if you don't read your role pm you become unreadable. People need to read their role pm for the game to work. Imagine if no one read their role pm. The winning alignment would be decided randomly or by game mechanics. Talking to people in the thread would serve no purpose, and it would turn into a giant circle jerk.
dont say deal with it by plynch, cause then the cheater just won't tell anyone they didn't read the role pm.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 21 2014 19:20 GMT

#104

please start this game as quick as possible

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 21 2014 19:34 GMT

#106

alleged bans.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 21 2014 22:06 GMT

#113

On July 22 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, I actually have nothing against people not reading their role PMs, it's just one of many tactics people use to mess with everyone else. However I will always instantly policy lynch anyone claiming to not have read their role PM, and if I don't know they didn't read their role PM, I don't care if they can be scummy or not, they're just as lynchable.

it is 100% cheating. it is the worst form of cheating.
plynch is not a solution, because then they just won't tell anyone.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 22 2014 02:34 GMT

#121

On July 22 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote:
Are we really resorting to such measures just to make sure people read their roles?

we don't have to, but there should be a rule against it. and if it is suspected that someone did not read their role, we should check scum qt to make sure they conversed with the scum team. And if they did not, they will receive a 5 game ban.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 22 2014 03:27 GMT

#124

On July 22 2014 11:44 batsnacks wrote:

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Really? I mean I can't comprehend why this is an issue at all. I know you think it worked for you last game but, seriously, this doesn't work.

no, not really I was kidding. Although I do think there should be measured placed against it IF people are doing it. A gentlemanly agreement also might be fine.

Have you thought through the implications of not knowing your role or not knowing your scumteam?
It makes you unreadable.
If you are town, there's no downside there, because it is like playing normal.
If you are scum, there is the upside of being unreadable and looking like town, with the ability to provide genuine scum reads.
There is also the downside of unintentionally busing your team. If your reads are usually pretty bad then this downside won't even affect you.

OK so for a good player there is the downside I mentioned. But what if two people on the scum team didn't look at their role pm? Hypothetically you would have two people on the scumteam acting like perfect townies, both town reading each other.

What if no one read their role pm? You could have zero second days, because the outcome of the game would be randomly decided. If lynches are randomly chosen every day then scum wins most games.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 22 2014 05:21 GMT

#130

On July 22 2014 13:20 batsnacks wrote:
Not reading your role is disadvantageous compared to reading your role no matter what alignments or circumstances. By not reading your role you are giving up every tool you have to win.

I could see how it could maybe make sense in a small setup with zero power roles on day 1 only but... even then people will probably just lynch you for it (I would). As soon as power roles enter into the picture by not reading your role you are risking throwing out all the tools your team may have for winning in exchange for... being unreadable? That doesn't make sense.

ok..
1 no one would lynch you for it, because you don't tell anyone you are doing it.
2 the optimal way to do it is not look at your role pm d1, then near the end of n1 look at your role pm to see if you have a pr. if you are scum do not look at who is on your scumteam.

I know you come from epicmafia where mechanics play a big role because games are so short. But I think games with longer days tend to be more about reads of players' behaviors and logic, which you can't do to someone who doesn't know their role/doesn't know their scumteam.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 22 2014 06:59 GMT

#135

how do you catch mafia, batsnacks? wait for dt checks?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 22 2014 08:33 GMT

#137

It's playing against win con as mafia because you're supposed to be a team and the game is supposed to be balanced on nerves of knowing who your team is and thus town finds those connections.

that's for mafia wincon not against. and neutral to your wincon if you roll town. That's why there has to be a special rule against it, or else the play to your wincon rule actually dictates that you should do it.