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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 05 2014 14:19 GMT
#1141
On August 05 2014 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:
2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.


but you don't as town and you did in your mafia game

Hey guy I prepared a reply for you that hf criticised. Find it in my filter.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 05 2014 14:22 GMT
#1142
On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
  • Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  • List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  • Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  • In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)


Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.

1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.

2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.

3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.

4) seriously?

1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection.
2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction.
3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information.
4) Yes.


1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv.

2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.

3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk.

4) no.

1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic.
2) See Marv
3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum.
4) Yes.
On August 05 2014 23:19 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?


So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy?

You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:23 GMT
#1143
I just want him to talk to me about gobble.

For realsies.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 05 2014 14:25 GMT
#1144
1) vivax
He defended me against hf's tunnel. However, he isn't posting any conclusive reads till now (ot I'm blind OR it is too explicit). Waiting for his stuff.

wos
I don't know where to place him tbh. He is xhanging my opinions with every posts of his. Ironically, I feel that his scumread on me was peppered with scummy arguments. However, he promised reads. I won't take a stance on this wildcard until I see his conclusive reads that is outside of me (which me promised).

Gk
Goodkarma have been doing nothing that is conclusive, outside of calling me town and calling pooft scum. He have only been pressuring people this d1. I expect to see him step up.



Any of these null reads can AND will fall into scumread if they aren't going to step up similarly, scumreads can move up if they decide to post something meaningful.


2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:27 GMT
#1145
On August 05 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:

2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first.

But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia.

Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody.

And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 05 2014 14:28 GMT
#1146
Haru why aren't you engaging me on reasons that you think that I'm mafia? You have a million scumreads but you're only defending yourself and not trying to figure out my alignment. Given how many scumreads you have it seems unlikely you're convinced on me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:28 GMT
#1147
like gobble probably has the best post:content ratio in the game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 05 2014 14:30 GMT
#1148
On August 05 2014 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
  • Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  • List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  • Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  • In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)


Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.

1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.

2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.

3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.

4) seriously?

1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection.
2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction.
3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information.
4) Yes.


1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv.

2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.

3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk.

4) no.

1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic.
2) See Marv
3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum.
4) Yes.
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:19 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?


So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy?

You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously?


1) if it is so obvious, explain it to me.

2) see my reply to marv

3) promises create a situation where people actually do things. While the rest with no indication of any content will probably not post jackshit d1. I don't see how those are concrete if I can dispute them. No.

4) no.

Like what eden said, half the town isn't scumhunting. Those that aren't will be in there. This shouldn't be surprising. I am having a hard time confirming anyone as town.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 05 2014 14:35 GMT
#1149
1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game.
2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean.
3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 05 2014 14:35 GMT
#1150
On August 05 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:

2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first.

But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia.

Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody.

And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all.


That is purely a coincidence. I did not take anyone's read on others into account. This is purely my own.

'I could be persuaded to vote Haru.
Obi: Null read atm  
Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.'

These shows me he is pretty null on them.

'But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero.'

This shows me that he is waiting for pooft to produce content.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 05 2014 14:36 GMT
#1151
Also, what I'm asking is is the reasoning you used earlier (scum hiding in top town) relevant to your own list? Do you think it's likely there's scum hiding in your (top) town list?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:39 GMT
#1152
On August 05 2014 23:35 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:

2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first.

But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia.

Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody.

And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all.


That is purely a coincidence. I did not take anyone's read on others into account. This is purely my own.

'I could be persuaded to vote Haru.
Obi: Null read atm  
Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.'

These shows me he is pretty null on them.

'But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero.'

This shows me that he is waiting for pooft to produce content.

so you picked out one of the only times in his whole filter where he isn't totally decisive. this is coming across as a horrible misrepresentation of his filter...

don't understand the point you're trying to make about poofter/content either and why it would make gobble mafia
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22271 Posts
August 05 2014 14:41 GMT
#1153
Marv wtf are you doing
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:41 GMT
#1154
On August 05 2014 23:41 Vivax wrote:
Marv wtf are you doing

...

wtf are you doing?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22271 Posts
August 05 2014 14:42 GMT
#1155
Like, you put it out there that I could be scum for some unknown reason, then some guy says something about him being indifferent about me and you go all like "yes, yes precisely", then kush says why he thinks I'm town and you go "he does that shit all the time at mafia".
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:42 GMT
#1156
and?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 05 2014 14:42 GMT
#1157
Haru I'm going to be here for another 10 minutes or so refreshing frequently awaiting questions for your top scumread. Now's your chance.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 05 2014 14:44 GMT
#1158
On August 05 2014 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game.
2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean.
3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it.


The difference is:

Person A promised content:
if delivered, will be tbd.
If not delivered, lying. Will probably be scumread.

Person B did not promise content.
If delivered/not delivered, no impact on scumread on him.

You can prove me wrong, but can you prove that pooft/obi will?
However, I can prove that wos/vivax must produce content in d1 or they will be scumread.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22271 Posts
August 05 2014 14:44 GMT
#1159
I'm just going to say this: I'm going to do my thing in the next hours, but if you think I'm scum then you've either become bad at this game or scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 05 2014 14:45 GMT
#1160
On August 05 2014 23:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm just going to say this: I'm going to do my thing in the next hours, but if you think I'm scum then you've either become bad at this game or scum.

Neither is true and you very well know it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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