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Wow I can't believe you ninja'd me and made a better post than me about breshke
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Super, Loaf, Rad, Breshke... Any input?
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That seems weird to me... Is the idea of having to decipher a read from the kill so dreadful that having an extra set of town eyes on everyone's thoughts isn't worth it?
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If you really thought that, you should have said something, rather than post your post and then criticize me for wanting activity.
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omg before deadline if I die:
town
elvis
abuse
scum
breshke
super
everyone else null or i can't think
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I have to drive now be back in an hour or two
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On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote:
i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.
So how do you know it's not JK or doctor?
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On October 10 2014 07:34 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote:
i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum. How do you know it's a vet? Could be a doctor or a JK.
Do you have any thoughts since the end of day 1?
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abuse do you buy breshke's response to your post?
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On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Wow. That answer. On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play.
I'm not sure what I make of someone who hasn't even read how the game works by Day 2
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On October 10 2014 17:07 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 16:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Wow. That answer. On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. I'm not sure what I make of someone who hasn't even read how the game works by Day 2 clarify?
At the time of posting I thought you assumed it had to be a vigilante
but
Do you really think mafia gets told why their target wasn't killed? That gives them so much information, they know their own setup so if they shoot someone and get back "He was vig so he didn't die" they know exactly which setup it is.
ie if mafia has a roleblocker they know there is a jk and if they don't they know there's a tracker. Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds ridiculous.
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On October 10 2014 17:54 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again. First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion. You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there? When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you. About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here. Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.) 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out.
You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself?
What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him?
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Sorry, I blame the marijuana. I totally mistyped vig instead of vet. No vig this game...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448
On October 10 2014 18:04 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself?
What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory?
I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy.
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I'm here I just have to catch up on all 16 of these posts.
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On October 10 2014 20:08 Breshke wrote:
Also Rad, Superbia and Loaf i really want to know your opinion on everything that has happened since end of D1. Fecal I know you think im mafia but your case is mostly centered around me trying to tunnel on you or attach myself is what you called it. I don't know how to show you this isn't true. I first asked superbia about you because i have played with him before and you two seemed pretty chummy and your play was almost very similar so i was interested in what he had to say about you.
Ff whats your opinion on elvis? Why did you have superbia in your scum at the end of N1?
Elvis is pretty towny to me.
Because superbia was totally inactive after saying he would post later. I believe my list comes before he said he would be watching DOTA all night, though.
I think this game is really hard right now and I'm afraid of lynching another towny in such a small setup so before anyone asks, that's why I haven't voted.
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum. I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two. Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head. Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
k, that's a little bit weird.
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Hullo super. I think you should post a lot more as unless we get another lucky JK/Doc save we're boned. You watched mad dota last night, are you all caught up? Why not give your thoughts on the game?
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