EPTOn August 05 2014 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
well, I'm kinda waiting to see what happens.
and all that.
well, I'm kinda waiting to see what happens.
and all that.when nothing has happened what other reaction were you expecting?
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Holyflare
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when nothing has happened what other reaction were you expecting? | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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On August 05 2014 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: hey i just woke up and was catching up from my last post on p23, but around halfway thru p28, i said "nah fuck it" who we killin? it's wave right? i might just move my vote there but first i have to do something ##UNVOTE: Artanis[Xp] ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi scummiest scum that ever scummed get d1'd again sucker lel. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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On August 05 2014 02:03 Holyflare wrote: when nothing has happened what other reaction were you expecting? What pisses me off is that I can't even talk about this. Like half of this game is going to end up in code. It's ridiculous. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
On August 05 2014 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: hey i just woke up and was catching up from my last post on p23, but around halfway thru p28, i said "nah fuck it" who we killin? it's wave right? i might just move my vote there but first i have to do something ##UNVOTE: Artanis[Xp] ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi scummiest scum that ever scummed get d1'd again sucker My hero <3 And nah, we're still policy lynching marv. /towncircle | ||
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justanothertownie
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Any conclusions? | ||
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Eden1892
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I actually voted for Wave. I just wanted to prod Cav because I figured he might get mad or at least drop a "wtf" if I came out of nowhere and voted for him. However Cav is clever and realized my vote was fake so he didn't get mad. Cav would get mad as scum because he knew I was expecting that he would get mad as town, soooo he is scum for keeping his cool. ##UNVOTE: WaveofShadow ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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marvellosity
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On August 05 2014 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: ~ It Was A Reaction Test ~ I actually voted for Wave. I just wanted to prod Cav because I figured he might get mad or at least drop a "wtf" if I came out of nowhere and voted for him. However Cav is clever and realized my vote was fake so he didn't get mad. Cav would get mad as scum because he knew I was expecting that he would get mad as town, soooo he is scum for keeping his cool. ##UNVOTE: WaveofShadow ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi you're dumb. | ||
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Eden1892
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ObiWanShibrobi who is your scum read so I can sheep u to victory | ||
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marvellosity
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but also maybe not. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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Eden1892
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forget it i'm doin my own thing ##UNVOTE: ObiWanXinobi ##VOTE: WaveofShadow once i go post my real vote in the voting thread i'll explain why we should kill wos | ||
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Eden1892
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Artanis[Xp]
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justanothertownie
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On August 05 2014 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We shouldn't lynch WoS, he's confirmed town. I thought I was clear on this. It is really getting old. | ||
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marvellosity
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agreed | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
third | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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Also problematic to me is that the only thing I've seen that I would consider a respectable counterargument to the tone didn't come from WoS himself. Haru made a reasonable argument to me about WoS's time off prior to this game. I could see someone being rusty after some time off regardless of alignment and coming off rusty that way. I just have an intuitive read that that isn't what's happening. But Wave himself doesn't address this at all... seriously, go read, he doesn't. Why not? In fact, he turns around and scumreads Haru for defending him! And then in subsequent posts he doubles down on the idea that the only reasonable defense of his early stiff play was scummy. - When I asked Wave what was scum-motivated about Haru's read on him, I got a pretty bad response back. I've covered it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?page=19#371 No reply from him yet on it, in fact less response than I expected in general from it which is disappointing. I think it's a good post. Wave clearly displays some next-level reading skills in his read on Vivax, but then it doesn't translate to his scumread. In fact I would even argue that Wave's read on Vivax (quoted in above post) is, fundamentally, the same as Haru's read on Wave. Both of them are providing a reasonable, town-motivation explanation for the behavior of a player who was coming under fire in the thread at the time, being willing to look beyond the immediate mafia heuristic available and say "Hey, I don't think it works this time." Basically I don't see, still, why he scumreads Haru at all. And the timing of it is really sketchy considering the lack of solid argumentation for it: it was right around the time that Haru started coming under fire for his read on Wave, and attention had subsequently started to shift off of Wave. It was the ideal timing for scum to jump onto something vulnerable and get attention off of themselves. Combine it with the superficiality of the read itself and we're onto something here, friends. Also want to talk briefly about Haru. I don't think he's scum. I think he phrased the +1-1 thing a little awkwardly, but it seems so obviously coming from the POV of a townie who said the first thing that came to mind that I'm mystified as to how it's being read otherwise. People have commented on Haru's filter being superficial and safe, but I don't see it at all! I see the opposite. He went completely against the flow of the thread to give what I think was an insightful read on Wave's behavior. It's a read I ultimately disagree with, but it's still an intelligent read that indicates to me that someone's trying. Remember that scum have to force rather a lot of ML's this game, four in total to win. I don't understand why scum!Haru, facing the task of getting four people ML'd to win, would bother going against the grain early to defend someone who looks legitimately shady. Nor do I consider that WIFOM, WIFOM involves situations where both options under consideration have a more-or-less equal payout and I really don't think that defending shady townies has anywhere close to an equal payout over the long run with such a long game. TL;DR: - Wave is scum because of stiff early posting + nonsensical scum read - Haru is town and it's silly that people are calling his filter superficial | ||
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