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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:A case on HaruRH:Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am
not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:
the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out
there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently.
Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed.
Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this).
Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all.
Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking.
Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
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Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.
LOL learn to read, gobble.
I null read some of the people who had done the same, but the difference was that they promised to step it up later. While the scumreads I have now don't want to promise anything (worried about being committal?)
I hope you can reread and give me a reason that makes me look mafia, or else this is omgus level 9000.
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Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
- Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
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On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone: Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous
wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing.
Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive.
Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle.
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone: On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive. Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle.
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On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone: On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing.
this is just convoluted and explains nothing, by the way.
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On August 04 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:On August 04 2014 23:23 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe. Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread. The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia... Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge? For example, the way you judge town is probably going to be different from pooft, who plays tons of video mafia, and different from me, who plays tons of game mafia (sc2/wc3). Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos.Explain to me, marv.
This is the post that felt really awkward. How is this important and all? It just feels like he wanted to add in something of substance, yet he hadn't even read the interactions between me and wos properly or he would've instantly found out.
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone: On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive. Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle.
why the fuck would I promise to make a read, either I make a read and I post it, or I don't and you don't get to hear it.
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Also if I'm right and Haru is scum I'm rescinding that I played bad and you can all suck it.
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On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.
1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.
2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.
3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.
4) seriously?
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Deadline's at 9AM my time, I'm going to sleep now.
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On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too. 1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part. 2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument. 3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me. 4) seriously?
1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection.
2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction.
3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information.
4) Yes.
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On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.
This is still incorrect. Like what both me and kush have said, the differece in game type might have an effect on how scum plays. Normally I would be content with scumreads, but with this vanilla game, I have to consider the option that scums would 100% want to hide in top town over lurking.
It is important. Not to you, but to me. Don't use your heuristics on me.
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Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?
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Like it doesn't make sense because scum would always want to appear as townie as possible, but I'm trying to use your logic here.
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I still don't understand why gobble is mafia for suspecting the same people that you do.
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On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too. 1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part. 2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument. 3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me. 4) seriously? 1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection. 2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction. 3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information. 4) Yes.
1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv.
2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.
3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk.
4) no.
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On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:
2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.
but you don't as town and you did in your mafia game
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but if you can satisfactorily explain this gobble thing to me, that would help a lot.
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On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?
So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy?
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