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@Professor Apathy & marvellosity:
On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.
On August 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now. i have nothing to add to this
What about batsnacks seems misguided?
Practically the only thing of substance I see from him is that he voted Blazinghand, who you also voted for.
How is it misguided if you agree with him?
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Btw, the fact that the post I put above on Blazinghand is super obvious and also 2 of the first 4 posts of his filter makes me think that the people who were voting for him didn't read his filter at all.
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@ritoky
What do you think of batsnacks?
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@bunnies: For the moment let's ignore the implications of BH reversing his cell ordering on his alignment (though it's something I'd like to come back to).
batsnacks, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, and Professor Apathy all voted for Blazinghand without really making an argument or noting the (what I think was fairly obvious) slip. Does this mean anything to you on their alignment?
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@bunnies:
Can you talk a little more about ritoky?
I don't have a great sense of the cell yet, but I think ritoky's posts (talking to/about Holyflare mostly) more than batsnacks' posts. I don't really have a sense of batsnacks from reading him yet.
Is the idea that serious ritoky = town, silly ritoky = scum? Or just that serious ritoky = town?
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EBWOP:
I think I like ritoky's posts (Talking to/about Holyflare mostly) more than batsnacks' posts.
(I don't feel that strongly about it though, I feel like neither has given much of substance to read through yet)
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@Not really holyflare:
What about batsnacks seems misguided?
Practically the only thing of substance I see from him is that he voted Blazinghand, who you also voted for.
How is it misguided if you agree with him?
@WaveofShadow:
Man you seem so down this game, every post makes me feel like you just lost to some hearthstone boss on heroic. I don't think your cell is solved (MM1 is not always towny when he's town, Blazinghand may be able to give some insight on this) but we can worry about it again a little later in the game.
You talked a little on ritoky & blazinghand. Any thoughts on batsnacks?
Thought on ritoky-
I'm just going to say that although Not really holyflare's post is the kind of thing that would normally make me think he's scum, I feel like knowing the player makes it not the case.
If I have to out who I am fairly sure he is a little later I will do so, but I do kinda like that ritoky picked up on that post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=33#657).
I'm out for a bit :3
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On August 29 2014 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol that's totally not a slip though amiko.
You never explained how his pregame stand is town favored and how his in game stand is scum favored.
You didn't do jack shit about showing how that contradiction makes him scum, just cherry picked something that 'looks' bad but actually isn't. Try harder for the mislynch please.
Everything you said here is pretty awful so I'll take a minute to address it-.
It doesn't matter whether his pregame stance is townfavored and his ingame stance is scum favored. Pregame he said one strategy was the best, but ingame he proposes the opposite.
I didn't say that made him scum, and I didn't vote for him. If you had read my next posts you'd see that I was looking at ritoky and batsnacks. It's something to bring up, see how BH responds, and then make reads accordingly.
If you found that post worth commenting on, why don't you weigh in on the way that batsnacks / marvellosity / WaveofShadow / Apathy voted for BH and their explanation (or lack thereof)?
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On August 29 2014 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I haven't even posted in this phase yet ritoky. Why so mad.
How is amiko attempting to get reads? He made up his mind already. With no conversation with any of the parties
Oh I meant to put this in the above post too, do you really think my last few posts (asking people about BH's post and about other players in Cell A) somehow indicates I've made up my mind already? :|
Anyway it's not worth spending much more time on you right now since we are D5 anyway
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On August 29 2014 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
@amiko
Where do you get that I'm 'down' from my posting? Also what exactly would that make me if I were, and why?
As far as batsnacks goes, guy is likely town. Acting like an idiot in the face of everybody likely thinking you're scummy and/or dumb is way more often a towny trait. Despite the stubbornness.
You seem mopey and not too engaged from your posts. Like, you seemed to feel the mayor phase was really tiresome and didn't seem to engage (ex: although you were asking people to vote for you I don't think you ever really discussed ordering even jokingly?) despite posting a couple times through the phase.
I didn't really intend to use your mood for a read though, I just felt like you wanted to play but didn't feel into it so I wanted to see what you thought on some of the D1 and you had already commented a little on BH/ritoky but nothing on snacks. Since I have no particular read on batsnacks yet I was curious.
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@bunnies:
It's been so long since I've ridden a bike I don't think I can give you any guidance for the tires :D
I don't really like Apathy/Marv's vote on BH because I don't really understand the "misguided" comment at all.
It doesn't really make much sense to me when
(1) batsnacks votes Blazinghand
(2) Apathy + marv say batsnacks is [u]misguided[u], then vote for Blazinghand
And when reading batsnacks I didn't really see what there was to be misguided (or correctly-guided) about in his non-crazy posts.
I get what you are saying about PA voting HF for mayor then seeing HF as mafia, but those two things honestly feel kind of unrelated to me. I voted for HF, but it wasn't because I felt he was more town, it was more because the order he provided seemed more likely to get two things I was hoping for him (E first, C fourth).
It doesn't matter much now, but in retrospect I think voting for a player that gives potential choices (such as indicating they may pick one of two choices) rather than a firm ordering is bad for town... but that's a lesson to try to remember in Cell 4, I guess.
If ritoky has always been town in forums I'll probably focus more on just this game from him to try to get reads.
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Oh that's simple-
Four people voted on BH - (1) batsnacks, (2) apathy, (3) marv, (4) you.
I don't feel I'll get too much from talking to (1) batsnacks (given that his rationale was VOTE BH GAME EZ).
I questioned (2) apathy & (3) marv because I don't feel their rationale makes sense (I don't see how they see batsnacks as misguided)
I asked (4) you about your rationale because you actually discussed ritoky and BH a little in your post, so I wanted to know your thoughts since you indicated you had decided between the three and hadn't given an explanation of a player I can't read yet (batsnacks).
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On August 29 2014 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 12:45 Amiko wrote:On August 29 2014 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol that's totally not a slip though amiko.
You never explained how his pregame stand is town favored and how his in game stand is scum favored.
You didn't do jack shit about showing how that contradiction makes him scum, just cherry picked something that 'looks' bad but actually isn't. Try harder for the mislynch please.
Everything you said here is pretty awful so I'll take a minute to address it-. It doesn't matter whether his pregame stance is townfavored and his ingame stance is scum favored. Pregame he said one strategy was the best, but ingame he proposes the opposite. I didn't say that made him scum, and I didn't vote for him. If you had read my next posts you'd see that I was looking at ritoky and batsnacks. It's something to bring up, see how BH responds, and then make reads accordingly. If you found that post worth commenting on, why don't you weigh in on the way that batsnacks / marvellosity / WaveofShadow / Apathy voted for BH and their explanation (or lack thereof)? Come on dude, Show nested quote +Btw, the fact that the post I put above on Blazinghand is super obvious and also 2 of the first 4 posts of his filter makes me think that the people who were voting for him didn't read his filter at all. this post obviously means that you think its scummy and that hes scum. You are just avoiding taking a stand because its 'suspicious'. In fact, your pussyfooting around the lynch is really weird considering you appear to have made your decision and are just waiting for the right time and feel to vote. Or want to wait for a better candidate to appear. Again this. Show nested quote +batsnacks, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, and Professor Apathy all voted for Blazinghand without really making an argument or noting the (what I think was fairly obvious) slip. Does this mean anything to you on their alignment? You think that the slip is a reason to vote for BH. Therefore the slip is scummy. You maintain the stance that you dont really know who is scum. Inconsistent.
The inconsistency from Blazinghand is a reason to vote for him. But it's not the only thing I'm thinking about and I certainly didn't conclude 100% scum from that post.
Btw, here's another post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=130#2582) which is a bit similar - in that game I'm town, I point out phrasing by hopeless1der that looks like a mafia slip in the context of the game. However, I do not find him the most scummy player and instead nuke kitaman27. I point this out because the context is the same (someone does something that seems like a blatant slip, but I do not put a ton of reliability on it... I even used the same :| face).
Anyway there's more I have to say about BH, I'll do that in a minute
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@BlazingHand
Why do you seem so upset about town not following your proposed lynch order when the order selected is almost the same as your proposed lynch order?
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@WaveofShadow:
On August 29 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think apathy or marv are scum?
On August 29 2014 14:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
If marv's was a defence then it's purely chainsaw because he barely makes mention of MM1 at all. So yes, intriguing I suppose especially since he took back the 'bolded' comment after.
As far as amiko I read him pretty strongly as town so far, though I should ask (if you're still here amiko)---you seem to have more to say regarding MM1 than anyone else so far especially since you're not even in his cell. What's the deal with that?
I don't actually feel like I have said (or have much) to say on MM1 yet - basically, I just feel like he'd be the easiest target in your group because he doesn't scream town when he's town. Since there was sentiment that your cell was solved, I wanted to point out that it may not be so easy. I haven't actually reviewed MM's games though, so what Holyflare was saying regarding his posting style may be correct, I probably won't look at MM's history until later in the game though.
I mention this because I figure that among marv & oats, I'd think they'd be more likely to try to mislynch me than each other since I have less experience in the game. And, if they remember any experience with me, the only game we played together, Catastrophe, I did not appear towny at all (to be fair, it wasn't in my interest to appear towny).
That said, oats' post on me feels more scummy since he seems to be misconstruing my comments in a way to present me as mafia. If I had to pick right now, I'd say oats is the scum in our cell.
As for apathy, I'm really not sure but I had a pretty good feeling on him D1 despite some posts that I disagreed with (putting Cell E at the end, for example). For Cell E, I think I need to talk to bunnies more to get a good sense of her.
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On August 29 2014 17:06 Holyflare wrote:
Amiko whenever you return: why were you questioning my order like it was something i changed when I've pasted the order I'm doing several times over? Also it's the order you were originally ok with iirc (maybe a and d were switched which would be even weirder).
I feel like your questions don't really lead to anything alignment indicative, especially as I'd already elaborated why i did the order i did. Is there something you were looking for?
I was disappointed because there were essentially two choices you left open for yourself (Spot 1/2 as E or A, Spot 4/5 as C or B) and you picked the order I didn't want in both cases. This doesn't make me think you are scum, but it made me consider that electing a mayor who leaves options open in a vote is not town favored - IMO the mayoral election should essentially be voting for an order, not voting for a person, but leaving some things to your discretion make it more voting for a person.
That said, I agree it probably doesn't lead anywhere alignment indicative and to be honest I don't care about it that much right now anyway.
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On August 29 2014 21:48 marvellosity wrote:Amiko, why don't you care that I called you mafia twice? 
I tend to ignore people who call me mafia if they don't give me any reasons. I guess you are not scumreading me right now, but I mean looking at the reason you gave WoS (my posts bored you) I think it's good I didn't waste the time.
sry got busy will post more in a couple hours
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Back in thread for a while-
@Oats - Re: whether scum!Blazinghand gives up
I skimmed his filter in the games where he was lynched D1-
(Mafia) In "I'm a Cop You Idiot Mafia" (filter) I think he did, pg 2-4 of his filter basically came across as saying screw you town. In that game, his attitude seems to be that his lynch is a sure thing.
Compare to (Town) Aperture 2 (filter) where he often states that he won't be the lynch and defends.
In (Town) Noir (filter) he was town and thought he was being counterclaimed by mafia. I feel like he wasn't as defiant about getting lynched, but it makes a little more sense because he was assuming that he was trading 1-1.
I only looked at the ones where he was lynched D1, don't know about if he gave up when lynched later.
Anyway from a meta-view I feel it is more consistent with scum giving up and being angry at town than town. It's certainly possible to he's moving, but with over a day left until the lynch it seems to me like it's too early to have thrown up his hands.
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@Blazinghand:
It's hard to trust the idea that things just happened to fall on two inconvenient days when it seemed like you weren't being that attentive to the thread earlier (and due to not mentioning it) - for example
On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
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I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day. However, this statement intrigues me. Why do we have a guaranteed scum lynch in C?
(fyi this was from mayoral election day not lynch day so the first sentence is probably just missing a "not")
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