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I will probably be here for deadlines but I have way less time than in the last weeks. Will commit a couple of hours a day to the game but probably only in the evening (eu). | ||
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So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown. On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote: It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia. I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early? Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: Jat ..really didn't like his one content post. Very lazy usage of meta is not what I'm used to seeing from jat. What are you used to see from me then? Meanwhile I will tell you what I am used to see from you when you are mafia: weak cases on me. I don't think my meta usage is weak at all. Feel free to disagree but if you attack my reasoning you will have to explain whats wrong with it. On August 04 2014 20:32 Holyflare wrote: obi being very mafiaish though I agree. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:45 HaruRH wrote: Its just a random question im posting to marv. I can see that, thanks. What are you trying to achieve here? What do we gain? You 2 aren't talking about actual things. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote: Neither are we gaining anything from you asking me what my pointless question is trying to achieve Now tell me your scumreads. List them. I'll read them tomorrow when I wake up. Irrelevant. As for my scumreads: Obi is high up there. You aren't looking too good either. Maybe Kush. I think that's pretty clearly in my filter. Who do YOU think is scum? | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:59 marvellosity wrote: why kush? Because he scumread me for using meta without any reasoning and when I questioned him about it he just avoided me. Also it's kushs thing to do as mafia to make some half ass case on me day1. TL Noir is one example and I am pretty sure there was another game he did that. | ||
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Who would you like to lynch? | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:12 kushm4sta wrote: another shitty out of your ass meta. nice I bolded the part you ignored twice now for your convenience. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:13 marvellosity wrote: well, I do know about that. the PM game? that was over a year ago, with quite a few mafia games in between. dunno about artanis, my vote feels ok there for now though, maybe it'll give him an itchy ass. Poofter as mentioned before. I was randomly scum for what? Joining in the hilarious early policy giggles? Weak. Many nulls who could be mafia. Tis early. Over a year ago? It can't have been that long... Could you elaborate on Artanis or is this pure policy? | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:15 marvellosity wrote: Also I am like 2 billion percent town right now. Because you actually posted this game? lol | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote: na, I'm bothering to play. That basically makes me confirmed town. Suck my beautiful penis <3 No, thanks ^_^ I would imagine that you would bother to play as title defender. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote: well you can resist the inevitable truth as long as you like, you'll finally accept that it's true eventually. just gotta keep your pride I guess. If we lynch mafia together today I will. Maybe. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote: @ JAT: I would say that you should have by now realized that me "defending" Haru wasn't intended as defending Haru but simply saying that I didn't agree with the arguments HF was using, which was that huge focus on the -1 +1 part. I preferred to focus on Haru saying he was null on WoS, so maybe he didn't really think that math through properly but just wanted to express in a weird way he was null on WoS. But you definitely did defend him by doing so, didn't you? And I don't neccessarily like this explanation better because I think what HF was doing there was pretty pro town. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:21 kushm4sta wrote: Im not avoiding you. At that time I was doing stuff and I had a lot of other shit to talk about. Why is your use of meta weak? Let me imitate it. I remember so and so acting like this in that game, and he is/isn't acting like that in this game, so therefore I town/scum read him That's the template for shit meta. What am i used to from you? Why would I tell you how to act town? Ok I will because I'm nice and I already know you're scum. More engagement in this game, less bringing up comparisons to previous games I don't see how using meta is scummy in any way. I also think I am pretty engaged in this game. And you STILL did not bring up WHY what I said is weak. You just generally shit on meta. I compared Obi and GKs play to their last game I just played with them. How does that not make sense? | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:26 Vivax wrote: No, I didn't defend him, I proposed a view of his play that wasn't focused on the -1 + 1 thingy. It's not the first time he uses stuff like that as a way to bring his point across and so far it never made sense to others. It simply isn't something I would use in my attempt to read him. I defended him for myself maybe, if he believe what HF's says or what I say is ultimately up to them. Ok, whatever. Carry on. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:50 marvellosity wrote: he was scum in the original abandoned LXIV game hosted by LSB And kush was my scumbuddy btw. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Jat, why is it that you hate my entrance into this game? You hated my entrance into game-that-shall-not-be-named as well. I did not hate your entrance then. I thought you were overcompensating (you may have been, you may haven't been) which I initially read scummy but as the game went on I changed my mind about that -> thought you were town. Now you act differently. And we really should not keep talking about ongoing games. | ||
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Any conclusions? | ||
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On August 05 2014 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We shouldn't lynch WoS, he's confirmed town. I thought I was clear on this. It is really getting old. | ||
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On August 05 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote: also, going against the grain is what mafia do when someone is under fire so early in the game it's the old "you were right when nobody else was" heuristic, regardless of that I want haru to actually put some reads into this game because whether you like it or not and no matter what other people say his reads are entirely superficial and contain no information that has happened within this game This is the key point here in my opinion. | ||
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On August 05 2014 04:38 Eden1892 wrote: mk, i disagree but we have time to sort it out. no worries hombre hey justanothertownie r u just another townie cuz ur just another townie who aint done anything memorable 2 me hey eden I am just another townie and u r just another guy who aint got good memory | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's either devil-may-care or angry. I can do either but angry kinda sucks and it tires me out. I prefer goofy, tbh. It makes me unlynchable. Bold words. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:54 Vivax wrote: I did. I said that you only tried to put things from a scummy perspective that doesn't really seem to consider if he is indeed scum, cause there are also townie explanations for the behaviour. Hell no. I swear you used at least 1000 % more words than this. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Does cab do this as scum? Is this why people do nt like him Are you fully caught up? You seem confused. Did your read on Haru change/evolve somehow? | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:58 marvellosity wrote: I just wanted to know where it was going, or more specifically where Vivax was going I guess. No, I didn't get anything in particular from whatever it was. Lame but not surprising. | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:06 marvellosity wrote: it's my mission in life to disappoint you, babe  good for nothing | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He wasn't annoying in Titanic either and he was town. Was he? Didn't follow that game closely. Only thing I noticed was Koshi owning marv and HF. | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also I don't remember Haru being annoying in Order, so you might have to walk me through that one. He constantly martyred and used sarcasmus against people accusing him. I don't think we would have lynched him without this attitude. Was the mislynch I regret the most. | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I...Don't recall that being how that played out. Also, I'm pretty sure Haru wasn't actually annoying in Order. I think that mostly stemmed from him not knowing how to react properly to the accusations being flung at him. Maybe it's just because I'm interpreting his play differently from you. I just don't see it. Also, Eden, I'm not giving you reads because it's not going to matter if I give you reads or not. It's not going to matter what I give you because you have no idea how to interpret the information that I would give you anyway, so it's a waste of time trying to pressure me. No offense, but I don't really have a whole lot of faith in your ability to read me. Though I do think you're town, so I guess that counts. Make of that what you will. Well maybe you were not annoyed with him. I certainly was. Whatever, we are beating a dead horse with this Haru stuff. Let's see what he does next. | ||
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Yeah, I still don't feel the poofter townieness... | ||
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On August 05 2014 07:34 kushm4sta wrote: jat cause eden looks so town. thats why i, personally, dont care. so you caring doesn't mesh with my townie perspective on the game. i care about you caring because you do not look so town to me. I may change my read on you when I actually put some time into filters later tonight. Oh, I think Eden is pretty damn towny and I did so pretty much from the start of the game. I just wanted to know if he has a good reason to think they are town. | ||
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On August 05 2014 07:43 Eden1892 wrote: i don't have anything that would really convince others and i'm not very concerned with it atm because i don't ~think~ either of them are seriously being considered anyway i would much rather pick from the five i'm indifferent about. any thoughts on them? Yeah, this JAT guy seems pretty town. | ||
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Of your list of 5 I think Artanis/Obi are the best lynches right now. | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:49 Holyflare wrote: You make me happy in my special place for mentioning vivax because i wanted to but didn't want him to go full retard for me doing it You fail as a philosopher. | ||
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On August 05 2014 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Jat why do you want to lynch me when we had the same two top scumspects in Obi and Haru? I find that really bizarre. Because you refuse to do shit. Also I am starting to come around on Obi for some reason. | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:55 Eden1892 wrote: do you have a memorable opinion on anything this game Chill dude I am working on it. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:18 Tehpoofter wrote: My play is normally good? I think I'm pretty bad at forum mafia tbh. Don't like this post at all. Downplaying himself. Scummy. On August 05 2014 11:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, a bunch of people are calling me mafia and not a whole lot of people are pressuring me. Like, for a near universal scumread I'm being left alone kind of a lot. I find that really strange. I somehow think this post is towny. On August 05 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: It's a 100% legitimate heuristic that people that do shitty catch up post by post after saying they are around and reading/catching up hours before are mafia Depends on the way they do it. But you are correct poofter reminds me somewhat of DPs catch up in one of the Titanic games. On August 05 2014 12:28 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm going back to reading and getting some food. HF why am I 100% mafia can you not see anything town in what I've done. Nobody is scummy in everything he does. What is this question even supposed to do as town? On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote: Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space. ##vote: tehpoofter Although I don't like poofter I hate this post. It doesn't show a towny thought process because scumreading poofter for the vote thing of all things is so lazy and weak. On August 05 2014 13:36 gobbledydook wrote: 1) Haru: It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru. 2) Obi: Null read atm, he's played similarly to when I saw him in Noir Mini 2, and he was town in that game. He hasn't particularly stood out as towny though so that's why I have a null read. 3) Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him. 4) The meaning of life: 42. No hard stances here. He is letting his options open. Scummy. | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:09 Holyflare wrote: Well he was all over the place in that game so it was quite obvious. Here he's made some pretty bogus read on posts about haru +1-1 post that didn't exist and then it's like he's stuck in a time warp of the first few posts of the game. He pops back to ask more about the same things and asks opinions but isn't pushing anything despite saying he has scum reads. Just drops a i scum read wave, discuss post and goes away for long time. Hm, this is actually really true. It is too bad that there are games that aren't finished btw. | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:14 marvellosity wrote: The metric so far suggests mafia -> null, if you're interested :p Will you ever reveal THE METRIC? | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:24 marvellosity wrote: still reading the thread (i got distracted ranting+talking), maybe it does, yea. Dno. Tough lynch this one. Maybe you can explain it to me then because I don't really see it. But just catch up first. | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote: i might do a list in a minute so we have something to work from/disagree with. Ok, my break is over in ~ 10 minutes. Until then I am willing to discuss. | ||
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Eden I agree on and goodkarma too I guess. I think HF is pretty town. Not so sure about Obi and Haru although Obi looked better recently. Maybe you can go into more detail about your Haru read. I don't understand a townread on him. Wave is indeed hmmm and gobblys return has been pretty scummy. I agree on Artanis and maybe on Vivax but I would probably need to reread him because I have to admit that I didn't read his posts that closely after some point. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:27 HaruRH wrote: I realised I missed justanothertownie. Jat I still don't see anything memorable from him. I even forgot him because of how dispensable he is this game. I'll stick him at the bottom of middle earth, but slowly slipping into scumville. You remember Vivax doing shit but not me? Like what? | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:28 marvellosity wrote: Artanis is fighting a hell of a lot more now than last time I/we lynched him d1 as mafia. This has to be a joke. On August 05 2014 21:46 marvellosity wrote: it's not annoying me that your vote is on me, it's annoying me that your vote is not on someone you think is mafia, which, if you're town, makes you completely fucking incompetent. And after how you assessed yourself on Skype as town, I don't think you're going for "completely fucking incompetent" And even if your brain is being retarded, I don't know why you'd willingly play the game in a shit way. Sort it out buddy. Explain? On August 05 2014 21:51 kushm4sta wrote: eden did you not see what marv said? last time he was scum he let town kill him without putting up a fight. That is metaevidence that he gives up as scum. So why are you townreading him for it? So if marv uses meta it is ok with you but not if I do? | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:35 marvellosity wrote: why are they not legit scumreads when all your scumreads are the same? I was about to write this. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:40 marvellosity wrote: He said he considered himself one of the strongest active townies in TL Mafia. lol, ok. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:40 gobbledydook wrote: To those who are saying im suspicious: Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. I missed this post. He stops by only to tell people "no I am not suspicious". Don't like it. Who do you think should be lynched? | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:55 kushm4sta wrote: itt artanis sheeps/buddies marv, gangbangs haru Pretty much. But if Artanis is scum then that is not why because attacking Haru for those lists is absolutely warranted. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But I have different reasons for scumreading haru than marv does and voted him before he did. Marv showed a stronger inclination to lynch Vivax first. But you didn't really push it before marv started to. Now that he is on it you suddenly start to question Haru. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, it was after Gobble that I did. Which was basically at the same time? | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had already indicated Haru was my top scumread, so it's not really relevant. Yes, it is. You did indicate it earlier but you only started pushing and more importantly questioning when they started to. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really don't see how it's alignment indicative. I went to do other things, saw that Haru came back into the thread and started pushing him as he did more scummy stuff. It just feels so convenient for you. Whatever, I will drop this only because Haru is scumming so hard right now. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:15 HaruRH wrote: Amyway I got 10 minutes to answer any questions before I head off for bed. Ama. Did you ever give an answer as to why gobble is scum for having the same scumreads you have? This is such a glaring contradiction. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote: He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. | ||
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I am out for a while. Will be back in a few hours. | ||
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I thought you townread Haru? Wut? On August 06 2014 03:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: A legitimate thing to go after him, but I don't think gd is a really good vote. I feel like he's just being clumsy and people are kind of picking him apart. I've seen his scumgame first hand, but I don't really feel like this is it. Honestly, I think most of it stems from how he dealt with the Artanis wagon. Last game he was mafia, he went out and piled onto lynches for the worst reasons (going after me for randomly voting, then pushing Robik really hard because BH RNG'd him, etc) so I don't really see him letting Artanis off the hook when people are still strongly considering him today's lynch. Where have you been all the time? This posts is so wishy washy... On August 06 2014 03:14 Vivax wrote: Anyway Obi, you think we should let go of him to go after marv or what is your current objective? This is seriously getting annoying. We are not lynching marv today. On August 06 2014 03:27 Tehpoofter wrote: Back for like an hour b4 work seems we need to find a majority somewhere let's do it. First I read from last night Captain obvious is here. Without any meaningful help to find a majority of course. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:26 Holyflare wrote: JESUS FUCK YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE +1-1 THING SO MUCH LATER WHEN I NEVER EVEN MADE A SCUM READ BASED ON IT. The time warp is real. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:42 Vivax wrote: So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched? It completely skips over any post analysis. There are some more logical problems with it. 1) If the wagon still has steam maybe he didn't want to be on a mislynch wagon? 2) I don't think anything was settled at that point in time. Artanis is giving the unvote way to much weight. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:47 Eden1892 wrote: who the fuck are we lynching today? I thought you wanted to decide that? | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He went to bed, and with his timezone I believe it. The point is that people are defending him. Like Vivax is. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:52 kushm4sta wrote: jat why would you assume I read haru as scum because i ask someone why they are townreading him I don't assume that. I assume that you read him town because you fucking said so and I don't understand why you are asking a townread of yours this question. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:14 Eden1892 wrote: By the same logic I'd also be okay killing: - justanothertownie - ObiWanJabroni However I don't think any of those lynches are viable at this point. And honestly of those two I think in terms of raw preference I would only go for Cav over Haru, JAT doesn't seem like he's surrendering thread presence by choice nearly as much. By what logic? Huh? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:18 Eden1892 wrote: you're not pushing a lynch or really doing anything to influence the thread direction that I can see I'm not going after you today in all likelihood no worries I don't care about you going after me but I sure as hell did influence this threads direction today wtf. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because I'm lazy and this game is comprised of a bunch of tryhards who want a belt. That is one explanation... | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Let's kill a lazy person over a scummy person. #teamliquid What scummy person are we killing you over? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:39 marvellosity wrote: also we aren't lynching obi, that's a red herring. You still set on Vivax? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:45 Vivax wrote: He wasn't bullshitting at all, the transition from Artanis scum to Artanis town cause of a few cranked out posts felt unnatural to me as well. Are you kidding? He wasn't bullshitting when he called gobble scum for having the same reads he had? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:46 kushm4sta wrote: this is not a reliable scumtell for so many reasons Even if this was true it is definitely a bullshit tell. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:49 Vivax wrote: Last time I checked I saw this: He LITERALLY called him scum for having those "bad" reads. He even named them. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:54 kushm4sta wrote: jat, i dont get why you are so strung up on that. haru thought the METHODS behind the reads were scummy. the reads themselves were early so ofc scum could be busing or his reads could be straight up wrong. Yeah? I don't get how you can't see how blatantly scummy that is. It is like he just forgot his "scumreads". | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This reminds me of someone, namely you. We've had pretty similar scumspects throughout the game (Haru, Obi at the start and Haru, Poof later on) yet I've been (one of) your top scumspects as well. What's up with that? The deciding difference here is that I did not call you scum for having those reads. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:38 Tehpoofter wrote: The wagon of justice on Goobly was more pure but I'll settle for 2nd top kill today... I just wish I was banging more people on this wagon ##unvote ##Vote Haru Since you keep saying this: who are the people you aren't banging? | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well my vote doesn't matter anymore, and I don't even feel like this is a great lynch. Do you have a better one? | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Everyone just acknowledging that vivax lied, isn't talking about updated/relevant/truthful stuff and doesn't read haru while attacking others and then just ignores it. Niceee I don't think we can realistically lynch him at this point. | ||
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Vivax or WoS? | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote: By the way my general policy with HF is to ignore everything he says unless I feel confident he's scum, and even then I don't talk to him but only push him. Just in case you were wondering. This policy must be new. I remember you throwing ungodly amounts of words at him earlier. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Vivax. WoS basically told us he wasn't going to be around at deadlines already so I don't really care that he isn't here. Shit happens. Ok. Carry on. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:47 marvellosity wrote: i could literally lynch vivax right now You will have to make up your mind sooner rather than later. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote: Yeah marv vote me. Show your sick scumhunting skills to the game and let them see how my stuff came from confirmed town. This is so dumb. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:51 Holyflare wrote: Boom let's do it Ok, I am down but be ready to switch back if we don't get enough people. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm really worried this'll head on to a no lynch. Just be ready to switch to Haru I will be too. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me. We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now. What are you talking about? Bandwagons are NOT guaranteed to kill town. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Last-minute easy flips like this one? Are you serious? Absolutely! | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:44 gobbledydook wrote: This is also the reason why I think last minute switches are retarded, you just don't give enough time for town to think through that choice and emotional pushes on wrong targets are what mafias like and want to see. In my experience mafia are way more inclined to take their time and be wary of piling onto quick EOD wagons than townies. On August 06 2014 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I should go back and look at Shadow Game. I don't think it was Marv who started the D1 shenannies there though but he did go along with them. Maybe that's a bad example. bleh. It was completely different there. He did not start it and was basically forced to go along with it. Here he could have easily lynched Haru instead. On August 06 2014 12:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Just because I had problems picking between the first two targets doesn't mean I didn't have direction. I just couldn't make up my mind, and then town went and just fucking flipped because they thought Vivax was being an asshole. This is not why Vivax was lynched. On August 06 2014 13:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm super paranoid of Marv and Holyflare as well, though. Both of them had flat-out awful reasons for going after Vivax. No, just no. You said yourself that Vivax play was concerning. What the hell are you talking about? On August 06 2014 14:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That second quote doesn't say what you think it does, but I'll flesh it out. I already told you that Marv went after Vivax because Vivax was being an asshole. I think you and I both agree that that's dumb. I think the bigger issue is that Holyflare didn't like the fact that Vivax gave him answers about something, he ignored them, and then scumread Vivax for ignoring him. And then Marv agreed with him. And then everyone is somehow okay with that mislynch because they think Vivax was mean to them. STAHP. There are even more posts of yours with this line of reasoning. It is simply wrong and I hate how you are shitting on this lynch and the players on it without actually naming your suspects. | ||
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On August 06 2014 16:52 Eden1892 wrote: Regarding the other two, I can see Haru as a reasonable lynch, although he's second on the list for me after Obi. Haru feels a little more sincere to me. I could kill either but I want Obi first. I understand where you (and some others) have been coming from re: Poofter but I'm pretty sure he's town. Call it a gut read I guess, I don't even have scum priors so I can't really speak to much authority on this point, but he just seems too carefree to be scum. You look at the stuff that he's done like the BMK reads, and sure it's something scum could plausibly do, but I feel like it's not something scum think to do, if that makes sense. I could be projecting because I know I get super serious when I play scum, but it's just difficult to be relaxed and do silly shit like that when you're constantly trying to avoid scrutiny. Remember the boring tell you cited earlier? I don't think Poofter has been boring at all. I like your analysis and also your targets. I think Obi and Haru are really good lynches. I just don't agree with your poofter read. On August 06 2014 18:59 marvellosity wrote: i can't see a world where 1 of gobble/haru is not mafia. can't see that at all. Agreed. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:19 HaruRH wrote: I wanted to address this yesterday, but I was so down and busy trying to prove artanis is scummy that I didn't bother to. Eden, last time I fought the lynch, you personally attacked me so hard I nearly wanted to quit the game. Only the parity cop claim changed your mind. I also don't want to appease you, I don't feel the need to. I just need to play a game where I am not typing in all caps to prove a point. I am a fighter yes, but I am no fighter in d1. D1 haru is crap. So crap that any reads I make d1 are usually scumread (read: detention mafia, newbie mafia lvi) and the only time I survived d1 posting a read and push was during the most recent mafia game. Oh yes, I'll burn up when I have a conclusive read but people choose to push me instead. ^ this objective cannot be met if I literally cannot make reads d1. I have trouble buying this attitude as townHaru. | ||
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I just don't think you are the type of player who plays himself down as town after your performance in Order. I really don't. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:42 HaruRH wrote: Except that I was d1 scumread in 5/6 of my games. Make it 6/7. Maybe. I still doubt you would change your tone this drastically. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:43 kushm4sta wrote: Hey jat I have an idea..how about you don't make assumptions about his behavior you really can't make. How about I keep making assumptions the way I see fit. Did you play in Order/read the game? | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:45 justanothertownie wrote: How about I keep making assumptions the way I see fit. Did you play in Order/read the game? Ah yes, of course you did. Koshi shot you. If you paid attention in that game you would see that Harus attidude there was very different. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:19 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, i really think kush is town, and he's been pretty damn handy at catching mafia lately, and he seems really really convinced that gobble is mafia. it kinda feels like a leap of faith is called for. Why is it called for? I don't get it. You are perfectly able to think for yourself so do it. What is YOUR opinion on gobble? On August 07 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote: why not? if someone's in good form and is convinced someone is mafia, that's kinda compelling. i get tons of lynches through like that. sheeping good skill to have tbh. Sheeping IS a good skill. But you don't sheep blindly. On August 07 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote: I don't know, but I know that when I am totally convinced someone is mafia they always turn mafia, and kush has been finding mafia left right and centre recently, so his certainty has earned my vote. Being a good or competent townie isn't necessarily about doing shit yourself all the time. This does not mean he is right this game. I am not ruling gobble out as mafia but I really think Haru is more likely and if Haru is scum then gobble is most likely town. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:51 marvellosity wrote: How come you ask the most pointless questions in the universe? How come day2 hasn't even begun and you are already calling a leap of faith neccessary? | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:53 marvellosity wrote: Why are you joining Eden in the most-pointless-questions-in-the-universe race? Because I don't understand what you are doing. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote: it's perfectly clear. if you don't like it, fine, but asking me questions that have no relevance to anything isn't going to help either, is it. Let me rephrase. I understand what you are doing but I don't understand WHY. I don't know if it is going to help but I will still try convince you that this is horseshit. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:01 marvellosity wrote: why does it matter? are you going to scumread me for telling you to go away? if you are, go for it. if not, leave me alone. either situation means you stop asking me these mindnumbingly tedious questions. Whatever dude. I can't imagine that you will really act like this all day 2 so maybe we should all just stop this pointless argument. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:06 Eden1892 wrote: what? no make him fucking do something if he's town he won't act like this d2 because he'll be dead d2 That is true. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:09 Eden1892 wrote: if you understand what he's doing, feel free to spill it Well, it seems like he is sheeping his townread. What more can I say. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:12 Eden1892 wrote: you guys give people with reputation way too much leeway to be useless Marv hasn't been useless. He just told us that he might be somewhat useless in the near future. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:15 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, Eden can't possibly believe i'm mafia after my play so far this game, and he can't possibly believe i'm mafia for acting like a stubborn child. so he's basically just annoyed that i'm not doing what he thinks i should be doing, which is pointless. Pointless but very understandable. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:25 kushm4sta wrote: Eden, when you read that you thought Haru was saying that artanis is scummy for buddying scum? Maybe you actually have point here. But I don't think it is impossible to read it that way. | ||
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On August 07 2014 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: whatever i quit trying to read new list don't kill: marv hf kush me haru one jat might kill: poof wave would kill: gobble gk obi not in order I actually forgot gk is in this game. I would downgrade Onegu to might kill and Haru to would kill. Upgrade gobble and gk to might kill. You seem to be very impressed with Harus contributions today to change him from top scum to town.I don't really see that tbh. | ||
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On August 07 2014 04:15 kushm4sta wrote: And no, that's not a reason to scumread him, but it is a reason to not townread him for the shit people are townreading him for. Ok. Please tell me how to read HF then. | ||
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On August 07 2014 04:34 Eden1892 wrote: Sheep me he is scum Based Marv. Please give me thy blessing You will have to explain this to me. | ||
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On August 07 2014 04:37 kushm4sta wrote: eden how is this sheeping you when i've been saying he's scum since forever Truth. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:02 kushm4sta wrote: And what do you say to the theory that you backed off him because you thought it would look scummy to be pushing someone who looked so town? What? Haru did not look town at all. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:08 Eden1892 wrote: I've been sitting on it because I figured I could've found better. But I can't find something more convincing than my gut. Good enough though. Like my idol said: "I know I got to be right now Cause I can't get much wronger Man I been waitin all night now That's how long I've been on ya" Yeah, this is just not enough. I see no reason for HF to be scum (it is of course not impossible) and I don't understand how you suddenly came to this conclusion after your earlier analysis. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:14 kushm4sta wrote: a lot of people were saying haru looked townie today. most importantly hf said it. HF is saying we should townread him because he dropped his tunnel on haru when haru starting posting townie things. Except HF knows that as scum he would do the same thing, so he wouldn't defend himself like that as town. This doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:18 kushm4sta wrote: jat, hf's recent defense is like me saying "Im not scum because I scumread someone who flipped scum" I wouldn't use that as a defense as town because I know that I bus all the time as mafia. That might be true for you. I don't know if you can use this read for HF though. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote: Lynching HF tomorrow is a bit risky. there's better targets. I'm glad we're chill, Eden Who are those targets? | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Am super down for a gobble lynch. Way better than the Vivax lynch yesterday. An Obi lynch is inadvisable. Look marv you summoned something. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote: I kinda think an Obi lynch is inadvisable too Why? | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote: Tone I guess? He may not have been very useful but he hasn't sounded/seemed scared to post either. i should probably do a meta check at some point You don't take issue with how he didn't contribute to the lynch and afterwards shit on it? Without any concrete scumreads? | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:47 marvellosity wrote: this yoghurt is delicious Fascinating. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:47 kushm4sta wrote: jat, you have to understand obi's psychology behind his shit play. I have felt this way before, like I had nothing to add. Ok, that's cool. But what is towny about it? Can't he feel lazy as scum? | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote: It's more than just laziness. It's laziness because he feels like everyone is better than him (or trying harder than him). I feel like that is very genuine psychology that scum wouldn't think to go to. Ah, ok. I think scum could very well have the same mindset but you are maybe correct if you say that they probably wouldn't admit it. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:56 marvellosity wrote: it has a fruity flavour and a creamy texture, and only 100 calories. I am glad you shared this with the group. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm going to take a break before I address what you just said, because it gave me a rage-induced headache. Don't expect me back for a little while. rofl | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:00 marvellosity wrote: well you seemed so interested, so naturally i furnished a bit of detail. I expected nothing less. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:08 kushm4sta wrote: My point is that it's a uniquely townie mindset. What's the point of scumhunting if everyone is already doing it better than you? There's no reason for scum to think that. He certainly did not think that everyone was scumhunting better than him according to his comments on the wagons/the lynch. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:33 justanothertownie wrote: HF, who do you think is scum? And don't just say Onegu. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:36 Eden1892 wrote: K it didn't gg I hate armchair quarterbacks but it really needs to be said, the Vivax lynch was bad. I'm actually kinda amazed that Holyflare actually tried to defend himself with "If my arguments were so bad why'd they convince people to follow me?" when anyone who's been around mafia for a while knows that your arguments don't have to be good to be convincing. If they did scum would never win Arguments also don't have to be bad even if they are wrong. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:47 Holyflare wrote: No I'm just annoyed and all these people attacking me are making me rethink some things Ok, care to answer then? All you do is defending yourself. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, care to answer then? All you do is defending yourself. Sigh... | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:06 Holyflare wrote: I can't think about this right now and I'm evidently not dying now so I'll get back to it Fine. If you are town doing this well would be a much better defense though. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah to be fair to HF "you're just defending yourself now" is BS No, it's not. It is just a fact. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:16 Eden1892 wrote: No I mean Aite I might have misread you but what I mean is it looked like you were getting on his case for just defending himself like it's shady If I'm misreading, my bad You misread. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:24 gobbledydook wrote: I just want to ask you all a question. What are you going to do after you mislynch me? Does it help you at all? lol, what kind of mindset is this? | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:27 Eden1892 wrote: Thank you, Great Arbiter Of Discussion Please endow me with your Most Holy Wisdom and transcribe upon the arteries of my still-beating heart the names of Thy Three Scummiest Enemies Haru, Obi was up there but I am not so sure anymore - let's see what he has got to say when he comes back After that it gets harder. Gobble if Haru isn't scum maybe Poofter. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:37 Holyflare wrote: I think the fact that poofter hasn't been in any discussion whatsoever and the only real scum read he had was marv for voting early is a good indication of his alignment. That is the point. He isn't participating in this game. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:41 gobbledydook wrote: I won't even talk to you kush you are the most frustrating player I have played against. This reaction is really unwarranted. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote: Why have you just said this now when he's spent the past 5 pages on me? And how does he know without trying... | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:49 gobbledydook wrote: No that is not what I am saying. kush is in full retard tunnel mode I refuse to discuss with him. He's fucking trying to kill me. He refuses to consider any town motive I may have. Is there any point? Well, there are more people you could convince. Kush can't lynch you on his own. | ||
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On August 07 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote: Has gd just disappeared again?? Looks like it. | ||
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On August 07 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: GK and JAT have flown completely under the radar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of them was scum. WHen they post I seem to remember liking some stuff they say but then I can't remember any of it nor does it have any effect on thread direction or sentiment. If either is scum they're good scum. In before the post above was 'stiff' or 'manufactured' gg calling myself out before that horseshit is thrown at me again. I did not have effect on thread direction? I don't think Vivax would have been lynched without me. You can call me scummy for lynching a townie which would be stupid but saying I didn't influence this thread is just flat out lying. Don't like the bolded btw. On August 07 2014 10:50 gobbledydook wrote: fucking sheep ##vote gobbledydook since you want to lose so much I'll play along im so done Ok, listen if you are town. If you keep doing this we will lynch you. Just ignore what happened and play normally - people will consider what you have got to say. If you are scum just keep rolling over plx. On August 07 2014 11:02 Onegu wrote: So I am awake but busy for the next few hours, but I didn't want to say anything until after day post, but I am leaning toward a marv lynch ATM. Like he hasn't done much, led a mislynch day 1, and in a game with no medics and no chance to be saved wasn't shot. This just doesn't happen with a town marv, like maybe we can give him one more day to catch scum but it's really risky if he is scum as it gives him one more mislynch and a nk. I say kill him now. ##VOTE:Marv I have got an idea! How about you analyse his play?! You are telling us to lynch marv based only on the fact he is not dead on day2 (I admit that I would not shoot kush over marv as mafia but killing kush is valid even if marv is town because he was townread by EVERYONE). You are not even looking at anything he has done. If you want me to even consider marv as scum you will have to bring actual reasons to the table. I don't like you pushing this agenda after that nightkill. That said: It would be nice if the trolling phase was over now, marv. On August 07 2014 15:23 goodkarma wrote: @Wave: Super-long elaborate post for a... null read? U serious? Night all Yeah, I noticed that too. What does that post even accomplish? | ||
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On August 07 2014 18:27 Holyflare wrote: Poofter is probably the best of the best lynches btw I don't know if it is the best lynch but it certainly is a good one. | ||
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On August 07 2014 18:30 Holyflare wrote: Look he just returned from long bouts of afk to ask someone who his town reads are rather than contributing to anything or commenting on anything that happened at night He also didn't follow up on his "catching up" post. | ||
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On August 07 2014 21:10 gobbledydook wrote: so guys how about we lynch poofter I am down. On August 07 2014 21:39 Holyflare wrote: I can't honestly believe that a town haru would be happy with ppl scum reading me and not contributing to anything whatsoever when he knows his alignment and should be able to give the greatest insight to yesterdays lynch as possible I think many things Haru said don't look like town Haru but apparently I am the only one to think so. On August 08 2014 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: phoneposting atm will be home in !~2h so people had better be around to discuss Very good. You seem to always be in thread when I am sleeping. | ||
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On August 08 2014 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: thread needs to be less euro plz That is your opinion. And it is wrong. | ||
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On August 08 2014 01:06 Eden1892 wrote: To me Poofter's filter would be a coin flip, except that the fact that it would be a coin flip at this point means that it's not a coin flip I would expect a townie to have done more to distinguish himself by now That's why we should force him to do something. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote: You can't just call poofter a coin flip because if you actually read his filter you'd realise how unproductive it is. I'm going back to my heuristic and i don't care what you do in your town games or what onegu thinks about calling something 100% being scummy. I'm town get fucked. People that do catch ups and focus on asinine shit and make irrelevant posts while doing it are mafia. Until that's proven wrong it's 100%. His list reads contain no info, all i know id that he's scum reading marv because what? Fear? Failed to expand list reads. Returns from afk not caught up again and then asks for generic town reads instead. No involvement in the game. No care what happens, no follow us with anything. Reads not changing or evolving. You calling any of this a coin flip is terrible My opinion on the catch up thing: It is not scummy in itself. It depends how it is done. If someone makes a big deal of it (every comment a new post for example) and only comments on by now irrelevant stuff then that is fucking scummy and reminds me of Darthpunk. Poofter kinda did that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: You've been around today and I don't know who you want to lynch. Is it also Poofter? Do you agree with HF that Poofter is not a coinflip at all? How do you not know who I want to lynch? I have been very clear with that. Haru and Poofter. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: You've been around today and I don't know who you want to lynch. Is it also Poofter? Do you agree with HF that Poofter is not a coinflip at all? Poofter is only a coinflip if you are saying that lurky people are generally coinflips and I disagree with that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote: This pretty much but fine, clarification. Why does the afk thing not apply to Poofter exactly? Hm? If by afk thing you mean that lurkers are coinflips then I think it doesn't apply that often at all. Poofter did next to nothing to make this game move forward even when he was here. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:30 WaveofShadow wrote: No I was referring to this I am pretty sure HF already answered that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: But 'generally not an afk guy' doesn't mean he's scum when he IS afk. I feel like I should be convinced by now but I'm not. While that is true most people are less active as mafia and I know poofter has been gone missing for a while as mafia before. You should know too. YOSO. But the more important fact is that he did nothing with the limited time he was in the thread recently. | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:40 Tehpoofter wrote: It's tone and completely baseless it's just a feeling. Describe his tone please. | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:51 Tehpoofter wrote: Not very happy or energetic, unexcited to be defending his title. hes okay with leaving and doesn't have the same caution I see as town where he really pushes things. Not very happy? I came to the exact opposite conclusion. | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:00 Tehpoofter wrote: You think so? hmm I disagree  Just for the record even thuogh I think his tone is off he could just be having a shitty IRL day or something doesn't force him to be scum thus why I'm only talking about it because I was asked otherwise I'd have left it at my first comment. I asked you because this is important to me. The biggest part of my townread on marv is in fact his tone/jovial attitude (because I seriously doubt he would be like that as scum, let alone in his 3rd scumgame in a row) and I have no idea how you can get the exact opposite read. | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:03 Eden1892 wrote: fwiw it's not marv's third straight scum team i'm pretty sure It would be if he rolled scum. | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:11 Eden1892 wrote: no i mean even if he rolled scum he was town in melee mini unless he played 2 mafia games in the 3 weeks in-between? See? SEE? | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:15 Tehpoofter wrote: and you're telling me im bad at reading marv's wrong tone and you can't even tell that was eden calling him town.... You fail, sir. | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:19 Tehpoofter wrote: How? Marv just said it was the case with titanic/showdown??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I was right bitch! Read the whole exchange carefully and you will see your failure. On second thought though: No, don't do that. Do something useful instead. | ||
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On August 08 2014 05:12 Tehpoofter wrote: In case you guys didn't guess I'm at work now Yo WoS who you want to die today? I got your strong null read on goobly you seem to not like me so should I be the dead person? JAT Whats your read on the goobly dude? You think kushm16sta was the best kill last night? Goobly dude is pretty scummy. But I still have my doubts because I think Haru (who btw. also hasn't done anything in ages) might be even more scummy and I don't think they are together. I have no idea if kush was the best kill since I don't have all the information scum has. What a weird question. | ||
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On August 08 2014 05:45 Tehpoofter wrote: The meaning is do you think that kush was the most townie player in the game. Its a great question. One I asked myself about kushm17sta. Also glad you agree goobly is scummy. What makes Haru more scummy? His absence? Do you have a scale for me to rate his townyness on? Wtf. He was very towny and thus everyone townread him. If you don't know why I think Haru is scummy you have indeed not read this game. | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:05 Onegu wrote: Yeah Haru's Artanis vote and reason why are really bad, after just saying he doesnt make day 1 reads. At the same time like is seems too obvious. Really? You are going for the too scummy to be scum argument? | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: What are we gonna do about obi btw he's not playing Yeah, this is beginning to get concerning. He used a perfectly reasonable post of me to basically ragequit and I don't know if I buy that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote: I think its interesting to see what people think and I actually think its an uncomfy question for mafia to answer cause they know probably why and don't want to make up a reason or if they're proud of why they're eager to answer and look smart So what read did you gain by asking? | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:40 Tehpoofter wrote: For what Its worth I think the Obi lynch is dumpster tier. Explain. | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote: His ease of talking early on seemed townie to me. He didn't seem afraid to post day 1. He also wouldn't give us as much information as someone like Haru or Goobly. Haru being a wagon switched off late yesterday adn Goobly being my biggest scum read (::cough:: I'm totally not impartial ::cough: This hardly warrants you calling this lynch dumpster tier. Especially since you didn't even consider what Eden just said. | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote: will explain shortly, need to nip home and finish checking up. I really want to know what it is that could make you townread Haru. | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:58 marvellosity wrote: yes it is. if i don't want to lynch obi today, we ain't doing it. End of story. I am not talking about Obi. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:00 marvellosity wrote: oh Haru? Well my reasons are better than your reasons. Try get Haru lynched without me, he's town for now for me. You know damn well that I will not get him lynched if you push for a different target -.- Fine, today we do as you say but let it be known I think this is stupid. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:06 marvellosity wrote: i am not saying "you must lynch who i say" (although that is nice), i'm saying you should be able to understand the basic reasoning i've laid out. I definitely do understand it. It is not that hard. I am just not convinced that this outweights the way Haru has played so far. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:06 Tehpoofter wrote: Lawl this attitude cracks me up. "OK marv said we can't do it " hahaha. Why don't you represent your case Marv as I recall only counts for 1 vote. There is plenty of strong voices in the game. Although to be fair I liked marv's read on Haru and he could be right I just need to convince everyone goobly is the best lynch. This is not how this game works and you know it. Besides that I don't have any motivation to fight an in my eyes townmarv over one read. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:17 marvellosity wrote: I should have compared his meta to this game, but I hope that's kinda obvious what I'm getting at. It was already obvious when you started posting onegu meta snippets earlier. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:20 marvellosity wrote: am I the only one who doesn't care about the belt? I just want to win No, you are not the only one. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:26 marvellosity wrote: says the guy not bothering to vote. anyway we should lynch onegu. I like to complain what can I say. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:31 marvellosity wrote: let's not bother with the trifling detail that i have a sample of 1. That's what I figured. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:38 Tehpoofter wrote: Sorry I thought you might read what you quoted but I don't think I will I haven't played that well but I'm optimistic we haven't hit mafia yet so its still up for grabs! True. Especially if you are mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote: tbh if gobble and onegu are mafia, kush already won the belt. Correct. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:42 marvellosity wrote: i mean right now the two dead confirmed townies + marv + virtuallyconfirmedEden think Haru is town that should be enough for him for now. Ok, ok. Maybe you are right. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:45 marvellosity wrote: also I hard-townread you in YOSO after I read your filter. "there's 0% chance i'm lynching wave today" if you recall Alliance of trying people ftw. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:50 gobbledydook wrote: marv give me a reason why onegu is more likely to be scum than tehpoofter. Not just why he's scum, why we should lynch him before tehpoofter Oh god. I hate this post. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:59 gobbledydook wrote: Thanks. I just wanted to be sure why the case on onegu is stronger than the case on poofter. It looks 100% legit to me, I can see the obvious similarities with his mafia play before. ##vote: onegu Are you trolling us? | ||
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On August 08 2014 20:27 Holyflare wrote: Bored I was about to write something similar. | ||
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On August 09 2014 03:21 Onegu wrote: its not just my mind. Artanis even posted a diagram to find out if Marv is scum. Its what you go on with Marv because he is such a strong player. And you think this diagram is legit? | ||
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On August 09 2014 03:28 Eden1892 wrote: eh imma b hones id prolly follow it if i didnt feel like marv was obvtown Do you think it makes sense for Onegu not to feel the same way? | ||
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On August 09 2014 03:31 Onegu wrote: Ok is this what you expect from a Marv town game? Go read ## Mafia that I replaced into. He didnt catch with BS meta case. He caught with actual scum hunting. He asked questions to me and when I answered he asked more until he cornered me. There is none of that here. Its here is a meta case on a guy who hasnt played in 8 months, go get em. I have never seen a town Marv play like this. He isnt acrively trying to solve the game. Hes trowning things out there and hopeing they stick and then jokeing around. Unless he has changed this much in the time I have been gone. You know what's the problem with this logic? You are basing your scumread on his attack against you. But when he started doing so you already scumread him. | ||
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On August 09 2014 04:07 Onegu wrote: not sure about haru, why did you defend him about the +1/-1 thing though? Not this again. Please... | ||
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On August 09 2014 05:43 Onegu wrote: To bad WoS isnt around, I am very confident he is town. And think he could tell I am town also and talk some sense into you fools. What is your opinion on Obi, Haru and Poofter? | ||
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On August 09 2014 05:45 Onegu wrote: Ok but you have like a 40 page filter that game. You said like get off me onegu I am so town this game its obvious. Ill find it moment. Don't bother. HF probably said something like that. He probably also said similar stuff when he was town. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:03 Onegu wrote: Basicly my best guess at this point is goodkarma, as he has basicly been forgetable the entire game and never on anyones radar. Well, I have townreads on every single one of your 3 scumreads then (although gk really faded a little tbh). | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:08 Eden1892 wrote: out of curiosity (i mean it) why are y'all asking someone you think is scum for reads? Maybe you are better at this game than me but even if I think that Onegu is scum I don't know it. We have very little to go on with him. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:11 Onegu wrote: Null, he is someone you could switch with GK with future info. TBH I kinda put you in the same catagory. You have a largeish filter this game but much of it has been forgetable. Why do people keep saying this bullshit?! Maybe you can forget in peace when you are lynched. I also don't like how many nullreads you present us since you claim to have read the whole thread. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:14 Onegu wrote: JAT. If I flip town and Eden is shot N2 as many people have town reads on him. What is you thoughts on Marv? I don't think this is a likely scenario. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: well sure i just feel like if there were a realistic chance he flips town, the fact that ~no one~ is voting outside of him should be alarming... It is really not. Scum rarely defend their buddies against marv when he is going hard on them. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:17 Onegu wrote: I gave you 3 scum reads and 2 strong town reads. And most of my nulls are sayiing most likely town. I disagree with 3/3 scum reads and one of your townreads is at best one the weaker side for me. I am not impressed. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:17 Onegu wrote: ok I flip town and anyone but Marv is shot N2. Thoughts? Then I will reevaluate and see what he does day3 but I really doubt that I am wrong about marv. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:21 Onegu wrote: The fact the case on me is based on 8+ month old meta, should give you guys a slightly bigger feeling of the chance of me flipping town. Broken record. Why would your meta even change drastically? | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:28 Onegu wrote: Im not talking drasticly, but some of the things like im not jokeing, or even about how I write my thoughts would change depending on a few things. Really the example marv gave on ## you should go read my filter from that game. I feel Marv isnt even telling my whole meta just bits and pieces he can use. Well, you can't really expect him to post your whole filter, can you? The fact that he only posts examples also doesn't invalidade those. | ||
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On August 09 2014 06:34 Onegu wrote: No but I do expect you to go check my filter from that game to confirm what he says if you are going to vote me based on a meta claim from that game. I said he was wrong I was caught by Marv that game from gameplay mistakes that Marv caught and should be able to catch again if I was scum, but he used a 100% meta case this game. Why? He can't catch you from gameplay mistakes if you just replaced in and there are no roles in this game. I just read the ## filter and I don't see a big difference to your play here. | ||
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On August 09 2014 07:42 goodkarma wrote: I'm here now btw if there's any needed last minute vote switch shenannies. I don't think so. | ||
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On August 09 2014 07:56 Holyflare wrote: Well that was implied by the name :p maybe we'll just call it the pelican rule or some shit I like it. | ||
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On August 09 2014 11:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare/Jat/GD or some shit? I don't even know what to say to this bullshit. On August 09 2014 13:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I remember rayn made that image during a game to point out how bad Vivax's case was. I don't know if Vivax was town or mafia that game, or if Holyflare was in it. I'm thinking it could possibly fall under "scumreading someone for bad reasons" but I'm not too sure. I'd really like a link to the game in question, but I don't know which one it was. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition Vivax was scum and Holyflare played in this game. It was one of the bests cases ever and certainly not scumreading for bad reasons. | ||
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On August 10 2014 01:05 Eden1892 wrote: I disagree completely, did you check his filter? He has just over 9 pgs of filter in this game, which started August 3rd. Granted that his filter in the newbie game is significantly longer (16 pgs), but if you actually go back and track it from when this game started (the only fair way to evaluate relative interest in the game), he has only 4 pgs of filter. In fact his participation in the other game dropped off significantly since this game started. Terrible logic. Of course his posting drops a little over time. The newbie game is smaller and the longer it goes on the fewer people are in there. Still he posted only there today for example. | ||
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On August 10 2014 04:36 Eden1892 wrote: I also agree w/dis altho I want marv to post reads before the end of the night in case he gets shot Yeah, me too. | ||
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On August 10 2014 06:04 Holyflare wrote: Oh yeh oh oh super awesome hf association scum hunting. Why when i made a meta case on wave that was 3 months old did haru immediately dismiss it as 3 months old so probably worthless but when marv made a case on onegu based on 8 months meta he didn't say shit and rolled over onto the lynch np I don't really understand what you are saying? | ||
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On August 10 2014 06:08 Holyflare wrote: In the start of the game where haru made the +1-1 post (yay nostalgia!) he dismissed my meta read on you for being too old so most likely useless. When marv made a case on onegu based on 8 month old meta haru sheeped np. Didn't question shit. Ah, ok. Fishy. | ||
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On August 10 2014 06:10 Eden1892 wrote: I Like It Marv is the 3rd scum if he doesn't get shot tonight obviously I thought you were riding the haru=town train? | ||
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On August 10 2014 06:28 Holyflare wrote: Hey jat you're scum for x, y, z! Hey everyone else needs to stop doing x, y, z! The post is really a pain to read somehow. You are right - that makes no sense. | ||
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On August 10 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote: so i was definitely towniest person end of day 2 and night and marv didn't push shit on anyone so either it's someone that is pushing me as scum (wave etc etc) or afk ppl: haru, poofter, obi, gd which means my list is probably highly accurate I doubt anyone could think he could realistically push you as scum, lol. The list is good either way. | ||
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On August 10 2014 11:55 gobbledydook wrote: His reason was pretty good, he agreed that poofter was scummy for being useless, but he proved that onegu was useless *and* perfectly fits his mafia meta, even though it turned out he was wrong. In no way did I say poofter shouldn't be lynched, marv just convinced me we lynch onegu first. So did you not read the thread before asking or why did you even do so? It just seems so pointless to ask marv why he wants to lynch Onegu over Poofter after he just made a case and said how certain he is about it. On August 10 2014 12:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, but it only took you two minutes to change your lynch target. You made no effort to pursue Poofter as a lynch at any point, and you just kind of fucked off when you put your vote down on onegu. It looked like you didn't really care. I agree. Obi looks more and more towny to be btw. | ||
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On August 10 2014 21:22 Eden1892 wrote: Poofter or gobble best kills today & I'm fine with either. Not really sold concerning Haru but I think I agree with this statement. Poofter has done jackshit recently and gobble is just really scummy. | ||
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On August 10 2014 21:57 Eden1892 wrote: Agree on obi. I've got: Sure Town: Eden, Holyflare, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi Not-Sure Town: goodkarma, HaruRH, WaveofShadow Probably Not Town: gobbledydook, Tehpoofter I'm one townread away from POEing the game whooooo Y'all seem pretty sure on goodkarma, too. Someone give me a reason why? I don't do meta Without meta it will be hard to show you because he is so lurky. | ||
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On August 10 2014 23:56 HaruRH wrote: it all leads to the amazing conclusion where the 3 scummers are busted Maybe you could tell us who those 3 scummers are? | ||
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On August 11 2014 01:29 Eden1892 wrote: Yo I notice Poofy scum read Haru all of d1 then "got nervous" about the Haru wagon due to people who were on it (including his scum read Gobble!!) then followed onto it anyway But don't you remember how PURE the gobble wagon was?! | ||
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On August 11 2014 01:51 Eden1892 wrote: Guys don't kill Gobble I don't like it. Poofter much better lynch right now, not even trying to solve game + scummy. Gobble at least tried. Get on Poofter instead. Enjoy to scum lynch gogogo Why do you think gobble is town suddenly? If people try a little they are actually more often scum than if they do nothing at all. I still think they are both good lynches though. | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:27 HaruRH wrote: Oh boy oh boy so why don't you start discussion to stop me from being bored -> league? Why don't YOU start discussion or at least show us some reasoning for your scumreads? You are the question mark here. | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:48 Eden1892 wrote: I didn't say that just think Poofter is more likely to be scum Although if Poofter is town then we're at MYLO if he's modkilled... That is true. I think both are fairly scummy. I just think there could be a reason for the kush kill and he said he would quit mafia forever if gobble isn't scum. I know that is a weak reason but hey. | ||
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On August 11 2014 03:17 Eden1892 wrote: Double scum lynch today habbenig????? That would be awesome. Quite possible too. | ||
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On August 11 2014 03:35 Holyflare wrote: If poofter does some bs appeal to emotion shit right near deadline or one more thing about the gooble lynch being pure he's auto lynch Yes, agreed. | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Are you being totally serious right now? Do you think HF is mafia or what are you doing right now? | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:26 Eden1892 wrote: I can't believe I'm saying this but I trust Cav the most right now out of everyone actually. He's voicing the concerns I'm having. Poofter has to go today tbh it's just I think he gets modkilled. If he comes back we're piling on him right? If he comes back without something really good, yes. You have my sword in that case. | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:44 Eden1892 wrote: Except that neither of them will look awesome for it since they aren't pushing it at all. It's WIFOM, and the ironclad confidence you seem to have in one of the two outcomes is pretty bullshit to me honestly. Roundtable: what do we think of Hf right now? Bear in mind that we are still keeping this double on Poofter and gobble right now HF is very very likely town. I don't understand your problem atm. | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:52 goodkarma wrote: I'm only willing to consolidate with a guy I know is town. Everyone sheep Eden it's our best bet. Eden is town but that doesn't mean he is right. And he is on gobble anyways. | ||
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On August 11 2014 04:54 Holyflare wrote: This is majority lynch you don't double lynch by having 2 wagons???? It's a double lynch because poofter is modkilling himself Exactly. | ||
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On August 11 2014 05:38 Tehpoofter wrote: What about that game was analytical? My posts here have been what I was feeling at the time which tbh mostly was trolly and behind. Just wanting to read people from real time interactions than indepth shit. You are rarely here for a person that wants to read people by interacting. On August 11 2014 05:43 Tehpoofter wrote: Its fine you won't win the belt that way unless you're mafia  but you can do what you want. I don't have a good defense. Which sucks will be my first ever misslynch as town. :/ I won't just let you do it either and you might as well get your post ready that says "Well this dude was afk so much like a donkey his own fault for dying" Actually I'll make it for you: Poofter was town!?!?!?!!? WOWOW what an idiot for being so afk we're so screwed now! This post is completely useless. On August 11 2014 05:46 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh really? You actually do think I'm mafia. Interesting. Why? Like try to ignore my afkness pretend I really did have a busy week my interactions have they seemed mafia to you? IF so why? We can't ignore your afkness because it is scummy as hell and you did it before in YOSO. You also just didn't do anything really towny when you were around. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote: IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER I wasn't here thats like exactly my scum meta. Why should we ignore your afkness then? WTF? | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Did I do anything mafia esq? Like I pushed my read on goobblydook I brought up a small case on it then read marv's on onegu and was like "ooo shiny marv case that looks like hes tryign must sheep" I'm honestly surprised he was wrong but I guess probably because of the whole he did it on bad pretenses things and associations. Yo JaT do you tihnk I'm going to flip red? Pretty likely, yes. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:08 Tehpoofter wrote: More importantly when I flip green and its lylo tomorrow who are you going to blame? Why is mafia? What information will you get when I flip? Lets make some associative reads cause the facts are I'm green so lets play the night out now! If you aren't mafia then gobble is almost 100% scum I guess. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:11 Tehpoofter wrote: ^^End my whole defense. If you can tell me what I did that was mafia in the thread. Like not just by not being here cause thast obvious but getting lynched for being afk is silly its like you're not even trying If I'm mafia find me some posts in this thread that were scummy or some agenda I pushed that was scummy. I will just direct you to what HF wrote about you. Let's try something different. How about you give us actual reads besides gobble? On like everyone in the game and with reasoning (especially for the scum reads). Because you didn't give many reads this game. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:12 Tehpoofter wrote: accidental leveling is hte best man HF I can't wait to flip what are you going to sya to the thread? Like what is your excuse going ot be for not pushing on GD? How shit are you going to feel for bringing the game to lylo cause you're bad at reading me Is this how you are gonna post until deadline? Fearmongering? How about you try to convince us by contributing something useful. This is just scummy martyring right now. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote: well 36 minutes. Awesome that means I can read lol. You still have 1,5 hours and I expect some solid contributions otherwise I will vote you. I am scumreading you for your afkness and basically what HF said/what is in my filter. I did post quite a bit about you. | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: 2 ppl on poofter and everyone else is afk I see. Well, I will be here to change if neccessary. I hope whoever else is town does not afk through the deadline... | ||
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On August 11 2014 06:50 Holyflare wrote: this haru guy is scummy as fuck for just doing afk shit again btw Yes he is. So we have enough people to switch to poofter with gk and me. That's at least something. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:30 goodkarma wrote: We've still got thirty minutes, and there are enough people in thread to make a vote switch. So explain your reads. Listen to this guy. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:42 goodkarma wrote: same. Do you still plan to sheep Eden (he switched to poofter) or who do you think is the lynch? | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote: im really tempted to just policy poofter though regardless Decide. I am really unsure. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:52 Holyflare wrote: this game feels abnormally hard This. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:52 Tehpoofter wrote: yep I said that in my posts and REALLY pushed the pure thing after vivax was known like I'm town so it makes tons of sense. Bleh. This is so dumb whats my scum motivation for saying any of that? Well, the scum motivation would be to lynch towngobble if you are scum and he is town. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:56 goodkarma wrote: If eden's town (which I think he is), gobble's getting bussed... Just sayin' This is really true. And Obi seems pretty town too. | ||
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On August 11 2014 07:59 Holyflare wrote: i switched to poofter ##Unvote ##Vote: Poofter is this where we say the wagon is so pure? Probably... | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote: so karma and jat "no last minute voting" and then you forced a no lynch situation? What? It wasn't a nolynch?! And I was talking about not to start a new wagon because THAT would probably have led to a no lynch. | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:10 Eden1892 wrote: My fault. Should not have checked in since I didn't have time to read. I've played really terribly this game. The one thing I am gonna say is that I wish y'all would have read the all caps and moved, but I don't even really fault that much since Poofter should have checked in earlier / tried more today. Also I can confirm the time thing was already there. No johns for that please. Battery dead, bbl. When I read the caps stuff it was already too late. Why didn't this idiot show this kind of passion earlier -.- | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote: but if this is the case someone im town reading is mafia We will have to reevaluate everything tomorrow anyways. We can't miss again. | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:39 gobbledydook wrote: what's the point of asking though, it's not like any scum would ever admit it. The point was to see if you would answer with Vanilla Town or something like that. | ||
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On August 11 2014 09:23 Holyflare wrote: and they switched because they thought the poofter wagon was more pure Yeah, kinda. I saw what gk posted, looked at the votecount and realized that he was correct. There HAD to be scum on gobble. | ||
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On August 11 2014 10:29 Eden1892 wrote: OK but seriously now let's get to work. My new scum list is Holyflare, justanothertownie and goodkarma. I am almost positive I'm the nightkill tonight so I'm not even going to bother being coy or bullshitting around with fake reads trying not to bait a nightkill. It's not happening. I'm going down and I'm going to get out my reads and keep rereading to see what I think before the end. Why them? Holyflare has no reason to be alive right now. He was the only "townie" who had any direction on day 1 and organized a last-minute lynch, and kush got nightkilled instead of him. Kush was obvious town, but Holyflare was generally in the town pile for everyone too, and unlike kush Holyflare was a direct threat to get people lynched. Then marv gets killed last night, and while marv was also in everyone's town pile (and Holyflare wasn't as much anymore), marv had been straight up wrong on both lynches and Adkins out the whole night. The one time he really took charge and showed direction he was off. This kill makes some sense to me over Holyflare but not really; I feel like if we assume Holyflare is town he's played a better game than marv. In any case he's going to survive tonight while I, a townie who until this point had no meaningful direction in the thread, die. And that's not going to make sense, and if I don't say something now people will go "oh, no surprise there, Eden was obvtown, Holyflare lemme sheep u 2 victory" and we'll lose. Furthermore, I've called attention to it on a couple of occasions this game - Holyflare's strength of conviction in his arguments is entirely disproportionate to their strength. The most notable instance was his insistence that both Poofter and gobble were likely to flip scum, even though they had both been scumreading the hell out of each other from midway through day 1. I've been hesitant about this point to an extent because it's been in doubt; after all it had been possible that both flipped scum and Holyflare is actually some godmode town savant genius. But we now know he was wrong, and in retrospect, it's pretty fucking obvious that he was wrong. Finally... kush had to be right about somebody, don't you think? At least one player. And who were the two he was harping on? gobbledydook and Holyflare. gobble has been on everyone's scum radar for days now, nightkilling kush wouldn't do anything to save gobble. Holyflare is the only player kush was calling out and being virtually alone in doing so. THAT is why kush was nightkilled, and why we MUST kill Holyflare tomorrow. It's not the strongest case in the whole wide world, and I'm sure Holyflare will yell and berate and whine and hurl abuse at me and everyone who's sympathetic to this argument until it dies down, just like the last couple of times. Resist this. Do not give in. You will likely see his loyal lieutenant, justanothertownie, following through. They've been lockstep for most of the game and Holyflare has been wrong and will flip scum. Obviously the two of them are pushing the scum agenda together, and they've been wildly successful thus far. But they won't succeed anymore. Don't let them. Finally there's goodkarma. I'm partially sheeping Wave on this one, but the fact that both Holyflare and justanothertownie have hard-confirmed him town off of a weak meta read from Showdown mafia is super sketchy now that I know they're both mafia. And yeah, I signed off on it earlier. Big deal. I was wrong then and I'm right now. goodkarma has lurked like crazy and like Wave said, he's doing a lot of hedging and explaining for someone who's sheeping, and I feel like his arguments have been pretty weak when he's bothered to explain his reads. I'll go do a more complete filter read to see if I still agree with this when I'm done but I'm pretty confident in it right now. goodkarma also fits excellently as the final mafia because you already have Holyflare and justanothertownie pushing the scum agenda. goodkarma is the perfect third member stylistically; no one will be shocked that he's not nightkilled since he's not trying very hard at all this game, and Holyflare and justanothertownie combined have enough thread presence (before we launch our coup right here and hurl them off their balconies) to deflect any lurker lynches onto some of you lame-ass motherfuckers taking days off at a time. Speaking of, STOP DOING THAT SHIT! WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR IT! We're going to need every single one of y'all to step up and lynch these guys three in a row if we're gonna win. It's majority lynch and you KNOW the mafia won't miss a vote. Every single one of you needs to keep stepping up. Haru was super town today, good job, keep it up. Wave is coming alive, keep shaking off the cobwebs and pushing. Obi... man I'm fuckin thrilled! I get to be friends with Cav because we're both town and he's fuckin spot on with Holyflare this game! Keep it up! And gobble, bro, I know it's hard getting scumread the whole game as a townie but keep pushing what you believe and stay pure, my friend. I'm confident in all of you as townreads at this point. I've seen something from every one of you at some point this game that's made me think "Yep, you're town," and at the core all of these reads just feel right in the gut. One day I'll look back and either laugh at myself for being terribly wrong or be self-aware enough to understand why my reads were right despite my inability to explain them, but in the here and now I've got no choice, when my other scumhunting skills have failed me this game, to run with the reads I'm feeling in my heart and hope that they're enough. We can still do this guys, even if -- when -- I'm dead in the morning. Let's get it! There is nothing LITERALLY NOTHING in this post that suggests I am scum. Wtf are you doing Eden? Your only reason for calling me scum is that I agreed a lot with HF. On August 11 2014 10:46 Holyflare wrote: haru was by far and large NOT super town today, he said he would be super spammy haru making cases on everyone and then after all that he made one post on gobble that had nothing scummy in it whatsoever and then gave up and got bored and played league of legends instead And I still agree with him. I have no idea why you think Harus day was super town. On August 11 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I reserve the right to not read anything that you're saying and kill you anyway. I hope to god you aren't town if you are being serious here. We just lost a game where some idiot didn't think in LYLO. On August 11 2014 12:46 Eden1892 wrote: You're gonna have to explain this for me because my interpretation of it (a) probably isn't fair and (b) is that this is terrible. Who cares if it is fair. I want to win this game. On August 11 2014 12:58 Holyflare wrote: I'm gonna go to bed. Honestly think it's probably haru and then I'm at a loss for who else. Yes, I have trouble seeing a scumteam without him. On August 11 2014 13:11 HaruRH wrote: I just woke up. Now we in lylo? Damn. Looks like I was wrong on pooft then. I would say hf have a decent chance to be scum now ttht I don't feel any town pull from him. Nothing screams 'sheep me you fools' "Now we in lylo?" Like it is a surprise? Wtf. How is this guy towny? On August 11 2014 13:16 goodkarma wrote: With this next lynch we're going to literally need unanimous townpile onto a scum wagon. The only way I really see that happening is /sheeping. Time would be well spent deciding how we're going to achieve a unanimous decision. Ideally a town leader and/or primary lynch target can be named by whoever dies tonight via a last minute before deadline ninjapost. Everyone with any chance of dying should make something like this... There's a few ways to implement this this is how I'd do it. Whatever we do tho we need to establish /towncircle and force sheeping. There's not room for error anymore. Goodnight and good luck. This sounds good in theory but the problem here is that scum can just kill a townie who is wrong and bam, game over. This is NOT protown. On August 11 2014 13:45 Eden1892 wrote: Dude I'm gonna flip 50 shits if I was actually right on all 3 of them Omg Let me assure you that you are not. On August 11 2014 12:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Townreads I understand: Eden, JAT, (me? I still think your trap was weak and reading people based on it is meh but whatevs), gobble (sorta---this is one of those things that I never went back and truly thought about when Poofter/GK mentioned it...is there some sort of way with the voting patterns that GD could still be scum? that worries me) Don't understand townread on GK, and Cav I just dunno. 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Also you are doing exactly what you are accusing HF of doing. Interpreting everything he has done in the most scummy way possible and being overly sure about very minor arguments. I will take a nap and start the filter diving afterwards. | ||
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1) Why would we switch to Vivax day1? 2) Why the shenanigans during the lynch yesterday? 3) Why were gk and I marvs strongest townreads besides you? Do you think you can read us better than he can? | ||
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On August 12 2014 01:23 Eden1892 wrote: I don't see why they couldn't, but I've already acknowledged my read on you isn't superb and that I want to reread your filter before I'm certain about it. Why so disproportionately mad tho? Am I onto you? And no I'm not doing that, go through his filter and fact-check me if you don't believe me. I've only done 6 pgs, it's not hard. I didn't look at everything he's done and try to make it look scummy, I picked out the pushes that do look scummy / follow the scum agenda I very carefully laid out before I started looking at anything and explained very clearly and thoroughly why they do. If you think I am, I'm as crystal-clear as I can fucking be right now. Go show me how my examples don't fit the mold that I was careful to craft before rereading Holyflare. You can't, because they do. I am not mad and I can not be sure concerning HF and gk but if you scumread me you are on the wrong track and it is my responsibility to show you that you are. It is fucking LYLO. I did not filterdive HF yet but I remember most of the things you state in your case and I didn't see a scum agenda when they happened nor do I really see one now that you mention them. Of course it is theoretically possible that HF fooled me completely since he is a very good player but I seriously doubt that someone who I shared the same wavelength with for major parts of the game is scum. | ||
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Looking at how the wagons went so far this makes some sense I think. Day1: This is the situation before the voteswitch. Haru is the main wagon and neither of gk and Obi is on it. On August 06 2014 07:51 iamperfection wrote: Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook (4): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (2): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (7): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (0): With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: Eden1892 voted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted Marvellosity (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted Wave (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted WoS (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted WaveofShadow (post) ERROR: kushm4sta voted invalid player gg (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Artanis[XP] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: marvellosity changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: HaruRH unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted Artanis [xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: kushm4sta unvoted without vote (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted marv (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted obiwanshinobi (ObiWanShinobi) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted tehpoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Tehpoofter (post) ERROR: Tehpoofter voted invalid player Gooblyzilla (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted artanis[Xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: justanothertownie voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Vivax unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: goodkarma unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Vivax (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted vivax (Vivax) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Haru (HaruRH) (post) After the switch: They all voted in Order to save Haru: On August 06 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote: Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (8): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (3): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (0): With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: Eden1892 voted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Eden1892 (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted Marvellosity (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted marvellosity (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted Wave (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted WoS (WaveofShadow) (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted WaveofShadow (post) ERROR: kushm4sta voted invalid player gg (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Artanis[XP] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: marvellosity changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: HaruRH unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted Artanis [xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: kushm4sta unvoted without vote (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted marv (marvellosity) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted obiwanshinobi (ObiWanShinobi) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted tehpoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted Tehpoofter (post) ERROR: Tehpoofter voted invalid player Gooblyzilla (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted artanis[Xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Artanis[Xp] voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: gobbledydook unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: justanothertownie voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Vivax (post) VOTE: Vivax unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: Vivax voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted marvellosity (post) VOTE: goodkarma unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Vivax (post) VOTE: kushm4sta unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: kushm4sta voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Holyflare unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted vivax (Vivax) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Vivax (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted ObiWanShinobi (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Haru (HaruRH) (post) I think there isn't really that much info to get out o the day2 wagon tbh. :/ Day3 there were 2 town wagons if we assume that gobble is town (we probably should looking at the wagons at EoD) and they didn't have to vote together or really push something. Haru and Obi just lazily voted one of the wagons without doing much else. The only thing that gives me pause here is gks switch at the end because it seemed like he saw what I saw and acted in the exact same moment like me. Why would scum do this if both wagons are town? On August 11 2014 08:00 iamperfection wrote: Counting of votes: Tehpoofter (6): gobbledydook (3): WaveofShadow (0): Not voting (0): , With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday, Aug 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: Eden1892 voted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted TehPoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted gd (gobbledydook) (post) VOTE: gobbledydook voted TehPoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: HaruRH voted gobble (gobbledydook) (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted WaveofShadow (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: justanothertownie voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted gobbledydook (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted tehpoofter (Tehpoofter) (post) VOTE: goodkarma unvoted Tehpoofter (post) VOTE: goodkarma voted Gobbledydook (gobbledydook) (post) The votecounts are basically there to show that this makes sense considering how the game went so far. The actual reason for the theory is that I basically townread all other people to some degree and that those 3 are the ones who seem not to care about the game in a LYLO situation. I still have a hard time seeing HF as scum for reasons mentioned already. Wave seemed really towny as of late. Eden is town. I have almost no doubt about that. The EoD yesterday seemed to strongly indicate that gobble is town. Also if I am right 2 mafia were pushing him day1 at some point. I know I townread gk before but I have to take that back at this point. This level of not caring is just not towny in any way. Do you see any strong reason why this theory has to be wrong, Eden? | ||
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On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Jat, I've already argued against this theory before. I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb. I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. | ||
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On August 12 2014 05:54 Eden1892 wrote: D1, goodkarma was on Vivax by himself before that wagon picked up any steam and he was Adkins at EOD. While that could be argued as scummy anyway (and I wouldn't even object to it), I don't think it's correct to characterize it as "saving" Haru since goodkarma didn't push for it to become a viable wagon. Haru voting in self-defense also isn't alignment-indicative. Obi's vote is the only one that I thought was dodgy from that group You have a point here. But still he was on a not Haru wagon the whole time. | ||
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On August 12 2014 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: this is the most seriousest gif i have ever posted on tl ![[image loading]](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121009000433/pffanon/images/7/77/Porque_no_los_dos.gif) In fact I almost guarantee it's both, good scumteams have at least one person running interference and at least one person chilling in the back waiting for LYLO That sounds good in theory but who is running interference here? You seem to think it is HF but I have serious reservations about that. Maybe I am wrong and he fooled me but that would sadden me greatly. I think you are town I know I am town. If HF is not mafia - who is it? | ||
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On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters. Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What the fuck, go read my filter you lazy scrub. I will tomorrow if I am alive. But whatever words I find in there won't change the actions you did in the end. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This isn't a scumtell and you know that it's not. So I don't know what you're doing by trying to make it out that it is. Not trying to figure the game out in LYLO is not a scumtell? Sure, buddy... And now you are just lazily OMGUSing me. If you are really town then we will lose because of people like you. Fortunately you probably aren't. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why wouldn't we lynch Jat? Because he posted stuff? Everything he just posted is wrong/bad so I don't know why you're letting him off the hook. Maybe you could show us WHY what I am posting is wrong instead of making idiotic statements like this? | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, because you're deliberately ignoring the content in my filter. Nothing you posted makes sense but you keep trying to characterize my arguments instead of looking to see if what you said actually makes sense. And it doesn't. It really, really doesn't. If you're so certain on me not being town, go reread my filter and try to match your analysis up with what has been going on instead of making a giant post about votes that doesn't really explain anything at all. Your behaviour right now would be enough on it's own to scumread you. Instead of showing us who your scumreads are and why you are just getting defensive and start OMGUSing me. Besides I already outlined that it is also POE. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You can make a giant post based on my votes but you didn't bother to look up why I was voting anyone? Are you being totally serious right now? Yup. You prefer the idiotic statements I take it. I posted a theory. If you were town you could just quickly show us why you think it doesn't make sense instead of acting all stupid. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Again, neither of those things are scumtells. I think it's scummy that you think it's okay to post misleading analysis that has no basis on content. I think it's scummy that you think that being defensive is a scumtell. I think it's scummy that you think that not having definitive scumreads going into lylo of all things is a scumtell. Do you or do you not see the issue with what you've posted or no? You definitely don't need to have definite scumreads but you need to try and figure the game out. Get your opinions out there. Discuss! You could just comment on the rest of what I wrote for example. You know what is not about you. But you don't. Defensiveness IS a scumtell. It might not be true for every player but for most it is. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really hope I don't get shot just so I can lynch you tomorrow. There is zero chance you're town if you think me not putting my filter on display for you, even though it's already there and you can check it yourself, is a scumtell. Zero. You will not lynch me friend. That is the zero chance here. You don't need to repost your filter. I want short concise reasons why my theory is wrong if you are town. Or if it is good but I am wrong on you and it is someone else. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If he's going to act like an idiot and say defensiveness is a scumtell then I'm going to vote him. He knows that it isn't and he refuses to base any of his analysis on content. He's deliberately ignoring my filter and the things that I've posted and is basically just characterizing everything I'm doing right now and trying to sell it as a scumtell. It's all skin-deep and I don't know why you have him as town because of it. It is a scumtell. That's not even a debate. Stop arguing about bullshit like this and contribute something game relevant. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:40 goodkarma wrote: Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk. Any effort on this game is wasted until you do. Wtf dude. Just wtf. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:49 goodkarma wrote: What changed is terrible deadlines, on top of terrible terrible daylength reductions, on top of not being able to meet the "spam meta" especially because of the first two. Also, this game situation is dire. I honestly, seriously, can't understand why fucking no one can be bothered to try to figure out how we keep town together for lynches at this point. Oh wait, I did. But no one cares, so forgive me for not caring when I've told you guys EXACTLY what needs to be done. Figure out how we consolidate then we can solve the game. I don't even... You proposed that we follow the nightkilled towny. Scum can just shoot a towny that is wrong and we hand them the game. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:50 goodkarma wrote: As far as I'm concerned I'm the towniest one here. I'm literally trying to tell you your only chance of not losing this game 100%. But if you don't see it that way, lynch me first please. I want this game to be over. It is of course true that we can only win if every towny consolidates on scum but I don't see how you help in that regard. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:53 goodkarma wrote: Not if you last minute post... But apparently it's hard to describe things in clear enough terms for you jubjubs. Crowning a new town leader works to. You need some kind of system in place tho or we flat-out lose. In that case it is just completely random. | ||
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On August 12 2014 06:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Martyrs are generally town, though. This is not true. | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:02 Eden1892 wrote: Eh I agree with Obi here, just not at non-3p LYLO It is factually incorrect. In this case it is of course especially retarded to do it as town. | ||
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Take a look at some older games. There are games where almost every single mafia martyred. If I remember correctly the original storm mafia (one of the best games I read before I started playing here) is one example. | ||
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On August 12 2014 09:03 Eden1892 wrote: So the fact that goodkarma is voting for me either makes him scum or town throwing the game. Unless he's got a serious case for me being scum there is no excuse for goodkarma to be voting for me. And think about the sequence of posts too, he spends the night demanding that I tell him how I'm going to organize the town then up and votes for me before I get the chance to do so. I'm like one of maybe three people trying to figure out the game state right now. It all boils down to this honestly. I think Eden is town so if gk is town we literally can't win the game if he continues to vote for him. On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote: Everyone who was a significant player in pushing lynches - tbh that's just marv and Holyflare, RIP town this game - is dead now, which means the scumteam was pretty clearly letting the town tear itself apart, like JAT argued earlier. This is pretty significant because we havetwo players alive who were significant lynch targets at some point or another: Haru and gobble. I've been giving gobble a pass for a while because I figured that there's no way the scumteam would let one of their own come under serious fire for that long, that with the absence of strong town direction it would be easy to deflect a lynch elsewhere. But if the mafia also don't have thread presence this argument obviously goes belly-up. This is true. Gobble is less confirmed than it seemed but I think he is still by no means the lynch for today. On August 12 2014 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm throwing every single one of my reads in the dumpster and starting over. For all intents and purposes, I don't have an opinion on goodkarma as of right now. I'm going to reread the game and figure out what the fuck is going on. This sounds good in theory but I don't see where you have done that at all. On August 12 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: If GK doesn't switch his vote at any point today and doesn't listen to reason he essentially forces our hand by making us all vote for him or Eden. Exactly. And I choose to kill gk in this case. On August 12 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote: You do realize that Eden's pretty tryhard as scum too right? Like that's a super-stupid metric. The guy can make ridiculously long and pointless posts as scum. Can post for pages and pages. Look at his scumgame filter. I'm sheeping HF and all town should too. Especially compelling reason: I'm town so if you don't we're sure to lose. How is this a towny mindset? Even without the ridiculous shitflinging at Eden this post almost proves gk is scum. More comments to come soon. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: The bolded is what I assumed he was doing last night and told him to fucking stop, but then why throw it out right before he dies? That is not something you troll town with. Surely you realize that. Yes. HF would never troll us at the last second if he isn't 100% sure that he is not getting shot. This guy likes to win games. On August 12 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Who has a good reason to townread Haru right now? I certainly don't. On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote: I'm only consolidating on HF candidates. Will only consider Eden and Haru. Since we literally lose if any of our lynches are wrong I suppose it isn't terrible to have two HF-proposed wagons. He was the most competent guy left anyway. lol, does anyone see this shit? TWO WAGONS? AT 4:3 LYLO? Can we lynch this guy already? On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote: People I'm 100% sure town: Gobbledydook People I'm 99% sure town: Eden1892, WaveofShadow People I'm not that sure of: JAT Probably scum: Obi, Haru Scum, lynch this fuck now: goodkarma Liking gobble as town for his reads. They align with my own if you switch me with him. On August 12 2014 12:49 goodkarma wrote: He's been completely useless, but so has Haru... How's that for an answer? How has Eden been completely useless? Did you even read what was posted at night? This is asinine. On August 12 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable. Vivax was NOT a policy lynch. | ||
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On August 12 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: So none of the people who voted wrong all three times also sheeped three times? Did JAT have reasons for his votes? GOod ones? Did Cav and HF? Did Haru (he's technically wrong 3 times assuming you're town)? I had good reasons for all my votes. Go look it up if you don't believe me. The only time I really sheeped was day2 when we killed Onegu and I still had different reasons than marvs meta case to kill him. On August 12 2014 13:49 gobbledydook wrote: I fell asleep reading JAT's filter of twenty pages of one liners. Then right near the end I see his Vote Association Post. The thing is I could replace obi with JAT and come to the same conclusion. It could actually be a JAT/gk/haru scumteam. I wouldn't count JAT out yet, I could plausibly see this as a bus attempt. Remember mafia have 3 lylos in a row to lose before they die. If bussing 2 obviously shitty scumbuddies secures the win, I don't see why JAT wouldn't go for it. but first goodkarma dies its obvious. This is good logic. But if I was on the same scumteam as Haru than I would have been bussing all fucking game. On August 12 2014 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made up reasons for your scumreads. ##vote eden Say what? On August 12 2014 14:57 Eden1892 wrote: Your pointed refusal to give a read on goodkarma has everything to do with this game right now because it's so fucking obvious that goodkarma slipped with his "plan" and the fact that you refuse to say anything about it whatsoever is part-and-parcel scum tactic in a situation like this. You don't want to bus your teammate but you don't have the balls to townread him since he's being scummy so you're dancing around on the fence, refusing to give any answer whatsoever and hoping if you ignore it enough it'll go away. It is really apparent how Obi does not want to talk about gk. He has indeed been refusing to really comment on anything like that since I posted my votecount post. Makes me feel good about this. On August 12 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still think we should kill Jat for posting dumb shit. On August 12 2014 16:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already told you why I wanted to lynch him during the night sequence. Nothing changed and I still want to kill his ass. Also, this will be the only time I stick around for deadline. Be aware that I'm town and we're going to need to come to a consensus or something. First of all it isn't dumb. Second of all if this is the best you can come up with for a lynch in LYLO you better be fucking scum. On August 12 2014 16:16 Eden1892 wrote: Yo I just realized we're in some serious trouble this game due to time zones + 24hr days. Aside from the obvious shit that everyone needs to post asap, can we all agree to be online an hour before deadline? I'm pretty confident in my scum pile at this point but consolidation could be a really formidable challenge, and I need every one of my townies to fucking be there so we can make SURE we're on the same page. I will definitely be here. | ||
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On August 13 2014 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Really loving the noncommittal stance from haru/jat/cav right now. Just fantastic when we have a lynch in 5h well if harus scum he can not vote all he wants Not having voted =! being noncomittal. | ||
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On August 13 2014 02:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not really noncommital. I want to know why people are townreading hat because he really doesn't deserve it. Yes, I do. And that you are just lazily complaining about townread on me is ridiculous. You seem to have no problem voting Haru who is my scumread and who I attacked all game long. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:02 goodkarma wrote: Okie Eden. I don't think you'd be this tryhard as scum. I especially don't think you'd give me the benefit of the doubt given that I'm probably the easiest townie to set up a mislynch on. Why did you suddenly change your mind about that? | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't, because I've stopped caring about this game entirely. Two of my townreads are on the Haru wagon, so it behooves me to vote with them or we lose because I'm not splitting off my vote from the people I think are town. And I'm not "lazily complaining." I've been pressing the stupid bullshit that you've been saying in regards to your vote analysis since night. And while we're on that topic, where's the filter dive you said you were going to do? I told you to do it, you said you were going to do it, and then you posted nothing about doing it and still came to the conclusion that I'm mafia. What gives you the impression I didn't look into your filter? And you have been pressing your godawful stance on defensiveness not being a scumtell but that is literally it. Not only are you wrong, It is also the only reason for you to scumread me. If your scumread in LYLO consists of a not even game relevant opinion you disagree with then you most likely aren't town. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You haven't posted anything at all to indicate that you even give a shit about figuring me out; instead, you just posted some vote analysis that doesn't really make any sense and stuck with it despite not being interested in finding out why I voted the way I voted. And that doesn't really cover the fact that someone already pressed me on this much, much earlier in the game. Besides, what's wrong with going after someone for scumreading someone for bad reasons? Because the shit coming out of your mouth is borderline retarded and I don't think that you're a retard, so the only conclusion is that you're being wrong intentionally. Ok, how about you look at my filter from Order mafia. Look at the first thing I found there. Robik being defensive -> it is too bad I dropped this later because Robik was fucking mafia and basically noone scumread him for the rest of the game. Who is borderline retarded now? And to the bolded: I did try to figure out the game, I commented on relevant things and towny people are currently sheeping the reads I made in the post you don't think makes sense. Even you are voting for my scumread. You on the other hand did not try to figure anything out. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Defensiveness is not a scumtell times infinity and I am going to press this forever until you stop being an idiot about it. Robik can be defensive as either alignment and it ultimately tells you nothing, and you never would have gotten him lynched for being defensive because that's an awful case and it isn't going to convince anyone with half a brain. And I don't get why you say I'm not trying to figure things out: I'm pressing you for why you didn't read my filter, because you still haven't done anything to indicate that you've done so. All you've done is harp about "defensiveness" and stuff that doesn't fucking matter. The only person harping about that is you. I commented on so many different things and made my opinions known. You basically said nothing all day besides "waaaah defensiveness not a scumtell jat so scum for saying it". | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Everything is a bus. I am bussing everyone. It's all a conspiracy. Well everyones vote is on Haru. To me that indicates that he is being bussed if he is scum. But what do I know I mean I obviously am borderline retarded. | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Did GK have to? he could have just sat his ass pretty on Eden all day but instead he goes all half-apologetic. I mean Obi basically did 'cause I forced him but GK wasn't being forced as everyone saw last night. And what took you so damn long to vote? Remind me where you mention haru again? I mentioned Haru all the time? Look at my filter. Look at what I wrote last night. | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I was about to yell at you for saying 'to me that indicates' and then i realized sarcasm. Good job. | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I seem to recall what you wrote last night being some sort of shitty catch-up. I know somebody commented on shitty catchups earlier in the thread and I defended them but yours was real shitty. You didn't comment on anything relevant as I recall. Wtf are you talking about? How can you read what I posted and call that not relevant? Btw. I think our definition of "night" might be different. In my timezone my votecount post where I was talkng about Haru for example was last night. | ||
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Because I think he is town and I want to know what he thinks about this wagon right now. | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I was referring to your comments on GK in that post. I guess that wasn't clear. And it was super shitty I'm going to tear that shit apart when I have more time after we lynch scum What exactly do you want me to comment on re: GK? I don't really understand. Yeah, you do that I am eagerly awaiting it. | ||
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On August 13 2014 04:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If Haru doesn't vote, we have to lynch him anyway since we lose regardless. This is the first semi-useful thing you said in ages. Good job. | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:34 Eden1892 wrote: More direct to this game Haru didn't seem to have the same drive to catch scum that I expected from him as town. I'm not talking "he's not trying," I'm saying when he did "try" his posts were not focused on scum hunting much. Read his posts from today where he asks questions to people. Where are they going? Where's the followup? Why would a townie ask relatively noncommittal questions like he did when he did and then leave the thread without trying to take them to a logical conclusion? It's not impossible that Haru is town and not trying but I have seen town Haru before and he doesn't mail it in like this. I feel better about killing him than I did 12 hrs ago Yes, Harus "contributions" today have been absolutely awful. | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:47 Eden1892 wrote: Another thought about the bus situation, Obi and goodkarma both dropped the same vote within 10min of each other. I feel like that's when the decision to bus was made, they gave Haru a chance to move and he flopped so they decided to run with the bus. Timing makes perfect sense to me. Argument is circular I know but I'm bringing it up to help show that the bus scenario is quite credible right now, just think about how those discussions would tend to go in scum QT and it makes total sense. Meh, maybe. I think that's a somewhat weak argument. More telling is that they both basically didn't comment on Haru before doing so. (Yes, I know gk said he would kill eden or Haru but that is basically it), | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:51 Eden1892 wrote: Gk is the one I'm better with of the two (just not good enough to change course on probably). When did Obi decide Haru is scum? Like in a post somewhere ideally I don't remember any post of him about that. He just voted in the voting thread. | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:56 Eden1892 wrote: Sigh now I'm starting to see Wave as maybe viable partner. Someone rescue me from the tunnel pls. Gobble please check in whenever you can as well so I can know whether we can yolo CFD if desired Well, Wave could technically be a partner of Haru but if that was the case he bussed him really hard in the beginning of the game. | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:57 Eden1892 wrote: Fuuuuuuck I wish Gobble were here. Obi best lynch from this IMO. It makes sense for scum Obi to do this regardless of Haru's alignment and doesn't make sense for town Obi Nothing Obi has done since we have been in LYLO made sense for town Obi. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:21 WaveofShadow wrote: And wiat wtf we're lynching Obi now? Chill dude. We are still lynching Haru. We are just debating if a switch would make sense but as long as gobble isn't here that is pointless. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm trying very hard not to snap at you right now. I don't give a shit who you have as super towny town right now. The fact remains that even the best players have fucked up majorly in this game so I'm not discounting anyone or anything. That goes for lack of reads too. Right now I'm still fine with Haru and that's good enough. PoE based on most to least towny imo gives me something like Obi and one of JAT/gobble GK but I can't and won't decide on them right now. Absenteeism? You must be fucking joking. You question me over this and yet gobble is super high on a towny pedestal? And on top of that, I have made it completely clear that aside from my usual activity at nights, daytimes are TERRIBLE for me. I had to fucking bargain with my wife to get a couple hours free after getting home from work so I could try to not lose the game for one LYLO. Doubt I'll be able to do it again. THAT shit pisses me off. Absenteeism. Fuck you. And hesitance on haru? I won't even respond to that. I don't really understand - is Obi the towniest or the scummiest in your ordering? | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote: From my perspective none of it makes sense, but you are assuming gobble is town while I can't be sure. Of course one can't be sure but you have to trust at least some other players or solving this situation is nearly impossible. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Provide quotes and scholarly sources. Which you have completely refused to do so ever since you posted your ass backwards analysis. There is nothing to quote since you did nothing besides your constant shitflinging towards me. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Then don't sit here and call me mafia because you can't back it up at all. Seriously, you're acting like posting bad analysis based on unflipped associations and analysis that other players have conducted is a good thing, and I have no idea why this is. You promised to read my filter to figure out why I was doing the things I was doing, and you didn't. You never posted your findings and never bothered to assess where I'm coming from because you don't care. And you act like I'm the one shitflinging. Because you fucking are and everyone is able to see it. Even if you were right and my contributions were subpar which they weren't I would have still been ten times townier than you who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in LYLO. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: How is this wifom? Your entire case is based on the fact that your three scumreads haven't voted each other and you're acting like it's wifom now? What is this post even supposed to say? If you are both scum of course this is WIFOM. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I didn't know posting dumb shit based on blatant falsehoods made you town. But this entire game is comprised of dumb shit, so what do I know. Ok, seriously. Can anyone see this and think this guy is town? All he does is trying to insult me. He has done NOTHING again NOTHING else since we reached LYLO. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote: @anybody did Obi really say he was sheeping his town reads? Lol missed that. Obi can you post those town reads for me as I am stupid I think he said that after the fact. Don't remember him naming the townreads though. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:51 Eden1892 wrote: Whatever I reserve the right to move back if it looks like we're in trouble ##UNVOTE: HaruRH ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi Sounds like a plan. We have the added benifit of killing the biggest douche in the game. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because your entire case is WIFOM if you believe this is WIFOM. What in the actual fuck. @Eden, my townreads are you and Wave. I can't discern who the last town is in the black morass of Jat/GD/GK/Haru. I don't think you know what WIFOM is. | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Like if you honestly believe these are trustworthy votes then I don't know what to say. Well, you still have enough time to show how scummy we are. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Break it down for me, because I can honestly say I haven't been paying much attention to your shitfest right now BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE LYNCHING HARU Ok, it is really easy. Open Obis filter. Look at the posts he made since the beginning of the day. Realize that there is no way this is a townie in LYLO. | ||
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Because he isn't trying to figure out the game, he is literally only throwing shit at me for one thing I said that isn't even really game relevant. He gave no reads with reasoning he didn't push anything but his stupid thing against me. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote: Alright unless I'm getting played hella bad and 2/3 of my town reads are scum AND Haru and Obi are somehow both town as a consequence, the quick switch to Obi proves the mafia is busing without a doubt. Of course they are. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote: This is actually kind of interesting...random-ass vote analysis and doesn't mean much but in my experience scum are most likely to join a wagon after 1/2 position because it looks 'safe' I don't get it. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Eden: Town. The only time I doubted this was earlier today, when I thought I had something on one of your reads. I think it's kind of silly that you change your reads so frequently for poor reasoning, but your current hyper flexibility is going to be the death of us. I just find it really hard to believe that a scum can have 33 pages of content and have all of these arguments about the game state while keeping their story straight the entire time. Not a great heuristic, I know, but I'm standing by it at this point. Wave: Town. Showing doubt in all the right places and desperately trying to understand what's going on. There's no reason for him to stick his neck out while a bunch of people are voting me for "being a dick" when this lynch is borderline set in stone anyway. GD: Scum. Extremely flimsy pretenses for votes "yeah he's being a dick let's vote him" and clearly doesn't care who we lynch. "Yeah ok" is not an acceptable answer at lylo, of all things. Haru: Null. Hasn't done much, kind of like me I guess. The only thing I see him doing right now is voting me because I want to lynch into a pool of 4 people. Goodkarma: Null. Had an extremely bad voteswitch from you to Haru and that makes me nervous. I can't really remember him doing anything today which also makes me nervous, but I can't tell if it's because he's genuinely apathetic or because Haru and I are two towns fighting. Jat: Fucking scum. I don't know why anyone is listening to this guy because he clearly doesn't give a shit about trying to figure out alignments. He posted some really bad analysis based on votes and unflipped associations that you, yourself, already pressured me on. I gave you reasoning on this, and he just turned around and rehashed it and can't elaborate on why I'm scum without saying "go reread his whole filter right now, one hour from deadline because I never bothered to do it lol." I think I covered my reads right now. I'd much rather lynch Jat today before everyone else, but I think that's it. Eden = town but Obi still voted him earlier. gk and Haru both NULL. ROFL. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's it. I'm switching to Jat and I'm not unvoting. If you're town, you'll sheep me and be done with it. The lynch is now between me and Jat and fuck everyone else that thinks otherwise. Bring it on bitch. | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He wasn't annoying in Titanic either and he was town. On August 05 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also I don't remember Haru being annoying in Order, so you might have to walk me through that one. On August 05 2014 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I'm pretty sure Haru wasn't actually annoying in Order. I think that mostly stemmed from him not knowing how to react properly to the accusations being flung at him. Maybe it's just because I'm interpreting his play differently from you. I just don't see it. This is Obis early defense of Haru. Anyone can look at Harus filter from there and I dare you to tell me that he wasn't annoying. He then went on to scumread him when Haru really got pressure from all sides: On August 06 2014 03:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm still down to kill Haru, because I think self-metaing yourself as town is bullshit/scummy. But when push came to shove he didn't want to kill him - he wanted to kill gobble: On August 06 2014 06:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I remember Haru had me as scum for similar reasons in Titanic. Like I know his day 1 shit is incredibly asinine sometimes and it's the only thing stopping me from hammering him right now. On August 06 2014 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I feel like gd would better. I took a look at what kush was saying and saw merit to it and how GD operates as scum. I feel like this Haru lynch is just us lynching Haru for being Haru. I know he said some idiotic things but idk, it feels like he's playing his towngame like he always does. After the Vivax lynch he hardly even mentions Haru the whole game until today. Also there is still this gem: So he seems to be suspicious of Vivax himself right? Didn't stop him from shitting on the lynch hardcore (probably because he knows we just failed lynching his buddy Haru) and promising us Vivax is town when the wagon couldn't be stopped anymore. This guy is SCUM. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote: So the point is everything you supposedly suspected Eden for is completely moot because of stuff you could have figured out before you even started suspecting him. Yep. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Eden already made this case and I debunked it. You would've known this if you looked at my filter. Yes, he did a similar case at some point but not the same. Doesn't make what you did any less scummy. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: FUCKING WHY DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM IS BUSSING ME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S SO UNBELIEVABLY UNLIKELY. You had no problem believing the entire scumteam would bus Haru. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I said we had to lynch Haru because he wasn't voting, so even if he was town we wouldn't have enough votes to hit scum regardless. Sounds believable. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I'm going to the gym. Jat even agreed with my reasoning on Haru earlier and now he's using it to scumread me, but everyone thinks it's totally okay. 10/10. I don't care how much you 2 are bussing each other. Just die pls. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not moving my vote either. Also, I was town. Nice try. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:05 Holyflare wrote: also nobody listened to obi and he was spot on, jat's night analysis was the worst thing i've ever seen :o! Yes, it was. I just couldn't be bothered to do anything that required more work. But the defensiveness argument was retarded. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote: but wp to jat though deserves belt entirely Thank you <3 | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote: i gave you meta evidence about 100 times that you should have listened to ^_^ | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:14 Holyflare wrote: nk'ing me was the best call Yes it was. I would not dare to post like I did in LYLO if you are alive. Your day1 was scary too you immediately called out Wave AND Haru. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course it was. NKing marv when we did was too because he would have caught on. I have no idea who we would have NKed tonight though Eden. No doubt about it. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:21 Damdred wrote: This was great to read honestly scum played great. JAT and wave good job and somehow haru got everyone to switch to obi scum team op I don't think anyone switched because of Haru ^_^ | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Now I want to play another game I HAVE A TASTE OF VICTORY but bad deadlines Artanis change the deadline time of Cell, k? Yeah? I just want to relax. Imagine rolling scum again O.O | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:30 Eden1892 wrote: Next time Haru! Man I'm not even kidding, at the apex of my brief mad at Wave earlier I thought to myself "what if he's talking about how easy this is because he and Haru are scumbuddies and he thinks he can save his partner and avoid a bus?" and my next thought was "no Simon that's fucking retarded what are you even thinking stop tinfoiling" Impossible. He bussed Haru in the beginning. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:34 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I was even telling you guys that scum do this I actually dropped so many hints I cant remember where they all are Well, you told marv you would keep not fear killing him. You told someone that we don't need help deciding the nightkill.... :D Reading the obs warms my soul. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I have to say I think everybody in this game was a pleasure to play with. I wonder if I would not have thought so as town lol KUSH WE KILLED YOU FIRST /respect Yeh, well played. He will have to quit mafia forever though. Sad stuff. | ||
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On August 13 2014 19:42 marvellosity wrote: So Vivax called me bad and terrible multiple times for wanting to lynch mafia on day 1. Brilliant. Grats scumteam, especially jat, you played great. Thanks ^_^ Please don't scumread me for being trolly/jokey in the future. I would have done it as town and I will do it given the opportunity. This game was just really fun at times regardless of alignment. | ||
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On August 14 2014 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: EDIT: I mean, i don't even know what happened in this game, but i assumed someone got lynched in LYLO because they didn't put effort to the game. Something like that, yeah. ^^ | ||
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On August 14 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote: i was kinda compromised that evening so i shouldn't have been making decisions on anything past about 2h before deadline. Was that when you so weirdly commented on Kush questioning me? Felt so off. | ||
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On August 14 2014 05:41 Eden1892 wrote: I mean tbh it's probably unfair to Cav to say he didn't put effort into LYLO but the heuristic was totally off lol. Like if you had just done POE based on "how hard do they appear to be trying to solve the game at LYLO" you would have 2 mafia in your town pile. RIP me for basically doing that... Yes, but to be honest you still lynch Haru first no questions asked. | ||
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Yes. I am not saying it is neccessarily true that you didn't do anything but you still were lynched for it. | ||
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". The context makes it pretty clear that Haru was his primary scumread, not me. Holyflare has also been intermittently pushing Haru the whole game, and until that post (from what I recall) never outright scumread me. He wanted to on a couple of earlier occasions where I was on his case with kush, but he never did, the way he addressed me was clearly as though I were a townie. I'll go dig up the post(s) that gave me that impression if needed (but not right now leaving for trivia).
