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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 04 2014 06:25 GMT
#361
Eden who is my scumread?
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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:31 GMT
#362
On August 04 2014 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eden who is my scumread?

sigh gonna make me look huh

Haru for... a weird defense of you, do I have that right? Some q's on that:
- Are you not interested in exploring that weird defense further?
- What's weird about his defense of you exactly?
- What's scum-motivated about his defense of you exactly?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 04 2014 06:32 GMT
#363
On August 04 2014 15:31 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eden who is my scumread?

sigh gonna make me look huh

Haru for... a weird defense of you, do I have that right? Some q's on that:
- Are you not interested in exploring that weird defense further?
- What's weird about his defense of you exactly?
- What's scum-motivated about his defense of you exactly?

I'm pretty sure all of that is explained in a basic form in the same post you just looked at.
Tsk tsk Eden. I am disappoint.
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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:35 GMT
#364
I'm not asking just to ask... if I thought the explanation was satisfactory then I wouldn't be asking

Care to oblige me anyway? Particularly with the last question, which I don't think you explored in that explanation, despite your claim to the contrary
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 04 2014 06:38 GMT
#365
I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.

Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.

Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 04 2014 06:38 GMT
#366
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.
On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 04 2014 06:39 GMT
#367
Attention *turned to him
I fucking hate doing this on ipad
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 04 2014 06:39 GMT
#368
See you guys in the evening.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 06:41 GMT
#369
On August 04 2014 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Attention *turned to him
I fucking hate doing this on ipad


read what you wrote before pressing post?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 04 2014 06:42 GMT
#370
On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.

Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.
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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:57 GMT
#371
On August 04 2014 15:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.

Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.

Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too.

no, I knew it was Haru; I phrased it like I didn't because I find people tend to be more eager to oblige me that way if they really believe someone is scum, since they want to convince me of their read

and... what? he's not hard defending you. he said that your earlier stiff play could be the result of not playing for a while and that he reads you null for stiff play. furthermore this stance has been consistent, so how did he ever "grab an out"?

my main problem right now is that this read seems really superficial to me. you have to assume haru is mafia for this to make sense, and it writes off the very reasonable alternative that he's town and (imo) the better explanation for his behavior. this wouldn't be a problem, as many players good and bad struggle with giving non-superficial reads sometimes, especially early in the game. but then you turn right around with this:
On August 04 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.
On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.

Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.

which imo was a good job reading into vivax past the most obvious conclusion. so you're clearly capable of reading into a post and recognizing a superior but non-obvious conclusion... yet you're not doing this with haru?

and then at the end there's this throwaway comment about haru and goodkarma being scum. do you intend to follow up on this at all? what makes you think they might both be scum and if it's so interesting why just leave it hanging?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 04 2014 07:09 GMT
#372
On August 04 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.
On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.

Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.


Disagree. I think he has a point.

Idk, I'm just lacking energy right now. Wave's posts are giving me weird/bad vibes but that's about it.

I have a couple other reads but I need some time to give them, mostly because I need to figure out how to word them.
Retired.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 07:11 GMT
#373
On August 04 2014 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 09:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume.

I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along.

Now, time to gather some feels.



this is eerily similar opening to your mafia game though

What's similar about it?


the fact you feel disheartened/seemingly disappointed about getting a 'town' pm which is exactly what you did in your game as mafia and you haven't done it in your town games that i checked just now in your profile (newest town ones)


you rolled mafia didn't you ?


actual scum hunting here, incredibly suspicious of artanis now that he called wave confirmed town

HF confirmed for not reading my filter.

LOL Artanis that made me laugh
HF do you actually think that there is a good reason for anyone to call me confirmed town right now? And whether or not the answer is yes, why would scum artanis bother with that? You're better than that, my dear. What are you fishing for?


This is enough for me to townread WoS d1.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 07:44 GMT
#374
hf
  1. he assumed Artanis' scumread was serious and scum motivated, when it was clearly derp (WoS' point)
    On August 04 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On August 04 2014 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
    On August 04 2014 08:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On August 04 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
    On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
    Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume.

    I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along.

    Now, time to gather some feels.



    this is eerily similar opening to your mafia game though

    What's similar about it?


    the fact you feel disheartened/seemingly disappointed about getting a 'town' pm which is exactly what you did in your game as mafia and you haven't done it in your town games that i checked just now in your profile (newest town ones)


    you rolled mafia didn't you ?


    actual scum hunting here, incredibly suspicious of artanis now that he called wave confirmed town

  2. Very superficial application of meta
    On August 04 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
    if someone does something the one time he plays scum and then never again as town then most probably

  3. I think he is intentionally misrepresenting Haru when he pushes him with this post:
    On August 04 2014 09:51 Holyflare wrote:
    I can't get over how weird that haru post is actually. It's very mafiaish. The first sentence

    Show nested quote +
    His meta read could probably be thrown away after him not playing for months - I would certainly change a lot in 3 months.


    Is very generalised and doesn't address any of the point that i made at all. Wave HASN'T done it ever, it's not like it's a way to play mafia he's changed up it's a specific thing he hasn't done as town in the past like 10 games and he has done it as scum. How does 3 months = big change effect anything to do with anything? If wave hasn't played for 3 months what changes that this meta read would be affected by? Why would he suddenly be sad to roll town after 3 months and i just understand how this specific thing could even change.


    What is mafaish about that sentence? HF is arguing Haru's use of meta is wrong, when in actuality Haru says he doesn't want to use meta at all.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 04 2014 08:25 GMT
#375
On August 04 2014 16:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 04 2014 09:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume.

I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along.

Now, time to gather some feels.



this is eerily similar opening to your mafia game though

What's similar about it?


the fact you feel disheartened/seemingly disappointed about getting a 'town' pm which is exactly what you did in your game as mafia and you haven't done it in your town games that i checked just now in your profile (newest town ones)


you rolled mafia didn't you ?


actual scum hunting here, incredibly suspicious of artanis now that he called wave confirmed town

HF confirmed for not reading my filter.

LOL Artanis that made me laugh
HF do you actually think that there is a good reason for anyone to call me confirmed town right now? And whether or not the answer is yes, why would scum artanis bother with that? You're better than that, my dear. What are you fishing for?


This is enough for me to townread WoS d1.


Heading off to bed, but I need a reason as to why you townread this post.
Retired.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 08:31 GMT
#376
cause i agreed with it. You didn't?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 08:34 GMT
#377
On August 04 2014 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 11:44 Vivax wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:34 Vivax wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.


wat

this doesnt make sense


Why not?


cause you dont enjoy playing scum and we know that.


I thought we established that I do but I don't know what I'm doing.


Where did we establish this?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 04 2014 08:38 GMT
#378
I have nothing against agreeing with it.

My issue is that I really don't like Wave's pacing/terminology when it comes to his posts. I don't know, call it a gut read or whatever, but the last time I played with Wave he was supertown and he was so breezy and carefree and towny and junk. I don't see any of that here. Wave feels really calculated in his posts, almost like he cares way too much.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid. Looking at this paragraph after I've typed it out makes me think that I'm reaching conspiracy-theory levels of reading into things. I'll sleep on it, it's almost 5 AM anyway.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 04 2014 08:39 GMT
#379
On August 04 2014 17:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:44 Vivax wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:34 Vivax wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.


wat

this doesnt make sense


Why not?


cause you dont enjoy playing scum and we know that.


I thought we established that I do but I don't know what I'm doing.


Where did we establish this?


Storm.

I like being mafia but I don't know how to play scum well. I was hoping I'd roll it here, but wharvez.
Retired.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 04 2014 08:42 GMT
#380
On August 04 2014 17:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have nothing against agreeing with it.

My issue is that I really don't like Wave's pacing/terminology when it comes to his posts. I don't know, call it a gut read or whatever, but the last time I played with Wave he was supertown and he was so breezy and carefree and towny and junk. I don't see any of that here. Wave feels really calculated in his posts, almost like he cares way too much.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid. Looking at this paragraph after I've typed it out makes me think that I'm reaching conspiracy-theory levels of reading into things. I'll sleep on it, it's almost 5 AM anyway.


tone reading wos based on 3 month stale meta seems like a terrible idea
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