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I bet Onegu comes in at 2am today and says, "oh shit didn't realise we had started"
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Neither Hapa nor Rayn are the lynch
I think we lynch betweem Xat, Yam, WoS or the AfK dude I cant remember his name.
Like I think Hapa didn't fully evaluate the interactions that Rayn did, shit hapa even retracted part of his argument and then unvoted so the focus being on rayn is kinda silly.
Xat and Yam need to be looked at most carefull. A lot of the Xat story doesn't add up and Yam has been shit tier
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You guys have the timing incorrect
The thread only shifted against rayn as Hap blasted
Then Xat and Yam went full hard dick against him.
Dam maybe it only seems like the thread was against him because you and him had an argument but like it was definetly BW hopping by Xat and Yam
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On August 23 2014 09:13 Xatalos wrote:
RE: [D1] Malware Madness Mafia! (yamato)
It does slightly worry me that no one else thinks that Rayn is town, but idk man, I've played many games with that Fin and I can townread him very well early on.
rayn, do you really think scum Hapa + yamato would push you D1 if you're town even though they're both apparently good at reading you?
Why are you lying about this
I have stated many times that Rayn is town.
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On August 23 2014 09:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 09:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 09:13 Xatalos wrote:
RE: [D1] Malware Madness Mafia! (yamato)
It does slightly worry me that no one else thinks that Rayn is town, but idk man, I've played many games with that Fin and I can townread him very well early on.
rayn, do you really think scum Hapa + yamato would push you D1 if you're town even though they're both apparently good at reading you? Why are you lying about this I have stated many times that Rayn is town. I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
what the fuck how can that be clearer
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oh you linked something irrelevant from a previous game
sorry my mistake
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On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him) And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game.
can you explain in this game the effort he did apart from sheep Happ's read and post random shit
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On August 23 2014 10:12 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 09:49 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 09:32 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: Hapahauli
You've brought good arguments regarding Rayn being mafia, but not centr for him being mafia. You easily dropped that bit case for things Rayn does regardless alignment. I think you're scum. If I'm reading this correctly... 1) I brought good arguments against Rayn 2) I dropped that case too early regardless of my alignment 3) I am mafia This does not logically follow, nor does it make you look good. You forget that GB is pretty confirmed again though 
Doesnt mean his reads are useful, no way hapa is the lynch
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On August 23 2014 09:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him) And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game. can you explain in this game the effort he did apart from sheep Happ's read and post random shit Like this is the level of effort he shows as scum: Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.
Whatever. Here he's at least done *something*. Shared reads that seemed okay. Pushed rayn. Etc.
I just don't agree with this statement at all. He only pushed rayn after Happa. Before that he had given one read on WoS. it was a pretty good read but not massively insightful and then he shut up for ages living on his town read.
He said that rayn "went after him" for a pretty reasonable question. Also notice Yam didn't have a problem with the question at the time. Just let it slide.
So he gave 2 reads, one which was an early game simple read and the other that was a sheep of a bad read like. I just don't see why you read him so hard town.
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I need to go to bed so I am going to give my state before I sleep.
I believe the lynch is between
Xat, Yamata , WoS and Onegu.
I think Xat is still the top lynch, he is like hard town reading Yamata which makes no sense and I still really don't like how he has gone after rayn really hard but only after Hapa said it. He "only noticed things after Hapa brought them up" like be real.
Yamata is similar to Xat but he has been much more lurky, I don't like how he blew rayn's question to "he went after me" and he really bw with Hapa. He has also lurked hardcore and seemed happy to sit on his TR.
WoS I gave my reasons before. but I want to see how he evaluates this new development.
Onegu is AFK so fuck off and die.
Don't lynch Happa or rayn, .
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On August 23 2014 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
Robik has also been weirdly lurking :/
He went to a comedy show and is probably fucking 3 playboy bunnies right now at the same time.
based Robik
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On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.
It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy
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On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.
Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.
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On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed.
This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous.
1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish.
2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed.
3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy.
4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon.
5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points
This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town.
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On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it.
Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense
why were you so happy to sheep hapas read
i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever.
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Dam how do you read Xat and Yamato
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On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused.
I think we must just disagree on how Yam has played this game, For me he has tried to BW that push on rayn and then kind of disappeared and posted random bullshit it seems unmotivated and useless.
What bothers me most about your attack on rayn is the timing of things, I just don't like how you later posted the notes on rayn that included the thing he said about yamato, but you never even brought that up until Hapa remembered it for you. Like that seems a big thing to forget on someone you are wavering town on.
you said that everyone has a score of "-1 to 2" so I don't think any of that is concrete. Also I am curious you town reading me when I read Yam as scum and rayn as town.
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On August 24 2014 00:42 Xatalos wrote:
It's hard to believe your promise if your #2 scum is town though (when you *should* townread me if you're town I'm quite certain of that).
Xat can you give me an explanation of all the town things you have done this game.
To be honest anything about your "playstyle" being similar to other town games doesn't cut it for me because you have the easiest style to mimic
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On August 24 2014 01:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
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It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused. I think we must just disagree on how Yam has played this game, For me he has tried to BW that push on rayn and then kind of disappeared and posted random bullshit it seems unmotivated and useless. What bothers me most about your attack on rayn is the timing of things, I just don't like how you later posted the notes on rayn that included the thing he said about yamato, but you never even brought that up until Hapa remembered it for you. Like that seems a big thing to forget on someone you are wavering town on. you said that everyone has a score of "-1 to 2" so I don't think any of that is concrete. Also I am curious you town reading me when I read Yam as scum and rayn as town. You can be wrong and town. It happens all the time, especially since you don't know me or anyone else here. By the way currently my points go from -3 to 3. Even so I'm really a bit conservative with my points. Even GB & turtlevine are only 8 when they're pretty much confirmed. An extreme townread would be something like 5 or 6. Hm. Well I guess we'll see about yamato. It's a bit hard to explain, but his tone is just so different. In the PYP game all his posts were bored / resigned. Here he's actually excited to play (that's the feeling I got). I can't say he hasn't been useless, but he's useless as town too. I'm not completely sure what you mean there? Obviously I added the scummy 1&2&3 points to my notes only *after* I thought of them - when Damdred had just made his push on Damdred and Hapa had started his push. It's not like I had them in my notes all along (LOL how could that even be possible - the Damdred thing happened way after I posted my notes earlier).
With the notes thing I am specifically talking about the yamato thing., you posted notes once that didnt have the yamato question but the 2nd notes you posted did, this was way after the original question rayn asked.
Your reads are just too different to mine at the moment Xat.
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So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
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