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On August 26 2014 02:11 turtlevine wrote:
So... I guess on TL people use "Scum" to mean "Mafia" rather than "anti-town". When I'm talking about mafia, I'll just say mafia or scumteam. When I'm talking about scum, I'll say scum. Why have the word if it means the same as mafia?
Because in the English language, different words can have similar or the same meaning. These words are called synonyms.
This has been today's English lesson with WaveofShadow
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But now I'm curious tbh.
What would it have meant if what I said DID mean scum or SK didn't shoot Rayn?
That an unclaimed vigi did so? Because that would be pretty fucking stupid.
And also I'd still like to hear how in the world you thought 2 scum were dead, either meaning welcome.
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I had this argument once with somebody a long time ago. Can't remember which game and who it was.
I refuse to believe you're actually new to TL, but it's not important.
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On August 26 2014 02:14 turtlevine wrote:
You would have been claiming Vigi, either as a real vigi or an SK pretending to be one.
2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat.
lol and this is where somebody Mocsta-claims to get VA lynched and the thread devolves even further.
No, I was not claiming vigi; if there was a vigi the claim should have been done immediately. I wasn't even considering this until you brought it up, and now you've essentially given Hapa (or Onegu?) an out. Let's see if they take it.
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Actually no, Hapa would have claimed it since he was around.
And if Onegu claimed vig I would still lynch him probably.
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On August 26 2014 02:55 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 02:44 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 02:14 turtlevine wrote:
You would have been claiming Vigi, either as a real vigi or an SK pretending to be one.
2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat. Sorry, I misremembered obviously scum as confirmed scum. There's a slight difference indeed. Not sure why youd make that mistake. how could he even be confirmed scum in this situation? I don't even
Says the guy who says 2 scum are dead
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On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.
We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.
Discuss.
I think asking for blues to claim when we're already pretty damn sure VA is mafia is scummy (or anti-town, so as not to confuse turtlevine) as all hell.
Also enjoy the fact that you haven't bothered to address SK suspicions on yourself in any way.
Ladies and gents, I think we have this game.
Hapa/Onegu/VA ftw
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Host obfuscation, my dear Xat.
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On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.
For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.
I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations.
Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says.
What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred?
Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown?
Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them?
I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies.
As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play.
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On August 26 2014 04:01 Xatalos wrote:
I agree with that point about pushing rayn. Btw I disagree with there being no difference between town/SK play... rayn was *very* different, passive/careful, as SK in one of the Titanic games.
I've been shot N1 as 3P before for being way too towny and scaring the hell out of scum. Hapa's got a very nice balance imo and a lot of townier people to soak shots before scum would think of targeting him.
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On August 26 2014 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.
For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.
I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations. Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says. What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred? Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown? Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them? I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies. As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play. You still haven't answered my question. Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense? I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1.
Maybe you're right and you would play completely normally and make sense, except then of course scum would have you as a primary target, which I believe I already pointed out.
Want to answer my questions? If you're not playing completely normally and not making sense as you say yourself, then why, if you're town?
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On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.
Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.
We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.
Because there's not a whole lot else to do.
Do you want to lynch anyone outside of Onegu/VA?
If so, why?
If not, then stop bitching.
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Actually the best narrative of the SK NK was GB's analysis because as far as I know, he doesn't think it's you.
The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well.
Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his?
Again, is there something else we should be doing right now?
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On August 26 2014 04:32 Hapahauli wrote:Now on the topic of finding mafia: is this a good idea or not? Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.
We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.
Discuss. If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip?
He's not much more than a flip. There's a little bit of stuff regarding his stuff on rayn if you'd care to read, but otherwise I fail to see where we'd be lynching outside of those I mentioned.
And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is?
I'm out for a while.
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On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK.
Because top town consider va scum too?
The fuck?
Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa?
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On August 26 2014 06:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa? The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true. You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine. then hapa made another point about VA and you said "oh yeh VA is probably the lynch" And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off.
Read the thread again bro and look at when I voted for va.
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Oh wait, did you think you were talking to xat?
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I think in the end you need to stop using associative shit so much and decide who YOU think is scummy and vote for them.
If VA is scummy it shouldn't matter who else brought shit up.
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On August 26 2014 07:33 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Quick question statement:
Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1. If VA is getting lynched anyways, there's no reason to CC
And this is what I've been saying for ages.
It actually might make sense to look at the people who think it's a good idea....
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But guys, guys listen to hapa!
WE HAVE TO FIND SCUM
WHERE ARE ALL THE SCUM
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