EPT[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 45
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Thanks for hosting this to amiko, alakaslam and glowingbear and putting this much effort in you Day/Night-Posts. And also thanks for coaching to Holyflare and Shinobi. The one thing I didn't like was the inactivity... especially lilwade and abuse. The game would have been a lot more fun, had they taken part in it... lilwade for being my partner and abuse for his critical reads, even though they were wrong, when it got to superbia... lilwade actually managed to get himself modkilled after posting in the mafia-QT, which I still can't process fully... That's also why breshke died in N2. Wade wanted to go head to head in the lynchvotes vs superbia, since at that time abuse + marine were totally on the superbia-scumtrain and we could have gotten the misslynch there... but then he manages to not post, while playing an other game her on this site... To answer your question, superbia: I wasn't sure about Jennys view on the two of us and the post you made shortly before EoN seemed like you believed in what you said. And since I read you as someone, who doesn't change his mind easily, once he is convinced, I thought you were a safer bet than Jenny. Also I felt like I had some credit with you for not lynching you D2. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
The inactivity sucked, it made the game much harder to read for me. Completely agreed with the shout-out to the host. Thanks Amiko and co-hosts GlowingBear and Alakaslam! You guys were awesome. The flavor was awesome and I enjoyed the game! My first forum mafia game (and my second ever mafia game), and you guys made it awesome. Thanks again! | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2014 08:02 Superbia wrote:  fuck my life.I feel u bro. It happens to everyone at some point @ Bakaros Well done on a very solid scum-game. Regarding what you posted in the Obs QT: Barakos 09-04-2014 07:18 PM ET (US) /m92 What I was referring to was Jenny saying "easy games easy rares"... would have to read my case on superbia, where I mentioned, that I don't like that twitch-chat-speech, since it actually for some reason really gets me mad, when people talk like that. Pretty sure, Jenny was exactly aware of what she wrote there and tried to annoy me. Overall, I agree with you - my last post sucked pretty bad and I should have gone more against Jenny. Already posted this in the thread... it was a huge gamble. I wouldn't get too down on yourself about your last post. It might have been "objectively" scummy, but that really doesn't matter. What's important as mafia is to understand who is in the game, and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Subjectivity over objectivity. In this case, Superbia was looking for reasons to be suspicious of someone, and how calm and collected your end-game posts were were a great way to blend-in behind Jenny's far more emotional and attention-grabbing posts. You might not get away with those posts in other games, but it was a good play (intentional or not) in this game. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
I'd love to hear why Breshke was the kill n1 he seemed to be a prime target for a lynch so curious what mafia's thoughts were on that. As a coach who didn't get to talk to the other townies I would say that some general advice. Superbia: Tunneling is rarely an effective method of scum hunting so I would try to be open to changing your mind with the gobble lynch as well as not taking into account the final 3 where new information was present and not voting when people were around to respond was detrimental. Your ability to read through the content and put in the work to play was good I was impressed with how much you were active in the thread throughout and my critiques are small to be honest don't be discouraged about the mishammer just in the future realize in final 3 you must take the whole game into play. Abuse - I thought you played well and was sad to see you get mod killed. I liked your activity when you had it and think your life was taken early. You took the roleblock for a role n1 which was really good and were readable as a townie quite easy. I would say just be mindful of deadlines as some mods use letter of the law and not the spirit of it to mod. Breshke - I thought your EoD day 1 was very townie where you were trying to let people know where you stood and moved off gobble in the end. You had some townie questions and did really well getting killed n2 is a compliment! Meatpudding - After playing with you in the other game I thought that your play improved quite a lot since the last time you played. You seemed way more townie this game and taking a n1 bullet is always a good sign of doing something right. DayDreamMarine - Your role play had me laughing my head off you did well with your role unfortunate activity was an issue but you were able to portray yourself as town and having a bit of a misunderstanding on the amount of RP involved in the game  It was enjoyable to read your flavor I liked it quite a lot! Barakos - You played a pretty townie game as scum day 1. I think that you had a strong pull in the thread as scum which is hard to do. You ccing bulletproof so early was good too as it led to pocketing Superbia super hard. Well Played! Gobble - I think you showed your towniness its a shame that it got heated at the end of day 1 I would just say try to be more calm before getting heated towards end of day. lilwade/Mihzaaaa I think could just improve their level of activities as it was hard to get a read or fill for their play when they were around with the little they posted so improving the activity would go a long way! Lastly JennyHell - My Newbie I thought played really really well! I may be biased but the amount I know she put into the game makes me sad that it ended like it did with the early deadline and her being asleep and not able to respond to the mishammer. Had she been around and more awake I don't doubt she could have swayed Superbia. I think she was easily the most townie person swaying people into attempting to vote two wagons, trying to save gobble, and getting the sleep at mylo for more information. I know she did a bunch of filter diving and put a ton of effort into the game despite being ill for a portion of it! It was a pleasure to coach for her and I wish she could have had the time to pull off the victory in final three. All in All good gmae. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
I mentioned in the mafia-QT, I thought me going full emotional and defensive wouldn't fit to the way I played this game at all and I also never really attacked someone hard this game... I had two solid cases vs wade and superbia but never really attacked anybody with full force. So going all ham on Jenny would also not fit... It felt for me like superbia wanted more or less confirmation on his reads, he posted the night before and I tried to give him this by staying "in character". Everybody telling me, I should be more emotional / aggressive in this last post got me thinking though... will definitely take this into consideration, should I ever get in a lylo-situation again.  | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On September 05 2014 08:44 Tehpoofter wrote: I'd love to hear why Breshke was the kill n1 he seemed to be a prime target for a lynch so curious what mafia's thoughts were on that. I gave that reason already... you don't pay attention to the thread, scum! :p Driving force behind this was lilwade. My kill for this night would have been abuse or superbia, iirc. Wades line of thought was, that he wanted to form a wagon against superbia the next day, because the thread (abuse and daydreamarine) were pretty sure, superbia was scum, so that would have been two sure votes on superbia together with lilwades and mine this would have been a sure misslynch. Basically it was lilwade, arguing he had a better chance vs superbia than vs breshke and I think it would have worked... but then came the modkills. :D | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Again sorry about all the sheeping! | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2014 08:20 Superbia wrote: Open for feedback on reads. I can only give you feedback on your MYLO/LYLO play, since that's all I read of this game. It feels like you got locked into a flawed scum-tell and let it influence the rest of your game too much. On September 05 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: ... The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end. Like... this isn't a scumtell. Town or mafia can post this type of stuff. What would make this scummy is if someone posted a ton on Gobbeldydook to avoid making other contributions, but I didn't get that impression at all from Jenny's filter. Jenny contributed plenty of other stuff this game, and it feels like you locked into a post that you didn't like as opposed to a post that was actually scummy. And you getting locked on Jenny's post made you overlook some of your other really good observations this game. For example: On September 01 2014 10:37 Superbia wrote: Barakos' reluctance to push on lilwade last night, despite him promising to reads the most scummy right now. This is just something I remembered from last night though. You had Barakos crucified with this post. This is a really good observation, and you should have been all aboard the "lynch Bakaros" train after posting this. But your confirmation bias with Jenny on N1/D2 made you not understand just how damning Barakos's behavior towards lilwade actually was. I think some of this also has to do with you not understanding enough about mafia mentality. Mafia mentality is not going to manifest itself by posting about a confirmed town. Town or mafia can post about a confirmed town and be 100% honest about it. Mafia mentality however will manifest itself when talking about something like a fellow scumbuddy. Knowing that they're suspicious and guilty deep down, yet it being against their objectives to lynch an ally (see Bakaros's attitude towards lilwade). Or fake-claiming knowing deep-down that their claim is false (see my post in the Obs QT about Barakos). That's the stuff that finds mafia, not stuff about confirmed townies. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On September 05 2014 08:56 Barakos wrote: I gave that reason already... you don't pay attention to the thread, scum! :p Driving force behind this was lilwade. My kill for this night would have been abuse or superbia, iirc. Wades line of thought was, that he wanted to form a wagon against superbia the next day, because the thread (abuse and daydreamarine) were pretty sure, superbia was scum, so that would have been two sure votes on superbia together with lilwades and mine this would have been a sure misslynch. Basically it was lilwade, arguing he had a better chance vs superbia than vs breshke and I think it would have worked... but then came the modkills. :D We cross posted  I saw interesting. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On September 05 2014 09:09 Hapahauli wrote: I can only give you feedback on your MYLO/LYLO play, since that's all I read of this game. It feels like you got locked into a flawed scum-tell and let it influence the rest of your game too much. Like... this isn't a scumtell. Town or mafia can post this type of stuff. What would make this scummy is if someone posted a ton on Gobbeldydook to avoid making other contributions, but I didn't get that impression at all from Jenny's filter. Jenny contributed plenty of other stuff this game, and it feels like you locked into a post that you didn't like as opposed to a post that was actually scummy. Thanks. I think this is exactly what I did not realize, and I think this is probably the mistake that cost me the game. Putting it in context (i.e. Jenny still contributed a lot during the same day) makes a lot of sense, and was something I did not do. On September 05 2014 09:09 Hapahauli wrote:And you getting locked on Jenny's post made you overlook some of your other really good observations this game. For example: You had Barakos crucified with this post. This is a really good observation, and you should have been all aboard the "lynch Bakaros" train after posting this. But your confirmation bias with Jenny on N1/D2 made you not understand just how damning Barakos's behavior towards lilwade actually was. I think some of this also has to do with you not understanding enough about mafia mentality. Mafia mentality is not going to manifest itself by posting about a confirmed town. Town or mafia can post about a confirmed town and be 100% honest about it. Mafia mentality however will manifest itself when talking about something like a fellow scumbuddy. Knowing that they're suspicious and guilty deep down, yet it being against their objectives to lynch an ally (see Bakaros's attitude towards lilwade). Or fake-claiming knowing deep-down that their claim is false (see my post in the Obs QT about Barakos). That's the stuff that finds mafia, not stuff about confirmed townies. Thanks for pointing this out as well. I guess I did not have my priorities straight when it comes to deciding what behaviour more scummy than others. The others' reluctance to push on lilwade at the same point in time made this seem a lot less scummy for some reason. On another note, I would also like to thank iamperfection for guiding me through the dark and providing me with some excellent tips! | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On September 05 2014 08:58 Breshke wrote: GG everyone and unlucky superbia im glad it wasn't me who had to decide! I also want to thank the host and co-hosts i still had fun even with the mod kills. Again sorry about all the sheeping! Breshke I felt like you stepped up majorly during d2 compared to d1, you went from my top lynch for d2 to basically semi-confirmed town. I hope next time you're a bit more proactive during d1, but I would love to play with you again! | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
When I saw no-lynch I was like "wtf" I am not even sure that is supposed to be allowed in a newbie but it is better training to be real I think. But that is bad for town like 99% | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On September 05 2014 09:38 Alakaslam wrote: Why did town ever no-lynch? When I saw no-lynch I was like "wtf" I am not even sure that is supposed to be allowed in a newbie but it is better training to be real I think. But that is bad for town like 99% This. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Why have a pool of 4 players to lynch in, when mafia can shoot one and you have 3 instead? One lynch is going to end the game anyway, so you may as well take 33% odds as opposed to 25%. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Or if everyone keeps saying I am vt what do you do now? What more can be learned? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 05 2014 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: MYLO with 4 unconfirmed players is one of the very few situations where no-lynching is good. Why have a pool of 4 players to lynch in, when mafia can shoot one and you have 3 instead? One lynch is going to end the game anyway, so you may as well take 33% odds as opposed to 25%. If that was the situation then I get it. I was hosting but I paid about 2% attention. I was purely updating vote counts XD | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
Honestly, I felt really useless for the majority of this game, so I'm really glad I found a way to give Barakos some sort of good advice. He basically dominated this game from start to finish, which is way more than I can say about how my own scumgames have turned out. Holyflare and I were basically hangers-on for the one man show that made up our scum QT. There was a lot of luck involved in this game for both sides. The lilwade modkill should have 100% resulted in a town victory on the spot but nobody took advantage of it...And then the jailor got modkilled and Barakos shot the bulletproof, ensuring town had yet another chance to take the game away. A well deserved victory. The only other piece of advice I'd give B right now is to take the concept of "begging" and other self-imposed rules and throw them out the window. It's mafia: lie, cheat, and betray people as much as you need to to get the win. You're the bad guy; you don't owe town a damn thing. | ||
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