is hard defending VE without even considering the possibility of VE being town.
But the point is: look at his weird excuse to think rayn's opening wasn't "vague". The wording. He also scumreads hopeless for using "we", so he looks like he is part of town. Lol.
On November 20 2014 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.
There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first. claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is. you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted. Why do you say I overreacted? On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit. bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide. He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it. then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive? that falls in the OMGUS VE category. But you don't think I'm mafia Hopeless, and if you do that PROVES you're mafia. Because you're a good player and you know that this is how I play as town. As mafia I'm totally different, I lurk hard, and I come in with big posts and then play defense. That's my style, and that's how I win. OR lose.
There is no such thing as this assumption. This is NOT VE's mafia meta. This self-meta is completely bullshit. He also lurks as town and sometimes lose the game for lurking/not caring too much (see Avogadro).
By the way, the correct meta read on VE is this one on spoilers. Hapahauli NAILED it and lynched mafia VE day1:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 25 2014 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:Got home today wondering if my stuff on VE last night was my own confirmation bias or something legitimate. And I think it's legitimate. Everything about VE's play screams "false confidence". This is a quote from VE in Storm 2 mafia. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. It's very descriptive of his early town Day 1 play. Town VE likes going for people who aren't active and are not contributing. To go after me this confidently early on is really really unlike his town-play. And this is very consistent through his recent town-games. In LXVIII, he is on a lot of wagons, focusing mostly on Lurkers and newer players. First Fecalcast, then an inactive holyflare, then a brief OMGUS on Rayn before wanting to lynch an afk Palmar at the end of the day due to town consensus. In Storm 2, he tunnles mderg, a classic Day 1 lurker. In Neat and Tidy Mafia, he goes after MysteryMeat for early Day 1, who was inactive/lurkish/etc. In Normal Mini LVI, he reads SloOsh and BH as possibly mafia, but turns down voting them in favor of a lurkish player, mderg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=14#262The basic summary is that VE as town is not a player who confidently locks onto one player. He's a guy that's always mindful of inactives, has a self-awareness of his play and the rest of the game, to the point where he will drop his own reads to consolidate with the opinion of the town. To go after me (a vet, and the most active player in the game so far) so early and so confidently is so unlike his town-play. To instantly read two less-active players as town (MM and Damdred) so early into the game is borderline insanity for his town play.
Take a look at this quote from VE's most recent town game (LXVIII): Show nested quote +On September 15 2014 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't want to lynch rayn but I will if all my townies agree he's mafia.
But frankly I don't want to lynch one of the Rock Stars either, so I don't like disagree with rayn. Palmar gave a TONE read. Does he do that? When did he die and become Robik? What's going on here? He reads rayn as town, but is self-aware enough of his own read-accuracy that he's willing to be bullied off of reads. YOSO Mafia contains my favorite example of this: Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros.
##Unvote
##Vote: Caller
Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding. ...where VE literally gets bullied off of his town-read of Caller pages after he makes it. Self-awareness of his own accuracy, etc. So VE is so mindful of thread sentiment and the opinions of other townies that he can be bullied off of his own reads. Consistently. He'll even swap votes just because other people aren't agreeing with him without even changing his mind about his reads.
VE is defined by confidence. And this confidence usually manifests itself through his reads. His early Day 1 play in Catastrophe Mafia: Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamperfection is saying all the right things to all the right people. #toptownmvpyoloswag420blazeit
I'm town too, and we're going to wreck face. Get dominated scum. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 03 2014 12:19 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 12:14 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 12:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 11:58 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:51 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 11:49 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 09:51 yamato77 wrote:
Dandel's post makes me want to kill him, too.
Rayn's reads are shitty because there's no reason to go "YEP HE'S TOWN" 5 minutes into the game unless you're mafia trying to make friends. I disagree. So the actual reads are not the problem here? Can you explain what this means? I don't think there is no reason to post early gut reads. It is much more useful than proposing a random lynch for example. So you think gut reads are better than just saying nothing and random lynching yet you've said nothing? I think everything you've said so far has been incredibly fluffly. You had the smiley read that was incredibly random and then your explanation for why you asked the reasoning for WoS vs Robik was bad as well. You stated that you asked for the reason on the WoS read because robik opened the exact same way. On April 03 2014 09:33 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik your read on Wave is wrong. Troll or serious? Then why do you prod him about it if you get where he's coming from. After that you go into traffic cop mode trying to settle the dispute between DI and Rob. You're my top scumread so far so I'd love to actually hear some content rather than all of this fluff. Seriously dude? You are contradicting yourself in the first part of your post... if I give a random read then that is more than most people here did. Maybe you should explain why my reasoning is bad instead of just throwing shit. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I never said WoS and Robik opened the same way?! You wanted to know the reasoning of the WoS read but never asked for the robik one. I never said that you read them the same way. It seemed that you were curious about the WoS read but then you didn't really care about why he read Rob town. Your only read has been that you liked the smiley thing so I wouldn't agree than "that is more than most people here did". I did ask because I did not follow the WoS read while I thought I understood the robik read. Like I already said. Maybe you should read what I say. I also never said that I like the smiley read I just know that it is a thing for them. Why is it scummy for me to only question one of rayns reads? Explain. It's suspicious because you could maybe be on a team with the person you're ignoring - or maybe trying to buddy them in some way. It's suspicious because it seems like you have information that the rest of us don't have, or at least I THINK that's what Killing is saying. I think you're town as fuck. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp, JAT and VE. Killing town too, maybe Wave, maybe sandroba. Maybe not sandroba. I'll lynch any lurker, including myself. Any questions? No? Good, everyone GO. Town reads everywhere. Really confident about them, but also very questionable logic. Tone is half-trollish, half-serious, and VE is appearing to play along with the thread. Sound familiar? This is exactly what he did in this game. Play along wiht the townie points thing, take a very half-serious/trollish tone, and dole out some incomprensibly confident town-reads on MM/Damdred for incomprehensible reasons.His confidence manifests itself in Carnival Cruise through his scum-reads. An initial super-confident push on WaveOfShadow: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=22#435Doesn't really drop his case on Wave, then pushes Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=23#443Then, all aboard the VAYNE TRAIN! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=44#876He's super-confident about all of his early pushes, and by the end of Day 1, thinks all of these players are mafia. Isn't necessarily going after lurkers, and is just indiscriminately going on people he can push cases on.
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Forgot to say that this kind of confidence is EXACTLY what VE is having in this game. He scumreads and townreads people for shitty reasons and keeps those reads.
To me, VE just look like he has the town traits in mind (aggressive, suspicious, participative) and it's trying to emulate this. Everything seems forced coming from him.
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141 i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
You were also having a scumread on sick lucker earlier, if I'm correct. What changed?
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