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On October 10 2014 04:24 Alzadar wrote: How do 3rd Party appear to alignment checks? Sorry for question spam but I don't like ambiguous rules. Serial poisoner appears mafia Survivor appears town unless Dandelion hates the guy. | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh. Well fuck you anyway :D Pls stream it wav | ||
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Ive got 5 forum mafia games under my belt. Havent seen my role yet but im definitely town . | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Sweet then you can help me lynch our first scummer. Right then Lynch wav gaiz. #vote WaveofShadow | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Tolkien wrrryyyyyy 1) because you left me alone in THAT mafia game. It was so toxic, I got cancer and then had that cancer cured by the chemo. 2) You're Canadian and, speaking as a part-Canadian, it's a scientific fact that Canadians are not naturally aggressive. Indeed, centuries of evolutionary pressures wrought by predators such as the Polar Bear and the Quebecois has rendered the English subspecies of Canadians unfailingly polite and submissive, resorting to passive-aggressive harassment when threatened, and only fully showcasing its viciousness when confronted with helpless individuals, like baby seals. That is why Wave. Science. I know you want to club Ghandi for nuking your homeland, you just gave your scum nature away. CHECKMATE CANADIAN. | ||
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On October 11 2014 13:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Glad to hear you have my back Mr. Leprechaun. You're always after my lucky charms. | ||
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On October 12 2014 02:17 Dandel Ion wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE Alzadar (1): Cixah AsmodeusXI (1): WaveofShadow GhandiEAGLE (0): Not voting (11): The rest Currently, Waveofshadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in Remember that voting is mandatory. This votecount is correct. Wat. OH. I see. You're gonna be anal about capitalizing the "Vote", huh. Well anyways, going back to afking in confirmed town glory. I confirmed it for you guys earlier, IF YOU RECALL. | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote: This is maybe the lowest activity game I've ever played in thus far...not entirely surpriused but still. So am I to understand then that a) Tolkien as confirmed town you're not going to bother to play the game? Surely as confirmed town it is your duty to steer the town in the right direction so you can help us win, correct? b) Jeff you just don't give any shits at all? Maybe. Perhaps. Eventually. I SUPPOSE I could. I'll just say we should policy lynch lurkers. It always works in newbie games, and this is in effect a newbie game SO... + Show Spoiler + Also Wave, i have 5 games you can read. :D You could look through it for any clues, as I do have a game as scum in there + Show Spoiler + which I would've won if it weren't for that next-to-last day cop claim and check, despite having my buddy lynched D1 lel | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:40 Cixah wrote: How are you confirmed town exactly? All you've asked is take my word for it without actually posting anything relevant at all. :| Did you not see me both calling that I was town, then confirming it right after I read my PM? Clear town confirm here. | ||
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Req, asking to out blue roles before they've done ANYTHING is the scummiest thing you can do. srs There are a few roles that MUST claim D1 like Miller, or Wanderer. Any role that could be detrimental to town. But D1 cop claims or medic claims or vigi claims are stupid and you should feel like scum. /srsface off im on a boat | ||
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**unless you're about to get lynched D1. A cop claim response to being D1 mislynched. is acceptable /srsface off IM AN ADULT | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote: I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know. As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me. pls, this is like a play I would make in live mafia. d1 policy lynch inc Note I was always town whenever I get policy-lynched in live. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote: lol. MB see my post directed at Req above. Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up? I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever. It was also wrong. Clearly had a 67% margin of error at least. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:26 WaveofShadow wrote: See now my fire is going. I feel exhilarated. Swaglord shall we stomp some fucking scum? The only things I stomp are goombas. And weasels. | ||
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I reject your conclusions for being completely without merit and clearly not reading the thread at all. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote: what is there to analyze? The only "analysis" I've seen from anyone is they "have a feeling" based on nothing. That's not a conclusion that's a joke. This is mafia. That's the point. | ||
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The Innocent Child claim was early, but w/e. Find scum elsewhere. Either he'll die at night or he'll be confirmed town. Either way. | ||
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Stop trying to guess setup D1, also. Useless and helps scum more since they know more about the setup. | ||
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So claiming VT is like bleh. Don't do it. Just say town and move on, for the love of jebus. Incidentally why I seriously hated wave for his first post. | ||
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Also 6ah, it was a super early claim. We haven't even broken 24hrs yet, and like 90% of TL mafia is played in the last 3 hours of the day. | ||
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I'm just too lazy to do it right now lelel | ||
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always necessary in newbie games | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote: It's a long weekend in Canada. I'd give coma the benefit of the doubt. OWB is a known lurker and even when pressured doesn't really perform (from what I remember from the Lol mafia game). Lynching him is essentially a dice roll. Who else that is a lurker would you want to lynch? That is true, but if I were to ask, "who would likely contribute as a town player to find and lynch scum", would OWB be one of them? I'd say no. I do hate policy lynches, but if there's no one else... As for Coma, I'm waiting to see if he'll just get modkilled D1. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:34 ComaDose wrote: like wouldn't making baseless accusations be more scummy? i dont know becuase im new Early D1 is all about making accusations to spark conversation (in newbie games at least: silent thread=scum wins). Even if it's about how bad the accusations are. Once we hit D2 and have some flips to read, play becomes much more analytical. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: we're not at the "whelp, there's no one better to lynch" point yet, there's still an entire 24 hour period Swaglord, what do you think of MB I ignored everything he wrote after he revealed he didn't actually read the thread (saying I played 3 games instead of 5 as I explicitly clarified). Also giant wall-o-text that is ultimately more useless than Urgot. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I know I promised I wouldn't, but for someone who hates policy lynches: So um...we have just under 24h to go and you're convinced we have no other options. And you 'hate' policy lynches. Hmm. I'd much prefer it if we didn't policy lynch, but it's usually a necessity in newbie games. | ||
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On October 12 2014 10:34 Cixah wrote: I want to post from my phone but it's difficult. I'll see if I can't put my post together when I get home at stupid o'clock. 80% of my posts on this forum are from my phone. WIMP. | ||
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On October 12 2014 10:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Do you have an actual scumread then, or are you just gonna continue saying "I hate policy lynches, but we probably should do one" over and over? Survey says: Yes. | ||
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Confirmed Town Swaglord Tolkien: The towniest of towns. Anyone who wants to lynch him is the scummiest of scums. 6ah: Random early Innocent Child claim. Confirmed town until D2: if no innocent child post, clearly scum or anti-town. So until that unlikely scenario, JOIN ME 6er in confirmed town glory. Not Quite Confirmed Town, maybe a nice shade of minty green: NOT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK D1 Sonib: Equally frustrated by the "lel I'm VT" and "lel I'm nub" trend in this thread. Wav: "let's lynch the guy with the longest filter! HAHA! Best play NA!" Additionally, I see no point in lynching any "vets" D1 when they have actual filters to read. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE COUGH COUGH HACK HACK GAG GAG. These are no lyncherino until later on. Besides, they'll probably be shot by mafia if they're town anyways, as I highly doubt a non-Sonib/Wav/me mafia would try to pull an epic WIFOM attempt and try to leave them alive for LYLO + Show Spoiler + (note, I tried to do this in my scum game [keeping the vet alive for LYLO for an easy mislynch], but I'm confirmed town here [also it got ruined by a next-to-last day cop claim ruining my lynching/shooting pattern]) mordek: I like him. Him response to the 6ah random early Innocent Child claim is townie to me. I want him to be more decisive with his reads on other people, but I'm townpiling him for now. Also mordek, unvote 6ah right now. Alaric: Also sold on Alaric for now. Very pro-town set of posts, but also lacking decision for now. Perhaps nubishness. ketchup: Same as above: going the right direction. Null/scummy Alzadar: His filter is very forgettable for me. Outside of the attempted "how many games has everyone played" post (which is also grossly inaccurate). Doesn't mention me at all besides in response to my direct corrections to his errors, despite my first-half D1 being literally trundle. Seriously, anyone who wasn't considering me a viable D1 wagon is probably scum (or bad town who could also be axed if we don't find scum today) Old Jeff: trolling about as hard as I was, and that's an achievement given how hard I was trolling. Nulling him for now, actually despite everyone scumreading him. I think his behavior makes sense for D1 and is fine. But not townsided as yet. Asmo: Aggressiveness is not a scum tell lel. In fact, given this is TL mafia, it's usually the opposite (I've been listening to vets moan about how TL scum players just lurk and get killed because it boosts their win percentage by getting auto-town reads). In any event, scum DON'T want to be confrontational unless they're caught and need to defend themselves. Scum play tends to be more passive and "lurky", since the goal for scum is to survive. Also, overall find your post pretty meh, so still null. Most "towny" of this list, but w/e, not happy with that post. Either mafia newbs or scum, I Can't Tell MoonBear: Either his continuous attempts to discuss blue roles is a sign of newbishness, or a bald-faced (newbish) scum play. Can't tell which. Given this is a newbie game probably the former but eh. Also, MoonBear makes a gigantic post that can be summed up in like 5 short sentences. "Is Wave WIFOMing? I don't know. Host-Player WIFOM. Let me badger for roles and stuff again. Also I think Alzadar, sweglerd, and Req are weird." See MoonBear? Wasn't that simpler and easier to write? Req: He's flailing around the noob card so hard, I'm surprised his arms haven't fallen off. And spending his time saying "wagh I don't like that you guys are trying to play mafia wagh". I give free passes for that in newbie games, but you're overusing it so hard right now, it sounds like you're just scum trying to use it to excuse everything. Also: Tolkien is just trying to kill Wave out of principle, which I can understand. I said I'd kill JEFF out of principle. I said I'd kill Wave because vengeance for making me bald and because he was being uncharacteristically Un-Canadian when he tried to club Also: As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me. This is basically a live mafia level play that I would do. Hint: Storr ends up policy-lynching me D1 everytime I go "whatever, I'm town and screw you all, you'll see when I flip". Why? Because it's a terrible defense and you clearly don't care about the game (which is true everytime I do it in live: gotta watch dem smash and LoL games). As I carry myself much differently in forum and live mafia, I'd say lynch him for the attitude alone. Bunch-o Lurking Voyeurs OWB: Apparently lurking is his meta. Would lynch if only because it means he'll likely be useless in following days and will be harder to read with less posts. ComaDose: In a coma. Or drunk. Or both. Then again he just posted so... Also, about as bad as Req in pulling the "hi im new" card. Also, I didnt really think anyone acted particularly scummy. i do think people like alaric and asmo are putting in good townie effort. unless they are in on it together?!?! wat. My brain is all WOOSH. I cannot contain this illogic. Two people putting in effort to find scum doesn't mean they're working together. wat Anyways, NO MORE NOOB CLAIM PLOX. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafia read this instead of complaining (REQ...) I'd be pretty happy with a MoonBear wagon right about now. Otherwise a policy lynch of Req or a lurker would suffice. ##Vote MoonBear | ||
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2) you're on my null/scummy list for a reason asmo. Also everyone's been playing the noob card. Req was just overusing it massively. Also live-mafia me level post. Most ahuehue. 3) a d1 wagon on me? Awww yeah. This brings back the newbie nostalgia. Either i look scummy d1 or I'm scum. Yeeeeehaw. 4) jeff you're not town. Just not "scum scum" because your behavior sucks if you're mafia. In newbie mafia in particular, mafia will probably hide by posting like Alaric or Mordek or Moonbear. Newbie mafia aren't inclined to troll as their first instinct. 5) Alzadar pls. I always spam videos and memes. Blame tehPoofter and that Star Trek mafia game. Your post is also the most entertaining. Much superficial. 6) pls, you shouldn't be listening to anyone but yourself and confirmed town. And even then. Vets can be the wrongest people ever in mafia, and being confirmed town doesn't mean you have good reads lawl. | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Still holding back on the MB train until he gets back and talks. Lawl. This is why you vote and PRESSURE him to come back. COUGH COUGH HACK HACK | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:29 Requizen wrote: Whatever man. I was told that D1 is all about gut feelings and I'm teying to play the game the way it's "supposed" to be played. My D1 gut is that, based on your posts, you're scum. Wave is still high up too. He's playing a lot of games. That might just be his relative experience, but my tendency is to not trust people who are better at the game than me. My natural instinct is to trust MB but I need to go back into his filter I think. The fact you're no longer pulling the newbie card makes me happy. | ||
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Well it's plurality lynch so I GUESS it's ok. But lol. | ||
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On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote: If I was scum trying to pretend to be town I'd just play along and bandwagon with someone else. Because why would I want to draw attention to myself. Idk if it's a crime to ask questions as a new player but at least I make more interesting posts than the stuff other people have posted instead of being boring and trying to argue over trivial details on Day 1 that don't really mean anything. Alright then. I may believe you aren't scum and are just feeling around. So tell me, who's scum. Be decisive here. Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. Because town is a pack of sheep that will wither and die if there aren't any townies willing to step up and lead, or let scum lead mislynches. You say, you aren't scum, alright then. Who is? | ||
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Dont be the squirrel. | ||
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AKA lurking is bad mkay, town can't read you mkay, and you forward mafia agenda, mkay | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:17 Cixah wrote: This brings a whole new level on insight to your play. That I like Drawn Together? | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien What did you think of Wave? Do tell. | ||
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...Non-Athletic Regular Person? | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote: I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote. ##Vote Lord Tolkien So you're just sheeping wave here? Real question. Are you a lemming? | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:10 mordek wrote: I'm being consistent. That was my first read. Usually it's the right one. It's the scum that flip back and forth and point to different people. You're not convincing me with this post that I'm wrong. Why do you think Im trying to convince you of anything? | ||
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On October 13 2014 03:55 mordek wrote: Can you explain what changed your mind about me? Also ##Unvote Cixah Also, just saw this post. Lol. I never talked about you. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote: Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? What? | ||
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##vote mordek Reads too much like mafia trying to bandwagon. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote: I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote: I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. | ||
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Definitely dont like the MB wagon right now. And I'm clearly town. So. Hm. | ||
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On October 13 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I won't bother explaining why because I'm just going to be accused of manipulating people. I get the feeling we won't be lynching scum today....you may be right with your newbie-game lurker attitude. Fine, i will. The bandwagons are too small. With 2-3 mafia (prob 3), our unconsolidated bandwagons are probably not scum. Everyone being fine with a MoonBear lynch is another red flag and im going to counterpush now. Off. Now. | ||
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On October 13 2014 06:55 AsmodeusXI wrote: Okay, so basically you'd rather RNG lynch than lynch MB? Honest question. Right now? Yes. The votecount and spread, and near unanimous MB is scummy atmosphere unnerves me | ||
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Hold on, going to ask BH how he RNGd scum D1. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:16 ketchup wrote: By the way, if moonbear is a no show, this means he is mod killed anyways. I think stacking mod kill + lynch on moonbear is actually a really good town play. Rather than letting people dictate RNG kill or anything else. That's tantamount to a no lynch. Fk u I'd rather town not waste a day. | ||
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An RNG vote is to randomly select someone. BH isn't answering me however so that's off the table. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:21 ketchup wrote: lolol I didn't expect jcarlsoniv, tolkien and wave to try to argue against this with the same bad logic. WOOOOOWWWWWWWW. ??? Stacking on MB if he's about to get modkilled is literally wasting a day. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:22 ketchup wrote: You wanted it between moonbear and ghandieagle right? That was RNG vote. Yeah okay. You keep thinking that. No. Between everyone. Duh. | ||
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Seen it happen in newbie games. Alot of town modkills too. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:23 ketchup wrote: Because giving mafia two kills on day 1 is SUCH A PRO TOWN MOVE right? hahahaha ...so we dont lynch anyone and let mafis shoot us at night. Kk. | ||
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Hence why I'd rather take a full RNG vote involving everyone. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:27 ketchup wrote: I never said no lynch. I said vote moonbear if he doesn't show up. The more you argue against this, the more I feel you are scummy as shit. Idgaf what you think. you think I care that you think im scum? Off MB if he doesnt show. I am serious. | ||
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Off MB. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:26 mordek wrote: Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that? If I were scum I would be bussing him so so hard to win town cred as he's clearly useless as a mafia partner and/or not troll D1. Lol. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh holy shit really? They finally listened to him and hit a scum lynch?! It's massive popcorn. And mafia got lynche d2. Funny thing is town can still lose horribly. | ||
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Nyeh. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah he's pretty town. That would be INSANELY ballsy of him. Oh i know. It just peeves me. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh tu, Jefferino? Whatever I'm going to let the scrubs scrub it up then. Interesting that we have a fair amount of pushback onto MB now. Today is too fucking hard. Not sure if scum or town pushback. | ||
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w/e Not gonna say I TOLD YOU SO But in general, an early D1 bandwagon that isn't fought is clearly a town mislynch. Mafia will usually fight to deflect a lynch off of their partner D1, because things don't usually stick then. When I felt no counterwagon forming onto me away from MoonBear, I had a strong feeling MB would turn up town. Unanimity is sometimes very disconcerting in mafia because there will be a scum response. Anyways, blue roles: no one checks or visits 6ah for obvious reasons. Cop check should obviously be going onto someone they think is scummy or a likely lynch tomorrow. Hmmm, I don't think vigi should shoot today (or poisoner poison) but that's just me. If you have a stronger read than go for it. Medic/JK save should be onto someone important. Basic stuff. Also Wave can be on the chopping block D2. We'll see. | ||
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On October 13 2014 13:35 Alzadar wrote: This is from a ways back but the thread exploded while I was at dinner: You guys were all discussing what to do if MB didn't show up, whether to lynch + modkill or just kill MB. Then MB came and voted, making the discussion moot. Wave says "stfu about that now, let's talk about relevant stuff", and then ketchup pulls this "nu-uh, you're not my mom" bullshit. There's nothing wrong with trying to refocus the thread back towards the impending vote once the modkill was no longer going to happen. This doesn't make me think ketchup is scum but it's definitely not helping us to jump down Wave's throat in an instance when his direction is obviously legitimate. Anything new to add, master of the well-trod? | ||
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I wouldnt have a problem with it if the reasoning wasn't so bad. Your picking up on traits which are the EXACT OPPOSITE of what scum wants to do. lol Town can't change their minds? Pls. And really, how are we to read your day one when you spent the entire time moaning then playing the newb card? I applaud the effort, though the reasoning is poor at best. After analyzing the votecount and general player atmosphere, i figured i needed to steer town off of what was most likely town. And not waste a d1 lynch COUGH COUGH. Still wouldnt lynch wave or soniv tomorrow. Also, i take it back. Vigi should shoot today. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: No you'll say more than that. Don't make me do all the work. But wave. I don't want to be a manipulative skumbag like you. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Do something. I'm sick of defending you. Why are you lol. Stop trying to buddy me. I'm sure everyone can see the flaws in Req's logic themselves. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:04 Requizen wrote: I can't say my early posting was super stellar, but if you're going to cling to that to try and discredit me then your opinion goes in the bin. My views don't change just because you say reasoning is bad and leave it at that. But, your response is noted and appreciated. The shittiness of your post is noted as well, as it contrasts starkly with how you were attempting to post previously. I understand that there were definitely people on MB for their own reasons, but I didn't agree with them. Scum piling on is definitely a reasonable strategy - especially if they switch once the bandwagon gets going. Scum who jump around a lot can "randomly" all pile onto one person together to "create pressure", then when the mob forms, slip off onto scattered others and it will not seem out of the ordinary for them. To start an angry mob, you need more than one person, after all. Still, I don't know if scum in this game is that organized. But if they were, it's a perfectly reasonable tactic. My posts get significantly worse when im posting on a phone lel. Also it isn't EoN yet so no big reads for scum to latch onto. HF trying to push me though. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:09 Requizen wrote: None of my post is pushing. I've given my view: you are mostly scum in my book. That likely won't change tonight. If you want to refute it during night that's your call, but it doesn't mean anything until D2 starts. I dont give a damn what you do or don't think.  | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:14 mordek wrote: Man I almost posted saying I think I've changed my mind on LT and then he goes and posts like this again. It's discouraging. Im still watchin chu | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:14 ketchup wrote: 14 player game is 4 scum??? Is that real? Can you explain please. This is a legit inquiry because I assumed 3 scum + 1 3P(with possible KP). God Wave, stop panicking everyone. In my experience its 3 mafia, MAYBE a 3p if town is filled with blues, with 14 players in a noob game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/442512-survivor-series-mafia No 3P here I remembered one of my other scumgames wrong as well, thought it was 14 with 4 scum and 3P but it was 16. I could swear there was another one recently with 4scum + 3P but I could be wrong. Wave you isjit. Max of 3 scum with 14 players, 3p optional if there's a shitton of town blues. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:27 ketchup wrote: It matters to me a lot because it means a lot to me to know what I am looking for. Ill repeat. 3 scum max in a newbie setup with 14. Maybe a 3p with lots of town power roles. Which i find highly unlikely in a newbie game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: It actually shouldn't matter much this early. Drawing connections before you see any flip often leads to confirmation bias. Also yes. | ||
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Also, I REPEAT, 3 scum, maybe 1 3p. Just look at every newbie game role list ffs. 13 player setups: 3 scum. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:55 ComaDose wrote: can you tell me what i miss as to why? is it because he just stuck with his original gut feeling? you were on again off again on the moonbear train too. and it seems like for the most part you and soniv only have good things to say about each other. i.e. soniv desregarding scummy reads on you and you saying he is clear now. Can you explain more? Soniv pushed the MB train hard. Scum usually don't want the attention early for pushing a town mislynch D1. Much better to look at the people following the train and sheeping. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote: You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:09 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll say this: your posting today has been rl shit tier. Its all the phone m8. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:14 Requizen wrote: This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town. This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive. Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard"). You have much experience with scummy attitudes then? | ||
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Touche. But that doesn't carry over into mafia. I find the evolution of your thread voice...interesting. | ||
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Also ketchup, congrats. 10 points to Ravenclaw. | ||
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kind of what i was going for. | ||
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1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you. 2) Soniv or Wave wagon fine if questionable for d2. Should still press other options. 3) Again, depending on what alignment you think jeff is, examine the votecount. if jeffs scum in your eyes, scum is more likely on the MB wagon. If town, they're likely anywhere, but probably were idling on non-votes. The MB counterpush at EoD was pretty palpable. 4) lots of people will be reevaluated when i get home. Highly doubt ill get shot lol. If so, lelscum. 5) | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote: fite me bambi also, any reason why? Anything at all? | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Why I didn't state my reads on you? I had nothing to add, shamefully :/ I honestly have no idea. You have a lot of scum moments but you have a lot of good moments too. Overall you seem too combative, and I'm leaning a little towards scum, but there's not enough I can post to warrant trying to share a read. lel And not the good kind of lel | ||
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Is more accurate. | ||
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What. | ||
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But after not dying 2 nights in a row, town couldve gotten a clue. NOPE. gj shooting me n1 doe. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:24 yamato77 wrote: thought wave was scum that tryhard post was sooooooooooo bad read nothing else Wave was super antitown. Was hoping he'd die instead of me so i couldve lead town. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: have to trust a non counter claimed medic, the fact you made it through N2 instead of me should have been huge red flag town, you're retarded Yep. Was the most lolz moment. And wave most of all for not noticing lel | ||
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I foresaw this. /Velen | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:31 Alzadar wrote: As I side note, everyone was expecting three blue roles right, which is why Mordek and my claims were both accepted. But wouldn't that be really Town favored? If there was a real Medic on top of the existing roles, I think there's a good chance we'd have lost despite the lucky Ketchup kill, the Parity Cop never getting a check off and the Poisoner canceling himself out. Yes. As soon as i saw the poisoner claim i knew 100% you were faking out your ass. Between living over soniv and that, lel | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:36 mordek wrote: Ugh, I was hoping someone would correct me when I said there must be three blue roles. I claim ignorance of mafia stuff like the medic not dying. I did try to get Alaric so there's that. But I suck. Well done. Tbf, all you had was Wave. Unfortunately, i died n1. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:47 Alzadar wrote: I thought the pace of posting was fine until D3, things really slumped then. It's hard to say with foreknowledge, but I feel like I would have been really suspicious of Alaric after a point. He would always babble on and on and I'd be thinking "surely someone will pick up on this?", but it never happened. There's some fun stuff in the QT, like our TOP SECRET TIEBREAK shenanigans which Alaric proceeded to highlight to the town, but nobody paid any notice. o_O I was pretty suspicious starting d2, but as i was not in game, i couldnt get any interactions to check. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:51 Alaric wrote: Wow. Fuck you guys I'd babble the same if I were townie, I'm just better at walls of text than shitposting. And I suck at TL;DR, as Teut said even my TL;DRs need TL;DRs. Yep. To both accounts. My suspicions stemmed from you doing shitall to push and help town. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:53 Alaric wrote: I tried to push Mordek! But noone followed. Jerks. Oh I also checked out these RNG lynches by BlazingTorch, did it just before end of day 2. That was amazing. Forgot to tell you. And town then nearly proceeded to throw the game. was so funny | ||
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On October 22 2014 10:00 Alaric wrote: We found that? When did we? ._. Brb rereading mafia qt. And yeah ketchup modkill was probably the biggest thing. It's so damn hard to find people, plus since you have to kill the ones who take initiative when they start suspecting you you start having to push and expose yourself more as there's less people. I dunno if it was because we were all noob but I was pretty scared of having to stick my neck out to point a scum and suddenly have everyone go "we're all hesitant, this guy is sure of himself, he must be scum!". Town does like lynching people who appear different. Like early 20th century US southerners. | ||
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Alaric: Having time to go through the mafia QT, you were 100% the scum MVP. Not only did you push for the N1 kill on me (you saw through my tarp), you were also the most difficult mafia to pin by far, without spending an hour pondering your gameplay contributions. OWB: god, that no-lynch vote made me rage so hard. You overall played a decent lurker scum game, but poisoner got you. I'd still lynch you in a heartbeat D1 though because all lurkers must die, but the AFK claims, bleh. Alzadar: Your D1 was fairly shaky, but you had balls of steel to make that medic claim. You really lucked out with that: if any one of the people in the obsQT weren't dead, you would have been lynched D4 100%, because from what I've readm none of us believed your claim then (a good number of us also thought Wave was clearly scum because he was dismissing the obvious scumminess that you surviving into D4 was,and tunneling onto Req of all people). With a medic fakeclaim, you will pretty much always get shot the next day, because medics are way too powerful for scum to ignore, plus everyone knew scum had a roleblocker, which should've made your D4 survival virtually impossible since there would be no way scum would let a medic live to fuck their possible nightkills up. But again, that took guts. Coma: town MVP, no question about it. More seriously, you could've probably easily turned the town lynch on your by claiming 3P and using it as a bargaining chip to try and poison mafia for town, and hoping mafia and town kill each other. With 2 claimed blue roles already, a mafia team would be hard pressed to kill you that night. Blues: Soniv: Not much I or ketchup could do to stave off the Wave/town tunnel. You did what you needed to do as a blue role, sucks that things turned out the way they did. I also disagree about d1 shenannies but w/e. My biggest criticism is that you were too content in letting a MB lynch be the only wagon in the game (besides the votespread meaning MB probably was town). Even if MB was scum, and jeff was town, having a secondary wagon to gauge D1 votes is important, and not doing so was a bad idea. Mordek: You absolutely need to be more proactive as town. You were poisoner, but the role is fairly non-essential overall. Even if you poisoned Soniv, you should absolutely be looking for other bandwagons and overall playing a regular town game. Cixah: D1, you made a panicked Innocent Child claim. Not altogether bad, but it was 100% premature. However, after claiming, you should make use of your claim. You're confirmed town, you have room to aggressively look and push people and lurkers, and no one can possibly question your intentions. As a result, you should be more decisive and take lead of town (you couldve gotten Alzadar lynched D3 for instance if you stuck by your apparent gut instinct). Overall, you needed to be MUCH more proactive, because overall you squandered your "confirmed town" status and did very little. I'll admit though, getting the D2 last minute swaps onto Alzadar and then Coma was the most hilarious thing ever. Towns: Wave: Overall, I'm abit disappointed in your play as you should be much better than this. On the positive: you posted alot, did your best to talk and encourage talking, and overall put alot of effort into this game. Nonetheless, there were a number of grave mistakes you made, mostly in that your handling of both reads and of newbie cards. NEVER LET SOMEONE BEING A NEWBIE BLIND YOU TO THE OBVIOUS. Occam's Razor holds here as much as it does in regular mafia. If there is a parity cop AND a medic claim, and the parity cop dies, there should be a huge red flag for the medic. Triply so if on the next night, the medic doesn't die but the INNOCENT CHILD (whom the medic should be protecting anyways, PLUS you know the mafia roleblocker is dead [the fact 6ah is dead should be ringing alarm bells in your head, when a medic would've tried to save Soniv night 2, so has no excuse not to save 6ah]). You know this, and that's what breaks my heart. You could've been town hero, but you let noob wifom interfere with your judgement. Outside of the unsuredness, newbies play mafia surprisingly well, and allowing the preassumption that newbies would. RL strikes again, I get it, I really do. It's why I couldn't post a decent EoN post and saved town; would've required writing a wall of text while driving at night, in the rain). Nonetheless, you tunneled on all the wrong people this game, and didn't conduct a basic votecount analysis D4 when you got active; you could've tried to pull shenannies and saved obvious town Req (just look at the vote spread:, 4/1/1, mafia are so very obviously on the Req train). Overall, you made some critically bad reads which doomed town, since all the other possible town leaders were dead by the end of N2. Asmo: Nyeh, you were fine towards D2, but stopped posting at all D3. You would've been modkilled even if you weren't on the lynch table. <_<; Req: I think D2 you showed EXEMPLARY effort for a townie, and if your N1 and D2 didn't establish you as town, I don't know what will. Unfortunately, you had a number of problems with your analysis: namely, you were focusing on either the wrong traits to define scum or town, and some of your analysis was pretty wtf. The highlight for me was you trying to use statistics to figure out if Wave and Soniv (and me?) were scum, when that was hardly a randomized sample lol. It became quite clear towards the end that you were just depressed, suicidal town and gave up. Overall, I really do think you have potential at this game. You played N1 and D2 in a very town-sided manner, despite the brunt of your analysis being pretty bad. Ketchup: Y U MAKE EDITS MANG, YOU COULDA BEEN BEST TOWNIE OVER ME IF YOU DID D: Overall, I thought your play was perfectly fine, though you need to work on pressuring people who weren't actively engaging in the first place. As I noted in the ObsQT, there were plenty of lurkers that game that needed pressure, and weren't given any attention, and you had every reason to do so. On October 15 2014 08:24 ketchup wrote: Who cares what the timing is? How about any of you people actually start participating more in the game. This applies for Mordek, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar, and whoever else I'm missing. Please post more if you actually have an interest in the game. This for instance was not aggressive enough, and far too generalized. Instead of just listing them, push each of them (that wasn't 6ah) hard. If they shut down like Req, they shut down, w/e, you have a read. Mafia meta tends to be more aggressive, because it's more likely to bait out responses. Like, start a wagon on them and see how they respond. In hindsight, that pool of unpressured persons contained the entire scum-team roster bar Alaric (who played extremely well to basically do nothing and still not get pegged as a lurker: blame the wall-o-texts) and the 3P. You were SO CLOSE KETCHUP. Jeffrey: STAHP. WHAT. Your D1 and especially N1 made me start throwing the stones that would lead us to the SonivEagle affair. You're quite right, your posts were making you appear scummy, BUT LURKING MAKES YOU EVEN SCUMMIER WTF. You're questioning your reads and your posts, but you know what? Town is wrong 70-80% of the time. The only one who actually knows who's town is scum. You can be wrong, w/e, stop caring what other people think of you. Your goal is to find scum, not win "friendliest town of townsville" award. WAY too submissive jeff. Plus, you didn't even read my N1. I was trying to address my votecount analysis post, in part, to you, since only you know if you were town. You picked out mordek, which was a moment where I thought you could've carried town if you continued to question lurkers...but instead you ended up tunneling him and failed to do anything. Moonbear: I honestly don't know if you're still reading this, but: you repeated alot of what can already be picked up from a general mafia guide (which I ended up linking). It's a pity you couldn't be more active, as I did try to save you D1. Also, as this is overall something I've noticed for all the newbie towns: 1) Vanilla Town is, bar none, the most powerful town role in the game. I kid you not. As Vanilla town, you have free reign to be as aggressive and proactive in scumhunting without fearing nightshots, because even if you die, w/e, you were VT so it's not a loss for town. You should be actively looking for town and pressing people, ESPECIALLY those who are attempting to skate by without contributing to town. This goes to you especially Req: the only ones who know anything about the setup is scum. If you're town, YOU START WITH NO INFORMATION. Unless your Masons with a buddy or some other special, uncommon power roles, but w/e. Your goal is to find information. 2) TUNNELING IS 75% OF THE TIMES INCREDIBLY BAD. As town, your reads should be organically changing as you respond to new information. Unless you have a very good reason, never tunnel. Now, here's the thing: mafia's reads also have to change, but you can examine their logic and notice any flaws in their changing reads. Part of the reason why most people settled on Wave being scum with Alzadar, it's very unlikely that a town Wave, in any regular circumstances, would miss something so obviously scummy. 3) Don't sheep. Always spend your time looking for alternate bandwagons and possibilities, ESP D1. D1, you are 100% certain there are multiple mafia members out there. Even if the lead bandwagon is indeed scum, you still have 1+ more scum out there that you can find. This was a problem when you guys started just sheeping wave, and scum...well | ||
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