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On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while.
I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me.
I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there.
However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
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On August 30 2014 00:13 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game. Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum). In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.
Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed.
Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
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I'm hoping we get a mafia today, so that it's better for town. The MyLo I was thinking of in my previous post was when there's 4 people and 1 mafia. Derpderp. I see now how weird that comment was I made.
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The pace of this day is super duper bad.
Just fyi, I've come down with a fever and have spent most of the day sleeping, trying to recover. Will come back later after some more resting and say a few things. But you lot seriously need to pick up the activity.
Day2 is a very important day, especially after a mislynch day1.
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Okay, I refuse to see this day end like day 1 did.
We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones.
MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3.
Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out.
Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town.
lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town.
abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing.
Anyways, let's form those wagons!
##Vote: MihZaaa
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Vote vote vote people. The sooner you vote so we get an overview the better for town!
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On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote:
One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get?
Honestly, you seemed to have no clue what the game was about, so I thought if you were mafia you prob would have no clue about not claiming your name, so I asked to make it easier for me to read you. I really liked your answer and that you didn't out your name. I also loved the fact that you called me scummy for it.
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lilwade, MihZaa, Superbia
As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1.
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Barakos - I didn't see any flaws in your logic or the case itself. And the night kill comment was sketchy as fudgecake. But I can't help but see him as a donkey town, excited about his first mafia game and just not knowing what to do to be read as town. I don't know.. maybe I'm just giving him way too much slack and is underestimating him.
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Ok, so about MihZaaaa.
He first had the whole contradict himself thing with first saying that if I got killed as town last game I'd want to not be the same as this game, so I don't get killed. And then followed that post up with a post that stated he didn't think I'd take the mic so strongly on day1 if I was mafia.
Then he said something about abuse's questions that caught my eyes.
It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
while I agree that the questions themselves weren't perhaps the best, he came with an idea of how he wanted to find out more about these players he's never played with before and I didn't see it as either scummy nor towny. It was very alignment neutral.
He also at one point said that he's not familiar with the lingo yet because it's his first mafia game, but he uses words like "pocketing" perfectly. Which seems like he's holding back some information/knows more than he's letting off.
The rest he did seems to me rather neutral in alignment, as if he's just trying to skate by. And he still hasn't done a single thing since his vote on Gobble day1.
On August 27 2014 22:32 MihZaaa wrote:
## vote: gobbledydook
As you can see by the timestamp, it was quite some time ago.
I don't feel comfortable leaving such a questionmark, because I'd have no way to read him town.
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I agree that inactivity absolutely sucks, especially when someone hasn't done a single thing in 3 irl days, cough MihZaaaa cough, and I'd love to have more information to go from when it comes to him and some of our other inactive players, but I just don't feel comfortable leaving such a huge questionmark in the game just because we can't read him.
The longer he stays a questionmark the longer he will be a hindrance for town.
I hope hope hope that whoever dies tonight flips mafia so that we can stop going in to mylo.
If we go to mylo we will spend that entire day discussing and then novote, because if we misslynch in mylo we lose.
So we sleep, let them kill 1 more, and then we have increased our odds to a 40% chance to hit 1 mafia.
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Superbia, you still haven't voted. Please do so. We can't risk having too many people not on the wagons, making things easier for mafia.
If you feel someone else is a more suitable candidate for wagon than MihZaa, because obviously you already think you shouldn't be one, then come out with it and explain why and at least put a vote down.
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I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this.
I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.
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Totally not feeling better, but I wanted to be here for the end of day.
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Don't like MihZaaa, has he given up? Beats me.
lilwade is hanging on a thin line. He needs to blow me out of the waters for me to feel good about him by now.
Breshke, still not convinced on this dude.
abuse, if he got RB'd then I have a hard time believing he is mafia.
superbia, still just think he's super eager donkey town. I'll have to filter him again to see if I change my mind.
Barakos, how about that wedding? 
daydream, tot's not mafia. Would be surprised if he was.
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On August 31 2014 09:52 Superbia wrote:
Stop calling me a donkey Jenny. I'm only getting read as mafia or as donkey. It's kinda getting annoying.
Then how do I explain my read on you? I'll just say "that thing I mentioned earlier and isn't allowed to say anymore" instead
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On August 31 2014 09:54 Daydreamarine wrote:
You yourself also called the Mafia donkey Mafia, Coincidence? I hope not :D
Being donkey works both ways.
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I'll have the Elsa dress plz.
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On August 31 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:Sorry, they're only available in donkey sizes.
Haha, fine! You can have them all then
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This is bad.. We'll enter mylo.. Fffff...
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