World Heavyweight Championship mafia III - Page 57

On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.





Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.

A while later, he posts this gem.






Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.

I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.

On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone:


he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous

On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:


wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing.

Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive.

Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle.

On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:

• Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  
• List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  
• Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  
• In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)

On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:


wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing.

On August 04 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote:


Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?

For example, the way you judge town is probably going to be different from pooft, who plays tons of video mafia, and different from me, who plays tons of game mafia (sc2/wc3).

Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos.

Explain to me, marv.

On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:


wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing.

Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive.

Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle.

On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:

• Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  
• List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  
• Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  
• In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)

On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:


Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.

1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.

2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.

3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.

4) seriously?

On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote:


Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.

On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection.
2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction.
3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information.
4) Yes.

On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:
2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.

On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?