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turtlevine
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thinking there'd be people they'd shove but as we can see no question's worthy just tell them those posts get no love! there's no harm at the start realistically in talking about no-lynch strategy it's no good this game which is really a shame it kills a way for scum to talk for free! these posts give alignment of null-tell just don't use them as a casemaker as well not for town or for scum, i'm telling you chum this chatter lives only in the echo of the starting bell! | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:12 GlowingBear wrote: Talk to me. I want people to talk to me. Talk to me now. Now. based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow and ideas I can't share right now if he's scum I'd be shocked to him I will talked and we'll be upon this game's prow. On August 22 2014 11:44 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn would 100% wait up for his role and if he were town he would have posted. Hell, he might have even just stayed up and played the game. He does it all the time as town. He always finds a reason to pussy out and not post when he's mafia I don't believe this heuristic is town rayn always a dick? The answer is "no" so it just goes to show don't listen to IAmRobik On August 22 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Like sadly KSC is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks useless/non-tryhard people are scum on this forum. WOS is correct on this front your typical town player's a c***, but with effort so clean, KSC's surely green, so if you think he's scum go get bent. Though I must add onto this point this post does not to WoS annoint he's wasted some posts on flames spam and boasts not what I'd expect from a vet. On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote: (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Although I can see what you say lynching KSC's the wrong play the only good point here's 2, and although that one's true, his aggression and town passes are not astray The basic mistake of a townie at first is to put in way too much efforts and if his ideas are crap that's not the right strat scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts On August 22 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: is this game gluten free? Is this some kind of new crumb or am I just being dumb? i know not the memes of tl mafia it seems and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun. On August 22 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: turtlevine which continent are you from? Though it compromises my identity to say, I'll share: I'm from the US of A I'd rather stay cloaked in the mystery evoked by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210 Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list, I'm starting to feel kind of pissed, it's classic list post, unhelpful at most, made without a clear focused scum jist. he starts with a question at dam, and then there's an apology to him, that vote post is bad, though it makes my heart glad, I think I've finally found scum. So far I'm up to page twelve it seems I'm moderately whelmed I'll continue these thoughts after I've finished a walk, and deeper into thread I will delve! ##vote xatalos | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote: He knows the game is going on, post a shitty poem then perma lurks. I need him posting right now. Robik, if you think I'm faking emotions, you should watch Mexican soap operas so you can understand the difference. I'm masoned with Glowingbear, but it's kinda annoying in there the guy's got no humor his writing's a tumor and our alignments the hosts did not share I'd be surprised as heck were he a creep, since masoning diff alignments makes me weep, he's a paranoid dude just a little unscrewed, and so now he's voted me for being a asleep | ||
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Gb didn't do what was good, only what he thought he should he's a paranoid dude and now we're quite screwed because the host's central nervous system's made of wood. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: turtle can you gimme your read on Wave after you're caught up plz? Up to 12 I do not like how he seems, he hasn't made serious reads, not pushing for scum, just having some fun, I'll have to see what follows this lead. | ||
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turtlevine
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his mafia play was super fine but now he's at lunch, which he likes a bunch, so it will take a little bit of time | ||
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that my xat case was not a meta vote I just don't like the list or his new scumscore twist it was worth giving the man a poke On August 23 2014 23:16 Xatalos wrote: turtlevine said that they are both confirmed town to each other. I know at first I didn't say so but GB and I are confirmed bros the hosts made a mistake so we did a double take because at first they didn't pm us that info I've read a good bit from GB who suspects scum is hapahauli since hapa's involvement is low and his posting is slow I am quite inclined to agree. It's not just about filter length, but also about posting strength, he starts with a case, but get's somewhat off base, and his yamato case's barely a wrench. I don't like that yamato delurk but hapa's quite a piece of work, he's poking and prodding and joking and plodding and still hasn't completed a clear work. If Hapa were town he'd act better, he'd push his cases even if he looked like a nutter, and here he backs off, with confusion and scoff, changing reads with every new letter ##unvote xatalos ##vote hapahauli | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:36 justanothertownie wrote: Turtle are you completely caught up? I've once-overed the entire thread but it's hard to hold in my head the thread was quite long but my reading is strong but much more and I'd probably be dead | ||
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Despite what I say about hapa's alignment, I've also noticed rayn's decreasing refinement, his yelling is bothersome and GB wants me to read him, since he does it regardless of what he rolls on a whim, but the fact that he made like 200 posts in the first day is still annoying to me...ment. Depute unvoting him, I still suspect Xat, who wants to push [urlhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=65#1292]hapa[/url] at the drop of a hat it's not that he's wrong it's that the reason's not strong and given that he's defended hapa so much I can't see him posting that. | ||
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who generally acted like a total asshat when playing this game he makes the experience lame I'm tempted to vote him to stop that | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:34 Xatalos wrote: I really can't see town yamato posting what he did there. where | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote: Thanks for asking him to "stop that" But it matters not if he is an asshat You seem to know him And given his filter a skim So what is the alignment of Jat? Jat's conversations and great and many especially with the dying hapahauli if he were cred-seeking scum he wouldn't be such a chum to someone we'd so soon bury It's possible about him I'm wrong and he's surely and enormous dong but today we should focus on hapa and xatalos on whom the cases are much more strong | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:53 Xatalos wrote: What about yamato? He just practically claimed scum. where | ||
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I hoped it was not the case that your reasoning was so base giving up can be done just cause of not-fun not because of alignment in this case you could say something no matter your role for example "hello" or other statements droll what meta cases MUST show (this you should know) is that there's a basic demonstrably repeatable difference between the person's town and scum game. For example, someone could always say "hello everyone" as scum, but unless they don't ever do it as town, it's not good evidence for them being scum. Even if they only do it as scum, you need to show that they've been in similar situations as town and not done it. you'll need to do better than that if you want my vote to... roll. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:12 Xatalos wrote: It's just that he gave up pretty much exactly in the same manner, in the same tone, and even at the same time of day (lol). The only difference is that he said he doesn't have enough "time" instead of "motivation" to prevent getting lynched. I don't think that's a significant difference though. Like if he's tight on time, why not just try your best while you have time? (town yamato should be excited about the approaching deadline, like in Vendetta Strada, but here he's all *but* excited) You're still missing the point. It doesn't matter how similar this is to something he did as scum, it has to be something he also doesn't do as town, even in similar situations, and it has to be consistent. That's how meta works. Stop missing the point. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:25 Xatalos wrote: In conclusion: 1) Town yamato doesn't make posts where he "gives up", scum yamato does 2) Town yamato is confident and aggro on players who disagree with him, scum yamato is not Scum fits perfectly in this game for him. You're drawing a distinction without a difference, and "scum fits perfectly" is a massive overreach. Though I certainly don't like how yamato plays, this is how he always does. badly. This does not improve my opinion of you at all. | ||
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so I'm breaking ranks with my mason buddy let's get rid of Xat his lies and just can't let me continue to follow GB ##unvote ##vote Xatalos | ||
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Rayn and Kelsen, with xat secondary Rayn : There is no way Hapahauli and Rayn are both town, considering their interaction. The thread got really shit-flingy and really bad, and as townies they'd both want things to remain at least comprehensible. So, one of them must be instigating scum, or both. They could both be scum, because one could be SK and the other could be mafia. They've both both shitty arguments to call out each other, which strikes GB/me as odd. Another thing, is that Hapa oddly unvoted rain after making an entrance with a big case. GB finds this interesting because once, in an obs QT, Hapa said that as mafia, GB should've tried to make a mroe remarkable post-- not being remarkable in any way at all is bad as scum. The awareness of this tactic means he could subvert the trend and make a big post as scum. Hapa's quick join onto Robik ( as opposed to a delayed join once it was working) means that Hapa is definitely not mafia, though he could be scum. So, if we believe one of Rayn/Hapa is going to be scum, it should be Rayn. Side note is that Onegu's tunnel on rayn is very suspicious and a clever way of avoiding talking about other things. If rayn flips town, Onegu is more likely to be scum. I'm going to be quick on Xat. You know that his jump wasn't a clincher, and that he could have done whatever as scum. He could also be the SK. we can't rule him out on that. KSC: this is a bit of a tough nut to crack, but here's the basis for our case. Note that at the start of the day, KSC votes Xatalos. This is OK. This is what you would think. His reasons are not very good. but they are reasons. Look at how else he treats xatalos though. He talks a bit later about how Xat is on his list, but he doesn't lay on the syrup as much as you would expect for a serious push. What shows he is scum is how he acts bout Xat. Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic. Rayn and KSC. that's our lynch choice for tomorrow. | ||
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guess scum and sk tried not to overlap and got to fancy. On August 25 2014 09:56 KelsierSC wrote: Also turtle/GB if you think I'm scum you can basically call Xat town. Saying he could be scum/sk but calling me scum is just shit I'm no longer reading what you're writing, because it is unpleasant to do so. Just noting that the last two scum don't have the same alignment, bro. There's nothing stopping your inconsistent logic from happening to coincidentally be right, so stop shitting a brick | ||
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breathing, living, waiting for death we expected nothing but bullets, until we thought-- what is the position of the shooters? obviously we must die. Scum would shoot us. but also, after losing one of their number, they dare not overlap. their hands tremble at the thought, torn between twin fears of our lives and deaths in singleton rather than paired. ironic, then, that their fear is not death, but the waste of it, for every not-kill is another chance given to the town. woefully, they turn their guns away from the confirmeds, each hoping the other has more courage than he. and each finding himself alone | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:11 KelsierSC wrote: Hopefully you do a lot more as town this day. oh, is someone salty about the outcome of the last night, or perhaps of the day previous? I hope the actions so far have not proven too grievous (to your cause) ##vote KelsierSC | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:11 Hapahauli wrote: To be fair turtle, KSC changed his mind on Xat because I spent time pointing out that logical flaw in his opinion on Xat. Read the interaction (including my posts) then make up your mind. It seems like you just skimmed his filter and made a quick judgement. It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. | ||
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because were i in doubt, under such pressure I'd squirm despite what you may perceive as poor logic I assure you my vote is nothing so tragic I trust that my mason partner GB will explain my vote quite eloquently we only need wait for his righteous return for the many good reasons that you will all learn. | ||
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##vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On August 26 2014 00:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know if anyone has brought this up but rayn was a very strange night kill, and he said he was going to cop check hapa yesterday. So that is another piece to the puzzle. Realistically speaking, even assuming hapa is scum, I still don't think hapa killed rayn. It's utterly predictable that following a rayn death, hapa's chance of getting lynched goes up. If Hapa is mafia, then SK killed rayn, and vice versa. | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Your comment is weird. Scum, whether hapa or not obviously didn't kill Rayn. But I don't think anyone thinks hapa is mafia anymore. Do you have reason to, given the way the end of day went yesterday? what do you mean, scum didn't kill rayn? how did he die then, if not via scum? You think a vigi shot him? | ||
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I'm sorry I don't understand. | ||
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"Sorry, there's no salt on this bagel, just NaCl" | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you plan on letting GB play the entire game for you or something? Letting GB play the game for me has worked amazingly well so far, I see no reason to stop. 2 scum are dead and it's D2. As my uncle used to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Then again, he was an alcoholic and beat his kids, so who knows if that guy was trustworthy. So are you claiming Vigi or do you not have some reason to believe scum isn't behind the rayn kill | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:00 Damdred wrote: I don't know if VA is scum, I don't like the timing of the claim or the skill he used but I am not positive that its a fake claim. Hypothetically speaking, besides the timing of the claim being wrong, or the claim itself and the actions claimed being bad, what other info could possibly convince you that the claim is fake? | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:05 Xatalos wrote: Or even the setup..... Honestly. Only 1 scum is dead so far. And the second kill was made by SK. Yes... obviously. WoS seems to be saying that it was NOT made by scum, which is why I'm asking him. | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Because in the English language, different words can have similar or the same meaning. These words are called synonyms. This has been today's English lesson with WaveofShadow http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Scum "Scum is a catch-all term for any member of an informed minority, such as Serial Killers and Mafia goons. During a day phase, everybody is seemingly trying to locate and eliminate these roles." | ||
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2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat. | ||
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[ ] all the time [ ] sometimes [ ] at least once [x] never | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:44 Xatalos wrote: Sorry, I misremembered obviously scum as confirmed scum. There's a slight difference indeed. Not sure why youd make that mistake. how could he even be confirmed scum in this situation? I don't even | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote: Quick question statement: Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1. If VA is getting lynched anyways, there's no reason to CC | ||
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On August 26 2014 07:49 Damdred wrote: Maybe at least would give us something else to talk about or it would give scum an easy nk | ||
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I guess it's just far too probably that VA did this as town. The scum motivation for this kind of move is more likely than the town motivation, but, the claim makes so little sense, I don't see why scum would make this claim instead of another more easily defended one. As scum you'd go for a claim that would protect you, not hurt you. The only reason anyone would claim JOAT with a truly awful action like VA did is if they couldn't claim something else for some reason. Barring, of course, usual stupidities. No, VA is town. We lynch KSC. I *Want* to lynch VA for this, but honestly, why the dicks would scum claim such an awful role use? Scum could claim *anything*. The only reason you'd claim something so awful and obviously attention-drawing would be if it was the only thing you could claim, because it's true. | ||
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People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me. "Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him. People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly. I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game. Don't play that game. Play this one. Lynch KSC. | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote: And now I know for sure you're not reading the game at all. How in the fuck do you get from my posting on VA that I'm policy lynching him for being stupid? WHY SHOULD WE BE LYNCHING KSC? Do you even KNOW your partner's reasons? Done with you. I'm saying that you're claiming to be lynching VA for good reasons, but you're mostly doing it because 1) youre KSC's scumbuddy (this is one prevailing theory in the mason qt), or 2) you're too tied up by your show of logical thinking to realize that VA is town. You can apologize to me after KSC flips scum. | ||
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The WoS scum thing is entirely association, so we can't trust it while KSC is unflipped. GB himself admits he feels tunneled about the WoS/KSC association, so you won't see either of us voting WOS. | ||
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On August 27 2014 05:10 Xatalos wrote: Are you sure about that? I've seen town vs town ego wars before (besides Hapa didn't really participate outside of making the case). GB thinks that with the many falsified arguments going around, there was great animosity. So much that it couldn't be explained by reasonable townies disagreeing. His original hypothesis was that it was likely that at least one, possibly both were scum. This amount of chaos and bickering is a sign of scum involvement, in his opinion. | ||
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##vote hapa but I will be ready to lynch onegu should he return | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote: It's unfortunate that I am forced to simply because of your colour and not by the merits of your actions. You hurt me, calling me scum like that. GB's track record [x] lynches only scum [ ] does anything other than only lynch scum | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:31 KelsierSC wrote: Yam voted on GB first and he pushed hard and pretty much led the lynch on Hapa. I don't think you get more confirmed town than that. VA dying doesn't effect Yam being confirmed he is confirmed regardless So, not confirmed town at all. Not even a little bit confirmed. Just highly likely to be town. | ||
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Yeah, but not actually, because that's not what confirmed means. Like, the word "confirmed" has to do with something fundamental in the setup, you know? Like at 2-1 LYLO in a game with exactly one blue, if one player claims blue, he's confirmed. Confirmed means that a suspicion or an idea is, well, confirmed. As in, mod-confirmed. People may like to exaggerate around here about confirmed town, but honestly, right now there are no confirmed town players. Yam is obviously not confirmed, because there is nothing in the setup to confirm him. Given that there are probably 2 scum alive, we still can't absolutely rule out the possibility that GB and I are scum that claimed together. If one of us dies, or if one scum dies, then yes, there's confirmed town, but right now it's still POSSIBLE that we're scum. VA, although likely to be town given the state of claims and how the wagons worked out, is not confirmed town. As long as it is possible for someone to be scum without assuming a town fakeclaim or bastard hosting, then that person is not yet confirmed. | ||
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Example 1. The setup does not have godfathers, framers etc as a possibility, and all cops are sane. Allfred claims cop with a green check on Charlie. Alfred is shot and flips cop. (Charlie is confirmed town) Example 2. The setup has exactly one blue role, and scum are compulsive shooters (must shoot every night). There is no night kill, and Barry claims Veteran who soaked a hit at the start of the day. (Barry is confirmed town) Example 3. The setup has exactly one blue role, and it's 2-1 LYLO. All three players agree that the blue should claim. Daniel claims Veteran, and so does Edna. Frank claims VT. (Frank is Confirmed Town) | ||
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VA's claim/unclaim is obvious scum backtracking ##vote VA | ||
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If we lynch KelsierSC, he will stop posting in this thread. We will no longer have to read his posts. ##unvote ##vote KelsierSC | ||
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On August 29 2014 04:52 KelsierSC wrote: I have calmed down, like I said I feel stupid for going insane at everyone. Apologize to me. | ||
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Ok now apologize to GB | ||
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On August 29 2014 05:47 KelsierSC wrote: As confirmed town you should probably be doing more than talking about your mason partner or getting people to say sorry. Yeah, I'm voting scum! :D | ||
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