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On October 07 2014 08:20 loafery wrote: So shall we mass claim? Bound to get 2 people overlapping in this setup. Uh, mr spy, you're supposed to be secretive about trying to find the important scientists to kill. You think doctor and cop are just going to claim before any checks? | ||
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Extra setup notes Mafia roleblocker can both perform the night kill and use his roleblock action. Mafia roleblocker is resolved before town jailkeeper. Mafia players will receive safe scientist names for fake claiming. Tell me again what that accomplishes, spy? | ||
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Please explain the benefit before saying we should massclaim please | ||
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You don't just throw around super pinky promises, man. If you wend up mafia I'll never respect your word.. Are you sure you want to do this? | ||
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*extends pinky slowly* I've been hurt by you before, please don't abuse my forgiveness. | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:48 loafery wrote: Wait a minute, so let me get this straight. There are 9 roles. 2 mafia 1 vt and 6 good roles. 6 good roles claim 3 claim vt. We lynch the 3 vt = win. 8 good roles claim 1 vt. We get 2 pairs of good roles we lynch all 4 of them = win. Am I wrong in thinking this? Am I missing something? If you think this game has 6 blue roles against 2 mafia you don't quite understand the balance of mafia. Or you're a scared spy who misread the OP and thinks he has to get a whole lot done to have a chance at winning... | ||
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Row 1: 65.2% (23 games) Row 2: 60.0% (20 games) Row 3: 40.7% (27 games) Col A: 33.3% (15 games) Col B: 53.6% (28 games) Col C: 40.0% (20 games) check out those winrates, the roleblocker for each team causes such a big % change I hope we have a jk | ||
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Not nervous, excited. | ||
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On October 07 2014 09:45 Superbia wrote: Fair enough. Any thoughts so far? Everyone is gonna be online when I'm not bored at work anymore is thought #1 | ||
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thought #3: the way the word thought is spelled it really weird. | ||
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EBWOP: The word thought is spelled | ||
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the OP doesn't mention it | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:18 loafery wrote: Yup everyone had a role and all we had to do was reveal our roles and i think it ended on day 2. Exactly why this guy is town. He wanted a free win. | ||
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abuse and dusts still need to make intro posts I think I'm gonna wait 'til everyone gets in here and gives me something to read. | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:36 Superbia wrote: I'm probably off soon, I'm expecting everyone to have said something by the time I wake up. Then I will point out scum and we'll lynch said scum.  | ||
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loafery: was that a mistaken quote and then a correction or do you really need him to explain his numbered post? On October 07 2014 14:29 dusts wrote: Good morning  => talks like real soviet spy ^^ anything else to add? Are you new to mafia or just new to TL? | ||
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On October 07 2014 15:14 Fecalfeast wrote: rad: I never called him confirmed town, I just said I was reading him town based on his reaction to his misinterpretation of the game setup. The only reason I even announced this is because I was reading him scummy for telling everyone to claim. this is all I really think about loaf On October 07 2014 16:24 abuse wrote: Calling yourself town and calling yourself confirmed town are two different things. I agree with you here, though. | ||
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abuse, I like the effort for sure but I'm not totally on board with how confidently you call loaf scum My main concern right now is that there have been 12 hours since the game started and still multiple people have <3 posts after their /in. I'd really like to have more to read from rad, breshke, dusts, elvis!, and the_zen_man when I wake up. | ||
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The push on loafery may not be a bad one, but the people jumping on the bandwagon with hardly any new reasoning are starting to give me a bad feeling. I will be back with actual analysis in a few hours, just had to get that out there. + Show Spoiler [META] + On October 08 2014 00:20 Superbia wrote: He went from confident to hesitant. Honestly I didn't really get to analyze people that much that game. If you're interested check it out yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er I'd like to point out that at some point during that game, I was confirmed town in a different mafia and totally threw the game. I was a little less than thrilled and my play was definitely affected | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote: Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote: On Superbia: I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me. Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone. 2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure. "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...) loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie. I really like this post but could you explain this last sentence? I don't think I'm reading it right. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote: FF how do you feel about loaf atm? I feel loaf may be a silly push right now. Yeah he said the words confirmed town but other than that I think people are making the evidence fit their assumptions. What are your thoughts on loaf? You called him towny, I called him towny but you still ask about him? | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote: "This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown." for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed. I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it... But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. You want to read him scummy but.... Will you elaborate on why you don't? | ||
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On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote: Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. People lumping super and I together is making me uneasy but I guess I made that bed myself. I never meant to make it sound like loaf is town, though I did use the word town. What I should have said, in hindsight, is 'I no longer read loafery scum based on his explanation of his misunderstanding.' I think this whole situation right now is a little scummy, not loafery himself. I am reading the people all jumping on loaf and wondering where the lurkers are, still. We need more than a few voices to find the scum or they will be content to hang back while we all argue over one person. That is to say, while the people pushing loaf may well be mafia, the people who aren't commenting at all are where I turn my suspicion for the moment. Superbia, who are you reading scum? You've asked me a couple loaded questions this game but I don't see you explaining yourself in much detail. You say you are getting reads from this discussion which is great but are you really content to just sit back and wait for someone to slip? Rad, anything else to add to the discussion of lurkers? I see you're thinking the same as I am regarding the low activity players but you've spent most of your posts discussing what other people are saying. Anything from your point of view to add? You mentioned superbia disliking the wagon, what does that tell when compared to the way he is playing? Anything? | ||
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On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote: People lumping super and I together is making me uneasy but I guess I made that bed myself. I never meant to make it sound like loaf is town, though I did use the word town. What I should have said, in hindsight, is 'I no longer read loafery scum based on his explanation of his misunderstanding.' I think this whole situation right now is a little scummy, not loafery himself. I am reading the people all jumping on loaf and wondering where the lurkers are, still. We need more than a few voices to find the scum or they will be content to hang back while we all argue over one person. That is to say, while the people pushing loaf may well be mafia, the people who aren't commenting at all are where I turn my suspicion for the moment. Superbia, who are you reading scum? You've asked me a couple loaded questions this game but I don't see you explaining yourself in much detail. You say you are getting reads from this discussion which is great but are you really content to just sit back and wait for someone to slip? Rad, anything else to add to the discussion of lurkers? I see you're thinking the same as I am regarding the low activity players but you've spent most of your posts discussing what other people are saying. Anything from your point of view to add? You mentioned superbia disliking the wagon, what does that tell when compared to the way he is playing? Anything? ebwop: "...what does that tell you when compared to..." | ||
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Here I was trying to get you to slip and you give me analysis like that. Let me have a quick look myself before I sheep you but that lie is quite glaring. | ||
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On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote: Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote: Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote: ff i'm actually not lumping both of you together in my mind if one of you turns out to be scum I highly doubt the other is as your play has been too similar to begin the day both opposing the push on loaf and not really pushing on anyone else. Having played with eachother before maybe scum ff thinks playing similar to town superbia will make him read you as town and vice versa. This isnt a 100% thing though just something i thought i'd share. I'll buy that for now. If only I knew what town superbia was like, I would even buy your idea of me trying to emulate him but alas, I know him only as scum. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote: Just vote, you can always retract your vote. inb4 you're just leading me on all over again. ##vote: The_zen_man | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote: Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon". But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm. Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting. What is with this post? Of all the things, you're call me a donkey for helping your case but being indecisive on a vote... | ||
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Wow that makes more sense. I was a little butt-upset | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote: What? That's more than just using the word town. That's straight up claiming he IS town. How are you so sure of his intentions? ##FoS Fecalfeast It tells me that he recognizes the wagon on loaf is sketchy as hell. I agree with his assessment. Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply? Nice find but again, I mistyped. I meant towny not definitive town. Should I do a full explanation of my thoughts and reasoning about loaf to clear this up? To summarize, I read him null and attempted to signify that by calling him town(y) after I saw him as scummy. When there is a person who straight-up lied to town and got called out for it, why are you ignoring him and targeting one of the only people who tried to stop the witch-hunt on loaf? I'm confused by your motivations for calling me out. You then go on to question super for trying to get people to lynch a liar. Believe me, I am reluctant to pressure with votes but even I can't deny that zen looks trashy right now. Maybe you should post your thoughts on a few people. I'm not one for list posts but even a brief write-up on zen, loaf and myself would be great I hardly know where you stand right now. | ||
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On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Nice find but again, I mistyped. I meant towny not definitive town. Should I do a full explanation of my thoughts and reasoning about loaf to clear this up? To summarize, I read him null and attempted to signify that by calling him town(y) after I saw him as scummy. When there is a person who straight-up lied to town and got called out for it, why are you ignoring him and targeting one of the only people who tried to stop the witch-hunt on loaf? I'm confused by your motivations for calling me out. You then go on to question super for trying to get people to lynch a liar. Believe me, I am reluctant to pressure with votes but even I can't deny that zen looks trashy right now. Maybe you should post your thoughts on a few people. I'm not one for list posts but even a brief write-up on zen, loaf and myself would be great I hardly know where you stand right now. EBWOP: "... lied to THE town..." before anyone thinks I'm calling someone confirmed town... | ||
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On October 08 2014 11:06 loafery wrote: yes you weren't proactive before anyone called you out. Then you make this claim on zen and immediately vote him as scum while not even waiting for his response. A bit too quick to rush into thing imo. Mafia hides. Gets called out. Makes claim with an arbitrary post on reasons I can't agree with. So scummy. I like your thought process and I like that you aren't afraid to express your thoughts but one person has a plain-as-day contradiction to answer for, and the other person pointed out the contradiction. Regardless of your feelings toward super, what do you think of his case against zen? If you think his case is flawed, explain that. If not, why do you think super is a bigger target than zen? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?user=dusts I would really like to see his(her) thoughts on the game. Hopefully more than a few hours before EoD. | ||
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On October 08 2014 11:26 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm here for 30 or so more minutes, then I wont be on until 06:00 GMT (+00:00) That changes to a different timezone than the one in my profile but I'll be here at 10pm PST (-08:00) | ||
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On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast See spoiler for breshke's definition of not explaining anything + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... I will be here before end of day and there is no difference, other than added pressure to make a post, between one vote and two votes this far before the deadline. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote: Just vote, you can always retract your vote. I am waiting for the man to post and you seriously come to the conclusion that I'm the best lynch target? Are you getting nervous or what? | ||
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On October 08 2014 15:41 Rad wrote: Fecal, what are your thoughts on dusts? What would you do if he came in last minute and voted with no reasoning? I think he will have to at this point and I think he is lurking like a mofo. I don't like lurkers and I actually stated this before... Who cares what I would do, why not worry about what is right now? | ||
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On October 08 2014 16:27 abuse wrote: EBWOP : First off, I like the push on Zen. It is why I asked Superbia what he thought of Zen's (previously was written as "my post" ) post, since it was 100% saying what my post said. You like the push on zen but you aren't voting for him? You voted loaf so quickly. | ||
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On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote: ##Unvote Vote:Fecalfeast My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by. Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted Please take a look at the filters of some other people in this game before you say I'm trying to cruise by. Cute tu-quoque though. I like the part where my vote is the reason you are pushing me but my defense of my vote is thrown back at me for defending myself. | ||
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Dusts: *tumbleweed* Rad:town, actively looking for more scum even while there's a wagon. Super:null/town, the big instigator of the wagon. No counter wagons and a rock solid argument. Why null/town and not town? Weird gut feelings that i can't explain. Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either. Elvis:scum/null, i hope he posts more, currently he has no vote and was only voting on loaf because he had pressure Breshke: scum, pretty similar story to zen-man, i think this is a really good person to look at after the flip, or even right now. I would but i have already screwed this post up many times. Thanks phone. Everyone else: null or i don't remember your posts | ||
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On October 09 2014 05:32 abuse wrote: Did you, like, even read any posts posted today? Elaborate or don't make posts like this. What did i say that is contrary to what has been posted? | ||
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On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote: In response to abuse's post which can be found here First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point. Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies". I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up. I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing. Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all? Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that. I was calling you scum before but this post is making me reconsider. First, though: The bolded section, if I'm reading this correctly, is saying that you looked at the game from a third party view and saw yourself and zen as the most scummy so voted for someone else(me)? Why are you looking at the game from another point of view if you are town? Please let me know if I read that incorrectly. | ||
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I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed. What bugs me about this post, is that he really likes this post, which basically trashes loafery, but still he reads loafery null. If he likes this post so much, why does he not let it influence his read on loaf in any way whatsoever? As well as the almost-blind-sheep of superbia's case. Fecalfeast - I have 3 questions for you. Let's imagine that null is not an option for answers. What do you think is the alignment of : Elvis, Rad, loafery. I liked the post because the poster was actually trying and putting effort into his post. I liked the post as evidence of Elvis! being town. What I didn't like was elvis unvoting just because he didn't think his target was going to get lynched. If you think someone is scum, it shouldn't matter what the rest of town is doing until there is a chance of a no-lynch. I read rad town even though he doesn't like me too much. He seems to be trying to make use of a busy schedule's limited time. Could be a story, though who knows. Loaf is null still. Yeah people have made decent arguments about him but I personally don't find things like assuming himself to be confirmed town as scummy as others seem to. | ||
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On October 09 2014 08:51 Breshke wrote: Sorry i didn't explain that very well. So elvis says "He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person. This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide." So if you look back i vote Zen after superbia prompting me to do so then fairly soon after change my vote to you FF. Let's pretend i'm Elvis thinking Breshke is mafia. He sees this vote and says he thinks its me jumping on voting on a town. So by this logic he thinks Zen is town. Why didn't he try and stop the lynch why didn't he even mention this anywhere else? Wouldn't the better assumption to come to at that point be that me and Zen were partners and i was getting worried about the vote on him going through. In fact im fairly sure this is what your reaction my change of vote was saying i was getting nervous. I realize this is probably poorly explained so if you have anymore questions about it feel free to ask. That actually makes some sense. I think you could definitely have been nervous mafia trying to find a safe town to lynch but that may be because you're trying to kill me. Elvis, I would also like to know how you rationalize calling zen town but doing nothing to stop his wagon. Yes, you pushed someone else but you also called zen mafia in that same post. Woah, hold the phone. On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote: I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline. I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: Breshke He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person. This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide. Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --.  loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above. The bolded statements don't make any sense for a couple reasons. 1)He actually only voted zen for a short time and then voted me, with a decent amount of explanation, even. 2)If he is voting zen for the reason that he knows he is not mafia, why did you still read zen as the second scummiest player? 2) (a)If you mean his vote on me was a vote on someone he knows isn't mafia, why am I only null? 3) Your whole post is basically based on him voting with no reasoning and yet doesn't mention once that his vote was changed multiple times. I dislike this post. | ||
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You say that his vote is a big reason for your scumread, Why didn't his vote seem to play into any of your other reads? | ||
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On October 09 2014 09:22 loafery wrote: well at least you think i'm town but coming from scum isn't really helpful is it?  | ||
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On October 09 2014 09:31 Elvis! wrote: will comment on the other things in a second. In the short notice (I only had like 20 Minutes for all the research but wanted to put a meaningful post. Real life fucks that stuff up sometimes. It's night still, take your time and make it a good post. Real life is lame but it's important sometimes. | ||
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On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote: Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2. I have to leave soon but I am waiting for this. | ||
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On October 09 2014 15:17 abuse wrote: Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard. What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself. Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care? Please do share, and make it good. Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff. So I spend the time to re-read the thread to see if I missed anything and get scumread for it? Nice. | ||
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I only missed the part where you asked me a question directly, as implied by my post where I said I missed your question. | ||
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At the point in time where I wrote that post, I was focused more on who to lynch, not who is town. Yes I said null and hardly wrote a line when you made a huge post. Did you expect a detailed writeup on everyone? I do not post well from phones, I meant the elvis part to be at the end of the post, after everyone else. I had only read his unvote post while I was making my big post (I refreshed my other tab on my phone to check if anyone posted.) Guess I formatted that wrong, I never noticed before. | ||
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I will spend more effort on reading the thread before I make posts from now on. | ||
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Good job town. Elvis gets 100 townpoints for being the only one to use night time properly and I get 100 scumpoints for sleeping in two days in a row. I was expecting the post to be abuse or breshke with their "later in the night" post... It's Evlis!? Why not post your thoughts while more town are alive, or while you're alive even? Please post them soon, so everyone can give input? | ||
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On October 07 2014 20:42 Breshke wrote: Superbia you have obviously played with FF before, i know its early but how do you think his game is going so far compared to your last game together? Already sets himself up to talk about me specifically. It's his 4th post in the game, including his /in On October 07 2014 21:54 Breshke wrote: So i also just want to get all my thoughts about Loaf down. At first his dumbtell made me really think he was towny then Calling himself confirmed towny really gave off bad vibes. Also loaf you say most games you played in were complicated having multiple power role setups so do you not read the OP in most of your games to better understand them? At the end of your post here it seems like you were about to give a read on abuse then kind of didn't. Would you mind teling me your thoughts on him? He then decides to join in on the loaf pressure with... the same thing abuse said. On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote: Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. When loaf pressure dies down, he decides to try again for me by saying the people calling him town are scummy. Which happens to be me and superbia. On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote: I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man "No, just join in on the zen man, it's an easy mislynch, focus on fecalfeast tomorrow or something" On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast What do I think of FecalFeast? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK OF FECALFEAST! On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote: ##Unvote Vote:Fecalfeast My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by. Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted "You can't just change your vote like that without explaining yourself!" also Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote lol | ||
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Are you kidding? You don't like that I want more town to give input on reads? You're banking on the idea that everyone will be here 30 mins before deadline | ||
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On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote: i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum. So how do you know it's not JK or doctor? | ||
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On October 10 2014 07:34 Superbia wrote: How do you know it's a vet? Could be a doctor or a JK. Do you have any thoughts since the end of day 1? | ||
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On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote: Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. I'm not sure what I make of someone who hasn't even read how the game works by Day 2 | ||
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At the time of posting I thought you assumed it had to be a vigilante but Do you really think mafia gets told why their target wasn't killed? That gives them so much information, they know their own setup so if they shoot someone and get back "He was vig so he didn't die" they know exactly which setup it is. ie if mafia has a roleblocker they know there is a jk and if they don't they know there's a tracker. Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds ridiculous. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:54 abuse wrote: 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out. You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself? What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448 On October 10 2014 18:04 abuse wrote: I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory? I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy. | ||
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On October 10 2014 20:08 Breshke wrote: Also Rad, Superbia and Loaf i really want to know your opinion on everything that has happened since end of D1. Fecal I know you think im mafia but your case is mostly centered around me trying to tunnel on you or attach myself is what you called it. I don't know how to show you this isn't true. I first asked superbia about you because i have played with him before and you two seemed pretty chummy and your play was almost very similar so i was interested in what he had to say about you. Ff whats your opinion on elvis? Why did you have superbia in your scum at the end of N1? Elvis is pretty towny to me. Because superbia was totally inactive after saying he would post later. I believe my list comes before he said he would be watching DOTA all night, though. I think this game is really hard right now and I'm afraid of lynching another towny in such a small setup so before anyone asks, that's why I haven't voted. | ||
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote: I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two. Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head. Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads? k, that's a little bit weird. | ||
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On October 10 2014 21:58 Elvis! wrote: Which leads to them knowing a lot about the setup. If there is a Roleblocker, only 2 scenarios are possible: Mafia Roleblocker Town Cop Town Doctor or 1-shot Bulletproof Townie Mafia Roleblocker Town Jailkeeper So they would know that there cannot be a Tracker. If they know there is no Roleblocker it can only be Town Cop Mafia Goon Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon Town Doctor Town Tracker So they would know that there cannot be a 1-shot Bulletproof Townie. How does talking about this amount of information not make sense? It's very relevant how the situation would be after roleclaims, and if it might have advantages for the town. Why do you refuse talking about all kinds of possible scenarios? It's not like there is an obvious answer to them. To repeat: Zen was not 100% scum for me at the time. If someone isn't 100%, which since this is the game of mafia is extremely rare to happen, he must always be available to be seen as townie. You don't want people to tunnel? Allow different perspectives. This is the most interesting thing you have said on the topic: This is exaclty what I did with Zen, getting him outside my tunnel and viewing as a weird, possible town. Now this for you is a reason to call me scum, even though you want people to do EXACTLY that with you. Whaaaaaaaaat? and Elvis with the assist. | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:20 Superbia wrote: No need for big posts, just explain your thought process behind this list: elvis used his time during night, abuse used his time during night but felt it was better used at the end, they both did work. Breshke looked scummy all game and you were doing nothing as well. You still are doing nothing, really. | ||
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I was here for a while and most of that time was dedicated to making a case on breshke. Out of the people who are less active (2-3 page filters) rad, breshke, loaf, and elvis, elvis has done the most work so he is town. Out of the others, I read breshke the most scum based on his entire filter, and loaf less scum. My scum read on you is different than these people. You seem to be poking at me like you did last game, except a lot harder. Almost as if you are thinking the same as breshke, even. | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:17 Superbia wrote: Lol, who are you mafia with? | ||
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I'm talking about now. You are poking at me now, even though before you were leaning me town. What has changed? | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I think he's doing nothing as well, to be honest. I thought I would get out my thoughts before the day post, in case I got killed. At the end it says "null or I can't think." I was here for a while and most of that time was dedicated to making a case on breshke. Out of the people who are less active (2-3 page filters) rad, breshke, loaf, and elvis, elvis has done the most work so he is town. Out of the others, I read breshke the most scum based on his entire filter, and loaf less scum. My scum read on you is different than these people. You seem to be poking at me like you did last game, except a lot harder. Almost as if you are thinking the same as breshke, even. Yeah I took night into account and weighed it heavily but I also look at entire filters. Again, am I that hard to understand, or are you doing this to get me mad? | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:56 Superbia wrote: Just wondering how Rad goes from top town to missing and I go from leaning town to pure scum. Rad did work early on, then went missing from the thread for a while and did much less work in his later posts causing me not to think of him at the time of my panic post. Reads change, obviously yours has when you said I was leaning town. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:01 Superbia wrote: And it was purely based on me being gone during the night, right? At least at the point during which you gave your list. Yeah, thought it might bring you back to the thread to do some work but it seems to have only succeeded in making you upset. If I had spent the time to write town leaning town null leaning scum scum and fill it in with everyone, I wouldn't have gotten it in before... I would have had a smaller chance of getting it in before the day post. My list was not all inclusive, definitive, or in order at the time of smashing it out on a keyboard. I like the response it got, though. Makes me think my list may have been accurate. | ||
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I said the word "might" putting you in the scum list also might get you to go crazy over being scumread. You're reinforcing my read with every post you make but at the TIME OF POSTING yes, I put you in the scum column to see how you would react to being put in the scum column, along with the fact that you did not post hardly at all during the night. Two things going through my head: 1. You have the biggest filter 2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words. If you have a real reason to think I'm scum, vote me. If not, I'm not going to argue over my panic list anymore. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:35 Superbia wrote: I said the word "might" putting you in the scum list also might get you to go crazy over being scumread. You're reinforcing my read with every post you make but at the TIME OF POSTING yes, I put you in the scum column to see how you would react to being put in the scum column, along with the fact that you did not post hardly at all during the night. Two things going through my head: 1. You have the biggest filter 2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words. If you have a real reason to think I'm scum, vote me. If not, I'm not going to argue over my panic list anymore. So let me get this perfectly straight FF: - It's almost EoN1. - You want to make a quick list because you think you're going to die (this is your mindset during the post). - You put me on the scum list because YOU WANT A REACTION?. How does this make sense when you think it's possible you're about to die? It only makes sense if you think you're going to be alive to follow up the next day. [/QUOTE] Okay, final word about that post since you seem so excited. If I die, people look at you and bring you out of hiding possibly. If I live, I get to see your reaction. I lived, so I can see how you respond and react accordingly. IF I HAD DIED, the people I wanted to look at would get looked at. See what I am saying? The word probably allows for exceptions. On October 11 2014 07:26 Breshke wrote: The problem is if we lynch wrong today and loaf gets modkilled we just straight up lose barring more PR magic. Why are you thinking about modkill scenarios with so long to go in the day? I will now read more into people's filters and give a well constructed read. Stand by. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: I'm not caught up and won't be until later. Specifically I haven't been able to analyze the big discussion surrounding Breshke and Elvis yet and have only been able to skim posts throughout the day. I've had a haarrrdd week of work with a deadline yesterday and lots of cleanup today so I really had to force myself to step back from the game a bit. I should have plenty of time this weekend to keep up. Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"? Why are you worried about loaf getting modkilled? What has happened to make you believe that he will? No, revealing that information early is ONLY good for scum. Why are you claiming that me voting for you is voting for town? Do you think you're considered confirmed town or something? You're one of 4 who lynched a town on d1. @Superbia What are your thoughts on abuse giving me town points for my "rage"? Specifically, his being vocal about it. Also, why haven't you voted for Fecal yet? ##Vote: Fecalfeast oh god damn... wtf is this? I'm not even gonna bother. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote: Okay before I start reading. Breshke, doyou still read me mafia? | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:23 Breshke wrote: I don't know fecal as i have said before im not sure which between the four that voted are probably mafia. I don't like how if you take out the lurkier people (superbia rad loaf), you have the least content. It doesn't feel like you were truly reading me as scum when you were calling me scum. That being said I want to see more from rad and superbia before i make my mind up on them. As indicated by my lack of a vote. My case is based on a lot of WIFOM stuff that I can't really justify basing a vote on. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote: I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible. Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles. And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention. I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? On October 08 2014 09:19 loafery wrote: Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town. And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me. On October 08 2014 09:45 loafery wrote: How would players reading me as town be scummy? On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote: just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? On October 09 2014 09:08 loafery wrote: so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game? On October 09 2014 09:22 loafery wrote: well at least you think i'm town but coming from scum isn't really helpful is it? I'll give you guys a hint: I didn't include the post where he said he was confirmed town. Side note on loaf, at this point in time, loaf had barely a 2 page filter where super was well into his third page. On October 08 2014 09:25 loafery wrote: you are awfully staying in the background and letting others do the work while you just ask questions and try to care about twhats going on. I have a scum read on you right now. Going to do a little more contextual reading but this is what I have so far. | ||
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On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote: i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum. This post drives me insane. There's no way a vet claiming is good. If it's a vet, mafia knows there is no doctor, and knows whether or not there is a JK based on their setup. A vet claiming means certain death for the vet, or a confirmation of all the roles in the game to mafia. Not only that but he is already thinking about best case scenario for scum? Oh man this filter irks me. ##vote:loafery Unless after I re-read breshke and find more dirt, my conspiracy theory can't stand on its own two feet. Loafery is my biggest scum right now and I think he should post and talk about how he thinks this game works. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote: FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay. Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it? Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later. I do not have time to just give a read on everyone. I have to take a foodsafe course early in the morning tomorrow. Give me a name and i will filter dive them. | ||
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There is no logical reason for me to call super scum right now. I was upset at him for nagging on my list but really he would have had an easier time trying to push breshke or rad if he were scum than to bother with my list. He led a push on a town but i was on that same wagon and stick to my read. If someone can come up with a better reason than "he was less active recently" i may change my mine but that's the best I have with regard to a case against him. Super is towny in my eyes at the moment but would like his input on loaf or breshke or rad by eod please I am going to bed now and will try very hard to be here before eod but it will most definitely be by phone. | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:34 Superbia wrote: Elvis are you willing to ride or die with Breshke being scum? On October 12 2014 05:43 Superbia wrote: This is a fucking disaster btw. Can't get any decent information like this. Put your votes on one of the following: Breskhe Elvis Rad and then when I decide to help him out. Elvis was super town because of his case on breshke who I was also scum reading before the end of N1, my town read post even contained a joke number of useless town points. I'm not saying I was joking nor am I taking back my town read on elvis at that time... Breshke made really good points on elvis but that doesn't make elvis scum. It just implies to me that if breshke is really town and can easily rebuff huge posts by elvis then elvis looks scummy as breshke, who he even went off pushing me, (the basis of my scum read on breshke) to push this guy when he tries to defend himself. Notice how I said if breshke flips scum. As in I want to kill breshke but if I am wrong, maybe I am wrong about elvis. You yourself called elvis scummy, but my reading the thread, coming to a new conclusion about someone and posting it while having no time to play... Is scummy. In fact I am confirmed scum and cop or tracker shouldn't even check me? What the hell, super. I'm excited for your knowledge drop, I really am. On October 12 2014 07:08 loafery wrote: holy moly forgot to vote sorry been busy with mid terms lately I'll try to be more active and vote. and somehow I'm more scummy tan this guy. I'm gonna watch WCS and wait for EoN like everyone else. I'm obviously wrong about night time if I'm the only one who thinks we should talk. 0-4 with me being the last mislynch will certainly be my quitting mafia forever lol | ||
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Abuse, rad, will you help me kill loaf and salvage this game? Or are you going to make my prediction of adding to my losing streak and lynch me, rad? | ||
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also this, please. Abuse, you're my only real town read right now and I'm scared you might be mafia too... | ||
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If nobody claims tracker with a check, do not massclaim. Not only do we have a decent chance to just see 5 vts claimed (remember mafia gets fake names to claim) but mafia will then know exactly who to kill if we manage to survive today with a proper lynch. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:58 Breshke wrote: If you are town this is terrible. You are just saying here you will never re evaluate. You arn't sure about anyone anymore but you have a scum read that you will ride to the grave i am not understanding you right now ff. If I'm town it's terrible to stay on my scumread? Yeah I'm a little upset at losing again but you think I wouldn't follow a lynch with everyone else? That'd be claiming scum. ALL TOWN has to be on one person at deadline or else we lose. Or the mafia decided to bus. I understand the rules of the game. Could you comment on loaf for me please? Everyone just points at my posts and nitpicks the language but never actually say anything about my reads or my cases. | ||
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If I don't push for my lynch target during the day and am forced to vote for someone else(a no-lynch is gg, too) who turns out town, I played poorly. Especially when loaf flips red and says "lol i afked and won as mafia, game is ez didn't even have to vote" loaf/breshke or loaf/rad imo | ||
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On October 13 2014 14:38 loafery wrote: I find it odd u guys think there is a definite tracker Super flipped vet, there are only two options. Jailkeeper, who doesn't provide vital information this game by claiming, and Tracker, who still ahs the potential to provide vital information this game. If you need help on why the jailkeeper shouldn't claim or how I know there are any two options, please re-read the OP. You'll actually be able to figure the entire game setup out by checking if your scumteam has a roleblocker or not. | ||
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On October 13 2014 14:15 Breshke wrote: My tracks are N1; Fecal Feast N2; Abuse Also ff i think you should realise that the lynch on superbia was probably to stop him from becoming confirmed town either by being vet or the jk/medic saying they used their power on him. I find it very interesting that you jump to the conclusion that it was done to frame you and bring it up that fast. This has been my thinking all N2. Saying it in thread before he died would only cause more WIFOM and that's not helpful to town. If neither super nor I died I was probably going to try to lynch him today :/ | ||
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On October 13 2014 14:52 Fecalfeast wrote: This has been my thinking all N2. Saying it in thread before he died would only cause more WIFOM and that's not helpful to town. If neither super nor I died I was probably going to try to lynch him today :/ also I never thought he was the vet, and mafia killing him after he was saved(they didn't get told he was vet, I presume) provides way more information than just killing someone else (possibly the doc/JK rather than who they saved) are you crazy? Mafia could have counterclaimed vet and put the mislynch up to a coinflip! Ugh getting called out for things that don't make sense... | ||
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On October 13 2014 15:43 loafery wrote: I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this? I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town. It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him. But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons. So, you are saying the scumteam is breshke/abuse, right? Sorry you don't say names and I smoke a lot of marijuana | ||
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If you are the real tracker and have a useful track, fucking claim it. If you are anything else keep quiet lest scum gains any advantage before we lynch scum. If tracker with no check keeps quiet and tracks the kill tonight after we lynch scum, we WIN THE GAME TOMORROW If the tracker claims he dies if we lynch scum, being no help at all and making not fear a jailkeeper. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:13 Breshke wrote: No sir, even as a VT i believe you get the notification saying you were role blocked so saying you were role blocked does not out your role. Claiming VT is like 5x worse than me saying I'm not the tracker, btw. At least there's ambiguity to what I am. You are now either VT or scum. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Claiming VT is like 5x worse than me saying I'm not the tracker, btw. At least there's ambiguity to what I am. You are now either VT or scum. You didn't claim VT. Again, marijuana. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:13 Breshke wrote: No sir, even as a VT i believe you get the notification saying you were role blocked so saying you were role blocked does not out your role. Not being notified eliminates the problem as well. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:22 loafery wrote: i know fecals town based on that post because it's what a townie would think and it's smart. bresh making excuses to say there is a definite tracker because no one claimed to be roleblocked is just absurd...lynch bresh now You know I'm town because you're scum. If you want to bus your teammate that works toward my plan but you have a lot of proving to do with not even voting. You could have helped kill breshke YESTERDAY | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:24 Breshke wrote: Nope you are misunderstanding my post entirely. What i got from loaf was that he was saying you would only know you are roleblocked if you are a PR i was saying that no you would infact know aswell if you are VT. Also you claiming not tracker could be claiming VT to mafia. If they don't have a role blocker they now know you are VT so i don't see why you did this because you yourself explained why it is bad. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote: even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked. your logic is flawed. also you are scum. Do you really? DO YOU GET A NOTIFICATION WHEN YOU ARE ROLEBLOCKED? | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:28 Breshke wrote: So if that's how you thought the role blocking thing worked why did you not ping abuse out for this post? If you're talking to me, I either skimmed it or didn't put it together at the time? What do you want from me? If you're not.... Whatever. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:29 abuse wrote: I was a VT in my previous game and I was roleblocked, and I claimed it. Look it up. disney princess mafia. again. this person is 100% scum. ##vote: loafery Hm, that's neat. Good job tracker for not claiming without a real check. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:32 loafery wrote: focus. scumteam is bresh and abuse. Don't think about what I could have done yesterday because it was out of my hands real life issues taking tests and shit. I'm sorry I wasn't present I could have changed the outcome probably but really I was busy and the deadline is like 6 am for me so it was not a tactic on my end to seem afk. I won't lie about my real life to win a game of mafia so I'm really sorry I wasn't there yesterday. post your current time with [.time][/.time] around it | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:36 abuse wrote: we would have someone claiming to be roleblocked or jailed today. On October 13 2014 16:32 Fecalfeast wrote: Seriously though if you were roleblocked please let us know, especially if you are vt. This only gives us the knowledge they have if you were roleblocked and claim it and gives town a lot more info. I'm getting really tired of people not reading my posts. Rad isn't here, it could be him, again... MIND=BLOWN as in it's unlikely | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:19 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not the tracker, I didn't track anybody and I think the hypolynch is stupid. It's lylo i don't care, lynch scum. Either the tracker doesn't have a track on a kill or there's a jailkeeper. Explain your logic behind pretending we're ALL THE TRACKER as much as you like. I am not the tracker, and tracked nobody. If you are the real tracker and have a useful track, fucking claim it. If you are anything else keep quiet lest scum gains any advantage before we lynch scum. If tracker with no check keeps quiet and tracks the kill tonight after we lynch scum, we WIN THE GAME TOMORROW If the tracker claims he dies if we lynch scum, being no help at all and making not fear a jailkeeper. YOU QUOTED FROM THIS POST ABUSE YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ IT Recap of post: I am not the tracker. I tracked nobody IF WE LYNCH SCUM and the UNCLAIMED tracker TRACKS MAFIA, we WIN TOMORROW if(lynch==scum){ intTracker(track) if(track==scum){ print "You win" } } | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:45 abuse wrote: Breshke, no. loafery is 100% scum now. he is pushing his case which he has none at all stronger than anything he has done this entire game. The question is who is the other scum, and it will be answered when EVERYONE FKING HYPOCLAIMS THEIR TRACKS. If you read any posts today, read breshke pushing me still, since day 1, with no evidence. Remember this tomorrow after we kill loaf. | ||
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I, the tracker, the rreall tracker, tracked: myself superbia Like I already said what I am if you know who the tracker is this is actually pointless. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:43 Breshke wrote: I am going to explode can you just wait until the mod confirms what we are saying until you push for your scum win. The thing is I can still see a team of rad and ff/maybe abuse What is your scumteam, and why? What I am getting is rad + me/abuse yet no vote, no case, no trying to stop people from voting loaf... | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:47 abuse wrote: Fecal, I did read. I don't care if you are not the tracker, I still need your hypoclaims to figure out if you are scum or not. And you are assuming all that on the fact that we lynch scum today and the tracker tracks the correct person tomorrow. While it is not incorrect, it is much too risky. Also, I don't see how HYPOCLAIMS FROM EVERYONE would stop your scenario from happening. We do not have to reveal who the real tracker is. I'm going to tell you right now - I already know who the tracker is. this is what i am referencing btw | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:56 Breshke wrote: Because i see the world doesn't mean i am living in it. I havn't voted yet because I am still waiting for a certain interaction and it would really help if Rad would come back to the thread anytime soon. Right know i 100% agree with the vote on loaf. Look how much more effort he is putting in know to push a lynch. He has been happy to sit back and watch us lynch towns until he needs to go for the win. Okay if rad didn't show up and would not be modkilled for whatever reason, who is on your scum team and who do you vote? I understand waiting to vote, I did it earlier. | ||
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Anyone who still has questions for me that, if left unanswered, will cause me to have to spend most of my time clearing up my apparently cryptic posts, please ask them now. I would rather spend my time hunting scum, not trying to save myself. | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:15 Breshke wrote: FF why did you feel the need to say that the kill on superbia was trying to frame you instead of waiting and actually seeing if someone would try and bring this up as a reason for you being scum. I feel like bringing it up makes you seem like a mafia trying to not die and not bringing it up could have caused you to get an easy mafia read. Before you freak out, im not necessarily reading you scum. Towns can do scummy stuff as well. It probably could have worked that way but the way I see it, mafia will have to improvise rather than use the ideas they had in their QT. I'm not trying to freak out at people I just dislike losing. | ||
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Loaf, look at breshke and start bussing him hard. also Rad, come on buddy. Loaf is posting more than you. | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:35 abuse wrote: Im hoping thanksgiving does not mean that you people will be away the entire time. don't really know how seriously you people take it as we do not have thanksgiving here. Otherwise I'd like to ask the mods to increase the deadline by 24h due to thanksgiving. Canadian Thanksgiving. Not sure how many canadians are in this game. | ||
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Abuse are you the tracker or not and if you now know who is mafia because rad posted (I still think it's loaf especially after he called the scumteam before we had confirmation) please tell us. Waiting is stupid when we have all this time to discuss the other scum; are you waiting in case the real tracker claims? This will probably be my only multiple-line post as I am in bed but will be doing family dinner stuff all day. (ie. checking my phone and reading the thread but having people call me out for being on my phone before I can post anything meaningful) | ||
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Loaf Breshke Post thoughts and hopefully a vote. We. All. Need. To. Vote. The. Same. Person. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote: why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed. You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons. I am a fatty and have rly big thumbs so hitting that tiny little quote button is hard but I just know someone will say "where did loaf call the setup?" because everyone nitpicks my posts. | ||
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On October 13 2014 20:22 loafery wrote: Rad ff vote breshke breshke and abuse arent going to change their votes because they know i know they are scum. If u want a day 4 vote breshke. Those two are only concerned about lynching only me when they should be thonking about the second mafia. If I die town loses the game. I sometimes hate mafia when you have to convince other players i guess thats part of ur skill but they are scum just read my initial post claiming them scum. Mafia are in a better position right now. If one townie votes wrong 2 scum can just bandwagon that vote at the end so plz vote bresh if ur town. We cant have split votes today. Whether or not it's loaf who said this I can't stress how important it is. If any single town player votes against the other town players, mafia can switch votes at the last second and have a 3-2 majority, or force a no-lynch even if town is split onto BOTH MAFIA. Mafia has the advantage tonight. Everyone needs to focus and I wish I could help more in the next 12 hours but here's my current lynch list: + Show Spoiler [disclaimer] + this list is subject to change based on evidence and posts provided in the future, or even based on things posted while composing this message. This list is in no way intended to be taken as fact, is not provided with a guarantee of 100% certainty and may or may not have ulterior motives behind the placements of players it contains. loaf breshke rad abuse It seems nobody is here but these are my thoughts for now. I really should shower. | ||
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What? Run that by me one more time? Would I not be pushing you and helping. It looked to me like there was a lot of easy pressure on you so I could hop on and help loaf go for the win, oh wait no it didn't because I'm not scum and didn't push you... That makes me scum by association. What are you saying bresh? | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:33 loafery wrote: Bresh scumslip Lets see how he talks his way out of it first but uh... lol | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:38 loafery wrote: What excuse will he come up with now i wonder Give it time. We still have time. I'm a little confused actually. Give me time too... | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:02 Breshke wrote: Yes loaf has been hardly active all game and then know seems convinced that it is me and abuse. He has even gone as far to imply that if we lynch abuse today we have to make sure to lynch me tomorrow. This was really strange to me because why didn't he say this to you fecal about lynching abuse tomorrow. You obviously had a town read on abuse yet he wasn't thinking about tomorrow at all when trying to get people to vote on me. It also would have looked extremely weird if you started pushing on me since you had already stated a 100% read on loaf so you would have been voting alongside your 100% scum. Yes it was mainly a scum by association, whats wrong with this how is it a scumtell quit the bullshit scum has partners and will act differently towards them. Obviously I am not 100% about it. I'm not even 100% about being real | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:34 Breshke wrote: Fecal what is wrong with what i just said there? Are you serious right now? | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:47 abuse wrote: Fecal, I did read. I don't care if you are not the tracker, I still need your hypoclaims to figure out if you are scum or not. And you are assuming all that on the fact that we lynch scum today and the tracker tracks the correct person tomorrow. While it is not incorrect, it is much too risky. Also, I don't see how HYPOCLAIMS FROM EVERYONE would stop your scenario from happening. We do not have to reveal who the real tracker is. I'm going to tell you right now - I already know who the tracker is. Was this or was this not a lie/bait? | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:43 abuse wrote: The reason fecal is town is because rad and loaf are scum. What else do you want me to see? what r u doin abuse abuse stahp | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:28 abuse wrote: *continuation* Which is also why I am calling him stupid, and not scum anymore (after breshke claimed to not be tracker). Because he is town in my book, but is pushing the wrong wagon forward, and we might lose because of it. Well we all have to vote the same person or it's all screwed anyway. mafia wins if any 1 of the 3 town are split | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:29 abuse wrote: As I said, that read fell apart when breshke claimed to not be tracker. That statement cleared Rad. See below: Fecalfeast wat r u doin Fecalfeast read... | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:34 Rad wrote: I'm too tired to continue with this tonight. Lynch is in 12+ hours and I'll try my hardest to be keeping up when I can (in and out for about 5 hours before the lynch hopefully). I'm not saying anything more about the tracker nonsense abuse has created as a non-red track is useless and anyone could just claim tracker at this point. Anymore talk about tracker that isn't talking about a RED hit is scummy as fuck because it puts the tracker in danger even if we do lynch scum today. My vote stays. If you are tracker and you don't hop on the main wagon by eod you are donkey-est tracker NA 2014 | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:40 abuse wrote: here we go again. Is there like a single day/night phase where you have not said something like this? Sure, go off, don't pay much attention to this, this is like literally the turning point to us losing or not. To be fair at best he's pacific time which is 1:40am, eastern is 4:40am | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:43 abuse wrote: To be not fair, he should have been here much earlier than midnight then. Agreed | ||
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Thus dusts modkill without a replacement really helped us after we shot super N1 | ||
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GG rad, you were the rational anchor for my ship of plans. | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:09 abuse wrote: You two really did play well. Read the entire scum QT. We were disgustingly unlucky to have dusts and loaf in the game though Loaf was literally the key player at the end of the game, and he came, said complete bs, and then bailed. Ugh. Most of my thoughts were that rad has to be tracker if it's not loaf, and if it is loaf, then fk it, I don't even feel bad for lynching him and losing the entire game, because of how he played. Oh wells. Probably my last game of mafia. Don't think this is for me :3 I lost my first 3 games as town and, even though I embellished the sentiment in this game, I was ready to quit mafia too. Its really fun ater you really get a feel for how people play. Play another newbie game if you can and see what it's like playing a newbie game with a little more experience than the newcomers. I would hate to see someone quit mafia because of donkeys | ||
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Ego deflated. Pointers/tips from any scum veterans in the house? | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:24 loafery wrote: Well i had fun guys in essence i lost that game didnt have a red check either and the ones i checked super and and rad came back as null. Funny how the most townie players were scum. Well played scumteam. You were my MVP, don't worry. ♥ | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:46 Superbia wrote: G_G scum. :D pinkie promise! | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:05 Superbia wrote: Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me? be on my team next time | ||
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I'm da bess | ||
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3+4=7 | ||
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