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So what's good? | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote: I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. BH always does this, ergo you can't draw conclusions about his alignment using plays that he makes regardless of alignment. Please don't push scumslips because they are the worst heuristic in the history of the universe. | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:32 Blazinghand wrote: Are we really talking whether or not I "slipped" that there are 3 mafia in a 14 player game? Again? Do we have to do this every time? This. This is an incredibly dumb statement. If BH is actually scum, this is most certainly not why. | ||
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What angle are you working here, exactly? | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: when are you going to do anything obi? What are you saying? I'm clearly doing stuff right now. | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote: I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: when are you going to do anything obi? Looking over this statement again, I'm starting to think this line was stolen directly from my modus operandi in Werewolf. Why exactly did you ask me this? What exactly are you expecting from me in terms of "doing anything" when I've only been in the thread for like 10 minutes or so? | ||
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Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town. In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated. | ||
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On October 07 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote: If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good. It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct The issue isn't that you called it a bad strategy, because it is. The issue is that you said he could only be scum for suggesting such a strategy, which is factually incorrect. | ||
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On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote: We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now. Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. | ||
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This question goes both ways. | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote: Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. | ||
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Bleed towniness. | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote: Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. | ||
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On October 07 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: ##vote obiwanshinobi reasons: read filter Get at me you jobber. | ||
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Okay. I looked at your filter and I still don't see reasoning for it. Explain. | ||
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##vote holyflare Explain. | ||
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And I don't see what about my questions is so open ended. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote: open ended questions, telling people what is scummy and what is not scummy, no answers, no pushing, no anything really at all and then complains nobody is pushing the thread forward *Can't give answers for questions people haven't asked me. *Of course I'm going to tell people what I think is/isn't scummy because that's the objective of the game. *I'm pushing Damdred/lion at the moment so I don't know where "no pushing" came from. *I'm asking questions which get left open, and then I push for the thread to be more active. Which is apparently grounds for a scumread somehow. Really this vote doesn't make any sense. If you have something to ask me/pressure me on, then get at me. Otherwise go do something else instead of lurk and then attack me as soon as I push for more activity. | ||
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Opinions on them? | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote: what do you think about me obiwan? You know what that post reads like? + Show Spoiler + Do you like me? [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] Maybe ^ This. I guess you look town though. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote: That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote: okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier? Damdred you're thoughts on them as well? *I know i've made no mention of him yet. I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe. I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:43 Holyflare wrote: i don't think he was insistent at all he asked me why i didn't vote oats despite saying i did and that was it So where's the follow up on your vote? Where's your interest in figuring me out/lynching mafia? You put your vote on me and started talking about random shit, even after two other people called you on your shitvote which you have done nothing to fix. Care to explain? | ||
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On October 07 2014 13:10 Holyflare wrote: i don't need to follow up when what i can already see is right there in your filter If that's really your answer, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to get you lynched.  | ||
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Holyflare is just being really dumb right now and it's hard to see him coming to those kinds of conclusions as town. | ||
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So what's inherently scummy about pushing conversation away from something provably pointless? Oh right, nothing. Because you've fixated on one aspect of my filter and have completely failed to try to see any potential town motivation as to what I'm doing. Hopeless and I have both called you on your shitvote and you've ignored both of us. Go back and read it unless you feel like ignoring more facts in favor of pushing nonsense. | ||
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On October 07 2014 13:34 Grackaroni wrote: Obi are you scum reading Lian/Damdred? Why did you choose them specifically to talk about with Hopeless? I just explained why in my wall. They're both focusing on irrelevancies (BH's rng lynch and the possible implications). I really can't see where Lian is coming from at all, but I think damdred's response was okay. | ||
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Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. | ||
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On October 07 2014 13:41 Holyflare wrote: I'd love for you to be town and prove me wrong by actually pushing something that happened in the game previously that you said you read but for now you haven't done that. Nice deflect, bro. You know what's funny? I went back in the game and found you fixating on more stupid shit. So I still don't see the point of wading through garbage just to have you force me through more useless garbage. You are so scum this game I don't even. I DON'T EVEN. Pedit: Just refreshed. You're emphasizing someone siding with you but you've still completely ignored the fact that two people have commented on your vote being stupid. Hilarious. | ||
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On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote: What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. This argument goes two ways. I can't give thoughts on BH because he literally always does this. Nobody involved in the BH read-gathering debacle can divulge anything of interest because there is nothing of interest there: hence why I think it's weird that people are pushing the idea of him being so scummy for doing something so bog-standard in the first place. If you have an actual opinion on BH's alignment, definitely let me in the know, because I'm pretty in the dark on this one. | ||
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It's a hard thing for me to explain but I like the way he's interacting with me and the way he words his posts. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:07 Holyflare wrote: Why do I care if people think my vote is stupid if it's literally what I can see in your filter with my own eyes? The fact they call it stupid just means that they are wrong or also mafia. Well I'm not mafia. And I don't think that Hopeless is mafia. Ergo that means both of us are wrong about my own filter and that you have magic glasses that can only see what you want to see. Qed. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:10 Grackaroni wrote: lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games. I like Obiwan for a vote. ##Unvote: OO ##Vote: Obiwan You might. I don't. And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't think you've really read anything I blatantly haven't done this. I've payed attention to like the first 3 pages or so and the last few I've been posting on. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:14 Grackaroni wrote: This post in particular. BH could easily avoid answering the question in a BH-y way. Even though he is doing his standard random lynch he's actually providing some nice insight. Okay. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:16 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah that was my point. You're complaining that nobody is making content and you haven't even made an effort to read the thread - combined with what HF has pointed out about your lack of stances on people. I complained that the thread is stagnating and that I'm trying to move it forward. Which is the part of his post that you didn't read, because he said that I'm just trying to move it into nothingness based on the no evidence that he's pulled from the thread. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:19 Alakaslam wrote: Well yeah; you moved it forward to lynching you from comfortably lynching OO Thumbs up much success 10/10. Holyflare still scum. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:21 Holyflare wrote: but he read through the entire thread and literally has no opinions Except I literally didn't do this. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote: straight into how bh does this as every alignment bs, no conclusions from reading, no reads, nothing whatsoever but telling people that what bh is doing is null you have no actual opinions on ANYTHING that happened pre-bh rng You're right. I don't. Because I didn't reread anything that happened before that. I said I would, and then I didn't, because I didn't feel like it. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah this is a really strange post. How can you really say this sincerely from the perspective of somebody who hasn't even read through the thread. For all you knew somebody could have been spewing towniness and you just never read it. Because we hit 20 pages by the end of the first half of the day, and from the looks of the early game and BH's random lynching, I was under the impression that nothing of great importance happened. You're acting like one of two good townreads are super important, and they're not. We have 14 players. That's not enough. We need more. If you're really going to get your panties in a bunch about this, I'll go and reread the entire game and say stuff. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote: so you're telling me you come into the thread and can't be fucked to read any of the game whatsoever and then you start ranting at people and telling them how BH thing is null so that effectively leaves you with nothing and you didn't think it would be apt to comment on anything previous to the giant alignment null enigma that is BH!?!?!? Only then to complain that nothing is happening and people are lazy only to be the one that hasn't read anything at all so even if we said something you wouldn't know what the fuck we are talking about????? I was focusing on the people trying to get reads off of something you couldn't get reads off of, IE BH's rng lynch nonsense. Seriously I've told you like 50 times get it through your head pls. | ||
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Fuck the rest of you. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:41 Holyflare wrote: you've just repeatedly shut down anyone that is scum reading bh and then picked up on damd who isn't even talking about bh, he's talking about OO and actually makes sense in some regards so how can you possibly be getting reads when instead you are just telling them they are wrong and repeating yourself? i don't need to follow up when what i can already see is right there in your filter Am wondering where this went. Also am wishing it was true because I'm kind of annoyed. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote: I do need to follow up if you're trying to twist things into a false reality so that people don't believe it. I know how lazy people are at reading filters. Except this is provably untrue because Hopeless and I were on the same page. Unless, of course, you think we're both mafia which you haven't really addressed at all. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote: I do need to follow up if you're trying to twist things into a false reality so that people don't believe it. I know how lazy people are at reading filters. This just in: I am a Time Lord. More at 11. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:49 Holyflare wrote: slam posts exactly what I said before I even elaborated on it so knows exactly what I mean, grack has also agreed with the sentiment, hopeless' post about me being silly didn't even make any sense and you are the person being scum read This goes both ways. Like we're arguing in circles about the exact same stuff the other person is arguing about. It's really dumb. | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:53 Holyflare wrote: this quite literally does not go both ways because hopeless' post LITERALLY made no sense, he quoted everything that makes you scummy and then said wtf even if it did make sense i don't even care because why does what he say make anything better? I had a suspicion based on your filter and so i purposefully left my reason for scum reading you a "read your filter" to make sure people were on the same page. Lo and behold they were. Except it did. It might not to you, because you're tunneling the fuck out of me and ignoring every single thing I'm saying in favor of thinking I'm mafia. So I'd suggest you either take a step back and reacquaint yourself with the Hopeless/me interaction in favor of getting some perspective, or prepare to be completely ignored. I'm not going to waste my time talking to you if you're just going to blindly tunnel me for the rest of the day. It's a lost cause. | ||
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And I never even managed to finish my reread. So there's also that. Good job. | ||
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I was under the impression that obi had actually read the thread and was about to...do...things, once he'd gotten people to drop the RNG discussion. Evidently I was wrong. Obi do you have any reads based on...reading? Ye. Kelsier is definitely in my town circle after his last few posts. I liked how he approached the Holyflare/me fight (wait for him to catch up, he can't formulate reads while you're attacking him, etc) because it feels like he's trying to figure out what my angle is specifically, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions about what I'm doing based on how I interacted with the BH nonsense. Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) Holyflare's filter is basically him just blowing up useless stuff, IE me "not doing anything," getting mad at me for trying to get people off of BH's nonsense, blowing up Oats' claim stuff. I really don't see a whole lot of "useful" from his filter, and it looks like he's fixating on nothing but silly shit. The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy. Also, I rescind my townread on Grack. Not reading the thread =/= alignment indicative, but he pushes me based on the fact that I didn't know whether or not he called BH town. It's an incredibly superficial push and I don't like it. Like...I know two of my scumreads are based on omgus, but I feel like both of them are stupid enough to warrant it. I don't feel confident reading any other players right now. Looking back, I don't feel confident making many reads based on the few pages that I missed. I feel like I hit the most important topic that I wanted to cover (the people who were pushing the random voters) and I developed my reads off of it. I still want to see more from Batsnacks and BH and I'd prefer to interact with them before formulating reads on either of them. | ||
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Really don't know what he's doing right now, but eh. | ||
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On October 08 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote: This isn't true by the way, grack is pushing you because you answered hopeless about him and kelsier and you said that you think their both townyish but then later admitted that you hadn't read gracks filter at all Except he said none of these things and pushed me on not knowing if he said BH was town or not. Might be easier for you to answer for him if you already know his alignment. | ||
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Which he has done twice now and has been wrong both times. | ||
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So that is a thing. | ||
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I am hurt. | ||
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It's a plynch and nothing more. I don't get why you guys try to convince people with these giant walls and stuff. | ||
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The first one was hilarious. The second will be doubly so. | ||
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In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon. I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote: doesn't mention anything about palmar, doesn't say anything about the people voting him even though he thinks they were mafia before, wants to lynch palmar wut This guy is still scum, btw. | ||
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Holyflare, maybe Grack. Mostly Holyflare. | ||
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On October 08 2014 11:53 Holyflare wrote: obi with the throwaway scrub vote, prob mafia Please shut up. | ||
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On October 08 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote: I actually want to cutabitch obi purely because his vote is in not only a useless spot lynching a towny but because he has no relevant information towards this OO wagon whatsoever and even now his target is not getting lynched he has said absolutely nothing towards pushing me whatsoever, he has returned at deadline to further say nothing despite a lot of pages happening since his last post, obi is most likely mafia. The bottom line is that OO is a policy lynch, plain and simple. Me not contributing towards a policy lynch doesn't make me mafia. Literally the dumbest. | ||
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On October 08 2014 12:54 Grackaroni wrote: that's fair. But you still haven't answered my question of how you were able to look into me and make a read on me without reading my filter or the thread I said you looked town. That's it. If you honestly believe that that's an in-depth read that requires filter diving then I don't know what to tell you. | ||
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On October 08 2014 12:54 Blazinghand wrote: not even remotely related to why you're scum Why are you being such an idiot rn? | ||
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Hue. | ||
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On October 08 2014 13:02 Grackaroni wrote: Really did not expect that Basically, lool. | ||
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On October 08 2014 13:05 Grackaroni wrote: lol is that a concession? ...No? I'm just annoyed that someone rolls scum and basically just stops playing. It makes me feel dumb. | ||
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On October 08 2014 13:05 Holyflare wrote: i've got a gun, obi's only target is a gunner. obi is getting shot I dare you to shoot me. | ||
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On October 08 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote: that's not really a dare is it It is. I dare you to shoot me. Watch my flip and feel even dumber than I do now. | ||
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Like he always does. | ||
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On October 08 2014 23:52 Damdred wrote: So why were you so upset over the lynch obi Because it was easy. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:00 Oatsmaster wrote: And the other 2 scum are just there for the taking Obi? I don't get what you're trying to say here. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote: You are angry that the game is so easy. But the game isnt actually so easy. So you are angry for no logical reason. No, I'm angry because that lynch was really easy and I just didn't see it producing mafia. I don't know why you're drawing the conclusion that I'm angry that the whole game is easy. On the contrary, this game just became quite difficult because not only do I have to find mafia, but I have to avoid being vig shot and lynched because I didn't understand the meta read on OO. I don't get your logic. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:13 Oatsmaster wrote: But instead of doing what you said you have to do, you spend your time responding to stupid shit like what me and storr said. Nice. If you think it's stupid shit, then why are you posting it? | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:24 Holyflare wrote: Obi you still haven't updated your reads. You only have a town as your main read. I still don't have a townread on you, if that's what you're implying. I can totally see a world in which you bus the fuck out of a partner that isn't playing. And this wouldn't even be the first time that you've done this. | ||
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Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:36 batsnacks wrote: Is that really the most unbelievable thing about his claim? Sure, why not. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote: No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him For srs? | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote: yeh HF is town Obi probably scum Explain your reasoning pls. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If you think it's stupid shit, then why are you posting it? Am still waiting for an answer to this, btw. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote: I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy. And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr? The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility. The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me. And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now. No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow. And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment. Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you? Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis: 1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon. Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things? 2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack? The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: You think its stupid shit. I think its fine. Ultimately though, your opinion is the only thing that matters to you. No. But instead of doing what you said you have to do, you spend your time responding to stupid shit like what me and storr said. Nice. You said it was stupid shit. This is what is called baseless mudslinging and it is quite annoying. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote: I would be able to answer this question pretty easily... But only if I'm town. Do you think town has the same kind of self-awareness/groupthink of a scumteam behind them? What makes you think he would be able to answer this question both truthfully and accurately? | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:32 batsnacks wrote: I asked for an opinion (his), not a fact And what do you get out of it? What will his answer tell you about his alignment? | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I said in your perspective that it was stupid shit. Look im fine with you wanting to continue this conversation with me. I dont have a gun pointed at my head. Im just thinking that it would be in your best interests to make yourself look townie. No you didn't. You said it was stupid shit. I never said anything about your questions/statements being stupid shit until you brought it up. I was under the impression that one would desire to have their questions directed at me answered. Turning around and saying that your own questions are "stupid shit" just because I stopped to answer them when I entered the thread is scummy as fuck. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: heyyyy buddies man. Me and Obi saying the same shit. Heh. Hmmmm... | ||
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Idk. Maybe I'll leave you alone for now. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote: I really want him to be mafia so it would be great if he could help me scum read him. Were it so easy. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: No not really, that question was just an annoying one. That's such an awkward way to classify your own posting. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote: Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact. Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy. I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked. honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway b) the only alternative was yourself so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory. I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad. All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions. If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote: btw obi is most likely not mafia it's just fun shooting him anyway </3 | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote: hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing. See you. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:20 Blazinghand wrote: This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe Then I can just poke holes in your case and call it stupid as well, especially since I've addressed your case about a thousand times over before you even posted it. So if you want to continue to be nitpicky n' shit, go ahead. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote: what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me. I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me. give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you. Because I am town and they are not me. Qed. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:27 Damdred wrote: Obi just bust out some reads on people right now, bleed town if you are town. Alternatively people can start playing the game and stop focusing on me exclusively. This will, in turn, make it easier to garner reads. Focusing on me by myself is just going to lead to a circle of people pouring over what I'm saying and poking holes in it regardless of what I actually say. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote: ugh I meant give me something that makes them scum. I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly. Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:31 Blazinghand wrote: yeah, "nitpicky" about the fact you tried to derail the lynch at the last moment you're a funny guy OWS Except I didn't actually do this and I explained myself about a gajillion times. You are nitpicking. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:35 Damdred wrote: Obviously i'm going to update my reads as we get closer to day break and even though i've asked lots of questions i've given a couple town reads even if some of them are lacking. OO was policy but had scummy things going on just what it was. Anyway, you did try to derail the lynch and backpedaled out of it so you deserve a little of the pressure just be town obi and you won't get lynched today, never known you to get this upset about pressure before though. Again, except I didn't actually do this and I explained it about a gajillion times. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:34 KelsierSC wrote: So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy. I can't find anything that makes them anything. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:38 Blazinghand wrote: You can equivocate all you want, but when push came to shove, when the going got tough, you tried to derail the lynch. It's fact. You're dying tomorrow. If you're somehow town (hint: you're not, so you won't do this) you'll spend the last 60 hours you have alive making reads and leaving us with something useful. Since you're scum, you're just going to whine and complain until we lynch you. Good luck with that. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:40 KelsierSC wrote: Right that is the whole fucking deal you say we need to lynch them but you can't even say why. I say they're good lynch targets, not that we need to lynch them. Understand that if I'm town, it's incredibly convenient that these people can just sit by and do nothing while you pressure me based on wording and other nonsense that doesn't lead anywhere. If I'm scum, what do they gain from letting other people go ham on me repeatedly? Wouldn't they be more interested in lynching me? Just a sense of context, really. Their posts don't have anything overtly scummy in them, but this is a matter of "they're not actually posting anything, just sitting back and letting stuff happen." | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote: Ok obi, just for arguments sake i'll take the stance that you were making a joke because you did not like the policy lynch. Could you elaborate on the bolded portion of this post for me. Just a quick explanation of who you would want to lynch tomorrow and why, was it just hf or someone else. Read my filter. This was already explained. | ||
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Why do people have him as town? | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote: BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. The RNG lynch is not a tell. You can't use this to read BH because he does this regardless of alignment. When analyzing someone, even if they're interested, you need to understand that reading the quality of their arguments and how they're pushing them is part of figuring out if someone is mafia. You hosted the last game I was in where Superbia was scum. Think: he was making big posts and he looked like he was interested. Did that make him town? BH is nitpicking into my filter and disregarding every single other thing that I've done this game. He's focused on a tiny aspect of my play (namely that people think I tried to derail the lynch, which is up in the air despite me arguing my real intentions over and over) instead of trying to gather any sort of perspective in regards to what I'm doing. It takes an incredibly scummy mindset to only look for mistakes instead of going through a filter and piecing together someone's motives. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote: why aren't you focusing on people off the oo wagon if those are the people you thought would be mafia obi...??? I am. I just talked to Kelsier about this. I have several people I'm discussing right now and I don't need more people jumping down my throat about stupid stuff. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:00 Holyflare wrote: you said that you have no information on them which isn't really true because you already wanted to lynch grack for something else and then you jumped straight to a bh conspiracy instead of picking out which players were most likely scum out of your list of people off the wagon I didn't "immediately jump" to a conspiracy theory. He came in and posted bad analysis and it affected my read. What the fuck. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:02 Holyflare wrote: 2 of your scum reads are then on the OO wagon so really what you said earlier was a crock of shit Which I already admitted it was because I changed my mind when you started talking about OO's modus operandi. Really I could stand to lynch several people right now, OO wagon or no. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:05 Damdred wrote: snip Grack posted bad analysis and I changed my read. He went from "approaching a situation with reasonable doubt" to "this guy is scum because he didn't read my filter" which is bad analysis. There's no "non-reason" that I can see, so if you could elaborate on that point, that would be cool because I'm apparently not in the know. The rest of my lynch targets I have either talked over with Kelsier as of the past hour or so, or I've outright told you. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:06 Holyflare wrote: lian is an excellent cop check btw Why do you think this? | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:11 Damdred wrote: Then talk about lian then, since you were interested in talking about him obi and he was in your list post and what he did didn't sit well with you but you still fail to mention him again and i can't find him in your filter. xpost | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote: i think it's pretty obvious if you were reading mine or bh's (your scum reads filters), it's because of how he handled the OO scum read and didn't vote him on principle but then gave other scum suspects anyway but then voted him right at the end when it didn't really matter anyway I'd love to. Right after I stop getting shoved through a fucking meat grinder over every little god damn thing I've said. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote: i think it's pretty obvious if you were reading mine or bh's (your scum reads filters), it's because of how he handled the OO scum read and didn't vote him on principle but then gave other scum suspects anyway but then voted him right at the end when it didn't really matter anyway Actually, I already commented on this myself and then you critiqued me on some other meaningless bullshit. So you might want to read my filter if that's the angle you're going to push. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: *Kind of like how mafia might show up after a lynch and complain that it was a bad lynch while having done nothing to try to change the lynch earlier,  id nothing to get the lynch off of what you perceive to be his partner.Yes. Very scum. 10/10 | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:23 Damdred wrote: So how are you reading loan mow obi? I know you didn't like how he used his vote but why not cop check him? Is he scummy or not to you It hasn't changed. I've posted absolutely nothing to indicate that I've changed it at any point so I would think that my read on him is relatively similar to what it was. | ||
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You're accusing me of complaining about the lynch while doing nothing to change it. I did nothing to divert the lynch off of scum. Thus I am scum. Qed. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: The only reason i keep asking obi is that i'm on my phone and its getting really hard to find anything and trying to filter dive so if you could link me to the post where your read is if i missed it it would be really appreciated so i could quit wasteing both of our times You already quoted and bolded it. That was my read. It hasn't changed. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:39 Damdred wrote: If you mean this, I have a few problems with it. Like whats your conclusion besides you do not like it based on his filter and everything else. And why would you seem surprised or against hat he deserves to get cop checked? I don't seem anything with him being cop checked. I think it's a good idea. Really I don't know what you're doing because all I did was ask a question about Holyflare's reasoning, being that his current method of attack is to randomly drop names. | ||
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I'm sorry if I'm coming across as brash or rude or whatever, but that's just how I do things. | ||
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I AM GOING TO GO PLAY STREET FIGHTER NOW. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING LESS SUSPICIOUS OF ME. | ||
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On October 09 2014 06:37 KelsierSC wrote: So going to bed going to give more details in day but for now store,bh,bs,grack ,hf and palmer are my strong town. scum are obi and lian everyone else was towny enough d1 or null but voted on OO so need to evaluate them d2 . I can't even tell if you're reading the thread anymore. | ||
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On October 09 2014 10:46 Holyflare wrote: going to bed, i shot obi, gg y u do dis | ||
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Chupazi brotherhood 5ever. | ||
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Hilarious, yet adorable. | ||
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And he would stop trying to kill me for bad reasons. That would be spectacular. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:09 Damdred wrote: If I was a medic I might save hf tonight maybe..... Anyway I reread you after a bit obi and I gave you to hard a time I think I wanted more concrete things from you when nothing was really to solid in the thread and wanted you to use labels. So sorry about that I think you could be town obi especially with how you stayed and faught your lynch back or at least for tommoeow Part of the game yo, it's cool. Who's scum? | ||
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Confirmed liar. | ||
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...And Holyflare will be my dead Robin. | ||
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And probably BH, now that I think about it. lool | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:05 Holyflare wrote: im waiting for the red check on hopeless I thought you were waiting for a red check on lian. Are you even going to lynch anyone without checks. | ||
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Can I get some opinions on Hopeless? It's like he's one of those players that a bunch of people are suspicious of but nobody wants to pull the trigger. Thoughts. Go. | ||
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Seriously though, let me take the wheel. I got this shit. ##vote hopeless1der | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's nice. I can get hopeless lynched without you. Aimed at BH and not my qtpie. | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:28 Holyflare wrote: actually think you've probably claimed mafia like 7 times already though i just can't be bothered to read your posts properly This, lool. Also, I'm off. I'm going to go play more Street Fighter. | ||
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On October 09 2014 14:57 liancourt wrote: is it like the ploy you did during night where you said you were gonna shoot obi then suddenly jumped to BH and then say afterwards that it saved BH's life? I don't even...try explaining your thought processes on that matter because I can't even begin to understand, seemed like you were having fun trolling. There is a distinct lack of Hopeless voting going on in this post. | ||
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On October 09 2014 14:59 Holyflare wrote: Mostly the red check Alternatively alternatively, HF has a red check and then we lynch Hopeless to find out if he's real or not. So...We lynch Hopeless anyway. | ||
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Look at his filter and tell me that's a strong opinionated townie. It's basically one guy doing the absolute bare minimum to get by without giving his opinion on anything. Off the top of my head, I remember he has a "kind of" scumread on Lian who has actually been doing stuff. Lynch Hopeless. Lynch him faster. | ||
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If you're not going to follow me when I'm leading on mafia then you can just stop posting entirely. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:10 KelsierSC wrote: I will hard defend anyone that you think is scum Then continue to be bad at this game. | ||
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WHY ARE YOU VOTING DAMDRED AND NOT HOPELESS? | ||
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More like Badsnacks. Ohoho. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote: what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop. Unimportant. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote: fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote: then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here" Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia. As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes. I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze. | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote: that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian? right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening. My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point. | ||
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So no, I'm not giving you any town points for voting someone who blatantly doesn't try and sets out to get himself killed on day 1. Try again. | ||
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Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote: fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter" You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." | ||
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You are so fucking scum it hurts my eyeballs. Get lynched, sucker. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:25 KelsierSC wrote: Obi you didn't answer my question I'm ignoring whatever it is because I'm sure it's not really important. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote: Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated. :D | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:31 Hopeless1der wrote: tbh feels townie. Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town. TLDR: I am looking for easy targets so I will buddy up to HF despite thinking he was scum early on day 1. Qed. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote: You show me where I actually scumread HF, go ahead. It doesn't matter if you thought he was actually scum or not, but the issue is that when a player confuses you or looks scummy or whatever, you go after them and ask them questions and try to figure them out. You never, ever did this. The points behind the motivations of your HF/Obi interaction are still superscum and you have yet to explain them away at all. I see no reason to ever move my vote, and if the others have any sense, they will sheep me to glorious victory. GLORIOUS VICTORY, COMRADES. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Player=HolyFlare I assert that your argument falls to pieces. I have nothing to explain here. Not really. Saying that Holyflare is town because it's easier than trying to read him is basically the epitome of making up reasons to townread someone. So you're still scum and you still need to get lynched. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote: So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me. Earlier in day 1 you said my posting wasn't the same. Now it was the same? | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote: What kelsier just said, +his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this) + refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads + making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town. So let me get this straight. HF didn't want to kill Lian. HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway. If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway. Can we please lynch this guy already. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:56 batsnacks wrote: No. You aren't even doing that thing where you randomly show up and say "Hello" "Sup" Hello. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote: I didn't vote with HF, I voted with the power of RNGesus on my side. Ye of little faith, woe betide you. Yeah, HF just happened to be on the vote that he made up reasons to be on anyway, according to you. I love how you bussed your partner and gained absolutely nothing from it. | ||
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I BETTER IGNORE HIM IN CASE HE SHITS ON ME EVEN MORE | ||
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On October 10 2014 02:05 batsnacks wrote: What do you guys think about damdred/his case? There is no chance I lynch anyone but Hopeless today. Damdred is town though. | ||
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A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together. | ||
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On October 10 2014 02:15 batsnacks wrote: Last I saw obi you wanted to lynch Liam at the start of the day, then you said he's "actually doing stuff." I don't really know how you feel about him. That makes two of us. | ||
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Lynch Hopeless. | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote: Yes when you put them altogether it looks incredibly scummy but this guy got lynched like 9/10 times in his initial games as town so much so he remade a different account just to hide that terrible meta Well this is a disgusting way of classifying my actions. It's partially true, but it's disgusting nonetheless. | ||
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Holy y u do dis. | ||
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I've only been lynched three times as town, and two of those were newbie games. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:01 KelsierSC wrote: can you get to the part where you defend yourself please. No shut up my peen is at stake. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:06 Holyflare wrote: You should probably explain your town read on me at least Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:10 batsnacks wrote: Obi you're giving Chelsea high blood pressure you should explain your HF read before he starts having complications I'm trying, but it's taking me a while because apparently I'm really bad at playing town by leading us to mafia. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:18 Holyflare wrote: Which is what i did all day yesterday when you scum read me....? No you didn't. You attacked me for a bunch of stupid shit that even scum called you out on. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:18 KelsierSC wrote: at the end of d1 he was your top lynch, you voted him. I read through hf n1, I didn't really see a huge amount of effort/pressuring people. then d2 starts and you are happy to believe his claim and sheep his read. your town read is just generic gibberish, "i like his effort, he looks like wants to understand." I see absolutely nothing in the night that could have made you switch so much. Why is it that you believe I explicitly believe his claim? I have a strong case on Hopeless and I'm going after him full force. I don't know why you think all this tertiary stuff is important. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote: because you fucking voted on hopeless immediately afterwards what the fuck. if your top mafia read decides to lynch someone you think sheeping the read is a good idea? He isn't my top mafia read. This read changed some time ago. This is why I am voting Hopeless, my new top mafia read. Do you want me to hold your hand? | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:29 KelsierSC wrote: still waiting on the strong case btw. you also didn't go full force straight away. you asked this like hey, i need someone other people to go on this. then after 3 people voted, one of whom was your top fucking mafia then you go after him He isn't my top mafia. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:30 KelsierSC wrote: what? hold my hand? at the time you pushed on hope , hf was still one of your top mafia reads, there is nothing in the night that could make you switch from top scum to town. your reasoning doesnt make sense. yet you dont even question the fact your top mafia is voting the same person as you. No he wasn't. Here, let me walk you through this again: HF pressured me and changed his read based on my reaction and responses and showed a good level of understanding towards the points I was trying to make. This is why I thought he was town, and why I still think he is town. It's like I explicitly have to walk you through every little crevasse in my brain just so you can go away. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:32 KelsierSC wrote: at the time he had to have been high up there you know...because you voted on him Yeah, and if I could've unvoted him during the night sequence, I would have. Seriously. You are the only person that thinks I'm mafia at this point and you're reaching new heights of annoying. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:34 KelsierSC wrote: but you voted on him so that is absolute garbage again your read is just generic gibberish, I don't see anything in the night that makes you switch hf from top scum to town. You weren't even a tiny bit suspicous or show any concern about it. Rofl, this is so dumb. You can just continue to tunnel me until Hopeless flips scum. Then you can stop bothering me. I have nothing more to say to you since nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise. | ||
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But that time is most certainly not now. I am going to take a break and I'll reconsider walking you through my thought process later. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:43 StorrZerg wrote: obi is cop with green on hf. hf who is also cop has red on hopeless simple lets just lynch hopeless or liam cause why not You video mafia guys always have the weirdest sense of roleclaims. This is not true. Alright. cool I didn't want to get so heated about things but the only thing that stops me voting hope is the fact that you are the one pushing him and everything you do just seems scummy. And this is why you need to get yourself out of the tunnel. | ||
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Don't even play that card, yo. | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote: This conversation, maybe. n1 conversation, I think no. Man, no respect I tells ya. | ||
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I know how you get with roles. | ||
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Video gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames. | ||
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On October 10 2014 09:14 liancourt wrote: even in your case about hopeless you've mentioned me more than him. Is this really a case about hopeless or just more spotlight on to me? Seems like you actually don't give a hoot and just want to mention my name. It's possible he just thinks you're scum and wants to lynch you, regardless of his other reads. A whole lot of people were leaning that way during day 1 so I wouldn't think it's the most surprising thought in the world. Either way, we're not lynching him today, and I really don't want to lynch you either. Ask yourself if omgus is the primary factor in your scumread and consider voting Hopeless instead. | ||
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Omg that case on HF was so bad. | ||
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On October 10 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote: You can join in the party also obi tell me about the lame scum team who is it besides hopeless for you I haven't bothered looking yet. If I had to guess, I'd be looking at players who are completely ineffectual/useless because nobody is really putting any effort in to derail scum lynches aside from BH. BH is a jubjub though, so we're probably looking at something boring like Palmar or whatever. Maybe Lian. Idrk. | ||
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Well then. | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:43 Holyflare wrote: It baffles me that 100% of the people aren't on hopeless yet | ||
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yeah obiwan's town..i think i want to lynch damdred over lian. going through lian's filter now. On October 11 2014 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote: 23091395 mod 12= 11 = obiwan. grats BH, RBGesus wins again ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi Nice. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote: Me too Scum obiwan takes the path of least resistance... Obiwan is not taking the path of least resistance. I think HF already said something to that effect and I agree. I lynched Palmar when I could've lynched SD. I'd say that's anything but the path of least resistance. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:13 Blazinghand wrote: clearly palmar, with his massive amount of thread presence, was a real threat to you. so much thread presence, so many posts, he was all over the thread. yes, this is a good point you make, definitely valid. We're talking about a completely different game at this point. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:14 StorrZerg wrote: lets be honest, that was just hilarious on your end. + you had no idea hf was going to hammer. you would have looked decent for trying to pull it off a town flip sd. so it was benefit to you. sure doesn't align with "least resistance" but it does set you up, for least resistance for the next day. Many things were hilarious about that lynch. I was gaming the system so hard the scoreboard turned into diamonds. | ||
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Starting with you. Especially you. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: That is actually acceptable, if mildly disheartening. Cool, he accepted his fate. I'm just going to afk the game until he dies. See you. | ||
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It's mostly a perspective thing, but I know he's not actually dumb and if I be town, he'll townread me. | ||
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Mine are better though. Because obviously. | ||
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Nobody is that dense. Nobody. | ||
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You are never going to successfully intimidate him. It simply isn't going to work, so let him do what he wants because his vote will ultimately end up on Hopeless as well. I'd rather not have to worry about you moving your vote around since my ass is kind of on the line atm. | ||
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No it doesn't. | ||
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Hopeless has 5 votes and I have three. If you switch back to him then he still holds a solid majority over me. So no, I seriously doubt I'm dying atm. | ||
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Where do you stand on Hopeless? | ||
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BH really just has no idea what the fuck he's doing this game. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:34 Blazinghand wrote: people BH has lead a lynch on so far: 1 people lynched so far who are scum: 1 You rng'd him. Stop taking credit for shit you had no control over. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:34 StorrZerg wrote: liam >>>>>>>(bats)*>>>>>>>>>>>>> holy > damnd > obi if i had an order for possible lynches today *+ Show Spoiler + only cause he pissing me off and is and idiot So you have no read on Hopeless whatsoever? | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:35 Blazinghand wrote: I RNGed him, yes. But look at it this way: I may have no idea what I'm doing, but I don't let my incompetence get in the way of my talent. I want to hate you. I'm trying really hard to hate you. But I don't. Now stop trying to lynch me. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:37 StorrZerg wrote: my thoughts on hopeless... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=73#1458 So...you think he's scummy? I really don't see any conclusion being drawn there. | ||
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This would explain it. Nevermind then. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:38 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on H1 is 1. H1 doesn't explain anything about 90% of his reads. he has many "these people are odd" reads. 2. H1 reads damd and lian as being scum, and instead of pushing them, townreads a bunch of other people. 3. The townreads he throws up are nonsensical and don't come from any reason 4. HF acted scummy and H1 townread HF for it is this accurate? The case on h1 is that he made up reasons to townread Holyflare after thinking he was scummy for all of day 1. Read everything that I said about him at the start of day 2. | ||
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Already addressed this. I'm at like a million miles a minute here. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:40 Blazinghand wrote: OK, so a nonsensical townread on HF. just out of curiosity, did this townread begin during N1 or D2? I pressured him at day start, so I'm assuming day 2. He said that Holyflare made up reasons to be on the OO lynch, thought that Holyflare was suspicious and didn't want to say anything in case OO flipped town, and then he said that Holyflare was town because he was too hard to read despite putting no effort into questioning him at all. | ||
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I explained it a bajillion times and you're just not listening. | ||
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Read Damdred's post on how hopeless was interacting with people before he moved his vote. | ||
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That's how confident I am. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:53 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah, read my analysis of H1. he too is scummy. Not like you, he didn't put a super serious effort into it, and he got onto the wagon way early, which is less scummy. Though I just realized, it's possible he was planning to jump off, then circumstances made it impossible. So that's another way his actions would make sense for scum. In any case, OWS, you die first. You're really bad at this game. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:54 Blazinghand wrote: If, through some unlikely circumstance, H1 flips town and you're town and you lie down and get lynched, you're awful. Don't do that. Always fight. Always. Make your voice heard. Write cases. force people to take stances while you still have a chance to speak. if you die, you become conftown, so you have to make your time valuable. basic stuff, people. It's a form of confident rhetoric. Dude. | ||
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Every single person who doesn't want to lynch me understands exactly where I'm coming from when I said that because they were all in the same game. Coincidentally, almost all of the same people are voting with me except Batsnacks, because Batsnacks. Go read it and understand. Specifically the day 2 lynch. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: It's dumb confident rhetoric, because it's literally saying "If I'm wrong, I'm also going to be incompetent in the future" how could that possibly be a useful thing to say Because I'm not wrong. Stop blowing up unimportant stuff. | ||
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I'd rather have everyone voting between us since this is a highly contested lynch. It tells us a lot if/when Hopeless flips scum. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:14 liancourt wrote: what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum? The person who got the most votes first still gets lynched. Which will be Hopeless if all goes correctly. | ||
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Well then forcing a no lynch is a scumclaim. Don't do it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:29 liancourt wrote: you're at an advantage so you'd say this. No threat of you being lynched and at worst u and hope don't get lynched and we have the same discussion on d3. With the way it's going now best scenario for you is hope flipping scum. But what if hope flips town does that make you scum? No, you don't get it. Town is going to drop every conceivable thing to hiplynch you if you force a nolynch. If I was really at an advantage, I wouldn't be on the lynch table now would I? | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:35 Holyflare wrote: Anyone wanna switch to palmar for the lolz? This guy is trying to save his scum buddy. We lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:39 batsnacks wrote: Which is why it would be funny if we lynched him. Again. Don't tempt me. He won't be able to defend himself again. | ||
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We can cfd him tomorrow or something. I mean we won't do that. But we will. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:48 Holyflare wrote: Obi why did you write this day 1 but then day 2 say hopeless' filter looks like classic mafia? Because early on in day 1, he was questioning you with me so he looked okay at the time. Later on, I went back and looked at his filter after everything that had happened. Lots of filler and instigating. Classic mafia. And then I proved he made up reasons to townread people. | ||
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Palmar: Null. I explained why I thought he could be mafia earlier with Damdred, because I'm still pretty sure Hopeless is scum and the only person at the time trying to derail the lynch on him was BH/Kelsier. He hasn't really put a whole lot of effort into the game and it makes him really annoying to read, but he isn't voting me and fucking off. Idk. I'm tempted to call him town just for voting with me and not jumping down my throat but that's it. And no, I'm not actually going to CFD him today. Holyflare: Town. I explained this before. He was townreading me when it would've been really easy to jump down my throat before and his reads are evolving in tangent with the thread as a whole. I have no reason to believe this guy is scum this game. Kelsier: Null. On one hand, it would be really hard for him to fabricate this kind of tunnel for this long without slipping or whatnot, and he's being really bullheaded about it in spite of all evidence to the contrary. On the other hand...He refuses to read the Hopeless case and keeps calling it bad for bad reasons. BH: Town. He actually read Hopeless and still considers lynching him, proving that he's actually reading the thread and shows that he's capable of picking out problem posts from other players. Still wants to lynch me, but I'm still sure this is in part due to jubbery. Storr: Town. Saying a lot of smart stuff, IE "I know where Obi is coming from when he says this stuff and I refuse to believe some storyline about derailing a lynch because of whatever the fuck BH is saying." Damdred: Town. Everything he says is well-explained and I don't see any discrepancies in his play whatsoever. I don't see a single reason to read this guy as scum. Grackaroni: Town lean. Voted Hopeless and sees the problem with BH's case. I don't really know much about him aside from voting with me; it doesn't seem like he's had a whole lot of impact on what's going on at the moment, but I see him around poking fun at stuff. At least he's voting correctly. Lian/Slam: Null. Really have no idea what to make of these two. None. I already talked about Lian before and I really don't want to take him out soon because I don't particularly like the case on him in the sense that I think it makes him mafia. I'd like to call Slam town because of his energy but that's it. Batsnacks: Town. Seems pretty carefree at times but he's serious when he wants to figure something out. He's had a series of posts where he tries to reason stuff out, which I've always considered to be a strong indication of someone being town. Hopeless: Scum. I've explained why. Funny part? Instead of defending himself against my accusation, he tries to stall for time by forcing me to give my townreads, and this is after he spent all game calling people town for no reason. I'm not sure if I forgot anybody but I'm in a hurry, seeing as how we asked me for this shit right next to deadline. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:18 Holyflare wrote: Meeehhhhhhhhhhh That's it? After you flip the fuck out over me not engaging mafia? That's all you have to say? | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote: I'm saying meh because you both could be town Why is he town? All day you went on about Hopeless being obvious mafia, and I still think that he is. Where is this coming from? | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:27 Holyflare wrote: Should i paste the same picture that i did to palmar about the pot and kettle? You scum read me all day 1, voted for me and changed that read immediately in a night and now it's bad i can change a read? *Over the course of a night. Twelve hours and a flip is plenty of time to change a read. *I don't see a single reason to warrant townreading Hopeless. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote: I liked how he explained everything so well i dunno how to explain it, he made me all tingly. Like he was happy to defend that case against him because he knew he was town kind of way I don't see it. Even if I did, I still can't see the contradictions in his play be worth overlooking to consider not lynching him over it. He had plenty of time to defend himself but put me on /ignore when I engaged him over it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:35 Holyflare wrote: What contradictions are you even talking about? The ones I pointed out at day start. | ||
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You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." It doesn't matter if you thought he was actually scum or not, but the issue is that when a player confuses you or looks scummy or whatever, you go after them and ask them questions and try to figure them out. You never, ever did this. The points behind the motivations of your HF/Obi interaction are still superscum and you have yet to explain them away at all. I see no reason to ever move my vote, and if the others have any sense, they will sheep me to glorious victory. GLORIOUS VICTORY, COMRADES. Not really. Saying that Holyflare is town because it's easier than trying to read him is basically the epitome of making up reasons to townread someone. So you're still scum and you still need to get lynched. So let me get this straight. HF didn't want to kill Lian. HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway. If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway. Can we please lynch this guy already. I copypasted. The back and forth starts on page 74 or so. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:43 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah i've definitely given a response to all that obiwan, you're just sure that it makes me scum. If you still think so, I'm not likely to change your mind in the next 15 minutes or so. No you didn't. You put me on ignore and then ignored it right up until now. Gtfo. | ||
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ME OR HOPELESS. ONLY HOPELESS THOUGH. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:44 batsnacks wrote: obiwan you are the most guilty person in this game of bolded Nobody ever had a case on me that I flat out ignored forever. I mostly shut down conversation to either help people cool off or to get my own head level. Hopeless was cornered and just fucked off period. There is a huge difference. | ||
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I MEAN REALLY NOW | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:47 Damdred wrote: I disagree obi hopeless didn't just fuck off he did come back and fight, he looks more towny than he did. theres still a good chance hes scum Not when I made my case, but that's besides the point. I think we have an incredibly high percentage scum lynch here. I want to lynch Hopeless. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:48 Holyflare wrote: Look everyone get back on hopeless. Today is NOT the day where we do shenanigans or vote off the two wagons. We absolutely have to kill this discussion today and if hopeless flips town seriously reevaluate people. I know I have you as town, but you just won even more townpoints for this. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:55 Holyflare wrote: Slam could be mafia....... I came to this conclusion as well. It's entirely possible. | ||
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WHAT'S UP. | ||
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On October 11 2014 13:19 Holyflare wrote: You still think obi is mafia..... It's possible with his conviction to lynch hopeless based on nothing... I fucking gave you all reasons. I pushed that lynch. Nobody gives me credit for anything I swear. | ||
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How in the actual fuck. | ||
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On October 11 2014 14:16 Blazinghand wrote: h8 all u want m8 but i st8 that OWS is scum Fuck's sake. Go away already. | ||
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Lian's vote is counterintuitive in terms of saving Hopeless, so unless you think his gameplan was to get bussed/attacked by his partner at the outset of the game, he's probably town. And I don't put faith into HF's roleclaims anymore since he claimed like 50 billion roles so far. | ||
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Tbh I don't like that fact but I have a really hard time seeing him flip scum. | ||
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Besides, even if we did, town would have: Vig/RB/Cop. Seems imba, no? | ||
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Idk. Idk. Do what you gotta do grack. I'll lynch through the people on my wagon eventually. | ||
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Ugh. | ||
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So we're down to only a few lynch targets, and you can get another shot off on someone suspicious. This works. You're probably just going to end up shooting either Slam or KSC, depending on who we don't lynch though. | ||
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Let's take a look at the player list of people left and why they would be shot night 1: Obi - Flattering, but nobody is going to shoot me night one. Damdred - Not a night one shot. Grack - Confirmed vigi, isn't dead. Obviously wasn't shot. Holyflare - Possibly shot, condemned by mafia on their death bed. Palmar - Another possible shot. KSC - Not a night one shot. Slam - Slam never dies. Ever. Not a night one shot. Storr - Maybe. I'd probably need someone to talk it over with me. So in the end, we're left with the most likely night 1 kills: Holyflare, Palmar, and Storr. After yesterday, there's no chance Holyflare is scum. He already knows the benefit of CFDing onto another target with such controversy surrounding players the way that lynch went down. And there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't have been able to pull that off. So we're left with Storr and Palmar. | ||
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On October 12 2014 13:30 Grackaroni wrote: Blazinghand/HF were the only realistic shots for mafia to make I think you might be letting confirmation bias affect you. I just don't see the scum motivation in HF's posting at all. | ||
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On October 12 2014 13:41 Grackaroni wrote: I'm saying those are the people who could have realistically been shot by mafia night one. Palmar was a non-presence and Storr did nothing but tunnel Lian and Lian wasn't mafia You are grossly underestimating the number of times I've seen Palmar get shot night one, even when he wasn't doing anything. Especially when he wasn't doing anything. | ||
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On October 12 2014 13:46 StorrZerg wrote: liam shot was good will help town focus. lets be honest he was probably going to be the lynch today if he wasn't shot Not really. I explained why this wouldn't be the case. =/ Regardless, if Storr was wrong this whole time and got fixated on Lian, especially knowing that he isn't mafia, mafia probably wouldn't shoot him for being that wrong. So, really, the only kills left are Holyflare and Palmar. And I don't think Holyflare is scum. Palmar is the most likely poisoner lynch. | ||
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One kill from mafia, one kill from you. Where did the third come from? | ||
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Medic/Vig/RB This is the most likely setup if there isn't a cop. The issue is that would this be the setup we would be dealing with while dealing with 4 scum. Would we be given the weakest roles possible, with the exception of Vigilante? | ||
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I can get behind a KSC lynch regardless of the poisoner. | ||
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Or because mafia shot BH which is still a good shot. You can't really tell the difference. | ||
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Nobody thinks that you're mafia but people think you could be the poisoner. | ||
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I never called you mafia. BH was universally townread. I don't know what you're trying to say here. | ||
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No sense of self awareness whatsoever. | ||
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Grack and Palmar have both accused you of being the poisoner today. | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:20 Holyflare wrote: but i also think he could be mafia too which is a paradoxical dilemma After yesterday, he's probably another high percentage scum flip. I'm totally willing to lynch him. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:05 KelsierSC wrote: like i said you just pretend you didn't call me.mafia or write an accusation. if obi plays scummy and doesn't defend himself i cant be blamed for reading him as scum. i have given all my reads throughout the game so saying i don't have proper reads is just not true. Continuously lying to make a case on me is really dumb. I imagine it is just your wounded pride rather than scum though. You blatantly ignored every single defense I made. Don't you dare say that I didn't defend myself and then say you're not responsible for voting me. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:19 KelsierSC wrote: @obi you dodged my questions repeatedly and when you did answer you said you town read hf because his n1 play totally trirned him fr.your top scum to town but didn't give any evidence to support this. the rest of my points you didn't answer I'm perfectly willing to lynch you just so you shut up. I answered all of your points and you flat out didn't fucking listen. All you said about my HF read was that it was generic and that it couldn't be supported and then you said my case on Hopeless was bad for bad/nonexistent reasons. | ||
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I didn't borrow any of anybody's points on Hopeless when I made my case. Most of the cases against him started well after I made my own case at day start, which for some reason you still don't seem to understand. I fail to see how asking for opinions on my potential lynch target can be construed as scummy. I can't lynch someone without multiple votes on them, so what's wrong with getting more people to vote with me? | ||
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I don't get why you feel the need to take potshots at me as soon as I don't play the way you want me to. | ||
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The game hasn't ended yet so you futzes still need to do things. | ||
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I still don't see a world where HF flips poisoner. | ||
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Nevermind. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:52 Palmar wrote: Because Hopeless got mad that HF lynched him and said HF was the poisoner, which fits perfectly with there being a missing hit from night 1. HF is hardly even arguing it, I think. Because this point is actually incredibly asinine. Mafia's success likely falls upon coordinating with the poisoner at this point since town is shitting on scum left and right. | ||
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The fact that you're agreeing with something so tenuous is really scummy. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote: What's the point in him lying though. It's a free "mislynch" for mafia. Because if Holyflare is town then he's fulfilling his wincon. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:35 KelsierSC wrote: Looking at the votes slam and store would be good lynches because they didn't vote on obi. waht | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:42 Alakaslam wrote: Storr is basically untouchable town. He got mad at me dude As for me I can manipulate you all like Svengali. People were calling me confirmed at the start of this game, then I TOLD you all to scumread me so now you are. Time for that has long gone, y'all missed the point. It was so I could defend and be even more townie. I am a bit of a perfectionist, which is why in the absence of skill I feel a tendency to troll around and be nuts. But I am beginning to suspect that I am not entirely devoid of skill. I can see things, so there is no reason to act nuts anymore. Not at the moment anyway. HolyFlare is doing a good job of having reasons for things, but not quite good enough. Too much has happened. Holyflare is scum because he had a bunch of good reasons for doing town things. Storr is town because he was mad. Uhm. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:47 Alakaslam wrote: Scum and third party are actually not the same. Not even if the third party is anti-town. That's nice. We're still not lynching HF though. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:51 Alakaslam wrote: In fact because in all likelihood he is. Only one thing that can convince me otherwise; a medic claim that unfortunately I also believe shouldn't happen. We are not lynching Holyflare. Get this through your fucking head and find a new lynch target. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:53 KelsierSC wrote: Why is hf poisoner, because he didn't die n1? Sorry i cabt really backtrack the thread atn. Palmar and HF are both under suspicion for being alive and being the most likely nightkill targets. People are voting with Palmar even though he hasn't fucking done anything and HF has been pro town all game. It blows my fucking mind. | ||
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Because I think he's town and I've given all of the reasons as to why this is. We are not lynching him because "3p looks town so HF might be scum for looking town." Holyflare is not the poisoner and he most certainly isn't mafia. I am not lynching him and anyone voting him is claiming scum. I am going to work. I will be back a few hours before deadline. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:54 Alakaslam wrote: Ariel facepalm gif is in my filter, feel free to borrow The same argument applies to Palmar. His argument doesn't clarify why HF is scum, just stating the possibility of hitting more scum if we hit scum in HF. It might be an overreaction, or it might just be the way HF plays and you simply have no idea what the difference is. But that doesn't really matter regardless because I think he's town. It is a moot point. Find a new lynch target. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:05 Palmar wrote: Not why I'm lynching him. That simply explains how it adds up that someone can look town and yet not be town. I want to lynch him because there's no evidence we have a medic, because he completely overreacted to me suggesting a medic should claim and save his ass (like even if it's not the smartest move, we're basically going to treat him as town if he was indeed protected), and because mafia basically claimed to have shot him night 1. Anyone voting him is claiming having a brain. Like there's two people voting him right now and we can't both be scum? So your theory is already awful. That's not the point I'm making. I'm saying that him making sense as a shot doesn't = scum. It's something that we have to take at face value. And we have no reason at all to believe what Hopeless says. Hopeless was mafia; his job is to fuck with town and we have no reason to believe him one way or the other. The only thing we can do is analyze what Holyflare has done this game to make him town or scum, and I think he's town. Saying that he's scum because a medic might claim is really bad reasoning because it ignores basically his entire filter and isn't actually a solid reason. Heading off to work for reals now. Don't vote HF because he's town. | ||
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Didn't you learn this from last game? | ||
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What happened? | ||
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I don't see how he's scum though? | ||
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If we even have one. I'm assuming we don't even have one at this point because medic would've claimed and turned this discussion around several pages ago. | ||
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No way in hell I save BH after he tunnels on me all of night 1 anyway, so that theory is completely out. | ||
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It's still either you, Palmar, or Storr if there's no medic. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:16 Holyflare wrote: mafia don't know there's no medic, mafia thinks i get healed, mafia thinks im shooting bh, mafia shoots someone looking towny Grack shot Oats. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:18 Holyflare wrote: you are a fuck wit jesus christ I CALLED HIM POISONER YA KNOW THAT GUY WITH A VEST I addressed this in my giant post. I don't see a scumteam that shoots Kelsier first. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:18 Holyflare wrote: then who looked towny to you day 1 then bro? I don't shoot people who look towny. I shoot threats. Palmar is a threat. BH is a threat. You are a threat. Kelsier didn't/doesn't fall under that category. This is why I think what I think. If we're talking about towny shots, then I really don't know. Normally I don't shoot people who just look towny. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote: you should shoot people that look towny because those are your mislynches that you can't push, pro tip All in context. You were pushable in Werewolf but that wouldn't erase all of the analysis that you did overnight. But that's a conversation for another time. Was Kelsier towny enough to warrant a shot night 1? | ||
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Idrk. Either way he's scum, right? | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:25 Holyflare wrote: urgh i cant be fucked to work things out either lol this is exactly how I feel. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: nah i'm town. Game solved. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:36 KelsierSC wrote: He said he always holds his vote till the end and decides carefully, I don't think that is scummy. I have no idea what Damdred's voting tendencies are, but I remember doing this in Werewolf. It helps keep your options open in terms of lynches and people can't react to votes you haven't put down. It's a neutral and safe way of playing, and it's really helpful if you're scum. | ||
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But I don't think he's mafia. I don't think that's normal. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:49 Holyflare wrote: lets just assume hopeless voted on mafia all day everyday ##unvote ##vote obiwanshinobi Yes this is the most rational thing to assume in this situation. | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:20 Alakaslam wrote: What? I thought that was still going i don't know. I am talking about the most recent "super effective" comic The last comic is called "Epilogue." Why would someone make a comic called Epilogue if it wasn't ending? I AM FUCKING PARANOID. | ||
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Nobody gives me credit for anything I swear. | ||
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I don't really have better ideas atm. | ||
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Many scume. Wowe. | ||
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I don't know who to vote. | ||
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Hopeless and OO were both relatively straightforward lynches. | ||
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On October 14 2014 12:57 Holyflare wrote: you are literally claiming not town then fite me irl | ||
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On October 14 2014 12:57 StorrZerg wrote: should i be on palmar? Do you have any idea WHY you would be switching to Palmar? | ||
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I don't get his scumreads though, blegh. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:05 Holyflare wrote: ok look i'm telling you, i'm going for massive end game credit now and i'm sorry i've been so fucking lazy today but we absolutely 1000% lynch storrzerg because he is the poisoner and we lynch obi because he is the last mafia HF, literally shut up. You just called me not town for not being sure on Palmar who you wanted to lynch, you switch back to damdred for NO REASOn and STILL call me mafia. SO stupid. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote: i was thinking about all the crap he wrote today and it's so clueless I was asking you almost ALL of the time I got back to explain on damdred and you never did. Don't you dare sit here and get pissy at me for calling me all confused and shit when I was asking you to explain shit. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:09 Holyflare wrote: no you're fucking mafia and i'm going to get you lynched whether you like it or not, I know you bussed hopeless ppfffffft. k. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:09 Holyflare wrote: actions around deadline are so so so so telling YOU DIDNT EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ME. I WAS ASKING YOU ALL DAY TO DO THIS AND YOU NEVER DID AND THEN YOU GOT PISSED AT ME FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING. WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. | ||
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He's town but he's losing his mind. It's really annoying and I'm getting pissed off. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:26 Grackaroni wrote: nope. If there's no medic claim tomorrow HF is poisoner. And like Palmar said if theres 2 kills the only way town can win is if mafia is lynched tomorrow followed by poisoner. I still don't understand why people are listening to Palmar when he says this. All of the same arguments apply to him and HF has actually done things and been town. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:31 Grackaroni wrote: Basically theres just a missing shot and I just don't picture mafia shooting Palmar after his day 1 play (or anyone else other than HF besides BH) You are grossly underestimating how frequently Palmar gets shot regardless of his do-nothingness. I could link two games off the top of my head where Palmar does nothing and still gets shot by mafia. Don't take "oh Palmar was shit so he wasn't shot" as a good reason to townread him. It really, really isn't. | ||
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Mafia doesn't want to upset the balance of power between the two of us since he's basically on a collision course with me, so they go for a neutral kill on a possibly dangerous entity in Palmar and discover he's the poisoner. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:37 Alakaslam wrote: Correct Nobody going to read BH filter and learn why he thought OWS was scum Bh called me scum because I supposedly tried to save OO. Then he tried to save Hopeless by lynching me. So he was actually scum and he flipped the wrong alignment. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:38 Holyflare wrote: we've missed about 1000x what are you saying? Well...Grack probably didn't help very much. So that might be part of it. Grack op. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:37 StorrZerg wrote: i dont think hf is trying to kill you right now He was on night 1. | ||
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I'm probably going to scrap all my current reads and start fresh. I won't vote HF and that's it. | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:41 Holyflare wrote: gimme yo reads bro I told you. The only person I won't vote is you. Idk. Maybe I'll be able to elaborate later. I just don't feel particularly strongly about anyone else right now. | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:42 Holyflare wrote: ME MWAHAHAHAHAHA Funny. Ha ha. Ha. | ||
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Claim an rb for reals in case you get shot though. | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:49 Alakaslam wrote: I return what have I missed Lylo reads. Who's mafia? | ||
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I guess. Eh. | ||
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On October 15 2014 13:00 Holyflare wrote: HE WAS A FUCKING COP ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW WTF LOL GL BOYZ | ||
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I figured KSC was really obvious at endgame because of Grack's case, and idk where the liancourt shot came from especially when he had such a strong case to begin with. Yuck. Oh well, ggwp town. We derd it. | ||
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On October 17 2014 13:45 Holyflare wrote: i cannot honestly believe you did not check kelsier when i asked you to -.- Why would I check someone that had such a supersolid case on him? Do I confirm him as more mafia? I was more interested in finding 3p at that point. | ||
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On October 17 2014 13:46 Grackaroni wrote: I shot Liancourt because HF was RBing KSC and I didn't want to interfere with a cop check. Eh, I thought you would just shoot him if you had a strong case on him because I was sure he was going to get lynched/shot anyway. Wharvez it worked out. | ||
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On October 17 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote: i made the cop case on hopeless before the cop even did  #copnotreallycop #notreallyredcheck #proplays | ||
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