EPTAs in every previous Titanic game, the role of Janitor does still exist.
this hides the role or flips it?
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this hides the role or flips it? /in dvorak new world symphony | ||
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worst instrument of all time. hard as fuck to play. sounds like shit. you can't play any songs. | ||
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As in every previous Titanic game, the role of Janitor does still exist. this hides the role or flips it? | ||
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On July 20 2014 15:37 Chairman Ray wrote: /in Franz Liszt - Liebestraum how will people reading their role pm be enforced? | ||
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On July 20 2014 20:29 marvellosity wrote: "tried" to tell you about it? How do you fail? her best friend tried to tell her about it, but she plugged her ears or something because she didn't want to think about it. | ||
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On July 20 2014 15:37 Chairman Ray wrote: /in how will people reading their role pm be enforced? | ||
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if you don't read your role pm you become unreadable. People need to read their role pm for the game to work. Imagine if no one read their role pm. The winning alignment would be decided randomly or by game mechanics. Talking to people in the thread would serve no purpose, and it would turn into a giant circle jerk. dont say deal with it by plynch, cause then the cheater just won't tell anyone they didn't read the role pm. | ||
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On July 22 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote: Tbh, I actually have nothing against people not reading their role PMs, it's just one of many tactics people use to mess with everyone else. However I will always instantly policy lynch anyone claiming to not have read their role PM, and if I don't know they didn't read their role PM, I don't care if they can be scummy or not, they're just as lynchable. it is 100% cheating. it is the worst form of cheating. plynch is not a solution, because then they just won't tell anyone. | ||
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On July 22 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote: Are we really resorting to such measures just to make sure people read their roles? we don't have to, but there should be a rule against it. and if it is suspected that someone did not read their role, we should check scum qt to make sure they conversed with the scum team. And if they did not, they will receive a 5 game ban. | ||
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On July 22 2014 11:44 batsnacks wrote: Really? I mean I can't comprehend why this is an issue at all. I know you think it worked for you last game but, seriously, this doesn't work. no, not really I was kidding. Although I do think there should be measured placed against it IF people are doing it. A gentlemanly agreement also might be fine. Have you thought through the implications of not knowing your role or not knowing your scumteam? It makes you unreadable. If you are town, there's no downside there, because it is like playing normal. If you are scum, there is the upside of being unreadable and looking like town, with the ability to provide genuine scum reads. There is also the downside of unintentionally busing your team. If your reads are usually pretty bad then this downside won't even affect you. OK so for a good player there is the downside I mentioned. But what if two people on the scum team didn't look at their role pm? Hypothetically you would have two people on the scumteam acting like perfect townies, both town reading each other. What if no one read their role pm? You could have zero second days, because the outcome of the game would be randomly decided. If lynches are randomly chosen every day then scum wins most games. | ||
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On July 22 2014 13:20 batsnacks wrote: Not reading your role is disadvantageous compared to reading your role no matter what alignments or circumstances. By not reading your role you are giving up every tool you have to win. I could see how it could maybe make sense in a small setup with zero power roles on day 1 only but... even then people will probably just lynch you for it (I would). As soon as power roles enter into the picture by not reading your role you are risking throwing out all the tools your team may have for winning in exchange for... being unreadable? That doesn't make sense. ok.. 1 no one would lynch you for it, because you don't tell anyone you are doing it. 2 the optimal way to do it is not look at your role pm d1, then near the end of n1 look at your role pm to see if you have a pr. if you are scum do not look at who is on your scumteam. I know you come from epicmafia where mechanics play a big role because games are so short. But I think games with longer days tend to be more about reads of players' behaviors and logic, which you can't do to someone who doesn't know their role/doesn't know their scumteam. | ||
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It's playing against win con as mafia because you're supposed to be a team and the game is supposed to be balanced on nerves of knowing who your team is and thus town finds those connections. that's for mafia wincon not against. and neutral to your wincon if you roll town. That's why there has to be a special rule against it, or else the play to your wincon rule actually dictates that you should do it. | ||
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On July 23 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Chopin Liszt I'll be an asshole in this situation On July 23 2014 02:22 Damdred wrote: You sir are the king of randomness sometimes, reasons may i have them? seems kind of contradictory doesn't it damdred? u didn't have reasons behind your vote on chopin so why would obi have reasons for his vote on you? | ||
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On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote: Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him". He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic. While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory. I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? | ||
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On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote: If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? | ||
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On July 23 2014 10:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what do we even do? How are we supposed to start this game in earnest without policy lynching the hydra smurf? huh? There's no reason to plynch him. Judge him by his reads. | ||
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On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote: The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff. wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? | ||
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i find her scummy. i find her reasonings weak. her damdred/xatalos reads are weird. she wants to lynch xatalos but she only finds one thing minorly scummy about him? anyway i have zero certainty in the read at the moment but like I said it's a placeholder. BTW xatalos seems town to me. I'm pretty sure ive seen him comment on himself like that as town. I don't find his list especially scummy. it looked more like keeping track of early impressions more than anything else. | ||
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xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred and The only issue I have with xatalos is how [...] seem like inconsistency in the strength of your reads? And those posts, quoted below, were next to each other in your filter. On July 23 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote: I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred. Xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred. I would rather lynch xatalos and plynch liszt today over lynching into a scum that I am not confident of. On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote: The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff. | ||
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-the difference between you and xatalos, why you are scummy and xatalos is not, is because your reads are stronger than the evidence supports, whereas xatalos was honest about his reads being shitty feels | ||
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On July 23 2014 14:10 HaruRH wrote: VA is just wagoning. incorrect, actually. he called you out as scummy before I did. he didn't give reasons but he's vayne so giving reasons is a scumtell. | ||
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On July 23 2014 18:20 Vivax wrote: Obi isn't scum he was fourth to post. Next one. haven't caught up yet but i saw this. worst read ever wtf vivax | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote: Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin Don't lynch: Everyone else. It's really concerning that you are thinking this. | ||
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1. HaruRH 2. Koshi 3. teemursu 4. Chopin Liszt 5. VayneAuthority 6. raynpelikoneet 7. ObiWanShinobi 8. Navillus 9. GlowingBear 10. kushm4sta 11. Chairman Ray 12. Vivax 13. Xatalos 14. batsnacks 15. Damdred 16. Palmar | ||
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koshi, your reason for townreading him is terribad btw. | ||
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On July 24 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i agree with that too. Cava has however a "history" of getting dumblynched on D1 as town so i don't see this something that's really scummy, it's just weird. no he doesn't. what game(s) are you referring to? | ||
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im not going to say exactly why i think you're mafia yet. | ||
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So according to you I am mafia because I am reading you wrong, and there's no way I could read you wrong as town? | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote: Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. Seems like there is plenty of focus on topics he should focus on before and after the post in question. The post in question looks null to me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have three: kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi. Read my filter plx. what happened to haru tho | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Normally I would be mad about this statement, but you jackasses try to lynch me day 1 every single game I'm in. So I don't really put any stock into the people that think that they found scum!me because they target me every single game anyway. You don't get to claim you're right when you're nothing more than a broken clock. this didn't happen in noir | ||
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you gave one read about haru being scum because he thought it was a good idea to plynch. that is not a townie indicative read. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's an asinine read. I even gave you my current scumreads and you're still harping on the stupid Haru bullshit. u gave current scumreads but not reasons behind those reads. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:57 Teemursu wrote: Oh, hey, now you guys want to lynch him? Too late, VA is still technically confirmed mafia. did i miss something? | ||
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i would say his snr ration is pretty high actually. is chopin or liszt hf? | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote: rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before? I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me. He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions. Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness? what indicates that he's not afraid of attention? attention has been put on him but I don't think he meant to ask for it. he is doing a too scummy to be scum thing. something I haven't seen him do as town, but I have seen him do it as scum in palmar's shitty game. So if that's what you mean by not afraid of attention, then you're wrong. He has not posted a lot on his own initiative. Rather most of his posts are WHY AM I SCUMMY! FUCK YOU GUYS FOR THINKING IM SCUMMY, etc | ||
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rayn what does bat say that's crazy? everything seemed pretty on the level to me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:59 Xatalos wrote: kush, what makes you so confident in your scumread on ObiWan? I just can't think of anything that would make him particularly scummy. eh actually im not so sure | ||
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this post is townie actually i think. the way he describes how lynchbait status might have affected his reads. Scum don't usually have nuanced reads like this. On July 24 2014 03:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rayn, you implied there was a second post that I missed, so I went out and poured over your filter looking for it. That large post was the one I was reading in the first place, so I was looking for another post that didn't exist. -.-; Also, no, I don't see anything wrong with that Damdred post. The things you're saying make sense in the grand scheme of things...I guess? I just don't see scum!Damdred trying to make a giant post like that early on without much prompting, flaws or no. I just thought the context was more important than the content. Though I will be honest and say that his status of lynchbait from last game might have colored my read here. @Vivax: Hi. What don't you like about Koshi's read? Your read on his read is generic too, so I don't know how I should be able to parse through both of you giving me generic shit and be able to differentiate between the two of you. Though I'm gonna kind of dodge the question and say that Koshi is probably town for thinking about murdering me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote: kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually  it was actually your question of what made it so obvious that made me look through his filter which changed my mind <3 | ||
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On July 24 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote: What was your earlier (unrevealed) reasoning for him being scum? well mostly I couldn't townread him immediately, which I was able to do in the last two towngames I played with him. I didn't see any townie content in his early posts. I thought his overreaction was scummy. But I looked at his last towngame and he also overreacted when someone called him scum. Whereas he doesn't overreact when he's actually scum. | ||
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On July 24 2014 08:55 Xatalos wrote: I don't think that's really something you needed to hide earlier  Whatever.So your scumreads are Chopin+Vivax? Why Chopin? And don't you think Vivax has contributed quite a bit lately? xatalos i didn't exactly mean to hide it. it's more like I didn't feel like actually looking through his filter and compiling the reasons. not sure in either of those other reads. chopin one came from chopin attacking batsnacks. vivax one came from vivax wanting to lynch people I think are town. Also some very rough PoE. yes those reads are shit lol. That's why I made a shitty list instead of actually writing about them. Kind of like you did. | ||
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On July 24 2014 09:07 Chairman Ray wrote: Which games are you referring to? I'm gonna take a look too. scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/460092-world-cup-mini-mafia?user=Cavalinho scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=ObiWanShinobi town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=ObiWanShinobi | ||
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he's not reading the thread so i doubt he will see this post, not that it would have swayed him anyway, | ||
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but no i dont think that's a reason to scumread you. In the towngame you also got really pissed when someone scumread you, so that proves that it's not a uniquely mafia trait. I like to use metas to tell me what I shouldn't be scumreading people for, not what I should be townread or scumreading them for. I think it's safest that way. Also I don't consider you telling cora to fuck himself in the mouth postgame as you really getting pissed in the same way you got pissed this game. Plus it was postgame. | ||
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xatalos claim immediately. | ||
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##vote xatalos if you dont claim now you get lynched. | ||
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If you claim I will consider your claim and I will probably try to get someone else lynched. | ||
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if you don't claim in your next post, im closing the window and washing my hands of this mess until night. | ||
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say which you are with no equivocation. u have 1 more post to do it. | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:29 Navillus wrote: Obi looks terrible to me. My original post stands that he wasn't contributing and just sheeped a vote without much new justification. Since then he has posted fluff, defended himself if attacks on him came up, chatted a bit with rayne, and asked vivax one question. His one read seems to be "kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi." So "defending himself/bandwagon/one of the two people on opposite sides of the biggest argument at the time" Nothing particularly original or scumhunty coming out of that. For all that I think Obi would be an excellent lynch right now. But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example: Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum: Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read: There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos this case on xatalos loooks liek a scum case to me. he's just describing what xaatalos is doing, without any deeper thought into why it would make him scum. | ||
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chopin, i townread him for a very specific reason, his townread on damdred. you can't scumread someone just on "exuberance". that is a very unsafe use of meta. a safe use of meta is seeing that he got angry in his town games when people called him scum, therefore him doing that isn't especially scummy. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rayn, you implied there was a second post that I missed, so I went out and poured over your filter looking for it. That large post was the one I was reading in the first place, so I was looking for another post that didn't exist. -.-; Also, no, I don't see anything wrong with that Damdred post. The things you're saying make sense in the grand scheme of things...I guess? I just don't see scum!Damdred trying to make a giant post like that early on without much prompting, flaws or no. I just thought the context was more important than the content. Though I will be honest and say that his status of lynchbait from last game might have colored my read here. @Vivax: Hi. What don't you like about Koshi's read? Your read on his read is generic too, so I don't know how I should be able to parse through both of you giving me generic shit and be able to differentiate between the two of you. Though I'm gonna kind of dodge the question and say that Koshi is probably town for thinking about murdering me. i think the boldified is very townie. | ||
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or do you think it's much more likely for vivax to be scum? | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:33 Teemursu wrote: Why Navi though? It's not like his posting was terrible after Palmar's case on him. I'd rather lynch Obi or Damdred if not Viv. damdred has a history of low activity. damdred's cases have more reasoning in them. navillus cases are mostly summary. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fuck this extra 25 pages bullshit, I just woke up and I've got about 25 minutes to pick a lynch. Someone give me the cliffnotes. vote navillus please | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:39 Teemursu wrote: How the fuck can that be Robik why not | ||
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On July 22 2014 03:14 Koshi wrote: /in I fucking promise I won't go over a 2 page filter each cycle. why you break your promise? | ||
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On July 25 2014 10:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Kush I still have no idea why you asked me to vote Navi. nice, euros are going to bed. last minute person who i could find that looked the scummiest to me. I didn't like any of the wagons. | ||
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vivax are there any cases you think are good that I can read? arguments not spread out over 20 back and forth posts between 2 people? | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:18 Vivax wrote: I don't know why you value my opinion so much if you don't think Koshi is scum, so I'd rather revert the question and ask you if you think I should look elsewhere and why. just because I disagree about a read, that doesn't mean I don't value your opinion. Why are you 100% focused on koshi when: 1 there's more than 1 scum 2 koshi is acting really emotional which is usually town (possibly angry as scum because he thinks hosts confirmed rayn town?) 3 koshi has been an asshole, which usually comes from town. if you are town you have a reason for calling someone fucking retarded etc, because you think they are wrong. when you are scum doing it, you're doing it for no reason which makes the assholishness less justified. Rayn calls it asshole theory or something,. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:25 Koshi wrote: He is really upset with me. And I dont know why. so that makes him confirmed town, how? | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: vivax don't townread chairmanray/rayn too easily | ||
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On July 28 2014 19:44 Palmar wrote: marv I hate you for making me dead. How about randomizing the kill for a neutral kill? I was so sure I didn't have to use my power on n1, because I wasn't doing jack shit. why did you soft claim for no reason d1?? You kept telling people not to vig you. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:11 Palmar wrote: No retarded vigis though, you can lynch me tomorrow if you want, just don't vigi cause I'll be mad postgame if you do. Like seriously mad. On July 25 2014 04:05 Palmar wrote: please, please don't waste a check on me tonight btw. Like just don't do it, I'll rather shut up and allow myself to be lynched than know some idiot cop wasted a perfectly good night checked me. how do you not read this as blue | ||
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