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On July 24 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me? Why are you curious about Koshi? It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened? Reads on other players would be nice as well.
I already said this before, but there's an associative tell between you and Koshi which I can't ignore. Doesn't do much good before you flip.
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On July 24 2014 08:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:On July 24 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote:kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually  it was actually your question of what made it so obvious that made me look through his filter which changed my mind <3 What was your earlier (unrevealed) reasoning for him being scum? well mostly I couldn't townread him immediately, which I was able to do in the last two towngames I played with him. I didn't see any townie content in his early posts. I thought his overreaction was scummy. But I looked at his last towngame and he also overreacted when someone called him scum. Whereas he doesn't overreact when he's actually scum.
Which games are you referring to? I'm gonna take a look too.
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On July 24 2014 09:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 09:00 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 24 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me? Why are you curious about Koshi? It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened? Reads on other players would be nice as well. I already said this before, but there's an associative tell between you and Koshi which I can't ignore. Doesn't do much good before you flip. What's with this game and all this connection speculation >.> So if I'm scum, Koshi is scum... But Koshi isn't individually scummy? Do you have other reads?
That's not exactly my read on you and Koshi, and furthermore it's pointless to discuss now.
Why are you interested in my other reads?
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I gave a really quick read, so I might have missed some things.
OWS is fairly different in this game than his previous games. In this game, OWS is completely dismissive. In the previous town game, he gets into a heated discussion with Robik, but is a lot more level headed and keeps the discussion going:
On July 17 2014 07:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i dont really give a shit if hes mad or not. i can understand exactly why he could/should die today, but i want him to sit down and tell me why he keeps saying that i play badly, aside from the fact that he could be town and his entire reaction was made of awful things.
In his previous scum games, he gets slightly aggravated at times, but still doesn't show anything like this game.
One thing I noticed is his post game behavior:
On July 22 2014 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
honestly, fuck cora. fuck him right in the mouth.
On July 22 2014 02:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
the only thing that makes this okay is that, despite the fact that cora got really lucky by shooting me, town still lost.
He got really angry presumably because he got shot for poor reasons, which was super lucky from town's side.
In this game, Navillus was scumreading OWS for poor reasons, so if OWS gets lynched because of it, that would be unfair and just lucky on town's part. That's how I interpret it anyways.
What do you think?
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I don't understand why we lynched Navillus instead of Xatalos. Chopin, can you explain to me why you thought Xatalos was town all of a sudden?
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I'm here, but have no idea what to do til kills
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On July 25 2014 16:16 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 10:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
I don't understand why we lynched Navillus instead of Xatalos. Chopin, can you explain to me why you thought Xatalos was town all of a sudden? CR, did Chopin answer this?
Not yet
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On July 26 2014 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I wonder where CR disappeared. He still hasn't explained his read on me+Koshi. And now it's kind of futile since Koshi is semi-confirmed.
Do you still need me to explain it? It's no longer relevant to the game.
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On July 26 2014 06:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2014 06:16 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On July 26 2014 06:13 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:On July 25 2014 00:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also I'd like to point out rain pelican he is dead Boom headshot Was that you scumreading rayn or something? No. It was me shooting him. You do realize VA already claimed that shot? No I didn't realize that, good for him. ##vote: vayneauthorityHave another look at my crappy breadcrumb attempt Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 00:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also I'd like to point out rain pelican he is
Can you and Vayne confirm for us if there is a scum vig?
I will not describe any of the instrument roles, but I will reveal that the Pianist and Cellist for both sides have similar roles, with town/scum conditionals. The bassist and violinists are unique.
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The breadcrumbing is fairly convincing
##vote VayneAuthority
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If bat managed to predict the vig shot and breadcrumbed, he deserves to win. We're lynching VA today.
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On July 26 2014 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
What is a miller or a self-awared miller
miller is a town that shows scum in cop checks. This role is commonly not revealed to the player. A self-aware miller is when this is revealed to the player.
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On July 26 2014 08:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
I thought batsnacks town read me, i knew he was the real vig zz. why would I claim fake shot as mafia with only 2 mafia left?
I rescind the claim.
Why would you fake claim as town though?
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On July 26 2014 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:take a shot, pretty simple but effective strategy for me to not have to do anything this game. saw the opportunity and i took it
I don't believe you. When you fakeclaim, you give the real vig no choice but to counterclaim. Did you truly expect a different outcome?
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It does make sense. Consider the outcome as the intention. The outcome is that the real vig is forced to come out, but the fake claimer gets away scott free because it makes no sense to do as mafia. This outcome is very good for mafia. In this game, there are so many roles that half the people here can be confirmed town just through a mass claim. The only way mafia can win with 2 left is by eliminating as many confirmed towns as possible. Seeing as how people here are actually arguing that a mafia would not fakeclaim, it actually means that it was a good mafia play.
This play makes 100% sense as mafia. 0% sense as town.
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On July 26 2014 08:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2014 08:22 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 26 2014 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2014 08:17 Xatalos wrote:
Why did you do it in the first place? take a shot, pretty simple but effective strategy for me to not have to do anything this game. saw the opportunity and i took it I don't believe you. When you fakeclaim, you give the real vig no choice but to counterclaim. Did you truly expect a different outcome? this shows you arent following the thread at all, batsnacks didnt read the thread he didnt even know I claimed. I did literally nothing to make him "CC" me
I know batsnacks didn't read. That doesn't matter because when you claimed, you had no idea whether or not batsnacks would claim in the future. It's a bad idea for batsnacks to claim right now anyways.
Batsnacks coming out on his own is completely irrelevant, because you wouldn't have know it when you claimed yourself.
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On July 26 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote:
Btw CR, where is that explanation from earlier?
I'll explain in the postgame or at least at night. I don't have a lot of time right now, and we need to lynch Vayne.
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On July 26 2014 08:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2014 08:32 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 26 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote:
Btw CR, where is that explanation from earlier? I'll explain in the postgame or at least at night. I don't have a lot of time right now, and we need to lynch Vayne. Your current reads then?
I said it in the exact post you quoted. Vayne is mafia.
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On July 26 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
That's not very exhaustive though. What about me? ObiWan? Damdred? Those are pretty much all the non-confirmed players left, haha...
You or Chopin is probably the last mafia.
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On July 26 2014 08:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2014 08:45 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 26 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
That's not very exhaustive though. What about me? ObiWan? Damdred? Those are pretty much all the non-confirmed players left, haha... You or Chopin is probably the last mafia. ....You just chose the two most unlikely options but fine. At least I can see VA being scum. Why Chopin though btw?
Chopin could be mafia because of the way he pushed the vote off you the first day and the way he's trying to push the vote off Vayne today.
Chopin put a lot of effort drawing the lynch off of you, but not very much putting the lynch onto OWS. So instead, Nav got lynched. You were a good lynch, OWS was a maybe good lynch, Nav was not a good lynch. Their reasoning for why you were town was poor as well. I don't know why they thought you were town just because you did the weird ass claim thing. The bottom line is that you got out of the lynch without having to do any scumhunting or pro-town things. Their reasoning for Vayne being town is also poor. The bottom line here is that Vayne attempted to bait out the vig, and now he might get away scot-free. I do not see a reason why scum would not make these kinds of plays when town falls for them so hard, and Chopin is orchestrating it so well.
If you are town and Chopin is mafia, Chopin let Nav get lynched because Nav was a bad lynch and would probably not have been lynched the next day. You and OWS could easily be the next lynches. Take the hard lynches when you can and save the easy ones for later. As for today, if a mafia gets lynched, town wins. If Chopin and Vayne are mafia, Chopin needs to go all-in to make sure Vayne doesn't get lynched, and he seems to be doing just that.
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