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On September 21 2014 19:42 Blazinghand wrote: inb4 geript and DP get paired and masons. then they are both town and solve the game together with great courage. Then geript and DP become best friends and start playing in many games together, as rivals and competitors, driving TL to new levels of competition, friendliness and excellence inb4 geript and DP save TL Mafia At least you acknowledge it's dying. | ||
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On September 21 2014 22:46 geript wrote: Fwiw, I miss the TL lol games. SAME! | ||
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On September 22 2014 15:43 kushm4sta wrote: Why do anime's always have to be about school kids? maybe because only kids are dumb enough to like anime? They are not always about school kids. And I like anime and I am not dumb nor am I a kid. | ||
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That being said there are some pretty good anime about high school kids. Like the Melancholy of haruhi suzumiya, Toradora!, Angel Beats! etc. | ||
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On September 22 2014 16:45 geript wrote: That is a total lie. + Show Spoiler [You Know What I'm Going To Say] + We all know you're secretly a 14 year old girl with a crush on Justin Bieber. Having heard my voice, I'm not sure how you could even pretend to believe that. | ||
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On September 22 2014 17:00 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah, I'm not saying you don't have good anime or anime aimed at adults out there. I consider myself a connoisseur of anime and I think there's really good stuff out there, even in the mecha genre. If the question is what's the deal with all this kid MCs, the answer is that a good proportion of anime, most of anime, is aimed at kids. It's a diverse genre with all kinds of stuff though. I have only watched two mecha anime, Accel World and Eureka Seven. Both were pretty good. I only started watching anime in May though so i'm a noobie. Not a huge fan of the mecha concept overall either. | ||
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On September 22 2014 17:08 HaruRH wrote: I would beg to differ. I think we need to differenciate anime types properly first. There are those anime like vanguard, beyblade etc. That arr oobviouly meant to sell toys to children. However, there are also anime like gundam 00, madoka or clannad, which may seem like something kids watch, but you don't really want kids near those shows. What i feel is that these themes appeal to most of their viewerbase (read: otakus and weeabos), which are their main consumers who buy their merchandise. If they started making adult animes (welcome to the NHS, etc), they will never gather as large as a following as more appealing animes like steinsgate. Only watched Steins Gate and Clannad out of all those you mentioned so I have trouble forming a point of reference for your argument. Anyone Watched Mirai Nikki? That is about High Schoolers but is CERTAINLY not for kids. | ||
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On September 22 2014 17:13 HaruRH wrote: Would you let your child watch clannad or beyblade? I think Clannad would be fine because you could only understand why it is super depressing if you are reasonably aware enough to emotionally deal with it. That's just my point of view though. | ||
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Hahahaha and I thought I had watched a lot at 15 days worth. | ||
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On September 23 2014 11:09 Amiko wrote: It's haru's first game, it's anime themed, but it's not haruhi themed? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L7hxt5P.gif) I had issues with that also. | ||
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On September 23 2014 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG SHUT UP ABOUT ANIME! Take cover boys. We got a bad ass over here. + Show Spoiler + I agree this discussion whilst awesome needs a thread of it's own or the community thread or something | ||
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He probs third party. My partner is vayne. Im off to school, catch ya. | ||
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On September 24 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: Yes, he probably is. Why are we lynching him? He is not town. Anyway talk it over chaps. I hope to have a lot to read when I get back. | ||
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On September 24 2014 08:08 Hapahauli wrote: Yes, but he's the defender - the only 3rd party that can't dick over the town. Oh is he? Like he claimed? My bad. I just skimmed and saw he was asking about third party. ##Unvote | ||
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I don't think Geript looks scummy at all. From skimming the thread it seems like hapa could very well be mafia, I have a few reasons for this, some of it is dated meta but he is just not behaving in the same way that I would expect him too as town. I also think that this post is pretty off. Like I would expect hapa to question yamato about this read. try and figure out why the fuck Yamato 'incorrectly' thinks he is mafia. But he says nothing and then starts making big posts about geript being scum. He ignores the pressure and switches the thread onto another lynch target. Despite some token questioning hapa doesn't seem as invested in figuring shit out as I would expect. Not questioning yamato on his scum read of hapa is really fucking weird and his meta doesn't match what I expect from him as town. Further, Hapa in the past has almost ALWAYS pressured me hard at the start of games in order to determine my alignment. This game, I posted some stuff that should have looked pretty bad. But Hapa just ignored it after I provided some token excuses and does not move to question or pressure me to the extent I would expect or have experienced in the past. Which further reinforced my doubts on hapa's investment in figuring shit out. As for the geript read: I don't think being "disjointed with the thread flow" and talking about other shit is scummy. In fact I think it is townie to ignore stuff and talk about what you want. I think that is a really weird reason to be super confident in a scum!geript read. I agree that geripts posturing was kinda weird but once again not even close to enough to express the kind of confidence that hapa expressed about geript being scum. @ yamato Why did you think hapa was scum originally? | ||
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On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote: I didn't think Hapa was mafia I just said something to get a reaction from people It was a boring moment in the thread. And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read? Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did. What do you think of my hapa post? | ||
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On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote: I can get behind a Geript lynch ##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? | ||
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On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote: Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world? How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? | ||
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On September 24 2014 10:40 Grackaroni wrote: I was actually leaning more townie on Hapa. I liked his explanation for voting me. What did hapa say that makes you think voting for you was townie? What specifically did you like about it? | ||
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Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy. Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game. I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:01 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't see any reason for me being scummy so I thought Hapa's vote was strange but I vote people like that sometimes too as town just to get the game started faster and start getting info. I think scum would feel more pressured to justify their vote rather than backtrack. Disagree with the bolded. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote: Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:06 VayneAuthority wrote: its the best play at the moment, if some one can make a compelling case ill consider it but when day 1 is usually hit or miss ill take a 3rd party kill that is CLAIMING IN THREAD that he is going to play anti-town death any day. Why don't YOU try and make a case on someone? Or at least put some pressure on so you can find scum. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote: For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D | ||
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I think you are scum. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote: This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote: Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town. I don't think you are scummy every time you are town at all. So that is bullshit. Not engaging in a discourse is anti-town and if people read you as town from what you have contributed thus far well I would be appalled honestly. What makes Geript more likely to be scum over a townie who didn't read his pm properly and was just talking shit at the start of the game? | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:35 Hapahauli wrote: Again, not worth my time. Because this is more than just him not reading his PM properly. This is him entering the thread and posting for the sake of posting as opposed to reading the thread. Odds are that a player who does something like this is mafia. Not a "townie who is talking shit." I think mafia are more likely to read the thread properly and less likely to shitpost like that. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:36 Hapahauli wrote: I think you don't know how to scumhunt. Well that is clearly untrue. As I catch mafia every game I play and usually more than one. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:40 yamato77 wrote: DP tryharding is adorable. What you think of hapa yamato? Give reasons. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:41 Hapahauli wrote: See the thing is that this is explanation is not likely. For example, take a look at this in geript's filter: Here's something that shows that he did sort of read the thread and is trying to contribute. The key word here is "sort-of". Mafia is about finding out who is deceiving you. If geript truly didn't read a damn thing and shitposted the whole filter, you might have an argument. That is a plausible town behavior. However this is not the behavior that geript is exhibiting. He enters the thread, shitposts, then attemps to contribute with a post that clearly read every single partner claim, then "come-at-me-bro's", which is very inconsistent. Hmmmm. I guess that is a good point actually. It shows that Geript is not invested in being actually productive. I'm still not sure that makes him mafia though. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:44 yamato77 wrote: Hapa likes his early game tunnels. Yes he does. Sorry but this is garbage Yamato. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:45 Hapahauli wrote: Ok cool atleast we're somewhat on the same page then. We're less than 24 hours into day one, and I think that's as good a reason of any to vote someone. Hell if I had evidence that someone wasn't being invested in being productive, I'd probably vote them 48 hours in as well. Not really. I still think you are scummy. I don't want to lynch you today cause I could be wrong. But if you don't start shitting town rainbows on day 2 I will try and lynch you. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:46 yamato77 wrote: It's good to know that you still don't know the patterns to Hapa's play. I'm not saying the statement is untrue. I know first hand it is. I'm saying your input is garbage as in worthless. You didn't answer the question. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:49 yamato77 wrote: that's a rather boring way to go about reading someone Nah, I Never really try and lynch potentially valuable townies day one. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:51 Hapahauli wrote: I'm confused. So you conceded I made a good point in my case against geript, and one of the main reasons you think I'm mafia is because my case was fabricated. This doesn't really hold. Do mafia never make good points in their cases on townies? If that was the case this game would be really really easy. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:53 Hapahauli wrote: Of course mafia and town can. The key here is mafia and town. You're using a null tell to call me mafia. No. I think the way you are behaving in totality is scummy also, I just used that case as a focal point of some pressure because it felt so contrived, but conceded that the case made at least one reasonable point. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:54 yamato77 wrote: Why would I suspect Hapa for doing something I downright know he's going to do? ... Why would YOU suspect him on this basis if you supposedly know it's true? Your scumread of him is garbage. Laughable, really. And then you don't even have the balls to back it up, you just limp away saying "I'll lynch you TOMORROW if I still think you're scum!" "Don't kill valuable townies D1" LOLOL then why did you even make the case. Because I want to figure out if I am correct in my suspicions. I do that by pressuring him. Then, when I create something to talk about with that pressure I ask people what they think of it to figure out THEIR alignments. So that is why when I ask you a QUESTION RELATED TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD could you please answer it? Further Hapa tunnels in the early game but usually they are more inquisitive and less, well, bad. But hey, I haven't played with him for like a year so I could be wrong. Which is why I, and this is hilarious, Pressure him and ask others questions. Shocking I know. | ||
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Or I will just keep it to myself until I have enough to lynch you with or change my mind. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:57 yamato77 wrote: I don't like being a dick but you asked for it. There's literally no reason I should have a definitive answer on Hapa's alignment this early. I also didn't require a definitive answer. I just wanted SOME input on what was happening in the thread. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:05 Hapahauli wrote: So you're bullshitting to "pressure" me? No I think you are scummy so I am pressuring you. Either I will be confirmed in my suspicions or you will change my mind. Pretty basic actually. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:07 yamato77 wrote: What do you think I think about Hapa, DP? I think he is scummy. I didn't like his case on geript. I think he was not as inquisitive as I would expect town hapa to be. I didn't like that he tried to ignore my pressure initially, and I think that his one liner insults after I continued to pressure him were an attempt to handle things without engaging in the town discourse which is scummy. Every game I have played in with hapa he has been obviously pro town throughout the game as town and his scum games have been lackluster imitations of his town play. I feel that this game is more likely the latter but would like to give him an opportunity to do stuff until day 2. Partly because it is my policy when dealing with 'strong' townies, and partially because a lot of my read on him is feel / old meta, which is not enough to lynch someone. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:17 yamato77 wrote: I asked you what you thought MY read of Hapa was I know what you think show some insight Oh I think you love him and are annoyed that someone dares to call him scum or something. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:25 Hapahauli wrote: He is much more apathetic and willing to conform to what people want to hear as mafia. Also, reading Kush as town for being himself is nonsense. I'm pretty sure he is butthurt about stuff I do regardless of his alignment. I'm pretty sure he town slipped when he asked why vt's were masons. I don't think he would be cognizant enough to do that as "not vt" | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:29 Hapahauli wrote: I would read literally any other player as town for what kush did. But it's kush. Meh I think it's a solid town slip regardless. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:32 Grackaroni wrote: Kush was legit confused. He asked me if we were mafia in qt. HAHA | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:33 yamato77 wrote: DP smells. Nice to see your pm calling me a Mafia/ League god and wanting to bury the hatchet meant something to you. | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:38 yamato77 wrote: Are you honestly angry? I'm just saying, I don't like your reads. It's not a personal attack. Nah it was tongue in cheek. You calling me mafia btw? | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:42 yamato77 wrote: Not liking your reads doesn't necessarily mean you are mafia. But I am getting faint impressions of that game where I was assassin and you got D1 lynched as mafia. Well, good to know your mafia skills haven't improved yamato  | ||
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On September 24 2014 14:51 geript wrote: I don't hate lynching 3p claims. It's a decent fall back if there's not a clear better lynch. Yeha this is basically the correct way to deal with the CR claim imo | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:16 geript wrote: I kinda wish that DP and Hapa had gone at it thinking each other were scum. I'd be able to read them both better off for it. What I do think hapa is scum. And his town read of me was only implied. | ||
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His posting since coming back has been solid. | ||
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"Look at what geript did and how awkward it sounds. That makes him scum, I am so certain of this that I think it is a lock solid day one scum lynch. BUT I can't really make a good case on him beyond showing you what he has posted and calling it awkward." Am I getting this right? | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:34 Hapahauli wrote: Oh come on this is so disingenuous. You even said I had a good point about him. Your point was in the context of my Assertions that he wasn't reading the thread. Seems like he is reading the thread/ read the thread from his explanations. | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:37 Hapahauli wrote: His recent posts don't sound awful. They give me some pause for sure. I'm not sure if he's town, but I can't say I'm convinced he's mafia. ![[image loading]](http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002658317/242973045_Wishy_washy1_answer_2_xlarge.png) | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:39 Hapahauli wrote: If you chose to believe his explanations over mine because of gut feels, then there's not much I can say. Regardless, I'd appreciate if I could talk to geript without dealing with your dickery Don't see how I am being a dick to be honest. | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:40 geript wrote: It's kinda funny though, I think DP is town for all that bullshit. Like, I feel like when I've seen DP be mafia, his bullshit seems to have more of a purpose behind it. You flatter me geript. I think I may blush. | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:39 geript wrote: ??? This makes no sense to me. I think if you read the exchange carefully I think you can get some stuff to look at, but this post just feels like utter and complete bullshit. Why exactly is that post bullshit by the way? What exactly is bullshit about it? | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:42 Hapahauli wrote: I would just like to be able to talk to someone in this thread without the thread's crazy old man yelling over my shoulder every 10 seconds. And you say I am being a dick. | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:46 geript wrote: This is coming from me. My general D1 plan is to flounder until I feel like I've hit something of note. Like when I've seen you be mafia you tend to actually try and push something hard is some completely bullshitty type of way. It's why I was swinging towards mafia in the VS game towards the end of the day and after I died. I'm not sure describing everything I do as both alignments as bullshit is working for me. Like I have no idea what you are actually saying aside from I sound town this game because I have less direction compared to my scum games. If that is actually all you are saying and just feel the need to call me bullshit a ton then that makes sense. If you actually mean something further however could you like, extrapolate? Thanks | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:50 geript wrote: It just feels like you're trying to over explain something that doesn't ever need to be explained. Either way, for right now I'm not terribly interested in lynching you. Oh yeah. You need to make sure the Plebeians understand after all. Because most of the time they do not. | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:28 geript wrote: This post makes me really want to lynch the fuck out of Hapa. In my experience as mafia, it's far easier to create a believable narrative than it is to create a believable case. The fact that Hapa is pushing a narrative and using that specific quote as evidence feels exceptionally off. It's very weird of Hapa to let his "stonecold lock mafia read" be described as something as low as a "narrative." Maybe that's just semantics, but that's really odd. On September 24 2014 15:48 geript wrote: Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though. To this post. What are the reasoning/ thoughts that changed your mind? | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:55 geript wrote: I don't think everything you do as either alignment is bullshit. My experience though is that you often create an opening as either alignment. Often you make a mountain out of a mole hill. Or get in a shitfight. Or anything else. Some way to create motion in the thread and you don't care quite who it's about. What follows is more important to me but I think to some extent you can be read by how you "create motion in the thread" so to speak. I never knew "bullshit" could hold quite so much meaning. | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't worry bb, I'll be here when you wake up. I'll probably be watching you while you sleep. Creepy | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote: What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:02 VisceraEyes wrote: His whole "10 townie points for who can tell me why" was just nonsense to appear contributory because there wasn't one specific thing he was looking for as made evident by his "case" against geript a little later on. It's a clever little trick I sometimes use when I'm mafia - it makes the thread think you're reading closely and that you've noticed something and gosh, wouldn't it be cool if I noticed the same thing too? Not feelin it. On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote: What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:34 Hapahauli wrote: Do you see VE's response as serious? Because I don't. It makes sense to me. | ||
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Therefore VE finds that suspicious and something that mafia would do. You ask for clarification, he clarifies by saying there was no townie points to be had because the game you started was unsolvable due to it being, in VE's opinion, disingenuous or fraudulent. Which is a position I can empathize with. | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:51 Hapahauli wrote: Why are you answering for VE? He is perfectly capable of answering for himself. There are many things he needs to answer for me. I'm not answering for him. he literally posted that if you read what he posted. | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:53 Hapahauli wrote: And DP, I'm actually far more interested in the tone of his post. It toes a very awkward line between serious and trolly. And that does not feel natural to me at all. The tone is not alignment indicativeand it is consistent with other posts he made during the day. | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:59 Hapahauli wrote: Also if you're going to give me opinions on anything, give me opinions on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=28#547 I want VE to respond first. I am deliberately not addressing that case. | ||
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On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote: I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. I really don;t get what you are saying here. | ||
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On September 24 2014 17:05 geript wrote: I can't really remember you doing them in any of the games I've played or read. I've always remembered you as logical and methodical. I actually am pretty sure on my read on VE. I want to sleep on it though. What is your VE read? I read your filter and it wasn't all that clear. | ||
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Why do you think Geript is scum? | ||
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On September 24 2014 17:50 Hapahauli wrote: Now you know how I feel. Since when do you care that I call you scum as town? When I called you scum in the past you just kept making cases and doing townie things. | ||
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On September 24 2014 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Possibly. Doesnt mean its wrong. I noticed that you totally tiptoed around your hapa read, why? Also, why is hapa's case bad but then you agree with one of his points? I didn't tip toe around the hapa read I was very clear about it. I thought he was scum. I don't want to lynch him day one. Easy. As for hapa's case being bad... well It was. He had one good point about geript's list showing he read the thread. Which was a response to me saying that he didn't seem to be reading the thread or something, That is about it. | ||
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On September 24 2014 18:54 VisceraEyes wrote: This is what I'm referring to. I'm not talking about his reads, I mean he's approaching the game with the same mindset as me so I trust him. Unlike you. Yeah VE is town. | ||
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On September 24 2014 18:59 Hapahauli wrote: No way. He's so much more paranoid than this as town. The very fact that he can give town passes like that is incomprehensible for his town play. Town VE and "multiple confident town-reads" are oil and water. I'll post something more detailed tomorrow. ##Vote VE I also don't agree that VE doesn't give confident town reads. He usually reads me as town pretty confidently. | ||
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On September 24 2014 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote: his case had like 2 points. you agree with 50% of it. That hardly gives you grounds to call it bad. Why dont you want to lynch scum hapa day 1? Have you ever played with scum hapa? It doesnt look like it. Yes I have and he was lynched day one. Also his case had two points, both of which were bad. that makes his case... bad. | ||
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On September 24 2014 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: What? what? Which game did he get lynched day 1 as scum and why dont you want to repeat that performance? The good point was contextual with my assumptions that were being made in the midst of a conversation. GO read the thread again if you don't understand. The game was Mario mini mafia I believe. And I don't want to repeat the performance because it was a last minute switch at the end of day one. Hapa is also posting and driving discussion, so in the unlikely case I am wrong it would suck for him to be killed if he is town. So yeah I don't want to lynch hapa until day 2 which i feel is entirely reasonable. Now oats, why is it you are posting shit cases, the likes of which I have not seen since I lynched you twice in a row as scum? | ||
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On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: @DP I kinda do not like you right now. Kinda, Huh? On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: You begin by voting CR,e ven though you admit that you only skimmed the game at that point, which why would you vote on someone by just skimming? Obvious discussion bait which I have inferred in some posts I have since made. On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: You scum read hapa based on what you describe as outdated meta read (paraphrase on my part), do you think at that point in the thread its really justifiable? yes you did paraphrase, meta was a part of it sure. But not all of it. It was certainly justifiable, pushing people is how I figure shit out. Regardless I don;t need to justify my actions to anyone in this game whatsoever so I don;t care if it was justifiable or not. On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: Why is it better to go along with geript in that CR should be the fallback lynch if we do not have a clear better lynch? I think thats a bit weak of a reason to lynch someone. You can think that, but that just makes you bad. In my not inconsiderable experience playing this game this play is the best way to handle his claim. Many other good players would probably agree. On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: Could you talk mroe about why you think we should immediatly lynch the person who was partnered with mafia? Even though its a coin flip at this point that they are mafia why is that the best plan? Wouldn't it be better to vig them at night to focus the lynch the next cycle on someone else rather than just have a lynch that could very easily be a mislynch? If we lynch mafia we should lynch his partner because then we only need to lynch one more mafia to win the game. We either lynch another mafia, or the next time we lynch mafia we immediately know his partner. As for vig I do not make plans around vigilante's because: a.) We don't know if we even HAVE a vigilante and ; b.) Vigilantes rarely listen to the thread and almost always shoot whoever the fuck they desire. Calling this play an easy mislynch is bullshit fear mongoring and anti-town. It also shows you put zero thought into the scenario before calling me out on it which looks scummy as shit. On September 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: Also, if you think hapa is so scummy why wouldn't you lynch him day one? It basically just gives you permission if you keep him around to do nothing day 2 and just stay tunneled on him, so why not just kill him today if your so sure? Already explained this a thousand times which you would know if you read the thread. It goes against my policy when dealing with 'strong' townies and he is pushing thread discussion even if he is scum, which is more than can be said for most of the people in this game. @ thread catching up now by the way. | ||
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On September 24 2014 23:50 yamato77 wrote: Only bads are giving kush a free pass No. You are bad for thinking he didn't town slip. and for posting that. | ||
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On September 25 2014 01:02 Promethelax wrote: I think he looks townie from his first posts. I think DP looks townie for having the same reaction I had. I think anyone not reading kush as town is missing the obvious. Spot on. Prome you look town as shit after three posts. Good job. If you are town this is the first game we would be the same alignment ever. Which would be rad, since we can catch all the scummers EZ. | ||
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On September 25 2014 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I think geript is town. His intro in this game looks identical to his entrance to the last game where he replaced townRayn. Further both DP and Hapa were trying to buddy him during their argument, and I believe that there is exactly 1 mafia between them, which makes geript confirmed town to me. Where was I trying to buddy him? Where was hapa? I know I sure as fuck wasn't buddying geript. | ||
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On September 25 2014 02:10 yamato77 wrote: I tore DP a new one and you retread his argument against Hapa. Lol. Usually my defenses like this are of lynchbait. Oh, how the Hapa has fallen. Sure you did yamato. Have some candy. | ||
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On September 25 2014 06:18 Hapahauli wrote: Got home today wondering if my stuff on VE last night was my own confirmation bias or something legitimate. And I think it's legitimate. Everything about VE's play screams "false confidence". This is a quote from VE in Storm 2 mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out. ##Vote: mderg If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. It's very descriptive of his early town Day 1 play. Town VE likes going for people who aren't active and are not contributing. To go after me this confidently early on is really really unlike his town-play. And this is very consistent through his recent town-games. In LXVIII, he is on a lot of wagons, focusing mostly on Lurkers and newer players. First Fecalcast, then an inactive holyflare, then a brief OMGUS on Rayn before wanting to lynch an afk Palmar at the end of the day due to town consensus. In Storm 2, he tunnles mderg, a classic Day 1 lurker. In Neat and Tidy Mafia, he goes after MysteryMeat for early Day 1, who was inactive/lurkish/etc. In Normal Mini LVI, he reads SloOsh and BH as possibly mafia, but turns down voting them in favor of a lurkish player, mderg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=14#262 The basic summary is that VE as town is not a player who confidently locks onto one player. He's a guy that's always mindful of inactives, has a self-awareness of his play and the rest of the game, to the point where he will drop his own reads to consolidate with the opinion of the town. To go after me (a vet, and the most active player in the game so far) so early and so confidently is so unlike his town-play. To instantly read two less-active players as town (MM and Damdred) so early into the game is borderline insanity for his town play. Take a look at this quote from VE's most recent town game (LXVIII): On September 15 2014 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want to lynch rayn but I will if all my townies agree he's mafia. But frankly I don't want to lynch one of the Rock Stars either, so I don't like disagree with rayn. Palmar gave a TONE read. Does he do that? When did he die and become Robik? What's going on here? He reads rayn as town, but is self-aware enough of his own read-accuracy that he's willing to be bullied off of reads. YOSO Mafia contains my favorite example of this: On April 27 2014 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros. ##Unvote ##Vote: Caller Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding. ...where VE literally gets bullied off of his town-read of Caller pages after he makes it. Self-awareness of his own accuracy, etc. So VE is so mindful of thread sentiment and the opinions of other townies that he can be bullied off of his own reads. Consistently. He'll even swap votes just because other people aren't agreeing with him without even changing his mind about his reads. VE is defined by confidence. And this confidence usually manifests itself through his reads. His early Day 1 play in Catastrophe Mafia: On April 03 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: iamperfection is saying all the right things to all the right people. #toptownmvpyoloswag420blazeit I'm town too, and we're going to wreck face. Get dominated scum. On April 03 2014 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: It's suspicious because you could maybe be on a team with the person you're ignoring - or maybe trying to buddy them in some way. It's suspicious because it seems like you have information that the rest of us don't have, or at least I THINK that's what Killing is saying. I think you're town as fuck. On April 03 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: iamp, JAT and VE. Killing town too, maybe Wave, maybe sandroba. Maybe not sandroba. I'll lynch any lurker, including myself. Any questions? No? Good, everyone GO. Town reads everywhere. Really confident about them, but also very questionable logic. Tone is half-trollish, half-serious, and VE is appearing to play along with the thread. Sound familiar? This is exactly what he did in this game. Play along wiht the townie points thing, take a very half-serious/trollish tone, and dole out some incomprensibly confident town-reads on MM/Damdred for incomprehensible reasons. His confidence manifests itself in Carnival Cruise through his scum-reads. An initial super-confident push on WaveOfShadow: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=22#435 Doesn't really drop his case on Wave, then pushes Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=23#443 Then, all aboard the VAYNE TRAIN! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=44#876 He's super-confident about all of his early pushes, and by the end of Day 1, thinks all of these players are mafia. Isn't necessarily going after lurkers, and is just indiscriminately going on people he can push cases on. VE can be confident as town. He pushed me hard as fuck as town on day one in The Game On March 18 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk. ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory. On March 18 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum. On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: It's the way he's approaching this game. He doesn't seem to care at all about finding scum. This is his first vote. To this point, he has done nothing but soft defend people, and lightly agree with BH on a point he made about geript. Which is even worse because in this post he openly acknowledges that he doesn't even really think geript is scum...that his vote was exclusively to "pressure" him to "stop what he's doing". Except...that's not what townies do with their vote. Townies try and kill scum with their vote. But apparently Cosmic is now scum because he didn't like Darth's vote. Whatever maybe I can roll with this.... ...except by the time Darth makes this post Cosmic is a lurker. And read his last statement! :OOOOOOOO Like, his reasoning isn't that he's a lurker, that much I'll admit. But the fact remains that Darth "doesn't think lurkers are the place to look" while his vote is ON a lurker. In this post he also SIMULTANEOUSLY defends and attacks GoodKarma. I guess because it's not clear what thread sentiment is going to end up favoring or something, but ultimately ends up saying he doesn't want to lynch GK. But in the very next post attacks Wade for defending GK on meta? HE JUST DID THIS! VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO On March 18 2013 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote: WEEEEEEEE I'M DP AND I'M GONNA WASTE MY VOTE ON SOMEONE NO OTHER PERSON IN THE GAME HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN LYNCHING MERE HOURS FROM DEADLINE! IN SPITE OF THIS BEING IN RESPONSE TO A DIRECT QUESTION REGARDING MY LYNCH PREFERENCE THOUGH, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT I THINK VE IS SCUM IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM FOR MISINTERPRETING MY POST!!! WHOOPIDEEEDOOOOOOOOO!!! So that basically invalidates that entire meta case. | ||
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On September 25 2014 09:02 geript wrote: Yah, and it's why it's only a soft townread for me. Besides, I want to lynch into the double mafia pair. That combination makes me happy to both 1. not want to lynch MM1 today and 2. be fine looking at him more seriously later on. I highly doubt my read will change, but it's possible. But he brought up some interesting points on VE in QT and I'm fine. I actually want him to post more here because I'm the type of player that doesn't argue well and is rather vulnerable to QT manipulation (see GMarsh's last game where I replaced to be a mason with Vayne/VE/deadguy). No. Like what Abuse said about VE was complete and utter trash and nothing similar to what I actually said about him. I've played with VE enough to be able to read him ok-ishly in the least (except in video where he's always mafia). What Abuse said: What I said: These are not similar. Abuse's comment is exceptionally generic. He doesn't even take any stance on VE. It's "VE is trolling a bunch. I've seen it in a game previous when VE was town aligned. He's null because trolling all the time makes you hard to read." Second, you giving out tone reads is a huge warning sign for me. Even if you are trying to work on it, at least three times (abuse, VE and Me) you've created reads at least partially based on tone and in no way based on fact, logic or reason. If this is your town play it's ridiculous. You're better than this if you're town. Quite frankly, right now I'm pretty sure that I ended up on the wrong side of VE/Hapa/DP. ##unvote ##vote Hapahauli What the fuck is this shit. You literally wouldn't vote him for no reason after saying you wanted to lynch the fuck out of him. Now hapa looks MUCH better and you want to lynch him again. Your timing is literally the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of what I would expect. | ||
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On September 25 2014 15:36 geript wrote: Say what you want DP, I still don't trust Hapa. Maybe but he looks much more like I would expect and therefore better to me right now. I don't particularly want to lynch Hapa OR VE today. Talk to me about Damdred Geript. I felt like he asked some pretty crappy questions of me, and then rode that initial questioning to the bank. He rehashed the same questions a bunch, asked people about what they thought of me a bunch, and said he was waiting for me to respond a bunch. Doesn't really come across as genuine or effective scum-hunting. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 25 2014 16:08 geript wrote: I think the likeliest mafia/mafia pair is damdred/oats. I even just pointed out some shit about him at the top of the page. Right now with as ridiculously as CR is acting though, he might just actually be mafia and VE also be mafia. Part of the problem is I have no clue how to read Damdred as each and every time I've tried to read him I've thought he was scum and he was town. And each and every time he has no clue how to actually read me. So he might legitimately just be awful at reading me and a less experienced player. I just can't see how anything in his filter makes him town and I think there's good reason to think at least 1 person in each other group is town. Yes, deep down I still think CR is 3P but with how he's playing that's a crap shoot; and honestly I'm seriously betting not the martyr one. Why are you voting for CR if you think he is prob actually third party and if you also think that Oats/damdres is most likely mafia. Doesn't really make sense. I do agree that it is hard to distinguish whether Dam is maf or just bad however. | ||
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On September 25 2014 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote: You speak as though I joined this game just so I can afk. Whenever I roll town, I put in a lot of effort trying to hunt down scum. Whenever I roll mafia, I put in a lot of effort trying to get town mislynched. I really just have no clue what I'm supposed to do here in this 3p role. You're not being very helpful. Find mafia. Protect a townie. Pretty basic actually. | ||
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On September 25 2014 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote: I also win with mafia though. Even if I play super well and manage to pinpoint all 3 mafia, it doesn't change the outcome. You can also win with town. And the town knows you are third party, so if you don't try and help town why should we not lynch you? | ||
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On September 25 2014 16:43 geript wrote: Enjoy getting lynched today then. You do nothing we 100% lynch you today. You don't martyr tonight, we 100% lynch you tomorrow. There's no grey line. Now since once you martyr, you have a town win condition, then you might want to start trying to figure out who mafia is. Because any help you can give to what your actual win condition will be would be appreciated. Otherwise, you can just lose now. I basically agree with this concept, although I would much rather lynch scum today and have you be productive for the town. | ||
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On September 25 2014 16:53 Chairman Ray wrote: geript, you're still not making any sense. You're just threatening me to play a certain way when I still don't understand why I have to play that way. I don't see in any way how this role is an innocent child. I win with both town and mafia. I'm not a confirmed town. I'm a confirmed spectator. You have to play that way or the town will lynch you. If you hadn't claimed you could have done whatever the fuck you wanted. Now you have to play by our rules or die by our hands. | ||
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OK here is how I am going to play this ray ray. You can live today. Then you have a choice. You can choose to devote yourself to the town by scum-hunting and giving your input. And then you can choose to use your ability to save a townie tonight thus tying your win condition to ours, which means anything you do to help town now is playing towards your win condition. You can ALSO choose to not Help the town, not save a townie and not join in the towns win condition. If you choose the former, I will be happy and will say you have a great chance of winning this game. If you choose the latter however; I will not stop, I will not rest until you are lynched. Don't take this as a threat. View it to be as inevitable as the laws of physics. This is cause and effect. | ||
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On September 25 2014 19:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I fucking hate bullshit like this. fucking hate it. ##unvote ##vote CR Yeah same. But we should just lynch him tomorrow if he doesn't suicide. | ||
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On September 25 2014 20:00 abuse wrote: Honestly, why is nobody looking at vayne. The guy's only input so far has been "we have to lynch the 3p" and then stops his vote to vote for oats with no explanation either. How is this not seen as scummy, because it sure as hell seems scummy to me. Vayne, what are your actual thoughts on people now? Don't think Damdred is scum. No scum vibes whatsoever. Nothing from Oats either. geript makes sense, but his PoE thinking is only valid if he is confirmed town. Which he isn't. Not that much coming from MM1 either, so I, personally, do not see why his words are supposed to be so believable, I currently see geript/MM1 as quite a possible mafia pairing aswell. Another note - Seeing how VE is talkative here and CR is anything but -- @VE What is happening in your QT? What does no scum vibes mean? What has damdred done this game in your own words? If geript is confirmed town to himself doesn;t his thinking make perfect sense as he is the one thinking it? Wow this post is the most sould crushing thing I have read all evening. Have you played any other games on this site? Can you link me a town game and a scum game of yours? | ||
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On September 25 2014 20:09 Chairman Ray wrote: I'll just use my ability tonight then. I don't think I'll be of any help scum-hunting. I've only followed the thread where I'm mentioned, and I don't really have the time nor motivation to catch up and make a solid case in a day. I'M happy with this outcome. Welcome to the town! Everyone take your votes off Chariman Ray please and thank you. | ||
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On September 25 2014 20:19 abuse wrote: Why are you still ignoring Vayne. no scum vibes means I do not see him as scummy. He has not really said anything that would strike me as scummy, I at first he mentioned his displeasure with how most of your filter was just saying that hapa is scum, which I also did not like. I like that you pushed him back, but tunelling him so hard, saying he's scum was not a correct move. I also agree that the push on him is uncalled for and seems scummy. He has not actually done anything that would make someone want to paint him scummy. If geript is confirmed town to himself, it does make sense since he is the one thinking it, but my point was that it does not make sense to me, because I do not see him as confirmed town. I have played one game on this site, in the newbie princess mafia recently. you can look it up. Im not ignoring Vayne. I talk to him in my QT with him and from that have no reason to want to lynch him today. As for Damdred. Not seeming to do anything much and not seeming to be scummy IS SCUMMY. that is like the definition of the niche that scum like to fill. | ||
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On September 25 2014 20:39 abuse wrote: What is he saying then? Because I would love to have a reason to not want to lynch him. So far he to me, is what damdred is to you it seems. Except Damdred has said much more, and more importantly, said much more stuff that I actually agree with. Vayne has done none of that. At least not to me. Or anyone else here for that matter except you. Why don't you ask him what he said rather than get it via a third party? What did damdred say In Particular that you agree with? | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:04 abuse wrote: You are as big of a part of that conversation as he is, so it shouldn't matter who I ask. I am generally asking you both though, I don't care who says it, though you did say that what he said makes you not want to lynch him. I just want to know what is it that makes you so determined on that, considering he has only even mentioned 2 people's names altogether in all of his posts combined. Also as for the what did damdred say in particular, please read a few posts above. The post which you said is soul crushing. Did you not read it if you did not see that I already said what Damdred said that I agree with? I'm not going to tell you what makes me not interested in lynching vayne because: a.) vayne shoul have the opportunity to do it himself and; b.) I have no faith in this town to even do the right thing about it if he DOES tell you all. As for damdred, if it is so easy to read it is even easier for you to outline Exactly what you agreed with damdred about. And telling me is objectively pro-town so if you are town you should do so. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Its not really about that. Its about, "Im gonna play how I like and you cant stop me. And you are wrong for wanting to kill me". The ME FIRST attitude basically. Which is super prevalent throughout your posts. The way to play survivor 3p is play day 1 like you do as town normally, which shouldnt be that hard cause you have the same level of info anyway. Then decide after the lynch whether you want to go town or mafia cause you saving someone night 1 is super big for town. Then after that play to your alignment wincon. If im scum and I dont nk you night 1 and you dont sacrifice, I assume you are playing for scum so probably wont look to kill you. Not playing pissing everyone off. Did you read the part where he said he will use his power tonight? If he does not he is a liar and will die. If he does he will die become a townie and potentially save a townie. So take your vote off of him oats. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote: What did he say in the qt that is better than "Im ok with oats lynch". Again, I hate this shit where people give reads off qt's without at least making an effort to vaguely say why you feel that way. Jesus fucking christ oats read between the lines a little. You are better than this. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote: oo yeah ##unvote ##vote geript I thought hapa looked bad and VE looked good. Hapa proceeded to look better and VE proceeded to look worse. Hapa's meta case was worthless IMO as there is meta which contradicts his conclusions. So both are question marks basically. I wouldn't want to lynch either of them till later in the game though. Why is geript scum bro? | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:17 abuse wrote: I don't understand. I already said exactly what I agreed with in that post. Say it again. And make it readable please. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote: you just said he claimed in qt. Duuuude. claiming in qt is like the best shit for scum to do. HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS. I'm not sure why it would be, care to elaborate? | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote: VE is hard pushing hapa your scumread. Its odd you dont have a hard read on either one of them. At this point does VE or Hapa look better? I said earlier about geript and I havent changed my mind. It seems like reads on me are pretty split, what do you think of my alignment? VE changed his read on Hapa for basically the same reasopns that I changed my read on him. He is doing shit. If I had to lynch out of hapa an VE I would lynch Hapa because I have been able to follow VE's thought patterns really easily this game which makes me think he is town. I kinda want him to push someone, but I am struggling to get a solid scum read right now too. So it's not like he can;t be town and nnot pushing someone. Hapa has been productive and made himself un-lynchable for now. Can you summarize your geript read for me please? As for my read on you. I think you are quite likely to be scum and could lynch you without losing any sleep. BUT the more you talk to me the more I love you again. SO let's keep talking shall we? | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Because then you make that townie feel better towards you that you trusted him so much. So buddy point 1. He then will keep your role secret cause sharing roles openly is bad. And its much easier fakeclaiming with only 1 person looking. So in essence, why is vayne claiming make you so confident hes town? He told me his role. And, it is fairly verifiable if handled correctly. | ||
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If I ask a question and you say you have already answered it: I DON'T FUCKING CARE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. If you refuse I think you are more likely to be scum. Thanks for your consideration. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote: no kidding...... So I hope you know this makes you more likely to be scum. Also, whats your beef? You ask questions other dudes have already asked, you get that kinda answer. I can copy paste my previous post if that is too much work for you. I always answer people even when the questions have already been answered. I expect the same. Also in no way does my partner claiming make me more likely to be scum. Explain that logic please. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: boo VE is being super reasonable. Actually yamato could be scum. Maybe. What do you think of these people? MM, abuse, Grack, yamato Lurker, Noob lurker, Lurker, Scummy. | ||
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On September 25 2014 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: 5 x town - town 1 x town - mafia 1 x mafia - mafia Ok had the wrong idea about the setup. DISREGARD PREVIOUS POST And on that bombshell... Goodnight! | ||
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Gonna catch up, so he may have slipped but usually that indicates a town lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote: It's more of just a case of Hapa being the only one that wrote a case today and most of us agreeing with it. Wasn't the case like complete basedd on meta and I found a game that didn;t comply with that meta. What IS hapa's case exactly? Although VE, voting for CR after I negotiated with him is like the most WHAT THE FUCK?!?! thing ever. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:44 yamato77 wrote: If VE isn't mafia, DP probably is. I don't think he has a scum read I would call convincing. Setting up your next mislynch bro? I wouldn't call your VE scum read convincing either. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:44 Grackaroni wrote: Not the best way to sway votes by alienating 1/4 of the thread I love you all. Please vote for yourselves. | ||
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##vote mystery meat Reason: Lurker and VE is town gushing at EoD | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:46 Damdred wrote: I would switch to mm or useless dp Why do people think I am useless? I am super busy which I said I would be before the game started, but when I am in the thread I have been super productive. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:48 yamato77 wrote: VE isn't gushing anything. DP so mafia if VE is town. You are mafia if VE is town because then we are both town. Or you are legitimately awful. Pick your poison. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:49 Hapahauli wrote: What's gushing-town about a guy showing up 30 minutes before lynch after afk'ing most of the day? See: Hero Mini Mafia for mafia VE doing this exact thing. He is doing shit, when his lynch is basically inevitable. ALSO he is acting like town VE when people call him scum as town. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:50 geript wrote: Bullshit, Damdred has done absolutely nothing today. Yamato is like super scummy IMO. | ||
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Kind seems like he just wants to lynch me and needs an excuse rather than actually making intelligent decisions based on thread information. | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:52 yamato77 wrote: Where are your reads DP? If VE isn't scum, who actually is? Me? Bring it. I will destroy you. I think damdred is scum. I think you are scum. How about that for starters? Like, People who try and set up lynches based on flips that haven;t happened are very likely to be mafia. I have also hated most of what you have posted. But hey, feel free to 'destroy' me.  I think damdred is scum. I think you are scum. How about that for starters? | ||
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LMAO. | ||
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Think for like 2 seconds. Use your brain, think about the context of the situation and then get back to me. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:15 Promethelax wrote: The fuck is bonded? He is like a death vigilante. When he dies he shoots someone. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:18 Promethelax wrote: Can you explain why you thought the VE lynch was uncontested? I had to babysit the thread into voting him at the last minute. No real counter wagon, no real push on anyone else. Which kinda makes more sense given his role I don;t think scum would have outed themselves to save a death vig. | ||
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I sure hope not. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:27 Chairman Ray wrote: What am I gonna do without VE He may be mafia, but he was still my QT bro  If you do not use your power tonight you are a hundred percent dead tomorrow. SO I don;t think you need to worry too much. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:29 Grackaroni wrote: Not like our answers were any different anyway You gonna get back to me on that question before or did you think about it a bit and understand? | ||
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On September 26 2014 18:06 abuse wrote: what the fuck is this, I don't even. Because inexperienced people cannot think strategically and are blind to everything going on in the game? Or should I take this as your godly permission to lurk from now on? Pretty obvious what we should do in case CR flips blue. As previously stated - Lynch/check one person per pair until we hit jackpot. considering the fact that scum will also be shooting people at the next night, we should have our answer in a day or so and you don't need much of a brain to figure this out. That is basically it. There is a fuckload or elitism on this site. Kind of justified because Many of the players here are objectively very skilled. But it also means it takes a while to earn the respect of the vets. Yes when I first started it was the same and I hated it. And yes I eventually became an elitist my self. | ||
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Further I need to re-read how the VE lynch went down, but Yam and prome are both very likely town. So that is good. | ||
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On September 26 2014 18:41 abuse wrote: Seems counter-productive if you want more people in your community. it wasn't a conscious choice. It's just how the culture is here and I doubt it will change much, if at all. | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:24 Promethelax wrote: Who can tell me why this proves that CR is not the defender? As a defender, you are able to use your body to block any kill attempts that isn't from third party. You will be notified who is about to die (from all factions) and you can choose to save the person and die, but change your wincon to town's, and negate your wincon to survive till the end. | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:43 Promethelax wrote: What a shitty broken role. Assuming what you said is true. #Themegameproblems | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:02 geript wrote: I'm saying, would you like to post baby seals or try and explain why I tracked you to Prome. LOL rekt. | ||
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##vote Chairman Ray. P.S: Why the fuck would you claim third party? | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote: This is my 8th game in a row rolling scum. I haven't played town in almost 2 years, and I hate playing scum. I gotta do something to keep things interesting. My mafia teammates were not very happy with it either. Fair enough | ||
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On September 27 2014 10:08 geript wrote: Well, since I'm going to die tonight, I'll leave a legacy. I got this bro. No need to worry. | ||
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a.) kill a scum and ; b.) Verify the claim. Now I don't expect scum to shoot him for several days if he IS town (or ever) and they didn't take the bait for a blue hit last night. THEREFORE: Vayne claimed Werewolf in the QT and then AFK'd from it. He called me town and claimed straight off the bat. He did not try and determine my alignment or question me at all in our QT. I think he is suspicious. But I am not really sure what the best way to validate that claim is without scum shooting him. | ||
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On September 27 2014 11:15 Grackaroni wrote: What DP said actually make VA less likely. He won't get any real benefit out of that claim and it puts him at risk of being CC'd This is a good point actually. and yeah Chairman ray slipped a lot of information out. | ||
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On September 27 2014 12:08 Damdred wrote: It kind of makes sense, I could see vayne holding his shot during the night I suppose. If he gets cc'd i would lynch into him but not until then. Who were you thinking of shooting last night? and any reason you didn't? Man you are really not reading the thread are you. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:20 geript wrote: Since you're around, do you agree that Prome is likely 3P? I don't think it matters either way. He is not scum. | ||
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I thought you were an objectively better kill, so I think you are on the right track with thinking about who would be more likely to kill prome based, presumably on promes town rep. Which makes it more likely that it was someone who has been around for a while. How likely do you think it would be for scum!yamato to bus VE day one? | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:24 geript wrote: I think it does matter but not that much. What's your opinion on my read on Abuse? MEH. I think you read way too much into that one post bitching about elitism. That is the kind of post I would make as scum and DID make as a new player playing scum. He is about as townie as kush to me. But I have been basically ignoring everything he has said so I could be missing something that makes him a super duper town friend. But I don't think I am, shit like that stands out. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:30 Promethelax wrote: People who would shoot me in this game: Oats Yamato DP Kush People I have histories with who I have expressed town reads of, no one else makes sense because I really haven't been playing terribly well or done anything very interesting. HAHAHA I would never shoot you prome. I would much rather get into a massive shit fight with you. | ||
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I admit to the counterwagon shit though. LOL. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:40 Promethelax wrote: Scum VE thinks I'm really good actually. I wouldn't be shocked if he wanted me dead. I tore his team a new asshole in carnival cruise and smashed the scum team when VE was town in PYP:LoL. I also was the only town player in the OMGus resistance mafia to get any part of the scum team right and I got 3/4 of them after VE fucked me hard as scum. He usually has it out for me when he is red and I'm green, Well that explains it most likely. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:40 Promethelax wrote: That was someone else trying to refute hapa's meta case was it? I mean. I didn't try. I DID refute it. The meta case was still incorrect, even if VE was scum after all. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:42 Promethelax wrote: I still think scum is one of the four I posted earlier. Probably not kush though. He thinks I'm trash tier. I disagree. If VE is scared of you and he 99% left instructions for the Night kill in the thread it could be any of the new guys. Maybe even more likely because newer scum players are more likely to follow instructions from VE than think independently in respond to the thread developing. One thing I found interesting was when CR said BOTH his scummy buddies were pissed off that he fake claimed. So the last scum needed to at least be aware of how unlikely that fake claim was to succeed. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:44 Promethelax wrote: One game from a year ago is not refutation, stick to not using meta. You are excellent when you don't stay towards the dark side of mafia games. Much less impressive when you do. How likely is it that Vanye is 3p in your opinion? A town game is a town game is a town game. And I don't need pointers from you Prome. :D | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:44 Promethelax wrote: How likely is it that Vanye is 3p in your opinion? Really unlikely. Getting counter claimed would have been an Insta-loss. There would be like no point in risking it, especially when vayne is quite capable of lurking to victory. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:43 geript wrote: I'm kinda tired of reading stuff and I'm watching the LoL championships. Anything you specifically want to me to look at when I get up tomorrow Prome/DP? Dat fanatic OMG game. OMG.... get it. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:53 Promethelax wrote: The general premise of the read is one I've used and support. It entails a weak scum player though and since I have no idea of abuse's scum capabilities I'd call him a town lean but not as confirmed as you seem to think he is. I think oats has a decent chance of being the last scum actually. DP: are you sure there can be only one of each role? This set-up seems poorly thought out and poorly defined. I can't find anywhere that it says only one is possible. No. but anyone who has played mafia sort of has inherent ideas of what is balanced. And two werewolves would mean that town would HAVE to mislynch one of them or auto win. SO I think that possibility (two werewolves being possible) would not have occurred to someone fakeclaiming at the start of the game. | ||
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On September 27 2014 18:00 Promethelax wrote: Werewolf is susceptible to 3p kills, it isn't as outlandish as you are saying it is. Though it is really fucking retarded and Vanye usually understands what is and isn't retarded in terms of roles. That is the key point. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:58 Promethelax wrote: But that would require kush to not be an ass and sign up for games on alt accounts. Something he has been doing since before I left. Oats just hasn't done anything at all townie, his activity is shit which it usually isn't as town. He tried to call me out for town reading him early and kept trying to get me lynched which he isn't likely to do as town unless he just want Senpai to notice him. Oats is probably the first mafia player on this site to ever look up to me and last hasn't stopped since I coached his newbies forever ago. He likes to be buddies when we are town but tries to avoid me when he is scum. Plus he would want to shoot me as scum. Yeah I don't agree that oats is townie at all like some people have said. Although he looked better at the end of day one. | ||
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On September 27 2014 18:05 Promethelax wrote: You weren't new when you decided that I was awesome. It was PYP:LoL and you'd been playing for a while. DP: who are your top scum reads? No clue. There is a whole swathe of people that fall somewhere between Plausible - More plausible. | ||
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On September 27 2014 18:05 geript wrote: I have a question DP. Did Vayne claim before or after CR did? Let me check. He claimed at: 09-23-2014 11:55 PM ET (US) I can;t compare them because they are in two different time formats for me. ET and AEDT | ||
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This post here is the LAST time he actually develops the read on me. And how does he do it? By rehashing something he posted in his qt. Seems like he is really invested in his scum read or trying to convince others to lynch him. On September 25 2014 08:41 Damdred wrote: Just got to a comp i'll go on and paste my notes that i put up this morning to oats (about dp) Yea, at the start he just skims the thread and votes with what could be seen as something that could become popular in the thread since CR basically said he would help mafia. DP when confronted instantly voted off. When it comes to hapa he gave himself an out of his scum read on him by saying it was basically outdated meta, its a decent scum tell to give yourself such an easy out at that point if hes played with him so much. And he misrepresents the meta and comes to geript with a chainsaw in hand basically. Even though hes so sure that hapa is scum, he refuses to vote on him or push his lynch today even though most of his filter IS HAPA IS SCUM. Its noncommital with the appearance of looking good. He said he would be willing to lynch a third party if another better lynch could not be obtained. If you look at the OP there is only 1 3p in this game. Which at this point if nobody has CC'd or claimed third party we can be safe to assume that CR is the only one. So he should be off the table, and lynching into the unknown with a chance to hit mafia is better than lynching a known. (wasteing a lynch is never good in my book) He isn't pushing anything but hapa is scum, and he'll let that ride till tomorrow so that he can try to get him lynched tomorrow (if hes not shitting towny rainbows). Hes throwing doubt on a few people and giving a little pressure on geript at this point which looks and feels more like show than anything. Added a few things in the (). What is the next thing he posts about his major read from day one? The person he spoke at length about wanting to question: On September 26 2014 00:50 Damdred wrote: I felt like I did explain why I was scum reading DP at the time decently well. I suppose i'm being prudent in how I look at our partnership currently and you should act the same way towards me until our alignments are known to each other. So I can understand the stance. At the time? So he doesn't scum read me anymore? Who the fuck knows. He has dropped his read on me with zero reasoning the read he used as an excuse to be unproductive prior to that. On September 26 2014 00:50 Damdred wrote: The case is not bad, Prom posts a few big posts that seem good at face value but their are several issues within each. Several issues within each. What issues? What is he talking about? No one knows because he doesn;t explain or extrapolate. Non committal and saying nothing. On September 26 2014 03:47 Damdred wrote: Sorry I missed this while looking. I'm really hesitant to say MM, but I think hes a decent lynch today for a few reasons (on my phone so can't quote but I can add those laters and if mm wants to address this hes welcome to) In his earlier filter, he talks about not liking hapa (who at the time I believe, thread sentiment was against) but had no real opinion on DP because he had never played with him before. On further inspection, MM still hasn't given a read on DP but did give one on hapa and after talking with hapa I learned that MM never played with him either. So why the double standard and still not having an opinion on someone who is prominent in the thread? (once thread sentiment turned in hapas favor MM felt a lot better about hapa and worse about VE which is a non-point i think) His postins about who he thinks is the best lynch is always in flux and is a bit strange. He said at one point that Oats was the better lynch out of myself and Oats. Once his partner started in on me he switched to me, then back to oats. While always staying voted on me. It just does not make sense and not a lot of time passes between "I do not know if i want to lynch oats or VE first today" to "Damdred is the best lynch today". Later on he says lynch oats, and he would rather have me alive and he liked that I hadn't town read my partner on basically nothing, but this was the same t hing that got him to switch to me in the first place last night. Later on the same reason he wants to move to oats and lynch oats, is the reason he gives him a pass for today? And then he jumps on abuse. MM just seems like he wants to kill anyone he can, or look like hes contributing to the thread. Its just hes pretty easy to lynch in every game I play with him and i'm hesitant in it now. Cool now his top scum read is the biggest nobody lurker in the game. What happened to DP being scum? Who the fuck knows. But I find it very disingenuous that such a huge part of his day one scum hunting can just disappear into nothingness. On September 26 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote: ##Vote VE I have to start going back to work now, but i'll be around the last hour hit and miss if we want to do a sudden change, I really do not want a no lynch some information is better than none. Out of nowhere He joins the VE wagon. ZERO explanation. Just hops on. LIke why? He didn;t even TRY to lynch his 'biggest scum read' MM or his previous obsession DP. Looks Like a bus. Smells like a bus. I come in and try some last minute shenanigans. On September 26 2014 06:46 Damdred wrote: I would switch to mm or useless dp OH LOOK HE SHEEPS HIS SCUM READ THAT HE DROPPED BUT NOW HAS AGAIN TO STOP THE VOTE ON VE WHO HE HAS SAID NOTHING ABOUT. Like look at the EXACT progression from Damdred and his VE read and bathe in the scumminess. On September 26 2014 04:57 Damdred wrote: @Hapa VEs lack of being present at this point in the day is worrying, or at least sticking around. After the VE flip where would you go if we lynched him? And what do you think of MM? On September 26 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote: ##Vote VE I have to start going back to work now, but i'll be around the last hour hit and miss if we want to do a sudden change, I really do not want a no lynch some information is better than none. On September 26 2014 06:39 Damdred wrote: VE besides Cr who is mafia to you? On September 26 2014 06:46 Damdred wrote: I would switch to mm or useless dp Oh shit VE was lynched, better salvage my town cred mang On September 26 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote: I'm glad I stuck on him and I hope Cr is the defender. This is a great day for town. But wait. Why is he questioning the Cr defender claim. At the time everyone in the thread should have been pretty sure that he WAS the defender. Because the alternative was so fucking INCOMPREHENSIBLE. Off. On September 27 2014 08:16 Damdred wrote: ##vote CR at work atm, glad you did the smart thing geript. Oh look lost my other buddy. Give me town creds. And today, all Damdred has done is push Vayne and IGNORED THE TWO PEOPLE HE WANTED TO LYNCH INSTEAD OF VE. Damdred is scum /thread /game | ||
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On September 27 2014 18:38 Promethelax wrote: Damdred is super townie. I just read his filter. You should too. Either 3p is poisoner or arsonist. Both are weaker than mafia. Poisoner cannot immodestly remove threats to himself and arsonist can only light once so he has to reach endgame with the right players soaked. Both are less powerful than mafia. Also I like killing mafia. On top of that last mafia may have a role, both strongman and vig are extremely potent. He is not town. He is mafia. | ||
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On September 27 2014 20:29 abuse wrote: Sorry mustve ignored you. Damn that must be a sucky feeling. lol | ||
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On September 28 2014 06:44 Promethelax wrote: Also what the fuck is this hosting? I know that there was not a unanimous vote to change deadlines, I did not vote for it. The hosts for this game should be ashamed of themselves. | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:10 yamato77 wrote: dp, what do you think about grack? What is there to say? He lurking and useless. He actually did stuff in the ONE game I played with him in which he was mafia. Titanic II Why do you think he is scum yamato. A one liner from you is about as convincing as a toothless prostitute. | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:35 GlowingBear wrote: Please keep hosting issues to address to in the post game or via PM. I kindly ask you to keep the thread discussion inside the game context. Thank you  LOL. You got balls kid. | ||
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He kind of gives momentum toward it whilst not actually moving his vote. And when it doesn't happen he is QUICK to lap up any town cred he can get. Townies are far more DIRECT and far less careful because they don;t know that VE is going to flip mafia. And then questioning chairman ray's alignment contrary to thread sentiment at the time (as the thread had pretty clearly established he was third party) Is ALSO really fucking weird. I think he is very likely to be scum. He has looked scummy all game and his VE vote progression and his CR vote seal the deal. | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:48 Grackaroni wrote: meh I don't think CR was trying to be misleading. You were one of the people not supportive of the VE lynch and you are one of the people I could see getting mad at CR and making him send the kp to prom instead of Geript. Well if you don't think CR was trying to be misleading you should think I am confirmed town. Why? you ask. Because he was talking to ME about what his two partners did. ##rekt | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:53 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I really don't care about that. More of I think CR wanted to get the fact that he wanted to kill Geript off his chest. Well that is bullshit grack. Either you think he was misleading and then nothing he said means jack shit (the correct play) Or you think he was not misleading and then he fucking slipped that I was town. You can't pick and choose what he was misleading about and what he was genuine about to suit your own agenda motherfucker. So which is it? Was he genuine or not. Was he misleading or not. | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:59 Grackaroni wrote: you already said you thought CR slipped information so how is that the correct play now? I think CR was truthful about the Geript statement and I didn't notice that the person that he told his teammates were angry at him was you. You never EVER trust a dead mafioso 100%. You should know that Grack. In Titanic II you said a lot of things that were genuine. But you also twisted and lied about shit. I do think he slipped some shit out. But you can't take that to the bank. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:07 Grackaroni wrote: lol ok I think that's fair. I agree I shouldn't take that to the bank. So, now I am going to go ahead and pick and choose and say that I believe this quote from CR was genuine And say that this quote may OR may not be genuine Are you scum grack? | ||
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On September 28 2014 18:15 Promethelax wrote: Do you...do you even know what cycle it is bro? The hosts DID just cut they day in half randomly. And it wasn't really announced in the thread that clearly either. | ||
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On September 29 2014 06:39 Promethelax wrote: hosts please clarify: can town share a win with poisoner/arsonist? They can. | ||
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On September 29 2014 07:07 geript wrote: Yup Did you track me? | ||
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On September 29 2014 07:07 Promethelax wrote: No no the night got lengthened without our consent to make up for the day that got shortened without our consent, don't be silly. Are you serious>? | ||
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##VOTE: 24 hour day Oats concede plz. | ||
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On September 29 2014 09:37 yamato77 wrote: why does it even matter ##vote oats Cause plurality lynch is vastly superior. | ||
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You win if you survive till the end. That is word for word. | ||
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On September 29 2014 10:43 Grackaroni wrote: ugh who knows when Oats is going to wake up I have him on skype and facebook so i'll tell let you know. | ||
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On September 29 2014 10:45 Grackaroni wrote: So what's the deal DP? Were you trying to help mafia or did you just think that VE was town Honestly? I didn't care what peoples alignments were. I just did things that would keep me alive. I was playing the role like I would play survivor. Be useless enough to not get shot but do enough to not get lynched. I wanted to push a strong townie day one because it makes scum keep you around and being controversial can get enough town cred to not get lynched which is why I pushed hapa. I defended VE because he agreed with me in the thread. So it is in my best interests to keep him around. If he was town I had a townie with the potential to sway the thread backing me, If he was scum I was backing him so he wouldn't shoot me. Win/win. Third party is really fucking boring though and I hate it. Because you don't actually do any of the things that make mafia enjoyable, you don't really scum hunt at all (in fact that can get you shot real quick), and you don't really have to push mislynches or mislead people or save/bus your buddies. You kind of just sit around in the thread and it sucks. | ||
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On September 29 2014 10:49 Damdred wrote: ## 24 hr day I'm surprised i'm alive I figured that DP would of poisoned me, or he did last night and i would of died anyway lol. Why would I do that? | ||
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On September 29 2014 10:58 Damdred wrote: Figured if you were 3p by the end you were looing for mafia and looked like you believed i was mafia Nah I just needed to make a case to satisfy prome and geript. I honestly had no idea who the last scum was so it was safer to not kill anyone. | ||
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On September 29 2014 11:06 Grackaroni wrote: I guess it was VA? 4 town PR is definitely too much No shit. | ||
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On September 29 2014 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: I think I know whats going on here What is that? | ||
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On September 29 2014 11:33 Grackaroni wrote: nah nvm. I think the setup was just imbalanced ![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/YC6ZedMDgR1Fm.gif) | ||
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Fucking plays mang. | ||
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On September 29 2014 17:12 abuse wrote: I was sleeping. Because that's what people do on sunday nights when they have to go to work on monday. Also - Guys what the hell. Where on earth did you get the idea that 3P wins with town? "Survive till the end" means you win when you are the last one standing. This is how it has always been with 3P. Why on earth are you taking DP's word for it(winning with town), when he himself is the 3P? If Oats is the shotgunner, then right now we can safely assume that DP is the arsonist(already mentioned that Defender is not possible in this setup, and if he were the poisoner, someone would have died tonight). Why on earth would an arsonist win with town, when his whole role is based on dousing as many people in gasoline as possible and lighting them up in the endgame? What does that role even have the need to be in the game, if they win in the endgame with town, if they did it would be a town role, not a 3P. As for Scum, with DP claiming 3P, that leaves MM1 as scum. I will stay with my previous post about him, which he really has not addressed in any way either. The "play" with saying he tracked oats, basically just revealed the shotgunner to everyone. It was was a town move if done by town, but was also a scum move if done by scum, because it revealed a town power role to them by forcing Oats to claim. What would Oats do if he was not a shotgunner but just a vanilla, and could not provide proof that he killed kush? Oats would be lynched, that's what. Why on earth would you do this? Survive to the end. When the game ends I win if I survive. If it was anything else it would be: You win when you have eliminated all other players. But it's not. It is survive to the end. So stfu with your fear mongering idiot. | ||
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Jesus christ you are dumb or mafia. | ||
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On September 29 2014 20:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes but you also win with mafia dp. A point you conveniently failed to mention Yep. But I don't REQUIRE town to lose like mafia do. Also town is incredibly INCREDIBLY far ahead so that isn't really a realistic scenario. Town lynches last scum we all win and go home. | ||
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On September 29 2014 21:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Im just saying you are the last person scum kills. Which makes you dangerous. How does it make me dangerous exactly? | ||
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On September 29 2014 22:17 abuse wrote: Well that sucks. I'd watch what I say, considering you did not get a single read correct during this game and you chose to aid town in an already town biased setup. And you are supposed to be good. What a joke. Also, survive till the end - in all games I played, 3P wins when he is the last one standing - which is the end of the game, if a 3P role is present. lol. I was playing to my win condition by helping town when they were ahead but not being so productive enough to be shot. Not sure why that makes you so mad. | ||
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On September 29 2014 22:30 Promethelax wrote: DP: I had fun with uou. It was nice. About time we weren't against each other. I was bored and barely read the thread. Third party sucks balls. | ||
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On September 29 2014 22:32 abuse wrote: Cause you're bm and arrogant as fk, and I don't like bm and arrogance.You are also not as good as you think you are. No good player would flat out ignore a person's posts in a game. Especially if the person is scum. That and I'm just frustrated and confused, because I never expected a KP 3P role to be on town's side and able to win with town. My whole game depended on you killing town. Which you didn't do, so there is nothing I can do anymore really, especially if Vayne really does turn out to be Werewolf, and I do not have the luxury of trying to find it out. I didn't ignore you. I doused you day one. I just didn't respond in the thread because it in no way helped me win the game or put me in a better position to win. I think you are getting confused about good town play and good play in general. If I am third party, I am not going to try and rape all the scum day one or really do too much of anything. Why? Because my win condition REQUIRES me to not get shot by scum. Your winning required me to play my given role INCORRECTLY. So don't try and logically justify your butthurt when I play the role correctly. | ||
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Losing a second scum 50% of the time is not balanced for mafia when they are a team of three. ESPECIALLY with all the KP floating around. | ||
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On September 29 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote: Yes. That was why the pairings of 1town/1mafia was made known, so that it can act as a coverup for mafia. VE/Cr just played it pretty badly in my opinion. Especially with how CR gave up because he rolled mafia. Yes but 1 mafia/ 1 mafia is guaranteed correct? So, no matter what, as soon as town lynches/kills a mafia there is a 50% chance they lose a second mafia for free. There is no universe in which that is balanced for scum. The whole point of playing scum is to reduce the connections, be as hard to find as possible. It is a battle of attrition with the town. But that battle goes to shit when you lose 2 scum for the price of one 50% of the time. | ||
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On September 29 2014 23:18 GlowingBear wrote: I'm sorry, but most of the game was figured out because CR fake claimed 3rd party. And about bad hosting, if Prome is angry because of what happened day2, ok. If he is angry for anything else, I don't get it. Jesus Christ. Do people really not understand game balance? Really? If so then please use cookie cutter setups. Honestly. | ||
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Which makes the game...... .....Wait for it..... Really really imbalanced. | ||
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On September 29 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote: If you think about it, Cr could probably have survived if he did not concede. No YOU think about your game critically for two seconds please. There is no way in HELL this game was balanced for scum. I think Town wins 95% of the time. Without question. | ||
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On September 29 2014 23:47 yamato77 wrote: DP did you actually believe VE was town? Nah I was 50/50. | ||
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On September 30 2014 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Thx for the good time hosts. Next time I expect dinner and a movie first though. haha :D | ||
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On September 30 2014 05:52 Promethelax wrote: I didn't read any of this game after d1. Your existence made this game more fun. Nothing wrong with 3p, a 3p that wind when either town or mafia is eliminated and has KP is stupid easy though. We have never been the same alignment still. Kind funny actually. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:50 Grackaroni wrote: hmmmm Chupazi con hijole bamcis agree | ||
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