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On September 05 2014 00:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 14:42 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:37 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:30 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:28 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.
I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. agree with gobble, not sylencia. Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? This post is really townie. It's not what he's saying, but it's the format of it. Sloosh answers a question and gives his opinion. He takes a hard stance and then he asks questions. Yeah, this is easy to replicate, but it just gives me good feels
what question does he answer?
Town reads easy for scum to make. And this is superficial. hardly a hard stance.
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On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior.
???
hes saying his reads?
##unvote
##vote Koshi
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On September 05 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote
##vote Koshi
No -- he's saying he thinks that person x is trying to say _____.
Yes, it's a read, but it's not a read. It's not "i think he's town because i think he's doing such-and-such to generate conversation". He's just saying "I think that this person thinks this because he's doing that"
Yes, this post is confusing. Just read Gooble's posts to understand what i'm trying to say
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On September 05 2014 00:50 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote
##vote Koshi No -- he's saying he thinks that person x is trying to say _____. Yes, it's a read, but it's not a read. It's not "i think he's town because i think he's doing such-and-such to generate conversation". He's just saying "I think that this person thinks this because he's doing that" Yes, this post is confusing. Just read Gooble's posts to understand what i'm trying to say
It seems you don't like how my reads are presented. You are entitled to your opinion. And I don't care.
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On September 05 2014 00:54 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:50 IAmRobik wrote:On September 05 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote
##vote Koshi No -- he's saying he thinks that person x is trying to say _____. Yes, it's a read, but it's not a read. It's not "i think he's town because i think he's doing such-and-such to generate conversation". He's just saying "I think that this person thinks this because he's doing that" Yes, this post is confusing. Just read Gooble's posts to understand what i'm trying to say It seems you don't like how my reads are presented. You are entitled to your opinion. And I don't care.
Those aren't reads. You're imagining people's thoughts instead of waiting for them to give them themselves. It's fucking weird.
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im dying here robik.
dying of laughter.
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The Angel vote is a plurality vote. Also no dead players can communicate with any living players
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On September 04 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.
I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. Explain the bolded. They gave bad advice and/or didn't read the setup and certainly didn't help finding mafia. Also explain how setup discussion is townish? If there was a way to break the setup this setup would not exist. You can't gain anything if you discuss the setup before D3.
There are things you can do in this setup to gain an advantage that aren't necessarily breaking the setup. For instance, in Neat & Tidy you could have suggested possible vig shots, and it would be good advice even though it doesn't break anything. Same here - from what I see gobbleygook and Sylencia discussed how the town roles could be best used. Regardless of the objective quality of their plans, it's their efforts in trying to help town through setup means that I'm reading townish.
From Ver's How to Improve Analysis
On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote:
As for plans, you don't always need one but there are many successful and poor plans that have been discussed and used over the past several games. More than the actual plan itself, the planning stage is more important as a mechanism to get useful information about people that you would not otherwise see. After all, the main contributors to the plan this game (not surprisingly at all), were entirely innocent! In addition, several mafia stood out as trying to appear 'supportive' of the plan while not making any real contributions to it.
I'm not promoting setup talk in the sense of "hey I'm pretty sure there's a way to break this setup let's do that". But I'm not against setup talk in the sense of "oh I can get some reads on these people doing setup talk". Which is where my gobbleygook and Sylencia townish reads are stemming from - not that their thoughts help break the setup, but the way that they contribute their thoughts look like they are trying to help town.
Now notice this. I've called these two people townish several times over now. Here's a good place for discussion. If you think these guys are scum, let us know! And don't just say "I think they are scum". Compile the posts that stick out the most and present them. If you want, to me specifically. That way I am put into a position where I am responsible for my stance. If you think I'm scum making up easy town reads, show that they should actually be scum reads and that I'm making up fluff.
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On September 04 2014 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-
Not true. Sloosh is just mucking about asking weirdass questions that still hasnt lead to anything. How is him saying that nothing more can be discussed about setup and then encouraging discussion about setup a good thing??? Where am I cherry picking instead of not bothering to post irrelevant nonsense? Show nested quote +
I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place.
Why is calling someone scum without reasoning objectively scummy? I explained it eventually. Do you disagree with my read on Koshi? gobble, what do you read someone like him?
Oats, are you a transplant or are you a Singapore native? Seems like you want to ask "how do you erad someone like him?"
I'm not making fun of you here...if english is your native tongue, then this is really scummy, because you wanted to ask a different question that started with what, but then you revised it at some point.
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On September 05 2014 01:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
im dying here robik.
dying of laughter.
You disagree?
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On September 05 2014 01:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.
I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. Explain the bolded. They gave bad advice and/or didn't read the setup and certainly didn't help finding mafia. Also explain how setup discussion is townish? If there was a way to break the setup this setup would not exist. You can't gain anything if you discuss the setup before D3. There are things you can do in this setup to gain an advantage that aren't necessarily breaking the setup. For instance, in Neat & Tidy you could have suggested possible vig shots, and it would be good advice even though it doesn't break anything. Same here - from what I see gobbleygook and Sylencia discussed how the town roles could be best used. Regardless of the objective quality of their plans, it's their efforts in trying to help town through setup means that I'm reading townish. From Ver's How to Improve Analysis Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote:
As for plans, you don't always need one but there are many successful and poor plans that have been discussed and used over the past several games. More than the actual plan itself, the planning stage is more important as a mechanism to get useful information about people that you would not otherwise see. After all, the main contributors to the plan this game (not surprisingly at all), were entirely innocent! In addition, several mafia stood out as trying to appear 'supportive' of the plan while not making any real contributions to it.
I'm not promoting setup talk in the sense of "hey I'm pretty sure there's a way to break this setup let's do that". But I'm not against setup talk in the sense of "oh I can get some reads on these people doing setup talk". Which is where my gobbleygook and Sylencia townish reads are stemming from - not that their thoughts help break the setup, but the way that they contribute their thoughts look like they are trying to help town. Now notice this. I've called these two people townish several times over now. Here's a good place for discussion. If you think these guys are scum, let us know! And don't just say "I think they are scum". Compile the posts that stick out the most and present them. If you want, to me specifically. That way I am put into a position where I am responsible for my stance. If you think I'm scum making up easy town reads, show that they should actually be scum reads and that I'm making up fluff.
Sloosh -- do me a favor -- STOP FUCKING TALKINGA BOUT SYLENCIA AND GOBBLE'S EARLY GAME. NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. MOVE THE FUCK ON
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On September 05 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote
##vote Koshi
Why are you voting me Oats?
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I meant how instead of what, and I was referring to this post.
Like how gobble reads someone who posted 3 posts one line each.
On September 04 2014 21:17 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote:
Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture.
Null:
yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it
damdred - 1 post
rayn - 1 post
lonemeow - not in yet
I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-
IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble
Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence.
Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. I'm amazed that you are null reading the person who has posted nothing but 'i think koshi is scum' and 'still think hes scum'. I think it's very weird that yamato would bother to come in, make an unsubstantiated post, and then disappear. Clearly he had the time to post, but his effort doesn't show it.
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On September 05 2014 01:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote
##vote Koshi Why are you voting me Oats?
On September 04 2014 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 08:37 Koshi wrote:
##HolyGrail: geript
I leave this thread in your capable hands. This right here. Feels so much like scum knowing who's town. And making the least suspicious vote for the holy grail. Also he didn't vote for himself or have any intention of voting for himself. The optimal play as town is ensuring you get the items. Koshi does not care about that. He cares about not drawing suspicion to himself by voting himself. Wrong focus. Scum. Lynch
On September 04 2014 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote:On September 04 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote:
I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts.
•Oatsmaster only because ritoky
•gobbledydook
•IAmRobik
•geript
•slOosh
•ritoky why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum? SlOosh because he posts things. He is trying to figure the game out. Because I feel that this list was worth posting. prove the sloosh thing.
On September 04 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote:
I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts.
•Oatsmaster only because ritoky
•gobbledydook
•IAmRobik
•geript
•slOosh
•ritoky why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum?
On September 04 2014 22:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:On September 04 2014 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote:On September 04 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote:
I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts.
•Oatsmaster only because ritoky
•gobbledydook
•IAmRobik
•geript
•slOosh
•ritoky why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum? SlOosh because he posts things. He is trying to figure the game out. Because I feel that this list was worth posting. prove the sloosh thing. Open filter, look at how many names he talks about, look at the lenght of his bigger posts, look at content of those posts. Verdict is do not lynch. sick analysis bro. post length, name count = town right?
Hey LM where did you go? I wanna talk to you.
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OK -- just filtered dove Oats real quick, because I thought I might catch him on something, but everything that he's posting/posted makes a lot of logical sense. He can be town.
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Sure thing Robik, just clarifying questions people have about me and setup stuffs.
On September 05 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 14:50 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:42 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:37 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:30 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:28 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.
I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. agree with gobble, not sylencia. Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing. i also don't really think it yields much alignment indicative information unless someone is quite obviously intentionally feeding a bad line of play to everyone else. something which i would like to believe almost everyone who plays on these forums would be smart enough not to do as mafia. but i have seen and done a lot of stupid stuff so i guess nothing is outside of the realm of possibility. i think syl is scummy right now because all he has talked about is setup, when challenged he got whiny and defensive, and he claimed to not have time and spent what he had in defense rather than actually trying to find scum in any way. conversely, gobble faced basically the exact same challenges and just plodded on ahead. plus i liked his vehement stance against robik's suggestion to mass claim in angel thread. if he were mafia i don't think he would come out with that strong of a sentiment against it that quickly. I like the majority of this post, until the red. I think it's still a town!ritoky post -- although i don't think i've seen a ritoky mafia game, but the last sentence still sucks because it's a shitty shitty conclusion to draw.
What's wrong with the red part? I think it's very reasonable and I agree with him.
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On September 05 2014 01:32 slOosh wrote:Sure thing Robik, just clarifying questions people have about me and setup stuffs. Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote:On September 04 2014 14:50 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:42 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:37 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:30 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2014 14:28 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote:
Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down.
I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. agree with gobble, not sylencia. Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing. i also don't really think it yields much alignment indicative information unless someone is quite obviously intentionally feeding a bad line of play to everyone else. something which i would like to believe almost everyone who plays on these forums would be smart enough not to do as mafia. but i have seen and done a lot of stupid stuff so i guess nothing is outside of the realm of possibility. i think syl is scummy right now because all he has talked about is setup, when challenged he got whiny and defensive, and he claimed to not have time and spent what he had in defense rather than actually trying to find scum in any way. conversely, gobble faced basically the exact same challenges and just plodded on ahead. plus i liked his vehement stance against robik's suggestion to mass claim in angel thread. if he were mafia i don't think he would come out with that strong of a sentiment against it that quickly. I like the majority of this post, until the red. I think it's still a town!ritoky post -- although i don't think i've seen a ritoky mafia game, but the last sentence still sucks because it's a shitty shitty conclusion to draw. What's wrong with the red part? I think it's very reasonable and I agree with him.
It's crap. It's "easy" analysis and it's not even correct analysis. Both geript and I came to the same conclusion about it -- even though we arrived at it hours/pages/etc apart.
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Man sloosh, is there a reason why you ask these seemingly random questions to seemingly random people?
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Why not pick something more relevant if you are gonna pick 1 thing to talk about. Or pick someone that is controversial to talk about or to.
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oats, I know you had a scum read on sloosh earlier, and possibly still do, but why didn't you question Koshi on why he thinks I'm town. I don't think anyone had town-read me at that point, and he was the first one to do so (and he's right in doing it), but I just don't quite see why you don't question him about that.
I hate posts like the one I'm making, because I do think you're town and I guess it's kinda pointless to question you if I think you're town, but just entertain me (and hopefully solidify that my read is correct)
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