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/sheep ##VOTE: tehpoofter | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: How about a fail. Let me wisen you up on why BH is not that great of a player. BH claimed vanilla town in a game I recently played with him. I questioned it, and he got me lynched because of Kenpachi Rule Let me explain something here, that rule is the stupidest rule EVER! I was fucking town. And im not going to have you mess up town's win this game just because you think it works. Id rather vote you pff than deal with that bs again. mad its your job to convince people not to lynch you anyway as long as you do your job should be np | ||
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i shall ignore all meta arguments from now on | ||
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let us rng lynch | ||
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the lady doth protest too much, me thinks | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:33 Tehpoofter wrote: Your answer will be found on page 1 of this thread. u wot plz point out and explain to me as if i am a small child with limited mental faculties + Show Spoiler + i mean, i am a child with limited mental faculties but just pretend they're even MORE limited than they actually are | ||
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yes my bad i meant eden cause ya understand the way i see it the only way you'd know his vt claim is helping the mafia power role hunt is if... you think his claim is legit and had a reason to believe he was town like two minutes into the game | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Do you think mafia or town would more likely try and use kenpachi rule? Because from my experience, and the only time I've ever seen it used, it was a town who used it. Now I'm not giving Eden a pass for it, but it could be likely he is town. But it's also possible he could be mafia trying to trap a town under a mislynch. So we have 2 scenerios there. What do you think? but... he wasnt using the kenpachi rule two minutes into the game... he only used it once someone ACTIVATED HIS TRAP CARD so i dont see the point of your question at all of course eden could be mafia or town but that doesnt address the point which is that poof was awfully accepting of the claim so early | ||
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you seem to be interpreting the rule as some sort of baseless accusation when in fact it's actually a read or heuristic for specific reasons | ||
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you still haven't understood the rationale behind kenpachi rule after that game. [url="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=5#84"]here[/url] is the full explanation behind it. it's a heuristic. it makes sense. do i think it works 100% of the time? no. do i think it worked here? yes. - Frauds R Us: Sinani and OK | ||
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FIXED LINK | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:01 IAmRobik wrote: OK and Eden have to stop harping on this "whatever" rule bullshit. It's really not progressing the thread anywhere and it's annoying to read over and over again i disagree that it's not progressing the thread but it might be annoying to read over and over again would you like to progress the thread then or would you just like to complain about it | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:07 OnceKing wrote: so do you have an actual reason for not playing the game robik i must have missed it | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:29 IAmRobik wrote: read the thread. not gonna answer this again cause i'm a lil whiney bitch i believe i said ACTUAL reason "i didnt read the thread and i dont care" isnt an actual reason - FRU | ||
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it's not as if a mafia robik would tell you anyway and i don't see how any of that helps you know anything about his alignment here | ||
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would you like to explain to me very slowly what you're thinking then? | ||
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i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is. the thing is, i don't see how ANY response could have been indicative of any alignment bunnies. because if he's town then he's telling the truth and if he's mafia he can just make anything up and it remains consistent, so the question still doesn't lead to anything meaningful. for example, what opening post would make him mafia? what about town? and why would you ask him such a question for which the response says basically nothing about his alignment? | ||
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also i keep forgetting to sign my posts fuk - FRU | ||
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I'm more comfortable with bunnies now and Eden has consistently been on the same page as me Therefore my new favorite target is whatever robik's team is called ##Unvote ##Vote: iamrobik - fru | ||
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Robik is refusing to play the game Therefore lynch Not gonna lie this is like half policy almost but he ain't tryna help either | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote: I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon | ||
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- FRU | ||
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Guess he got more of a life than me Me too soon tho lol | ||
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On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote: Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? | ||
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buuuuuuuuuuut i still don't get it LOL :D explain to me agree with bunnies, stratiform response to my question was a copout | ||
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i still don't like robik but now for different reasons, most of his posts are talking about he and his teammate are innocent while hardly ever mentioning his scumread/fos/whatever on bunnies - FRU | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:59 Palmar wrote: ExO_ being thickheaded and annoying probably means he and robik are town. I think OnceKing and Eden are both town (I know they're from separate teams). Aside from nb's comment on liking glowingbear's post (which wasn't townie at all) I had at least a tiny townread on both of them, mostly from the fact that poofter was actually posting literally anything day 1. why? | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense. why rayn and not me? i'm willing to believe you made an honest mistake. but you're also wrong about eden lul | ||
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And yes sqrt i did call you on it | ||
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reaaaaaaaaally | ||
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i can't remember joking around much at all that game | ||
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and no but i dont think i joked around that much in my newbie as town either sooooooooooooo poor meta reads ftw? | ||
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ya ok >"And I noticed that they both asked about robik." so what | ||
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i'm willing to come off of robik now but now i need to hear from sqrt something useful - FRU | ||
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also both of us asking about robik means... what exactly? that we want to know about robik? god forbid | ||
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On July 12 2014 04:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote: That maybe you're mafia, and you wanna kill him. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor i thought he was mafia and wanted to kill him WOW WHAT A MINDBLOWING ALTERNATIVE i sure had to think hard to come up with that one | ||
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because all you've contributed is grapes, a meta read on eden which you then proceeded to contradict and withdraw, dismissed ExO's reads as being "fabricated" (how? why? i don't know, you never said, just used the buzzword) and made up shit about me then posted it like it's true and slam has contributed more grapes and... i don't know. ##Vote: Team Cabernet Sauvignon | ||
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I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. hahahahaha | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually. OK, that's not a bad idea at all. His posts are mainly nothing but contradictories and baseless reads. ##Unvote ##Vote Team Cabernet Sauvignon (Though my vote should stay on Robik for that horrid joke) You know bunnies I can't help but notice that your vote isn't actually on them... | ||
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you're not voting him and you're townreading the slot. or tentatively townreading it with a "maybe". you haven't explained how the reads are manufactured at all, only just made up things and posted them like they're true. if someone is manufacturing reads, shouldn't they be scum? certainly there's no reason for townies to just bs reads unless they've got a plan in mind. so shouldn't you want to lynch them if you believe that, in fact, they ARE just making shit up? but see how sqrt has said that he believes some reads are fabricated and yet says that it's a good post. i don't buy his explanation that it's a good post "because it gives him information". sounds like a retroactive cover up to me. but even if it did give him information what has he shared with anyone? what actions has he taken based on this information? none and nothing. the truth is that sqrt is the one who is making stuff up and needs to be lynched today. | ||
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what about now? last time i asked you said you had no suspects. i felt like there was enough content there already to make SOME judgements but that's water under the bridge now. but it's much later now. certainly there's a lot of room for suspicions here. who do you think is mafia? | ||
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You said that you're voting for Cabernet Sauvignon. You are not right now because you didn't do it in the voting thread. | ||
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On July 12 2014 07:54 Alakaslam wrote: So why do you push this so hard, yet won't tell me what is up? ![]() I OMGUS freely http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=43#858 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=44#880 and robik said something too but i don't know his reasons | ||
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- FRU | ||
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there is a "kenpachi rule" which is explained here however that's not relevant to current discussion chupazi is just slamspeak | ||
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you have now withheld judgment on eden and myself because we are on different teams. why? your vote is currently on robik's team. why? who do you think is mafia? why? | ||
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i don't | ||
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the case i wrote about them slam dismissed as bull and sqrt wifoming himself which i just don't see then slam has pointedly refused to answer the questions i ask him, honestly their thread contribution is basically zilch | ||
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have you read the thread? look how i'm pushing for stuff to get done and trying to solve the game you've made a list and done nothing with it. moreover you've contradicted yourself multiple times. the most obvious and immediate example is how you're voting for the person you would said "not to consider top town" instead of who you say everyone should keep an eye on. you say that ExO's reads seem fabricated and your vote is on his slot and yet you have him as maybe town. actually "maybe town" is a stretch, after reading all of your posts i still don't know what you think of him because neither you nor slam will give me any straight answers. i asked you what ExO fabricating reads might indicate to you about his alignment and your response was "what do you think?", the epitome of uselessness. | ||
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On July 12 2014 12:40 Tehpoofter wrote: I already asked bunnies what was up so I know I was honestly curious how others were oign to spin it ![]() guess my tactics didn't work ![]() | ||
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gotta say i'm not really seeing it. explain it to me like i am a very small child with extremely limited mental capacities. also explain to me why this is a better case than the slamroot case. because i can't construct any narrative in my mind where their actions make sense as town. like i've NEVER known town to just roll over and die like that with over 24h remaining in the day. and when i MLed sqrt in the newbie game we played together he never gave up until the very end either. | ||
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honestly i don't see how they've given palmar a free town pass as you say actually i thought palmar's case on them was interesting but then i didn't say anything about it cause i took a nap and when i got back they had responded and palmar had been like OH GOOD RESPONSE lol i DO see a worrying amount of discussion of points versus discussion of suspects though i guess i need to read some other filters and stuff i also need other ppl to check in and weigh in on current discussion | ||
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i liked CR's posts on page like... 43 as well. can't remember anything koshers has said though. and yes we can talk at night | ||
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i see the town pass now actually that's pretty good now that i see it, it's kind of weird because it looks like they just said palmar was town indirectly On July 11 2014 21:47 HaruRH wrote: I don't want to omgus so early :/ So you're mistaken accidentally. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear and that's actually bothersome hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the trouble i'm having here is that i can totally understand haru's responses to the kenpachi rule stuff from a town perspective -- you do kinda have to engage at least partially in whatever the current discussion is regardless if your alignment i feel | ||
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On July 12 2014 14:46 Eden1892 wrote: why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then THE LOUISIANA VOLTRON MASON CONTINUES | ||
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slam: want to answer the questions i asked you earlier now? | ||
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First idk about slam but I know in the newbie with robik myself and sqrt when we mislynched sqrt he fought to the very end from the lynch I've just never seen town roll over and die like this second me Eden scum team is crazy/idiotic lol | ||
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On July 13 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I'm back. I have one read I'm pretty darn sure on. Robik + ExO's mafia. Wow, it's so obvious now. Here's what you need to do. Assume that they're mafia. Now look at their posts. They make complete sense if they're mafia. They fit perfectly together if they're mafia. Done. see look it's posts like this that make me so convinced they just say things like they're true and don't back them up or explain how or why. and sometimes what they say is completely false. this isn't the only instance. + Show Spoiler [wall of quotes lol] + On July 12 2014 01:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post. Some of these town reads are kind of fishy. Ex: Not my cup of tea. Or this one I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. [grapes] On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him. Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? [grapes] On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer [grapes] On July 12 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Why does sinani call out palmar in particular? Why hasn't he done anything yet? OK is better, but not by much. He also asks others of what they think of robik too. I'm not sure what to make of this team. I wouldn't mind lynching them. *insert grape picture here* On July 12 2014 04:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I don't. But I wouldn't mind lynching them, because at that time, sinani had done practically nothing, and OK wasn't doing much either. Sinani's question struck me as strange. And I noticed that they both asked about robik. On July 12 2014 07:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote: It's the best because it gave me the most information. It gave me the most information because some of the reads seem fabricated. On July 12 2014 10:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, 30 minutes till we die. I'm not sure, but I wouldn't have Robik+ExO as a top town team. Keep an eye on OK and Eden. On July 13 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I'm back. I have one read I'm pretty darn sure on. Robik + ExO's mafia. Wow, it's so obvious now. Here's what you need to do. Assume that they're mafia. Now look at their posts. They make complete sense if they're mafia. They fit perfectly together if they're mafia. Done. On July 12 2014 08:27 Alakaslam wrote: HIJOLE I said don't post if you aren't sure; that is what happened Was unsure but wanted to point out train of thought Ppl you must understand eventually we who WIFOM ourselves learn the bamcis way of Rayn. We read based off current events and post a lot when we are here. Fortunately work was moved to tomorrow so IAM here On July 12 2014 08:42 Alakaslam wrote: You should think about this statement And tell me why we are now confirmed town or else you can lynch lurkers before us and get a guaranteed win. Otherwise I will point it out & u look phoolish On July 12 2014 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: Both links are the same bull It is sqrt wifoming himself aloud like i do in my head, I do the same thing in my first newbie and second and third Then hurricane sponge and I learned the way of HIJOLE, followed by Chezinu and CHUPAZI On July 12 2014 10:22 Alakaslam wrote: This is what is told to every mislynch by his tunnel- go read my link and learn how to cuss! On July 12 2014 15:10 Alakaslam wrote: Hell fucking no I have nothing but acid and jackassery for this town. Look at my re-entrance to this thread in the 40's and if your answers to how I was treated and my corresponding attitude aren't there well you don't want to determine alignments you just want to witch hunt- what we call "scum hunting" here but really isn't, because actually determining alignment is far more important than trying to decide on some lynch. On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored like seriously you can't just insist that links are "bullshit" and "witchhunting" without explaining how, you can't just say "oh it takes half a brain to realize he's scum" without explaining why and sqrt contradicting himself multiple times is handwaved with "sqrt is wifoming himself". it's just a bunch of buzzwords and you never get an explanation for anything specific, even though i asked multiple times. also note this which i just pulled out of sqrt's filter while scrolling down: how the fuck do you think ExO is fabricating reads, and then call the slot town. PLEASE TELL ME. as also noted by eden's post counting upthread they had somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred posts this game and yet haven't said anything helpful. | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Glowingbear's team town. M&M town. Robik/exo scum. The other scum is probably either palmar's team or eden's team. j u s t i f y y o u r r e s p o n s e | ||
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you should also explain why harubear is town to me, who is town you should ALSO explain why robik and exo are scum to me, who is town | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:00 OnceKing wrote: if eden is mafia then you should explain to me, who is town by your own admission, why you should also explain why harubear is town to me, who is town you should ALSO explain why robik and exo are scum to me, who is town | ||
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do you think i'm town? | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:28 HaruRH wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team TheD haru pls explain | ||
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i'm not discounting other wagons but you'll need to do a lot of work to show me why you think chairman koshi is a better lynch than slamroot. I got some pretty heavy townie vibes from CR before. | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:15 27ninjabunnies wrote: I do. I've seen Slam get mad as town when he was about to get mislynched. And it seems he is getting mad this game. I've also never seen slam give up. He has fought to the death as town, so I admit, that slows me down a bit on my townread. But I also see no one really defending them. Some have said "eh well, maybe they are town" and seem wishy washy. Idk, to me it seems if they were mafia, why would their mafia scummate want them lynched day 1? Unless they really think they can win this game by themselves. I just don't see it. What about CRs post seemed townie to you? tbh i think its impossible for anyone to defend slamroot at this point. if you look at the way they're posting there's no way it can come from a town pov. I don't think him getting mad is indicative of anything -- if I'm about to get lynched I'll be mad about it regardless of my alignment. imo it's not a matter of wanting them to get lynched, it's the fact that they can't stop it. i could be wrong but i highly doubt it. I got a town read off of CR's entrance into the game. the first thing he did upon getting into the game was to antagonize someone. ... I dunno it's hard for me to explain. I guess I'll have to take a closer look, it's just that for the brief period of time I followed Order immediately upon reading CR's posts I was just like well im not reading this shit he's typing enormous blocks of text. And I haven't gotten the same feeling from him this game. | ||
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and except for the part where eden followed me off of bunnies and onto you but anyway that's not the point eden is certainly town and i'm sure he'll say the same about me. we know each other in person, and the only times we're on the same wavelength like this is when we're both town. look and see how many times we've xposted each other with similar/same thoughts. | ||
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can you point out any meaningful content that either of them has said the closest they come to it is spouting unjustified reads like "eden is mafia, exo is mafia" and they won't answer questions as to why. and yet even though they believe in an edenkarma/iamexo scumteam they don't think i'm town? there are too many inconsistencies. in fact they have so many posts and yet have practically said nothing and just invite people into meaningless exchanges. the only reason why people are scared to lynch them right now is because "ohhh well its slam so i dont think its that scummy" or "b-b-but people aren't defending them" -- stop that. if you're mafia with these guys the way they're acting do you actually think you can defend them? and slam has been acting scummy even compared to his usual standard as noted by robik earlier with meta references. there's just no way they can be town with the whole "i give up, nobody listens to my scumreads even though i haven't justified them, this is a mislynch" stuff. | ||
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On July 13 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: Except that game where he was town and you were mafia with me and he kept calling you town we weren't on the same wavelength/didn't have corresponding thoughts that game. look how much we disagreed or had different positions that game and the timings compared to this game. | ||
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bunnies did you do as koshi asked and examine the games in which he's town and replaced in? | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote: Look at the post above this question you asked. Eden quoted it. It's mostly to do with the fact there's not really much a defense. Plus, slam as mafia wouldn't just give up imo. Sqrt, eh. I read him wrong often, and have pushed mislynches on him cause he never evaluates on his reads unless asked specifically. i have asked sqrt and slam BOTH to justify their reads and they've both flat out refused. in what way do you think scum partners of slamroot could possibly defend them? | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it? honestly? i have no idea i'd just do normal looking at vote counts and stuff. | ||
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Slam Says Eden and I are scum phone posting again cuz my computer turned itself off | ||
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Here is why Eden and I make zero sense as scum partners Why would we as mafia put all of our eggs into one basket especially so early on day 1 It's almost add if people believe that we went in scum chat and was like Hey Eden... Scumbuddy... Let's say the exact same things in the thread... Yeah the exact same thing... They'll never see it coming And yet we're agreeing so closely on everything that there's no way only one of us is scum So he's town and I am too If you trust Eden you should trust me and vice versa | ||
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right now i have a few town reads i'm pretty confident in, slamroot i'm pretty sure is scum and only a few more holes to fill | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:27 IAmRobik wrote: [/i][/i]Timeline of events: 6:30 Eden write this case on sqrt-1: 6:38 Eden confirms his vote on sqrt Meanwhile, Robik is making a post, where point 4 calls sqrt-1 scum. 6:39, Robik sees Eden's post and makes the remark that we just crossposted. 6:48 OK makes a post SUMMARIZING WHAT EDEN SAID. If that's not backpacking, I don't know what is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=42#832 i am pretty sure this post precedes any of those others | ||
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This being said you're tunnel is unreal | ||
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Palmar and robik might be onto something... | ||
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I feel like you've overreacted to palmar a bit and out of the million questions you say you could ask you pick three that he's already answered Interesting... | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't remember him really answeing these. If he has, I've completely missed them. Also, seriously. Whoever is reading me as scum, you're wrong. And that wasn't overreacting. If anything he was overreacting and reading completely wrong the things I've post. Go back and read his post and tell me 1. What he thinks of the lynch 2. Who he thinks is scum 3. Whatever your other question is I'm quite sure he's answered them all and even recently in fact | ||
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Out for a while cya later | ||
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i really wish sqrt would have explained his vote on IAmExO before instead of just saying "they're scum" bunnies bothers me because i feel that her case on Chairman Koshi is weak, and the arguments for why Slamroot were town weren't good either (though obviously there must have been some merit to them because it was a ML). honestly the reason why i find her more suspicious now is because out of everyone somehow she's the only one who seemed to know it was an incoming ML. put more clearly, in the wise words of wherebugsgo: You're not scum because you're right. You're scum because you were right when no one else was. i think this used to be someone's sig lol and indeed you can see this is the case: 7 people, an overwhelming majority voted on Slamroot. harubear - feeling town. i know slenderman had a thing on this team and honestly the contradiction stuff does bother me. but i can see the posts from a town perspective... or at least your filters make sense to me. so that leaves us the main wagon. currently it's hard for me to say how many people honestly sheeped the case on Slamroot versus scum bandwagoning a ML. marvderg i would like to hear more from. i'd like to hear from palmar why he figured that it would be a ML. | ||
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maybe why you say so? | ||
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i have no idea who wrestlemania is u think it matters that robik swap his vote at last second when the vote change didnt make difference in lynch? | ||
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paging bunnies tell me, for this mislynch 1. who pushed hardest (and how hard was that) 2. who defended hardest (and how hard was that) 3. who just sheeped 4. what does this tell you | ||
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but i'm sure you already knew that because we are LOUISIANA VOLTRON MASONs. | ||
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why "if you dont back off me i must lynch you even though i think you are town" | ||
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do not lunch: me, eden, chairman kosher, palmiform, harubear harubear has moved up into my town circle cuz everything they say feels really genuine to me. the same kind of thing has me waffling on bunnies (i hate that there's no good portmanteau of your names btw) | ||
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On July 13 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote: all caught up. kinda weird game. GK and sinani are being totally carried by their better halves. Palmar (as per above) and Stratiform look ok to me (stratiform's reads post kinda had everywhere about where i'd expect, didn't seem fabricate-y). Robik/Exo look ok I guess. rayn/slendy, koshi/cr, bunnies/poof. rayn/slendy look worse to me simply by virtue of the fact i'm going off haru/glowingbear, and if we take that out of their filter they've done next to nothing. koshi especially will have all day 2 to look town, if he's town he'll be able to do it, if he's mafia he probably won't. sit and see. bunnies is being dragged way down by poofter, who has little redeeming about his play. hate the lazy palmar/me comment that i pointed out. the points OK made about bunnies on the last page are pretty valid as well. marv can you explain to me why this makes sense? | ||
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i don't see why you should exclude raynman's case on harubear at all, especially when they originated the second one (the first one being originated by palmar i think) and jsut cause you're no longer on them doesn't invalidate their contribution so i'm not sure what's going on here sounds like a weird reason like i would totally understand "he's scumreading my townread, that's weird" but i dont understand "he's scumreading someone i no longer scumread, if i remove his scumread from what he's said then he looks bad" | ||
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but what it really comes down to is ~vibes~ i can just feel earnestness and trying to answer everything and be completely open pouring out of their posts so even though i may not agree with everything they write i still feel as if they're being completely open and honest about a thought process that seems really townie to me so i think theyre town | ||
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i'll have to read ExO, i had robik town for most of day 1 so i had ExO town by extension | ||
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but it was pretty early on so i don't put that much weight on it 1091 - don't really see this as fencesitting tbh | ||
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overall i could lunch them... i actually think what eden said earlier about robik greenlighting the slamroot lynch then whining about it holds a lot of water and i'm not very convinced by robik's "Back the fuck off" defense still some people said hes not a heavy d1 poster so on d2 i expect tidings | ||
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On July 14 2014 11:05 Eden1892 wrote: fuck it ##VOTE: TheD pls explain | ||
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ok no seriously pls explain | ||
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on slenderman i disagree though, i think hes done ok which is why im waffly on raynman | ||
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is what i was going to say but after checking his filter he's only got three pages and marv said he's typically a high volume poster in normal mini lvi's postgame. so maybe not let me check | ||
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town - frauds, eden+gk, harubear posting things/memorable - robik, bunnies, slenderman not posting things/unmemorable - exo, chairman koshi, rayn, poof teams that make me waffly - bunnies/poof, robik/exo, slender/rayn on my first readthrough i got a distinct impression of koshi being town from his one liners on catching up. because marv wrote in normal mini lvi's postgame that koshi's a high volume poster as town, when i first read the posts i automatically assumed that koshi was being higher volume. however it turns out that koshi is far from being high volume this game. his filter is only 3 pages and there's not that much in there -- he's called lots of people town and agreed with stuff but hasn't called anyone scum. CR's filter is less than one page long, and has only the stratiform case, and this statement: Bunnies is mafia. Her cases before the flip were a little too interesting. there's no explanation of how they're interesting. i don't even know what 'interesting' means in this context. ##Vote: Team GoodCopBadCop | ||
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you can ask me any questions or whatever and tell me why you find me so suspicious | ||
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so poof robik has or hasn't misread you? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=91#1805 | ||
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gk - who do you think would fear vets waking up and solving the game the most? | ||
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bunnies if you have a submarine why isn't it setting sail? (or whatever it is that submarines do) | ||
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eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani but eden and i are both absolutely town so what are your up to date conclusions on people? | ||
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basically, eden and i know each other irl and we play mafia together quite a bit. we have VERY extensive experience with each other, having talked about the game a lot. he was completely on the same wavelength as me for like, all of day 1. I know it sounds really dumb but he basically confirmed himself town to me when he pulled Kenpachi Rule on poofter and I confirmed myself town to him when I sheeped it upon checking in. if you dislike that explanation then think about it this way: 1. We've crossposted like a zillion times already in this game so we're clearly sharing the same thoughts. So it's overwhelmingly likely we're of the same alignment. 2. It doesn't make sense for two mafia members to be saying the exact same things. so by this we can only both be town. as for the overexplaining stuff, can you point out where? because I'm pretty sure he's just saying whatever he feels he needs to say to get his targets lynched. goodkarma's post: if i had to take a guess it would be that he takes a perspective where he would lynch someone he assumes to be a townie. but i don't see why this is super relevant since Eden town = goodkarma town = I don't really care | ||
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it's just a simple process of elimination for the consideration of people who don't have the privilege of "knowing" our alignment. if we can only be the same alignment then we must be mafia/mafia or town/own. since we definitely aren't mafia/mafia then we must be town/town. i wanna say who's posting first is pretty flexible. by crossposting i mean literally we'll ninja each other while the other is posting the exact same thing. it's actually kind of scary. i'll look through your filter for the overexplaining stuff. can you address robik's assertion that you and slenderman are extremely likely to have NKed marvderg and palmiform? | ||
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(or better yet push a scumread) | ||
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On July 15 2014 05:27 IAmRobik wrote: I have really really really selfish reasons for thinking Rayn is town. I cannot prove this assertion, but Rayn, do not read this, you'll think I'm cheating: + Show Spoiler + i'm willing to risk my life on it hahahaha uhhhh oh boy i gotta look this up this game might have gotten a lot easier | ||
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On July 15 2014 05:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to start from here, listen to what Koshi has to say then sheep if it makes sense, meanwhile prodding people and get some interactions going with people to get my own reads going. Can you tell me how the lynch on Slam/sqrt came into motion? cliffnotes on slamroot: 1. sqrt said eden was town from meta 2. then he said eden was mafia from meta 3. marv asked him if he were on drugs 4. i also looked at sqrt funny. didn't like his explanation. 5. i voted sqrt (WAGON STARTS HERE) 6. slam came in asked why they were being lynched. said the explanation was just bull. 7. i asked slamroot to justify their reads and they refused, then said they gave up with over 24 hours remaining in the day. 8. bunnies pulled off the slamroot lynch 9. slamroot flips town 10. i am upset why sheep koshi specifically? | ||
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In any case it's not as if I didn't make a case on him as well so idk where you're getting off Stand yes I found bunnies reasons for pulling off the wagon sketch and not very strong so I am more suspicious of her slot than I was day 1 | ||
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He was upset I was taking credit for doing stuff | ||
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Neither Eden nor myself is mafia | ||
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about rayn: how did you get that tl;dr... ya the palmar town thing i get (not that THAT helps, we already know that) but where did you get this from: Robik is stupid CR is town/learnt to play mafia Eden not scum (unless we are scum) actually good catch though that rayn said nothing about you guys in that whole post then suddenly called you guys mafia. however slendy had been talking about you guys for quite a while. about koshi: disagree wholly at that point i honestly could not have told you who i thought glowingbear believed to be mafia. and just because it's on one head of the hydra doesn't make it invalid. speaking of wihch i need to unvote them... ##unvote | ||
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On July 15 2014 06:48 OnceKing wrote: Bunnies when you get back explain why you are tinfoiling on Eden and me please On July 15 2014 09:07 OnceKing wrote: gb did you ever explain why rayn's posting is confirming your suspicions of slender? they actually make me feel better about him human beings in a mob man... these two questions need answering | ||
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nowhere does it say "robik is stupid" he also just says CR is town, never any caveat about "learned to play mafia" also just says Eden is probably fine, nothing about an unflipped association between you two so where did you get these conclusions from? | ||
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well, maybe the robik is stupid impression is current. rayn should answer this. | ||
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On July 16 2014 00:11 sinani206 wrote: Oh just checked qt and ok said that he didn't agree with me because they have been at each others throats the whole game. But honestly I could see that being the scum strategy in a game like this. It was what I initially noticed that led me to filter them at all. please explain specifically. i think it's tantamount to suicide for the two scummers to be trying to kill each other the whole time when eden and i confirmed each other town ten minutes into the game. | ||
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i definitely havent done jack shit this day. just keep flip flopping on stuff so i'll trust in eden who trusts in robik. ##Vote: TheD i'm around to answer any questions now | ||
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What's swung my opinion on Harubear: Haru's case on Koshi really made no sense at all. I'm not even sure if it was a case or a refutation. In any case it didn't really refute anything. Glowingbear I did feel was being a lot more genuine. Thanks to poof's defense I actually went to check his newbie game. You know his filter in that game is thirteen fuckin pages? His filter in this game is three. He's being much more clinical in this game like poofter said, and his only posts this game are to either defend himself or push a lynch compared to the other game where he's much more willing to engage topically in conversation, asking questions, etc. This game there's a decided lack of that, and almost every post he makes is a brick of text. This is exactly how my first games as scum have gone -- as scum in the past I've tried to be meticulous, contributing, confident... everything I ascribe to a "perfect townie". There's utterly no waffling or wobbling or looking like they're trying to figure things out in Harubear's filters, just complete assurance. And the filter length thing is REALLY getting me. | ||
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I know this game isn't that easy to be able to be acting that this way. I'm town, I'm waffling so much I've got eggos spilling out of my ass and even Eden who is one of the most self-assured people I know has flip flopped on his opinions a few times. Literally everyone looks unsure of everyone and everything, I was completely thrown off by slamroot flipping town -- I know this was like FOREVER ago but I was just SO GODDAMNED SURE they had to be scum. Then marvderg and palmiform went and died too -- as far as I'm understanding the only reason why people are saying that implicates rayn is because "older players will fear older players". If that's the case then why doesn't it say anything about Koshi. I find it far simpler and more likely that marvderg and palmiform were both looking at Harubear pretty funny so they died for it. Them being vets and therefore persuasive players probably helped too. I know people look at this kind of thing and go "oh its night kill analysis, its wifom" but I personally never see a scumteam waver to kill someone they know will be trying to completely murder them the next day. | ||
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but I read poof's defense and something inside me was just like holy shit he's town and then something else clicked when he said gb was being really professional and distant. anyway I've digressed My day 1 was super fuckin' towny no matter what people say about me supposedly just buddying or backpacking. I led the initiative just as much as anyone else on that day and I've just been confused this whole goddamn day. I dunno, I guess I'll accept the paranoia for now and just try to prove my innocence even harder. (doesn't hurt that Eden's my brotha and he got my back) | ||
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I don't really bother him in our QT to post a lot, I just occasionally ask him to read people and tell me what he thinks. Part of me figured that was fine cause I was talking a lot. | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:37 HaruRH wrote: You guys know nuts about my scum play lol. I only like being scum, not being this useless town I am. I literally will go hells blazin' for my scum play. I hate being useless as scum. If you guys seriously think we are scum, then you're all fucking wrong. Put your vote back on poofter/nb. I don't believe a few paragraphs of reads can change all your reads. Artanis, ever heard of this term 'time zone'? Its 6am where I am now. I replied to you at 5am, then went back to 'sleep'. I'm not talking about your scum play. I don't even pretend to know your scum play. All I know is that the posts I remember from you are a million words on Rayn and a something on Koshi that doesn't make sense. And trying to let gb take the reins and then you stepping up to clean up his shit which you not only never mentioned before or hinted at at all but failed to do because those were the first posts that made me look at your team funny. And those paragraphs can definitely change my mind. I've been on the fence the whole day, that shit was so townie it made something click in my mind. It's almost as if you haven't even read my post because I'm not talking about your scum game there, I'm talking about glowingbear's distinctive not-his-town game. Also it didn't change "all of my reads" | ||
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i'm saying that's awfully convenient for you now. i DID point out things i didn't like. i told you entirely what i thought of the rayn/koshi stuff, you showed me the rayn stuff which he was presumably typing as he was catching up yet you presented as if they were his current impressions and didn't address or attempt to reinforce the koshi case at all even though i told you i disagreed wholly. | ||
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never talked about the koshi thing again -- if you have been giving gb the reins as town then why isn't gb posting as he did as a townie in newbie lvi | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:17 Tehpoofter wrote: I said you are conspiracy mafia in my reads. yeah so that's just mafia right not "OK is mafia but not" | ||
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my reads are shit except for the one where eden is town | ||
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poof is town as fuck not happening ##unvote ##vote: Vendetta Strada | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:58 GlowingBear wrote: You came aggressive too late, that's what I'm saying. You can't convince me you are town. You can only convince me if you bring a better scenario. This is the scenario I have: we kill you, you flip whatever and we can get useful check against other players. If we die, we have our mafia: Robik, and we are out of LYLO. If we don't, we have our certain check. Give me a better scenario. You're assuming Rayn is scum but he could not be, that's where the problem lies. We would get a similar scenario but our checks would mean nothing because we won't know alignments for sure On July 16 2014 09:44 Eden1892 wrote: robik are you really doctor? because if you are then parity cop check is virtually an auto-win even if we don't lynch poofter. think it through. you die tonight, four people left are artanis, onceking, poofter and me along w/harubear. we will know FOR SURE that the scumteam is one of those two pairs and we should easily be able to eliminate one of the two pairs based on a combination of associations together and with other players and based on independent play. that's ASSUMING WE MISLYNCH TODAY EVEN! but we may not! and if rayn IS scum then it is autowin even with parity cop check. there is no reason to lynch poofter to help the check so let's lynch the scum which is rayn | ||
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you keep saying the same thing without reading why lynching rayn is better do you think poof is town if you think poof is town you should not be voting for what you think is a ML | ||
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its literally not self preservation he votes rayn and lives | ||
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ARE YOU SURE i dont tink thats how it works | ||
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basically what poof said | ||
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there is NO WAY poofter is mafia | ||
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if robik is actually medic why did he whine at beginning of day 2 at medic for not saving marv why did he not give a previous save if eden isnt jailer why does his save make complete sense for him, he and i have been dickriding each other for 144 fucking hours now | ||
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cant coordinate that shit either lynch rayn | ||
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poofter hasnt said jack shit the whole video mafia game hes literally all 100% on this game why would he do this as scum poofter is so town CHANGE THE VOTE | ||
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u READ HIS DEFENSE he was shitting town then u said it yourself and hes shitting town now i know it sounds like im asking for an unflipped association but poe the game who could possibly be poofs partner | ||
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poofter town eden town robik fakeclaim doc me town artanis ?? GAME IS SO MUCH EASIER NOW | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:13 IAmRobik wrote: I've never been lynched as town or mafia. I'm town this game. You're not lynching me ever. There's a high non-negative chance that I'm night killed. Either way the game is a lock because if haru gets a same check, we just lynch the other 2 teams. If haru gets a different check, we lynch both teams taht are checked. Easy fucking game qft | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:19 sinani206 wrote: well played people who were here while i wasn't. ez game is ez no lie i would probably lynch you if you werent me LOL | ||
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ur info on me isnt changing my info on u isnt changing ... we must both be scum | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:40 Eden1892 wrote: but im confirmed town ive been saying it since d1 dude its so tru ok friends lets look at dis shit. we arent actually lynching harubear ever LOL i made that up le rxn test!! xdddddddd onceking and i are confirmed town. so we lynch into 3 people with 2 lynches... robik, artanis, poofter i feel like poofter and robik are both town and i don't like how lackadaisical artanis was at EOD here, i know he checked in last-minute and couldn't truly catch up and GET INTO IT but he literally was like "lol this lynch is ok i guess??" which is meh so... we're lynching into 4 people with 2 lynches | ||
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eden and i are 4evr in love (this game) we will never lynch each other eden - nvm im figuratively retarde, ignore what i said | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I am off of work and currently getting food. I see we lynched mafia. Good! Also, get rekt robik. 1. Who pushed lynch off of me and poof and onto rayn? 2. Why the heck is hf here? 3. Ill read what i missed when i get home 1. eden me poof. basically poof shit town all across the azure skies, eden and i were like yo... poof looks hella town. then eden was like lets kill rayn and i was like ok lets kill rayn. then several pages of capslock later harubear lynched rayn. 2. replacing exo curious question you're in tx huh? where do you work so that your hours are so weird lol | ||
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On July 16 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote: So yeah, I'm gonna let HF take care of the rest of the game. We are the medic We will die at night Just listen to haru's check and we win ok coach will do | ||
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On July 16 2014 15:29 Koshi wrote: Damn, rayn was scum. How fucked are we? who's da mafia? | ||
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First off I think the game is quite townsided. The reason why I feel this way is because of the numbers -- the amount of townies is doubled making it much easier to PoE the game. I know that the number of scum is doubled too but I feel like doubling the amount of scum had less of an impact. AND the RNG took an enormous dump on mafia, holy shit. That's just bad luck. So as I said at the beginning of the game Eden and I confirmed each other instantly by him doing Kenpachi Rule and me sheeping it. I'm telling you that we can get such strong townreads off of each other for the stupidest things, once irl I got up to use the restroom and he townread me for it. So from there I just wanted to push whatever discussion was available. Eventually discussion led me to push the lynch on Slamroot who I had a huge part in mislynching. I know Robik thinks that I was just bandwagoning w/ him and Eden but the fact is that I was on Slamroot before anyone else for my own reasoning and while I didn't spam one liners to try to get people to vote him I said more than anyone else on him. I want to apologize to them for this. I was trying to be as fair as possible, I was almost absolutely sure they were scum but I guess sqrt and slam must have felt pretty persecuted. When they refused to explain their reads I was just like... there's just no way they're town. It's impossible. If they had said something instead of giving up I'd like to think that I would have reconsidered. But for the life of me I can't remember a single personal attack I did on them, the worst I did was say that a response was useless. Anyway my entire game was thrown off once Slamroot flipped town ROFL... after that I was paranoid of everyone except for Eden. Unfortunately Palmiform who I was quite sure was town died also, marvderg I was on the fence about so... worked out ok for me. I honestly expected Eden or myself to die though marv's notes from earlier about how we were both incredibly wrong d1 make sense as to why neither of us were shot. After that I waffled for just way too long because lots of people looked pretty town and I just didn't know what direction to go. At several points in time I tinfoiled Robik scum with Rayn, then Robik scum with Haru (ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FAKECLAIM LOL, I only realized it was really townie after I took a step back), etc. Robik when he was actually being helpful this game I liked, Robik when he was talking about how he was a townie I didn't like. So at this point, knowing Eden and myself were town I thought: mafia is fucked if they keep us together at LYLO. Because we can't be made to turn on each other, and yet neither of us has been shot so the people who look worst to me are people who are trying to throw doubt on either of us (to convince everyone else that one of us is scum though we confirmed each other a zillion times over). These players were: bunnies, ExO, artanis. I can't really blame artanis for this though as he replaced in. Speaking of which, another thought crossed my mind where replacements are statistically more likely to be scum, so the double slot replace made me think you guys were even more likely to be mafia... lol. Too bad I didn't say anything, so I guess it doesn't count. So I tentatively followed onto bunnies. Then poof as town as fuck. So I followed his case onto Haru and honestly had Haru never made the posts on Rayn and Koshi (even though he turned out to be right) I would have never done that. But then the claims came out and from there imo the game was pretty much solved. At that point, there was nothing the mafia could do imo. At that point mafia has to kill three people -- Haru the cop, Eden the jailer and me who can better than anyone decipher the Will of Eden and his breadcrumbs. They probably didn't realize they have to kill me though lmao. At this point I would have taken a flip over a save as stupid as it sounds. The remaining teams were: Robik/HF OK/Sinani Eden/gk poof/bunnies koshi/artanis haru/gb Because of Eden's breadcrumb from WAY back I knew that Eden wasn't going to jail haru/gb. But there's no mafia with the balls to NOT shoot either the claimed jailer or claimed medic lol. Just... no scum team is ever going to call that bluff when they can get the guaranteed kill on the jailer. So after Eden flips haru gets back his check. I know haru is legit cop because his beef with rayn meant that it couldn't be scum/scum interaction. If he gets back a "same" check then it confirms bunnies and someone else as town, if he gets back a different we just lynch into two teams with two lynches. Once rayn flipped the game was impossible for mafia to win. Eden and I basically became super god-tier confirmed town for that switch. Personally I'm a bit disappointed in myself for faltering so much on day 2. I didn't impact the game at all during those 48 hours except for the very end when I decided to take a stand -- even though that stand turned out to be incorrect, I feel that it eventually led us to the win. So in the end even though I was wrong on Slamroot I should trust in myself more anyway. Thanks to kita and TicaTica for a fun game. Thanks to all the other players for playing with me too. EDEN WE DID IT BRAH | ||
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The only thing you can say to that is like, "oh i disagree, your process of elimination is wrong" which comes down to... eh. It's not nearly as defensible as an actual case. | ||
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cause I wasn't gonna lynch poof and I wasn't gonna lynch haru after the claim and I sure as fuck wasn't gonna lynch Eden or myself so... I'm just PoE'd into three teams lol | ||
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On July 17 2014 02:59 goodkarma wrote: Are hydra QTs going to be posted BTW? Not that important, but would be interesting to see how the town internally read the game as it progressed. they're linked in the game spreadsheet ok I read through obs QT I guess the slamroot case was demonstrably not a slam dunk like I thought it was. I'd like to get general impressions from everyone though, was I really being witch-hunty? I felt like Eden was but I didn't care because I thought he was town and knew he was just doing whatever he felt he had to do in order to secure the vote. | ||
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it's undoubtedly going to cause salt down the line but salt is natural and ever flowing, salt is part of the circle of trife and always happens after anyone loses at anything anyway. | ||
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On July 19 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote: It's no coincidence that when i joined the game mafia conceded. ![]() | ||
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