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On September 24 2014 16:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:33 DarthPunk wrote:He already explained himself hapa On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! Do you see VE's response as serious? Because I don't.
It makes sense to me.
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Normally people do this when they found a slip or something. Not "try to read my mind for why I think somebody is scum"
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On September 24 2014 16:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:34 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 16:33 DarthPunk wrote:He already explained himself hapa On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! Do you see VE's response as serious? Because I don't. It makes sense to me.
Doesn't make sense to me at all.
Because obviously VE or anyone didn't come close to mentioning the stuff in my case.
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The more I read VE"s read-post, the more it feels like it's packed with this really contrived pseudo-logic.
Give me a minute.
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When you mentioned the game (does anyone see what I see) VE tried to guess what it was you were talking about. He leaves, While he is gone you post a case on geript that doesn't really contain anything that would make sense in the (do you see what I see) game.
Therefore VE finds that suspicious and something that mafia would do.
You ask for clarification, he clarifies by saying there was no townie points to be had because the game you started was unsolvable due to it being, in VE's opinion, disingenuous or fraudulent.
Which is a position I can empathize with.
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He was also taking the piss but if you read his posts it's pretty obvious what he is talking about IMO.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=26#516
Alright I'm going to go through this post read-by-read, because a lot of it just straight-up doesn't make sense. I'll ignore the read on me, because obviously I'm going to disagree with it no matter what allignment I am (although I can post thoughts if someone requests so).
It's also a read I can see a townie making. The other reads... not so much.
yamato is probably town - standard 1-liner posts, general observations...I don't like that he's suspicious of me, but not everyone is as perfect as me.
"General observations" and "standard 1-liners" are objectively suspicious, and are more often used as scumtells as opposed to town-tells.
It's also very strange to see him this confident about a read like that so early on.
Damdred and I seem to be on the same wavelength at least in terms of what we're looking for to find mafia - gonna throw him in the townpile for now and see how I like that.
If you read Damdred's filter, it's hard to imagine what this "same wavelength" could be:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=Damdred
This is the only interaction that VE and Damdred have, and it's on the subject of CR being the Defender.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=17#331
Other than that, Damdred's filter is
a) Other stuff on CR (irrelevant to "being on the same wavelegnth in scumhunting"
b) Suspicion on geript (not mentioned by VE)
c) Finding me town (the exact opposite of VE's read)
So by all objective measures, this read is completely contrived by VE.
MM1 gets 1 Townie Brownie for making a decent case on Kush before he entered the thread. If we lynch a lurker instead of a scumspect, I'm willing to go with Kush based on MM1's observation. Will not lynch MM1 today.
MM1 did not make a case on Kush.
CR hasn't said anything more in our QT. He's claimed 3rd Party in the thread. There you go.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=16#310
This is far fromt he "definitive" answer promised by VE earlier, not to mention that that post I linked in retrospect is a 3-paragraph way of saying "Idunno about CR's claim"
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On September 24 2014 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:
When you mentioned the game (does anyone see what I see) VE tried to guess what it was you were talking about. He leaves, While he is gone you post a case on geript that doesn't really contain anything that would make sense in the (do you see what I see) game.
Therefore VE finds that suspicious and something that mafia would do.
You ask for clarification, he clarifies by saying there was no townie points to be had because the game you started was unsolvable due to it being, in VE's opinion, disingenuous or fraudulent.
Which is a position I can empathize with.
Why are you answering for VE? He is perfectly capable of answering for himself.
There are many things he needs to answer for me.
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And DP, I'm actually far more interested in the tone of his post.
On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!!
It toes a very awkward line between serious and trolly. And that does not feel natural to me at all.
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@ Yamato
Does VE have a history of reading you early and well?
i.e. Is he someone that can have a confident opinion on you early on?
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On September 24 2014 16:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:
When you mentioned the game (does anyone see what I see) VE tried to guess what it was you were talking about. He leaves, While he is gone you post a case on geript that doesn't really contain anything that would make sense in the (do you see what I see) game.
Therefore VE finds that suspicious and something that mafia would do.
You ask for clarification, he clarifies by saying there was no townie points to be had because the game you started was unsolvable due to it being, in VE's opinion, disingenuous or fraudulent.
Which is a position I can empathize with. Why are you answering for VE? He is perfectly capable of answering for himself. There are many things he needs to answer for me.
I'm not answering for him. he literally posted that if you read what he posted.
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On September 24 2014 16:53 Hapahauli wrote:And DP, I'm actually far more interested in the tone of his post. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! It toes a very awkward line between serious and trolly. And that does not feel natural to me at all.
The tone is not alignment indicativeand it is consistent with other posts he made during the day.
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On September 24 2014 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:53 Hapahauli wrote:And DP, I'm actually far more interested in the tone of his post. On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! It toes a very awkward line between serious and trolly. And that does not feel natural to me at all. The tone is not alignment indicativeand it is consistent with other posts he made during the day.
It is very off when you're dealing with someone who you think is mafia.
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I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment.
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On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment.
Are you saying I don't do tone reads? huh?
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I want VE to respond first. I am deliberately not addressing that case.
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On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment.
I really don;t get what you are saying here.
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On September 24 2014 17:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. Are you saying I don't do tone reads? huh?
I can't really remember you doing them in any of the games I've played or read. I've always remembered you as logical and methodical.
I actually am pretty sure on my read on VE. I want to sleep on it though.
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On September 24 2014 17:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 17:01 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. Are you saying I don't do tone reads? huh? I can't really remember you doing them in any of the games I've played or read. I've always remembered you as logical and methodical. I actually am pretty sure on my read on VE. I want to sleep on it though.
What is your VE read? I read your filter and it wasn't all that clear.
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