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So I have had a bit of time to reread Dam's play D1 and the votes etc. Here is where I am at.
1) I still think his early game was town, him and wave had a bit of back and forth but Dam had a very long post where he disputed a lot of what WoS had said. Then rayn jumped in with a similar read to WoS which again Dam disputed, each time I think his responses were good and felt town.
2) He started getting a scum vibe of Xata around the same time I did and he was analysing the Xata, Hapa, Yam attack on rayn the same way I did, this also inclines me to believe he is town.
3) He backed off his scum read of WoS and had a town read of him at the moment when WoS really started playing strong town which felt genuine. I had the same impression of WoS. Another town point.
4) VA gave him a scum read. I think at the time I gave VA a town pass because the read felt towny but considering how VA looks pretty scum to me now. This lends me to believe Dam is town.
5) He voted Xat, Xat is scummy, seems like a town play to me.
Early game Dam also said this.
No offense to Rob but hes always...not rude but probably blunt is a better word for him, and I don't really think its alignment oriented.
This was after I gave Rob an early town read, if Dam is mafia he just shuts up and lets his mafia buddy be given an easy town read.
So TLDR I am pretty sure Dam is town.
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I think I did a lot of that analysis already.
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I actually think it would be for the best to share your reads in-depth during the resolution period (1h before deadline) instead of sharing everything right now. It benefits scum/SK more so than town IMO.
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On August 25 2014 02:43 yamato77 wrote:
I think I did a lot of that analysis already.
Yeh you had some similar thoughts but I analysed independently of what you wrote.
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I think it's better now, because then we can talk about them.
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Hmm. Well there's still 1h time then, but I guess everyone can't be around for that hour.
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On August 25 2014 02:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. Well there's still 1h time then, but I guess everyone can't be around for that hour.
What? I thought deadline was at 9pm?
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No I meant the resolution period lasts 1h so there's still time to talk about reads during that time - but if you can't be around then you should probably share your reads before that.
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Resolution period starts in like 6 hours?
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nice job on the lynch guys, finally got a chance to read up. I think we would have caught robik eventually simply for afking the majority of the game, if I recall he is usually more active.
ill be back later tonight to see the night actions and do some analysis on that if needed.
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Ill post this here for when xata feels like he can talk freely. Yamato brought up your read on robik. Why did you read him town and the read stay the same if not stronger as the day went on.... robik wasn't his normal self in the thread but you kept town reading him . why?
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On August 25 2014 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Ill post this here for when xata feels like he can talk freely. Yamato brought up your read on robik. Why did you read him town and the read stay the same if not stronger as the day went on.... robik wasn't his normal self in the thread but you kept town reading him . why?
Not much point to delay this topic since Robik is dead anyway. This is the read I had on Robik before he died (haven't yet updated MafiaTools since then, will do it now):
IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably - and casually claiming town + posting stuff... we'll see, been really AFK for long now
The points went like 1 (limiting his options by townreading people freely) -> 2 (claiming town felt like a thing that only town would naturally do and scum might execute as a meta strategy, but it was less likely) -> 1 (after being AFK for long and not doing anything for a while).
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Yeah, it suffices to say that I remain entirely unconvinced of Xatalos' towniness. I want other players to read what I dug up in his filter and respond to it.
As for rayn, my impression is that he's a town who has fallen off the deep end. Robik spent a lot of time calling rayn town, something I don't think he would do to a mafia partner. Rayn's behavior is in line with how he was posting in endgame of Neat & Tidy. He's really mad that someone reads him incorrectly that he thinks shouldn't.
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Also, JAT, you aren't that good so you can just buzz off telling me what to do.
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Ok
you were really sure about yamato being scum spamming the thread with it basically. How much has it changed your read that is. Also with kel saying that he would of moved to yamato before the sudden robik votes why didn't you stick on your top scum read tell kel to switch and consolidate yamato would of still been lynched (Instead of moving to your soft town read in rob)
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On August 25 2014 04:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice job on the lynch guys, finally got a chance to read up. I think we would have caught robik eventually simply for afking the majority of the game, if I recall he is usually more active.
ill be back later tonight to see the night actions and do some analysis on that if needed.
Would you say you were subjectively useful yesterday?
With your vote being on Damdred and all.
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Hapa, what do you make of what I've posted about Xatalos?
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On August 25 2014 04:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Ill post this here for when xata feels like he can talk freely. Yamato brought up your read on robik. Why did you read him town and the read stay the same if not stronger as the day went on.... robik wasn't his normal self in the thread but you kept town reading him . why? Not much point to delay this topic since Robik is dead anyway. This is the read I had on Robik before he died (haven't yet updated MafiaTools since then, will do it now): IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably - and casually claiming town + posting stuff... we'll see, been really AFK for long now The points went like 1 (limiting his options by townreading people freely) -> 2 ( claiming town felt like a thing that only town would naturally do and scum might execute as a meta strategy, but it was less likely) -> 1 (after being AFK for long and not doing anything for a while).
Do you really, really believe in what is in bold? Do you seriously believe that is alignment indicative?
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He's either town or SK.
I can interpret his actions as someone either:
a) a townie too immersed in the thread and the flow of it
b) someone who's trying to agree with anything to stay alive
I don't get anything malicious from his play. Only a survival instinct. Given how much pressure he was under during the day, this is plausible as town. And I still interpret his near psychotic activity levels as not-mafia.
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On August 25 2014 04:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok
you were really sure about yamato being scum spamming the thread with it basically. How much has it changed your read that is. Also with kel saying that he would of moved to yamato before the sudden robik votes why didn't you stick on your top scum read tell kel to switch and consolidate yamato would of still been lynched (Instead of moving to your soft town read in rob)
My notes on yamato77:
yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all
The points went something like this 0 -> 2 -> 0 -> 4 -> 2 -> 0 -> -4 -> 3. :D
I still wanted to lynch yamato before the deadline over Robik (granted I started to have slight doubts after yamato suddenly activated close to the deadline), but GB voted for me and said he would vote for me if Robik didn't go through, so I just voted for Robik and hoped for the best. It was a bit of a mess during those final minutes and I thought Robik hadn't really done anything to deserve me risking somehow getting lynched instead of yamato (although it was still possible that yamato could be lynched since Hapa & jat wanted to avoid getting me lynched).
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