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Blazinghand
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I'm here and have some time to talk. Look, I've taken a look at how batsnacks has played, and it seems fairly clear to me that he's scum. The fact of the matter is, his play and attempt at analysis only takes place directly in response to the possibility of people moving off of me. My low activity is pretty much flat because, yes, I'm moving. Batsnacks just wants to fly under the radar and once he realizes people might question him he starts flipping shit and making graphics and stuff. His goal isn't to hunt scum, it's to just not be the lynch in this cell-- it is clear to me that he is operating from a scum mindset and goal set.
Other players have mentioned the inconsistencies and scumminess of his list/excel post and his followup, so I won't rehash that.
Honestly, I'm completely sure batsnacks is scum, and I will do what it takes to prove that. We're not lynching me today. Not while I have a say in it.
this blog post was in the queue for 2 weeks. It was already written so I just copied it over from my reddit posts proof: http://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/2dn4gq/rt_how_to_succeed_in_evil_series_edwin_windsor/cjtfl4c
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uhh....
BH how exactly has batsnacks been attempting to fly under the radar?
well, not NOW, obviously, but look at it this way. At the start of the day, like a million people vote me, including batsnacks, and he doesn't try to ask me questions, pressure me, or even mention ritoky. The first time he does this is about 24 hours ago (link). He makes a lot of posts, conversationally, and he's not afraid to step on toes, but they're all like this (link) or like this (link). I would consider batsnacks' early contributions during this day to be basically the same as mine: nonexistent. He certainly makes a lot of posts, but none with real meaning.
Then, only after he comes under some pressure, he coughts up this hairball: (link) while at the same time trying to downplay his earlier play and focus you guys on his most recent play, so you think he's active.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 03:09 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uhh....
BH how exactly has batsnacks been attempting to fly under the radar? well, not NOW, obviously, but look at it this way. At the start of the day, like a million people vote me, including batsnacks, and he doesn't try to ask me questions, pressure me, or even mention ritoky. The first time he does this is about 24 hours ago (link). He makes a lot of posts, conversationally, and he's not afraid to step on toes, but they're all like this (link) or like this (link). I would consider batsnacks' early contributions during this day to be basically the same as mine: nonexistent. He certainly makes a lot of posts, but none with real meaning. Then, only after he comes under some pressure, he coughts up this hairball: (link) while at the same time trying to downplay his earlier play and focus you guys on his most recent play, so you think he's active. He was more active than you were, and what you described isn't what I'd call 'flying under the radar' in the slightest. Lack of contribution isn't flying under the radar. He was around and in everyone's face.
Yeah, but in everyone's face with what? Not cases, not analysis, with NOTHING. Look, if he was literally not posting, that wouldn't be flying under the radar, people would notice that. In a game of mafia, to not attract attention, you have to make posts. And if you're batsnacks, who's generally a caustic player, you don't make a bunch of milquetoast posts. How else would batsnacks try to avoid attention than what he's doing now? There's no way batsnacks could contribute less without people saying "wtf batsnacks is being really weird"
On August 31 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
How about this BH?
Get off your own cell for a bit.
Give some other reads.
I'm glad to do so, but I'm not gonna stop paying attention to the fact that i'm leading the votes dude, and you're voting me for reasons that still are not clear to me.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 31 2014 03:09 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uhh....
BH how exactly has batsnacks been attempting to fly under the radar? well, not NOW, obviously, but look at it this way. At the start of the day, like a million people vote me, including batsnacks, and he doesn't try to ask me questions, pressure me, or even mention ritoky. The first time he does this is about 24 hours ago (link). He makes a lot of posts, conversationally, and he's not afraid to step on toes, but they're all like this (link) or like this (link). I would consider batsnacks' early contributions during this day to be basically the same as mine: nonexistent. He certainly makes a lot of posts, but none with real meaning. Then, only after he comes under some pressure, he coughts up this hairball: (link) while at the same time trying to downplay his earlier play and focus you guys on his most recent play, so you think he's active. He was more active than you were, and what you described isn't what I'd call 'flying under the radar' in the slightest. Lack of contribution isn't flying under the radar. He was around and in everyone's face. Yeah, but in everyone's face with what? Not cases, not analysis, with NOTHING. Look, if he was literally not posting, that wouldn't be flying under the radar, people would notice that. In a game of mafia, to not attract attention, you have to make posts. And if you're batsnacks, who's generally a caustic player, you don't make a bunch of milquetoast posts. How else would batsnacks try to avoid attention than what he's doing now? There's no way batsnacks could contribute less without people saying "wtf batsnacks is being really weird" On August 31 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
How about this BH?
Get off your own cell for a bit.
Give some other reads. I'm glad to do so, but I'm not gonna stop paying attention to the fact that i'm leading the votes dude, and you're voting me for reasons that still are not clear to me. But he WAS being really weird BH, wtf? Like compare his posting to someone like bunnies for example, who isn't in today's cell
ftfy
On August 31 2014 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Go ahead and pay attention. I have all the reason to vote I need. Give me a reason to unvote.
Are you seriously voting me because of that blog post? please elaborate.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol why do people think I care about the blog post?
It was a joke because the title of it is how to succeed in evil. You know?
Like mafia are evil?
ha ha?
I'm voting you because your early game was scummy as hell, amiko caught you slipping (which by the way I don't buy your explanation for) and then you didn't do dick all for a while. Now even assuming marv is wrong and you're not just being sneaky as all hell (and I know you are certainly capable of it), I have more than enough reason to find you scum today.
walk me through your thought process then, cause right now I don't get it.
You unvote me(link) and explicitly state i'm not off the hook, after batsnacks' travest of a post and me noting i have bad internet. You interact with professor apathy, than you are bothered by batsnacks' posting (link), then you say you'd flip a coin between us because you're so on the fence, (link) then you (now jokingly) criticize the title of my book review (link) , then you vote me because... bats is here? (link)
from what I can tell, you didn't have any particular plan to vote me, and you just did it because bats... showed up? Even though you don't like bats.
I don't get it.
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Blazinghand
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Wait, now you're voting bats? I'm even more confused, though I am pleased. Nonetheless, I will follow your advice and provide reads on the other cells, since you'll be needing my guidance in the next few days regardless
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Blazinghand
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I too would be interested in talking about 27nb. I do not think any of her vote justifications are real. It seems to me like this post in particular rings false: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=55#1097
basically, 27nb started off by voting ritoky "jokingly" (link), then when batsnacks was in danger as a counterwagon to me, she moved her vote to me from ritoky. What this looks like to me (you can let me know if this makes sense to you ritoky) is that 27nb was trying to protect her scumbuddy batsnacks by throwing away her vote on ritoky. Once it became clear there was a counterwagon, in fact, the instant things get tied up at 5-5, 27nb suddenly decides that she wants to be relevant and votes me for unclear reasons.
so basically she's bailing out batsnacks instead of opting out of the discourse by voting you.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 04:44 Damdred wrote:
BH, if you would I left a few questions for you in my filter that you have not gotten to yet. Could you look over them and answer some of the things you haven't answered yet for me?
Also BH any other reads on the other cells yet?
Sure, I'll respond. Besides the 27nb read I'm still working. I'm focusing on they next two cells.
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Blazinghand
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I'm here, I'm replying to damdred's question. I've put a scumread on 27nb, and i'm trying to form a scumread on cell D.
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Blazinghand
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Damdred, i'll lay out my townread on ritoky and my scumread on batsnacks for you real quick, but i'm mostly focusing on the 2 cells following this one right now because after the lynch I won't be able to add more info to the discussion so I gotta get this out while I can. What's funny is, I have the false memory of explaining the ritoky scumread but I can't seem to find it in my own filter so i'll lay it out.
As scum, if you do something like make a colored bunch of cells or whatever like ritoky did (ie, mostly out of the blue, serious, not tongue in cheek or trolling, not copying someone), and try to play it straight, you pay a lot of attention to how you do it. You are trying not to scumslip, trying not to get lynched, etc. You pay attention to details. You're serious about it, or, you're obviously trolling about it and trying to throw town off. Ritoky was neither of these. he was serious about the contents and his analysis, but he was lightheartedly swapping the colors around and stuff as people pointed out problems (problems a scum player would hide to avoid scumslipping, a scum player would always proofread). Ritoky wasn't stressed, he was playful. This is not how a scum player would be in this situation.
RE the batsnacks scumread, basically beyond what I've already said about his usefulness and fake usefulness, he isn't feeling what I'm feeling, which is a need to leave behind reads for the rest of the game. If he's scum, his goals end with this lynch. He just wants to lynch me or ritoky. If he's town, the game continues and his reads will be important (rather than ignored). He's not trying to develop them or leave behind a legacy. He's just yelling at people and being an ass and not contributing.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 05:41 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you guys have any questions for me feel free to ask batsnacks of BH? Well if he's wrong about one of us he's wrong about both of us.
Technically he could just be wrong about me if by some weird situation ritoky was scum, which isn't something you should rule out so casually given what you've said about ritoky. I don't think ritoky is scum though, you're scum.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia.
I'm guessing he's talking about the larger one above it explaining why batsnacks is scum
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia. I'm guessing he's talking about the larger one above it explaining why batsnacks is scum but to me your argument for why he is scum is primarily a POE argument. from your perspective you cannot be scum, and then you basically eliminate me as a possibility; thus batsnacks. you do give some mild justification, but nothing that i would call "quite convincing". so i am interest how this mother is so convinced by a primarily POE argument that hinges on knowing BH is town.
oh! you think he's the scum in group D? It's clearly not damdred, but I'm having trouble pinning down which of NRHF or YM would be scum. I like NRHF for his reason for voting batsnacks, which seems consistent with "trying to catch scum", I guess, especially when he could have saved on me. I can't think of a better case on YM than "he isn't really posting" though, and I know that won't convince anyone. He evin remains consistent on whether or not my plan as mayor was good
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Blazinghand
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I should note, by the way, that I'm reasonably sure that Damdred is town. He immediately jumped in with questions for me and didn't let them slide (the follow-up is something town does more than scum). Honestly, given the three in group D, we'd have to be pretty stupid to lynch Damdred. So yeah, I'm trying to find some heuristic to distinguish NRHF from YM. I might just skip this group and provide thoughts on group B or C instead and just provide a provisional scumread.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I should note, by the way, that I'm reasonably sure that Damdred is town. He immediately jumped in with questions for me and didn't let them slide (the follow-up is something town does more than scum). Honestly, given the three in group D, we'd have to be pretty stupid to lynch Damdred. So yeah, I'm trying to find some heuristic to distinguish NRHF from YM. I might just skip this group and provide thoughts on group B or C instead and just provide a provisional scumread. how do you feel about him voting on you and his reasoning behind it?
It's entirely in-character for him. I am reasonably sure that he's just not [i]really[/] aware that I've been moving, and he also hasn't posted since I responded to his question. He seems worried about a dogpile on bats but of course was not there in the moment for the massive dogpile on me. It's quite different to read filters and to play the game. In any case, just by asking me questions, following up, and taking a stance, he's done much more to show he's trying to solve the game than his other two cellmates. I don't like it, and he's wrong, but that doesn't make him scum.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:30 Amiko wrote:
Back in thread should be here through deadline.
@Blazinghand:
Can you share your read on WaveofShadow?
I'm interested in this because he seemed more persuaded by the pregame-ingame inconsistency with your cell ordering.
Absolutely, I'll look into him right now. Immediately springing to mind are his inconsistencies about why he's voting or not voting me, so I'll read his filter.
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Blazinghand
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by the way, since I'm only around for another 20 minutes, any other last minute requests for reads should happen now so I have time to reply
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Blazinghand
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OK, so you all know that my chief scumread for E is 27nb. I'm going to add a slight FoS on wade though based on his actions near the end of this day. I don't like his silence nor do I like his vote on me. Ultimately, this is up for you to decide.
For D, my chief recommendation is "don't lynch damdred". The other two players need to be put under pressure, in my opinion starting right away so that by the time D rolls around there's something to talk about. As I said before, I don't have high hopes for D, but if it's in position 3 we might as well try to make the best of it.
For B, I would be surprised if HF was scum. I feel like he could have just left his vote on me and complained about me a lot and gotten me lynched, but he didn't. So I'm gonna actually say WoS is town here because of his back-and-forth on me, I think he's too calculating on scum to swap his vote around like that. He was actually changing his mind.
I don't like marv this game. I don't trust him. if he's voting on me cause he thinks I'm scum, where's the usual marv bluster? I'm glad his group was put on the last slot. if he refuses to lead, push him into a leadership position. Marv not leading isn't a scumtell, it's how he leads. There is no follower marv.
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Blazinghand
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hopefully those reads are helpful. gl and hf.
any last minute swappers, batsnacks didn't try to provide reads. think about it.
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Blazinghand
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