On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Talking about missions is bad, also dont do it.
Obi, why did you vote for bunnies at the start of the game?
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
I think you're wrong on point one if someone is allowed to do weird ass things as mafia because people aren't thinking about missions then mafia has an easier time. Plus if we are bringing up the missions and one of us actually gets it right even if we don't catch a mafia immediately from it they still could be very nervous about posting just in general or meeting the mission and it could become more awkward (read easier for us to catch) for them to accomplish it. We might as well talk about something unique to the game it would be like not talking about the cell's in cell mafia or the button in catastrophe.
I don't like the mindset of "ignore the missions" to me its like "Lets just be quiet about something WE KNOW MAFIA IS DOING and let everyone ponder it individually vs collectively"
Your previous post about batsnacks reads from one post is 100% right anyone getting a read off that is silly. As far as I was concerned as of last night batsnacks hadn't posted.
If mafia does weird ass things they're still doing weird ass things, regardless of us thinking about the missions.
Bleh I agree on principal but my wording was bad. Something that may not seem weird normally in this game might be a mission. I'm going to keep talking about them because its basically a key clue that we have this game that if we don't use we're just hurting ourselves and making mafia play as normal. Like earlier imagine if the mission was to change votes at EoD or something silly like that and we decided after 1 hour prior to deadline no vote switches were to happen. Mafia would be petrified to make a change because it would make them look not townie. They'd have to contrive something and a simple vote switch at EoD would suddenly become a huge chore to them and without the discussion something like that would go unnoticed most likely or be written off.
What about templar making a long post makes him scummy to you?
I think playing out of the ordinary to make missions fail can also hurt town. Especially if mafia has a "good" idea to stop a potential mission that might make us play suboptimal. I just don't like the idea of making big changes to our play for the off chance of figuring out a mission.
What makes him scummy to me is that he made the long post focusing only on one person and then only coming to a soft conclusion like that.
I can agree to the first point there but that would require some VERY bold mafia and I think that narrows the pool of mafia considerably in the game if that was to happen.
I didn't like the point about him coming to that conclusion after the long post. Did you see my point about him also not giving him a newbie boost despite commenting on the fact that he talked about the bonus he was getting maybe being too large? What are your thoughts on that?
I agree that it would require bold mafia play. I don't think it would narrow down the pool of mafia very much, though.
The newbie bonus part is odd, yes. If he fears that the newbie bonus he's giving is too large it should have some kind of influence on the read.
Really? I can think of about 3-4 people in the game who might be able to pull that off successfully although it wouldn't account for partners but would require one of them.
He is playing directly too a bunch of mafia stereotypes.
1) Lurking This post contains his entire filter
2)Complaining about the thread but doing nothing at all to fix it. He makes this post then bails out for hours!
On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess
3)Poking in to prod at an easy target that was already under thread suspicion at the time.
On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn...
4)Defends instead of pushing scum.
On September 03 2014 02:31 Micchan wrote: Im not lurking yesterday ...just after i made my first post something happened and i need to go thats just it
This last point is the weakest one as its not a very hard defense but its literally 1/3rd of his filter. I believe I'm the only one voting on him currently this needs to change he deserves pressure for this type of posting.
On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote: The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted.
##unvote
@tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan?
On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess
Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread.
I didn't even see this post tbh..... thats really weird.
##unvote
##Vote: Micchan
Hai fix the mess please.
I realized that afterwards lol
Oh its a voting thread well dammit. Will update.
I think that his actions are scummy easy to find or not if he plays like that its scummy. Are you telling me you think that what he has done is townie?
Bleh hit post instead of preview cause I thought I messed up the quote. To continue.
Last game Yamato wrote off "GB as too scummy to be scum" low and behold GB flipped scum at the end game and yamato miss hammered d1 (was palmars crazy witch game so like day 2 lylo) So I'm not going to let someone by just because they were scummy and it was obvious.
On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote: The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted.
##unvote
@tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan?
On September 02 2014 12:18 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess
Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread.
I didn't even see this post tbh..... thats really weird.
##unvote
##Vote: Micchan
Hai fix the mess please.
I realized that afterwards lol
Oh its a voting thread well dammit. Will update.
I think that his actions are scummy easy to find or not if he plays like that its scummy. Are you telling me you think that what he has done is townie?
IF not you should vote for him.
None of micchans posts have made me think anything about his alignment. I do think he is probably the easiest target right now though, right ahead of 3d12 who you also scum read.
Do you agree that the points I made are what scum does? If not what about them seems town?
Also what makes you so sure that Micchan and 3d12 are both town?
Marry: No one yet although I got my eyes on Vivax and Kush to see if they might let me put a ring on it.
Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kush - Initially he seemed to actually give a shit (thinking of Heavy Weight Game/World Cup style of Kush) Which got me all happy in the pants would love to see more though for now he can get it.
Oats - I have you in bang for now your initial entrance seemed townie and different from Palmar's witch game. I would love to hear more of what you have to say about my Micchan case and get some interactions with you.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
3d12 - Your apologetic tone I disagree with batsnacks that it is mainly a townie view point. You agreeing with Damdred felt like an attempt at buddying as well which I don't care for. I understand your new but I haven't gotten the newbie town vibe from you. Also the association with Templar is scummy to me as I pointed out above.
27nb - I think you overreacted to my trolly call out on you as well as Obi's vote and the post before you left where you said "Good luck making me look scummy day 1" felt REALLY weird to me. I think that your amount of contribution is very low for a town!bunnies. This seems a lot like your play when we were mafia in Cell Mafia II.
Null - The rest of you not on the list honestly don't have a strong feeling about
Batsnacks first post was useless and the questioning of my motives on Micchan seems townie but I disagree with your logic completely so hard for me to see it from a town mindset but the act of doing it is a little townie.
Damdred/Kita/Obi - I don't have anything substantial on you guys as of yet.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
I just went to the front page to find a voting thread for this game and don't see it or at least the link isn't working.... am I slow in the head or is there no voting thread?
On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote: The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted.
##unvote
@tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan?
On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess
Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread.
I didn't even see this post tbh..... thats really weird.
##unvote
##Vote: Micchan
Hai fix the mess please.
Oh I read this as if there was a thread seeing now that was wrong.
Back from a long break I was reading your filter on lunch Templar and I wanted to tell you that this post made me chuckle way too much while eating. I think I must have just skimmed it earlier when reading through the thread.
On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn...
On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote: List post time.
Mostly Townish
Tehpoofter - Wouldn't look into on day one due to activity. Generally agreeable.
Vivax is an incredibly lazy scum from my experience, which isn't on par from what we've seen so far, which makes me lean town. He did pick up a spot where templar seemed to change opinions about myself, which shows he is reading. Wouldn't lynch.
mderg - This is kinda silly but I'm leaning town due to "I thought a bit about how to deal with missions". The mafia team obviously wouldn't think about how to deal with the missions. It's always possible that he is mafia pretending to think about them to throw us off, but I'm not leaning that way right now.
Damdred - "I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the Eo" This quote shows interest in generating a plan, which is generally townie thing to say. Again, probably a silly thing to make a read off of, but he would have to look pretty bad the second half of the day to consider lynching.
batsnacks - "I don't know who are mafia yet" is generally something a townie will say earlier on in my opinion. Need more content.
The_Templar - Townie....I think.
obi does seem just as....blunt I suppose I'm look for....in the past games that I looked through as both alignments. I don't have a great feel one way or the other here.
Scummyish
oats is flying under the radar, which I associate with the last time he was scum that we played together. Effort seems suspect based on mentioning how he can't remember certain details multiple times. His posts make me think he has read the last 3-5 posts in the thread, picked one of them to reply to and moved on.
kush is someone I usually think is scum. Whenever I look through his past games, as soon as I think I've found a pattern, he flips the opposite alignment and I need to throw the idea out the window. His speculation about templar having to post a "long post" as a mission was really poor and I don't see that as something a town player sees as likely so I have him closer to mafia than town right now, but I'd probably want to hear more opinions from others about his overall play so far.
Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now.
I want to reread 3d since there were a bunch of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way, but I want to avoid the confirmation bias. I've ignored bunnies for the most part so I will reread her as well. I remember that she was commenting about a few things way past it being relevant, but that's about it.
I disagree with some of your reads my main question to you is why does it seem like a bunch of your reads come from early in the thread. (I realize its relatively short thread but still) Like your read on kush comes from his 4th post. I feel like hes given a good amount since then so it concerns me thats where your scum read is coming from.
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.
Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game) Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?
So hes not making a difference at all? Interesting you find that a townie quality?
I think that the way you talked about 3d12 was really awkward. The tone of it sounded like you didn't truly believe what you were saying. Like the read was superficial to me I can't really express what I'm saying well but it didn't feel like you were all there or behind the read.
As for your play if you have only played scum and I see similar tendencies to your previous games where you were scum before. I will concede that it may just be since I've only seen you as scum seeing your town game might have some parts of it that appear as your scum game but you must understand from my pov I have no clue if you're town or mafia so if I see red flags from a scum game I've seen I most certainly will call that out.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote: [quote]
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So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote: [quote]
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything?
that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.
If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be?
probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post.
I think its scummy that you're saying you're giving him newbie passes and still would lean slightly green on him (the same read) if he wasn't a newbie. Wouldn't your newbie passes inherently make his towniness increase? I think you might be throwing the newbie pass out there as an excuse for him like soft defending and then giving him a town read. Please explain why the rating doesn't change.
That is not what I said. I said that I've been subconsciously giving him points for a newbie. I have been realizing my mistake before I post though and re-evaluate my opinions on him, remembering not to give him points for being a noob
Okay so you think that you were doing that before and even after you took away those townie points you still read him as slightly town? hmm
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
On September 03 2014 11:21 Damdred wrote: Few questions for you bats:
Why did you initially vote Templar and give no explanation and then unvote him? Did he do something to deserve your unvote?
You also pay attention to 3d posting and conclude that he has sounded that way since before the game started. Do you think that his ideas and reactions are towny in nature? I know you said you thought his apologetic tone wasn't scummy.
I must say bat this is not the normal town Bats i'm used to normally you are pretty crazy, which you showed with your first two posts (what was the first post from btw). But your posts feel really formulaic atm and it worries me.
Hai I have no read on you. What are you reads?
Why aren't you currently sheeping me onto Micchan?
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.
Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game) Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?
So hes not making a difference at all? Interesting you find that a townie quality?
Lol you wish that I thought that. Read my post again. I clearly state I want to see content out of him before I decide on him.
I think that the way you talked about 3d12 was really awkward. The tone of it sounded like you didn't truly believe what you were saying. Like the read was superficial to me I can't really express what I'm saying well but it didn't feel like you were all there or behind the read.
As for your play if you have only played scum and I see similar tendencies to your previous games where you were scum before. I will concede that it may just be since I've only seen you as scum seeing your town game might have some parts of it that appear as your scum game but you must understand from my pov I have no clue if you're town or mafia so if I see red flags from a scum game I've seen I most certainly will call that out.
I was a bit scattered when I read 3d12. I was definitely not expecting to be asked about him as I didn't really consider him too much before rushing out a read (I had to go to class soon).
Fair point about my similar play. Feel free to point out similarities between me right now and a previous mafia member all you want. Try not to judge too much because you really don't know how constant (or spontaneous) my play is between mafia and town, no matter what you think.
Lol wow I can't read. I made that between customers okay cool well give him all the time you want but hes still doing scummy things. I think you could definitely leave a vote on him to pressure him into talking atm I'm the only one even voting on him and aside from batsnacks no one has really said he is even neutral. That's a very weird place to be in the thread imo. Seems like if he was a townie mafia would be eager to hop on this easy lynch with me. Granted not everyone has checked in since I made the post but I still think its a good place to look atm.
Not sure about the 3d12 thing. Do you have a read on damdred/obi? I don't really have opinions on them as of yet.
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town.
Why act so mad now?
Yeah we're going to be friends this game. Yo vivax I might propose to you if I feel the need to update my BMK.
This line of questions you've been asking all game seems townie to me.
How do you get your read on kush? for me its "does he seem to give a shit" if yes = town if no = mafia. So far he seemed to give a shit earlier now not so much. I think thats the read we had different so want to know more about that read.
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Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
