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On September 24 2014 17:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. I really don;t get what you are saying here.
The switch from "objectively odd thing in VE's filter" to "odd tone read" isn't something I've seen from Hapa before as best I can recall. It's like a switch from "mafia logic" to "mafia feels." Maybe I've shoehorned Hapa into an incorrect idk generalization, but the first point is semi-convincing whereas the second one is less convincing and even more so coming from Hapa.
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On September 24 2014 17:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 17:05 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 17:01 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. Are you saying I don't do tone reads? huh? I can't really remember you doing them in any of the games I've played or read. I've always remembered you as logical and methodical. I actually am pretty sure on my read on VE. I want to sleep on it though. What is your VE read? I read your filter and it wasn't all that clear.
I'll give it in the morning. I'll post it in QT so M&M can confirm it hasn't changed. I'd like to have a bit more from VE to be sure but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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On September 24 2014 17:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 17:01 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 17:00 geript wrote:
I get where you're coming from Hapa re: tone. It just feels really weird for you to make a good logical post re:VE calling Damfred town bros and on the same page as him to the tone read. Something that's definitely, IMO, not really quite in your wheelhouse and less odd from VE as either alignment. Are you saying I don't do tone reads? huh? I can't really remember you doing them in any of the games I've played or read. I've always remembered you as logical and methodical. I actually am pretty sure on my read on VE. I want to sleep on it though.
It's something I've tried to pay a lot of attention to since in the Shadow game, where gonzaw made a couple of really good posts on Holyflare's emotional inconsistencies.
That was also one of my last games before the extended break from mafia I took, so I'm not surprised you haven't seen me use these types of reads.
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Also fwiw Hapa, on the face it doesn't look good. But I've seen townies do something like that a bunch.
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On September 24 2014 17:16 geript wrote:
Also fwiw Hapa, on the face it doesn't look good. But I've seen townies do something like that a bunch.
I'd be less concerned if VE made one botched read. One bad read does not make someone mafia.
Three to four in one post? You would literally have to not read the thread to hold all of those reads simultaneously.
It all seems very deceptive. Like he skimmed the thread quick, threw together a bunch of reads for the sake of completeness, and portrayed himself as very confident and on top of things.
So it's everything combined that sets the scum-alarms off.
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The Damdred read especially is just... ugh.
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On September 24 2014 15:52 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I want to lynch Oatsmaster now.
Dude what the fuck man.
I posted like 3 posts.
Geript + DP scumteam.
Geript said this:
No I'm not trying to be useful at all. I just want to be able to fucking read my filter without having to scroll back through the first 4-6 pages to figure out what the pairs are. Yes, you guys get to see it to. I don't care.
Who reads their filter as town?????
Also that whole bunch of posting nothing about CR which shows that he isnt aware of the implications of CR doing bullshit as a town member.
And the part where he calls hapa scum then town.
DP for chainsawing Hapa and spending so much time talking about a joke. Mafia dont get jokes, they are super srs.
On September 24 2014 12:45 DarthPunk wrote:Hi i'm back. I don't think Geript looks scummy at all. From skimming the thread it seems like hapa could very well be mafia, I have a few reasons for this, some of it is dated meta but he is just not behaving in the same way that I would expect him too as town. I also think that this post is pretty off. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 10:33 yamato77 wrote:
so uh
hapa is mafia
go No. *pout* Like I would expect hapa to question yamato about this read. try and figure out why the fuck Yamato 'incorrectly' thinks he is mafia. But he says nothing and then starts making big posts about geript being scum. He ignores the pressure and switches the thread onto another lynch target. Despite some token questioning hapa doesn't seem as invested in figuring shit out as I would expect. Not questioning yamato on his scum read of hapa is really fucking weird and his meta doesn't match what I expect from him as town. Further, Hapa in the past has almost ALWAYS pressured me hard at the start of games in order to determine my alignment. This game, I posted some stuff that should have looked pretty bad. But Hapa just ignored it after I provided some token excuses and does not move to question or pressure me to the extent I would expect or have experienced in the past. Which further reinforced my doubts on hapa's investment in figuring shit out.
literally no reasons why geript is town.
DP, why was geript townie at that point?
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Oats mafia calling it now.
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To answer your question Oats: I just thought hapa's case was bullshit. I didn't think geript looked particularly scummy OR townie. Hapa's case looked bullshit though.
Why do you think Geript is scum?
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Nevermind. I can see that it is partly because I chainsaw defended him, partly because he read his own filter and partly because he flipped on his hapa read.
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That is literally the worst case I have ever seen oats make.
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On September 24 2014 17:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Now you know how I feel.
Since when do you care that I call you scum as town? When I called you scum in the past you just kept making cases and doing townie things.
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This game you have been all butthurt and dickish about it.
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Yes I do get quite buttmad when someone who should know how I play as town botches my meta beyond repair.
I am grumpy and tired.
Will read Oats tomorrow.
Gnite world.
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On September 24 2014 16:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! I'm not joking around VE. Explain yourself.
I'm not joking around either. There was no point to the post you made referencing "townie points", which means that you never found anything suspicious about geript. Your whole "case" on him is just listing out his posts and making generic statements about them, which I could literally do about anyone in the thread as either alignment and I know geript can too, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you know that too. So don't tell ME to explain myself Hapa. YOU explain YOURSELF. WHY were there no townie points to be had? Why did you say there was something specific about geript's posts that you noticed which you never really mention? Unless you're talking about the whole "disjointed from the thread" thing which I don't even see and looks completely made up.
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DP knows what I'm talkin about.
I'm goin to bed for real now.
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On September 24 2014 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:30 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 16:21 Hapahauli wrote:@ VEIf you made my "town points" thing to be suspicious and mafia-motivated, why did you play along so much? On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I want those townie points but I don't know why. I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! On September 24 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 11:44 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2014 08:19 geript wrote:
I'm half tempted to flip CR to see if VE is confirmed town or not. Is it because he wants to call me "confirmed town" based on CR's flip in spite of no such certainty coming with such a flip? Meh so I read OP wrong sue me. I'm guessing Hapa's reasoning, I didn't say I thought you were scummy for it. I would absolutely LOVE for you to call me confirmed town for whatever reason you want! What I find suspicious is that there wasn't any townie points for me to have Hapa! THERE WERE NO TOWNIE POINTS FOR ME TO WREST FROM YOU WILLFULLY!!!! I'm not joking around VE. Explain yourself. I'm not joking around either. There was no point to the post you made referencing "townie points", which means that you never found anything suspicious about geript. Your whole "case" on him is just listing out his posts and making generic statements about them, which I could literally do about anyone in the thread as either alignment and I know geript can too, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you know that too. So don't tell ME to explain myself Hapa. YOU explain YOURSELF. WHY were there no townie points to be had? Why did you say there was something specific about geript's posts that you noticed which you never really mention? Unless you're talking about the whole "disjointed from the thread" thing which I don't even see and looks completely made up.
All of this is pretty simple to answer: I forced the hell out of my case on geript because it's something I like doing in mafia games. Things like "townie points" and "this is not a joke case" are devices used to get people interested and read what I post. Create a big thread event, and watch the activity and actions unfold.
You should know this first hand. In Shadow Mini mafia, I forced a very early case on you as town. Same as in the Duke Nukem Hydra game. It's fun, creates activity, and all and all is a good time.
Now since we both think the other is mafia, it's your turn to answer me VE.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=28#547
You made a post calling me scum and dropping a handful of town-reads. Those town-reads look completely fabricated and incomprehensible.
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On September 24 2014 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
That is literally the worst case I have ever seen oats make.
Possibly.
Doesnt mean its wrong.
I noticed that you totally tiptoed around your hapa read, why?
Also,
why is hapa's case bad but then you agree with one of his points?
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Yamato will surely verify that I can and do read him confidently, early and well. My read on Damdred is based on him noticing the same thing about geript that I did when you mentioned it. My read on MM is based on exactly what I said it was. What are you having a hard time grasping exactly?
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