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On August 06 2014 23:33 Seeyalater wrote: Tolk I gotta say, if you were here before the hammer, which it seems like you were, and didn't fix your vote, I can't say I'm liking that. What exactly do you mean? | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:11 Seeyalater wrote: You changed your vote to me, but you did it all wrong, and didn't bother fixing it. ...how so? The vote was fine. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:41 Seeyalater wrote: You forgot to ##UNVOTE ...I haven't unvoted for like days now. It's pretty sporadic if I do or not. It has no actual effect anything except an extra line of writing since my vote counts anyways. See: my D1 vote onto DC. | ||
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I'm sure you can find scummier things than that in my filter. In fact, I know you can because GB just called me out on forgetting that we did indeed establish that vigi isn't in the game D2 in his filter. (slipped my mind lol). | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:17 Seeyalater wrote: I didn't say I didn't like you, I just found it #awk.... Tolk I gotta say, if you were here before the hammer, which it seems like you were, and didn't fix your vote, I can't say I'm liking that. ?_? | ||
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On August 07 2014 08:48 Seeyalater wrote: I didn't like the ACTION it self, I didn't say YOU. ye, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with the action because my vote is still coming through. ![[image loading]](http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070420152052/wowwiki/images/2/2b/Emot-psyduck.gif) | ||
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On August 07 2014 10:59 Seeyalater wrote: Ok, so you were supposed to be really sure GB was town, but you said you couldn't change your vote on his current train(Wade) because of his cop claim. So then he was like, ok I'll switch to seeya, and he did. Then you "switched" your vote for me, but you didn't do it right, so it wouldn't have counted anyways. And GB even called you out on your wrong formatting, and yet you still didn't change it, when you were clearly in the vicinity since you posted popcorn not too long after. The formatting didn't matter. The vote still counted for you. For instance: On July 31 2014 13:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: And nevermind, meat has been talking. Hmm. Alright, for now, #vote DCLXVI This is how I swapped onto DC from meat. No unvote, but w/e it counted so...yeah. Haru, did my vote count for seeya or not THAT's what I'm getting at. And the fact that you're acting so awkward about right now is not a good sign. ??? I'm still honestly confused what this is all about. I'm seriously + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA3NzMyMzU1MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjc1ODUwMg@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg) | ||
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a) he doesn't mention me at all, nor responds to my directed question at him. b) he only mentions seeyalater in passing (as part of his Teemu cases), and responds to seeya in regards to that case; effectively no interaction. c) he starts a really weak case against TehPoofter and backs out of it in his very next post (???). The other notable feature in his filter is, as I've stated before, his complete lack of defense. Just this: On July 31 2014 14:09 DCLXVI wrote: My head is spinning too much to read all of this, but me dying would not be in the best interest of the town because I know I'm town and I at least post opinions that can read and analyzed, rather than straight parroting when specifically asked to talk instead of lurking: Goodnight, hope I'm still alive in the morning. And a vote change onto Meatpudding. No defense when he could've saved himself if he actually pushed onto Meat (since MP was still clinging to the idea that Teemu was mafia and wouldn't change his vote). This still perplexes me and still leaves me to conclude that he was bussed. As myself and TehPoofter are the only ones alive on the DC train and I know I'm not mafia, well... This requires a SHITTON of WIFOM though. It's difficult to read the bandwagon on DC since everyone's reasons for voting him tended to be kinda short and meh (Poofter's vote was ostensibly just to pressure, lilwade voted because HE'S MAFIA, I voted because he posted literally nothing and meat was talking to us at this point, etc), and, quite frankly. I don't think it'd be a good idea to actually do any sort of this bussing when they could've saved mafia. But I digress. I'd be suspicious of TehPoofter purely because if this was set up, TehPoofter looks about as good as he can get from it. On Nightkills: I find it difficult to make much out of the NKs, and quite frankly I don't like dealing with them because it verges into WIFOM territory. Nonetheless, N1: Jenny. Everyone called her a top town so I'm not exactly surprised by her death. But before she died, she top town'd Poofter, scummedd meatpudding, and null'd seeya/lilwade. N2: Teemu. Beats me, honestly. I don't see much of a compelling reason to NK him. The only posts relevant to LYLO D2/N2 currently would appear to be: On August 01 2014 13:57 Teemursu wrote: Yeah.. Okay then. lynch meat tomorrow and cop check Seeyalater -> game probably solved. On August 01 2014 15:37 Teemursu wrote: inb4 Tolkien is mafia because perfect information. lel N3: lilwade. Was cop, not much else to say I think. Overall, I don't see much utility in analyzing any of these NKs, but either of you are welcome to pursue this avenue. Right now, the fact that Seeya is actually questioning me as town is a good sign. I still have no idea why everyone was putting me up as solid town. Besides that, the question is whether or not I believe cya is godfather, as lilwade is who he says he is so that's the only possibility. Doubtful but I am sure as hell not ruling out that possibility. Tunneling bad. As a result, I'm going on a limb and gonna say: #Vote TehPoofter Going by my gut. I still need to digest your filters. Poofter, your pre-N1 filter is still painful to read through purely because of the amount of fluff in it, and constitute 7.5 pages of your filter. Yeah. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:48 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh Btw I'm town. I don't know if I had said that before. If the other town could claim I think this is auto. Is that right? I am iron town. | ||
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On August 07 2014 15:58 Seeyalater wrote: What do I mean by my eyes have opened? Holy shit, I don't know how Tolkien has been so town for me this far. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=67#1321 Ok here is one of the biggest examples I found. He said that Jenny had Meat on her prime d2 wagon, and yet, what was one of the last things Jenny said? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=43#854 Exactly the opposite, in fact she was starting to doubt MP was a mafia after seeing so many people push on him. Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night. Then we N1, where Poofter and Jenny were joking with each other about their "wedding" and the soft role claims. Which if he was mafia, maybe that's another reason Jenny died D1, because since she was so towny, she almost seemed like she coulda have had more info(like cop check), and then Tolk coulda killed her because of this, hoping to hit a power role. Then not much later on- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=988&topic_id=462654 which as Poof later pointed out, could have been a ploy to deflect scum being thrown on to him. wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused. Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat. Also notice how most of day 1, he didn't really mention clockwork at all until the push on him with Poofter and Jenny started to happen, which was at that point where he switched his thoughts. Also, notice how Clock never even mentioned Tolk at all while he was still alive. You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think. And then while filter diving you I realize that yes, your formatting d1 was wrong but somehow the mod allowed it to count, but told me mine wasn't. However, your reaction to me asking you about this was real bad. Also, GB pointed out it was formatted incorrectly as well right below your post. These are just after some filter dives, so basically what I'm trying to say, is no one should be off the table for tomorrow. I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok. Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position. In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum? I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am. | ||
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Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat. I have to reiterate this. You can conduct it, but I won't buy it. It opens the door too far too much WIFOM and idle speculation. The only one who actually knows anything about it is mafia. For instance, who else could've died N1? There was no other "top town" that night besides Poofter, and if Poofter is scum he's not going to shoot himself. | ||
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On August 08 2014 09:55 Tehpoofter wrote: If you had to say who put in the most effort this game... Who really tried the most out of everyone. Who was trying to scum hunt. Name the top 3 names. In no particular order, Glowing (judging mostly on his D3 and was why I was willing to give him a chance at living, his D2 was fucking terrible), Jenny (before she died), and (currently) seeya. OVERALL, I can replace seeya with you. And I could replace Jenny with me considering she died prematurely. But in any event, mafia can post frequently; there's no rule to say that mafia doesn't put in as much effort into posting as town does. You have had your moments. Your D1/N1 filter was fucking massive (though probably 50%+ fluff), but past that you've been pretty...meh. I'll be honest, you haven't been pushing for much at all past D1. D2 you make a bunch of "here's why everyone else is mafia" posts but...I'll be honest, it wasn't very effective if you're town. I think someone else mentioned it back then, but reviewing it from a mafia point of view, it's a way of contributing without actually pushing a bandwagon, per se. You were going to push a D3 bandwagon onto Seeya, and you were waffling as to whether to drop it after lilwade's claim, and pushed Glowing afterwards. Still, you maintained that seeya was most likely godfather and didn't press it despite the opportunity opening up (then again, you may have been asleep, that happens I guess). Perhaps I'm second-guessing you much harder than I am seeya specifically because you were hyped up to be a great player and are still living. As for the whole you claiming blue thing: I was mostly considering possible role balance. If town had 2 power roles, it would almost guarantee a godfather in the game and basically render lilwade's claim+check irrelevant D3. In which case, seeya would've been a relevant lynch candidate D3 for me early D3. I supported GlowingBear in his seeya lynch D3, but mostly because I got the feeling that Glowing was really, REALLY town after how desperate his posts sounded and how much he was arguing with me. If I had to choose at that point, I'dve rather seen you go than Glowing (complete opposite situation with D2, ironically) at the time. | ||
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So this'll be my last attempt to save town. I really want to sleep, but I'll be on until the flip just so we have a shot at this. On August 08 2014 10:36 Seeyalater wrote: Ok I have a question for you then. How are you so sure I'm the last town then? You said you were reevaluating, but what exactly led you to believe me over him? No, I don't believe you're godfather. 1) role balance, 2) you've actually been fairly openminded last night/today and at least been forward about your opinions, and 3) I've had and continue to have a town read on you. 2) True scum: TehPoofter On August 08 2014 10:00 Tehpoofter wrote: This post really hit me when re-reading tolkien's filter last night and is the first thing I want to bring into light. Tolkien says here for the first time about cya might be godfather ONLY because I claimed. I think it really did mess him up cause even if seeya and lilwade are confirmed as mafia he can still win but THEN when I claim vigi he suddenly realizes "OH SHIT HOW CAN I WIN NOW IM GOING TO BE POE?!!!?!?!?!!?" This is a paniced mafia post imo. I glazed over it that day cause I was too drawn onto seeya. But this post howls. Uhhh, What. How is this a panicked anything post. On August 08 2014 10:55 Tehpoofter wrote: The filter dive really led me too it. I noticed that al ot of the things you have done are more likely to fall into the "too scummy to be scum" category. Also Tolkien's filter is full of a lot of fishy stuff like I pointed out with the vigi claim. Your effort seems to be real this game to me you seem to be evaluating things properly. You also were green checked by a cop and if the setup was 1 cop 1 godfather thats pretty poorly balanced as cop at that point is merely a "hope you hit Haru" person. This is EXACTLY WHY I was willing to consider seeya as possible godfather and a viable D3 lynch candidate when you made the joke claim. I was trying to get a mass claim SO WE COULD FIGURE OUT how useful seeya's green check was. What the heck were you doing D3 exactly? On August 08 2014 10:27 Seeyalater wrote: I was going back home from work. And no for the last time, 1. Im not the godfather 2. Why would there be one with only cop as town power role!? This was kind of my point and I'm not sure why me suddenly opening up the possibility of you being godfather on a blue claim (yes, I know there's no vigi, had a brainfart, meh). Your case on me is never going to hold water. I'm gonna try to, difficult as it may be. Not gonna let you win. I believed in my read on seeya Id have lynched him without the cop claim (sorry seeya) but he has since stepped up his game a large amount adn seems more invested also the information from the cop helps a tremendous amount. I'm good at video mafia forum mafia I'm still relatively new maybe 15 games under my belt and honestly not the best finding mafia rate I think this is one of the first games an early scum read of mine has flipped red so I'm really happy about the way it turned out. If you're town Tolkien your job from this point forward is to convince me seeya is the godfather and why thats the case. (I don't think it is) I'm literally never mafia in this case EVER. Your case is non-substantiated. Feel free to talk with me more if you'd like and you're town and I'll convince you to unvote. If you're the mafia your only winning play is to try to convince me its seeya cause I have so much evidence I'M town its unreal and you won't be able to convince anyone falsely I'm mafia. I've got enough of a case on you, and I'm not convinced seeya is godfather so why should I try to convince you of that? Now that I'm through with Poofter's filter, On August 08 2014 10:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Also explain to me why I didn't switch off DC and why I pushed for his lynch? Why am I busing so hard day 1? Do you think I was intentionally making the game super hard on myself? Like why would I do that. Why wouldn't I take the easy move off DC that I could have done naturally based on a post where I said something about moving to Meat anyways. 1) What was there to switch off from? Literally his only defense was "I'm town guys, I'm going to bed", and a voteswitch to meatpudding from Teemu. There was literally nothing to switch off from. Meanwhile, meat was at least talking. The non-defense really just brings up red flags for me, as I noted in my N1 post. Makes it all seemed planned. D2: outside of posting seal pictures and exposing to everyone your Canadianness, your contributions were to: 1) passively push the meatpudding lynch, and 2) make a "scumminess" post about everyone else in the game. Those are the kind of post(s) which appears useful, but in reality are...useless. You didn't push an alternate bandwagon D2, you didn't press ANYONE on anything in particular, and overall throwing scum on everyone just makes town more confused. N2: You start your case onto Seeya. All well and good. D3: Poofter's posts following lilwade's cop claim and rolecheck on seeya reads VERY scummy to me. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 17:51 Tehpoofter wrote: I honestly think Seeya is mafia and if you're cop wouldn't be surprised if he is godfather. On August 05 2014 17:54 Tehpoofter wrote: bleh. I'm like super convinced I'm right. ##unvote cause if im wrong I'll be the worst ever. On August 05 2014 18:09 Tehpoofter wrote: Fuck it. ##Vote SeeyaLater I WANT TO BE RIGHT SO BAD and if this is true its just GB. and we win and I was right yesterday. Instead of re-evaluating it, he's trying to find a way to push his bandwagon against the claim. And while he tries to claim seeya is probably godfather here, he does nothing to try and CHECK to see if such a role would make sense. I'm the one who tries to check roles to see if a second blue role is present, which would dramatically increase the chance of a godfather as the last mafia, and hence make seeya a good D3 lynch candidate (he wasn't, but as Glowing wasn't shifting it to Poofter and by how frantic he was, I was more sure he was town that you were). Instead he swaps to Glowing and leaves it there. | ||
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