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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:37 GMT
#1994
On October 11 2014 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:21 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.



Unimportant.


fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday.

If you want to change the subject thats fine

[] talk about liancourt
[] talk about hopeless
[] other [insert topic]


I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch.

And I don't think I'm going to change my mind.


then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation.

liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1.
hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire"

yet dives on

On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne


at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk.

i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this.


On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.

because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.

In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?


Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"



Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia.

As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes.

I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze.


On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?

right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.

My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now.


Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.


Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either.

You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining

I don't think these are very good reasons for scum reading Hopeless. These posts are a much more apt description of Palmar's play really.


This isn't the reasons I'm giving for hopeless this is that obi did give reasons but kelsier is saying he isn't.

Yeah I know. You said Obi gave good reasons. KSC said Obi didn't give good reasons. I'll have to side with KSC on this one.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:40 GMT
#1998
On October 11 2014 06:38 StorrZerg wrote:
damd could be a better lynch.
both my scum targets want him dead, if he flips town they both look worse. if he flips scum, then that means i probably am reading 2 townies wrong.


regarding hopeless, case woot nice job. this makes me consider damd as a possibility.
liam makes me not want to consider damd because his inability to make a case on damd. (his original insight struck a cord, and i wanted to know more, as well as see what he would do if he pressured damd more, instead i was meet with "why don't you make more reads storr" / "i can't read someone who is just scum reading me with no other reads" )

which also brings me to HF, and his badgering.
i don't like the phrasing "perfect defense". / yet i can agree that damd did well on his defense.

I still think the major point on obi back peddling and trying to force it off "oo" near the end isn't valid at all. That is surely at the point where "oo" is saying to his scum buddies sack me good long and hard. So i don't see it as a possibility for scum obi to make those remarks.

So this still brings me back to liam who i have been "tunneling" for a while now, and pushing him. With plenty of people saying "yes he scummy" yet unwilling to push him more. and hopeless, who i think is scum regarding his interactions with the "oo" lynch. I find his timing, far more indicative of scum behavior before "oo" has told his team he doesn't care and is giving up.

It's mostly just BH saying this and we're never going to convince him that backtrack wasn't scummy and he's town so there's not much that can be done about that.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:41 GMT
#2001
I'm going to read through Lian I could see myself potentially switching on to him over Hopeless.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:47 GMT
#2010
BH please read Hopeless' filter and comment on the Hopeless lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:52 GMT
#2014
On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that

I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS!

You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 21:54 GMT
#2018
On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that

I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS!

You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping.

He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly.

lol i saw. From now on I am checking BH's post history before his RNGs...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 10 2014 22:07 GMT
#2028
On October 11 2014 06:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Yes!! Grack does it again

My motivations are my own; why would I go, as mafia, and basically take a dung on my own perfect SVENGALI if you all feel I am town?

Nay far more likely that though I was pleased with being essentially "confirmed", I grew bored; since I know I am horrible at scum hunting, I tried to get in on some actuon regarding me.

Then stuff went down and though I was ignored, I was content to toss out my 2¢ on all te shut storms

Well I have attaxxed you slam for skummi. Your reasons may be chupazi hijole! nah I bet they be bamcis
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 02:37 GMT
#2335
Are we doing shennannies?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 02:42 GMT
#2346
BH LOOK! WAIT FOR ANOTHER BACKTRACK
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 03:30 GMT
#2407
HF why are you town reading Damdred so strongly?

I think I want to kill him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 03:32 GMT
#2411
I've read through the last 20 pages and I don't think obi or hopeless will flip scum
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 03:34 GMT
#2415
ha what happened to being so convinced you were shot
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 03:40 GMT
#2430
What for mafia for town thing?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 03:43 GMT
#2440
I just have a lot of troubling imagining Hopeless with a 9 page filter as scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:00 GMT
#2478
then he's going to lose. HF can't live until endgame
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:06 GMT
#2495
Now I can't shoot Palmar
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:08 GMT
#2502
On October 11 2014 13:06 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 13:06 Grackaroni wrote:
Now I can't shoot Palmar


You could have lynched him I was very serious about it.

Yeah but then HF said I would have to shoot into Hopeless or Obi if we lynched someone else so I figured it'd be much easier to give HF his lynch and then shoot whoever I felt like shooting
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:20 GMT
#2520
Why would anyone believe your red check after you spent the whole night pretending to be a vig?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:23 GMT
#2525
Last mafia could be the godfather
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 11 2014 04:25 GMT
#2528
If there is a cop I recommend checking Palmar. He could be 3rd party but he's extremely unlikely to be mafia
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