EPTTeam Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets
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On July 10 2014 15:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: Slam, will you be providing us with normal slam? Or newbie game slam? chupazi | ||
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OH SHIT ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BFyIRFp.jpg) | ||
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boy this sure is gonna be boring as a vanilla townie... | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:05 Tehpoofter wrote: The mafia team thanks you for making role hunting easier. you're welcome ##VOTE Tehpoofter | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Eden are you sure you're not Blazinghand? it would be a great honor | ||
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How. Let us observe these chupazi scum TheD ##VOTE TheD - Poofter thanks me on behalf of the mafia team for helping them bluehunt. What townie does this? None! Townies fear svengali encroaching on their shining beacons of blue sky goodness - Bunnies overreact in response, townie? No! She rather vote off the confirmed green beacon than sort out her teammate's innocence, because her teammate is not innocent! ¡Hijole! | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote: We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is. ExO, the floor is yours! confirmed power role i will sheep you to victory robik lead me | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:29 Tehpoofter wrote: Surely it wasn't poofter being upset some donkey claimed VT thus narrowing the mafia to closer to finding a real pr which could include but is not limited to Team TheD. How many times has Chupazi worked curiously? how do you know im town poofter | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:34 IAmRobik wrote: Gets on Banks case for PR hunting...goes on to PR hunt LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL i'm allowed to do that because i'm confirmed town | ||
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then why did you believe my VT claim 100% and get pissy about me "making role hunting easier" | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Cause claiming VT is a bad play I never said I believe it. As either alignment tbh its bad. But as town I don't like it. If I had it my way everyone would claim to be cop and leave checks openly in case they died at night to protect the real cop. Why did you think I believed your VT claim? Just cause I got mad? uh yea because even tho you're saying right now "oh it's bad regardless of alignment" your response was entirely measured as tho i'm town like here you are, still acting like it's 100% legit claim and if you had your way everyone would claim cop? why not lead the way and claim cop then muchacho | ||
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no one is using the Kenpachi Rule this is actually the Ihcapnek Rule, where someone is scum because they believe a VT claim too quickly, not because they cast doubt on the VT claim this is much better than the Kenpachi Rule and you should all follow the Ihcapnek Rule and vote TheD | ||
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because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote: No, I want to move passed this. I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with. ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dp0Ng1guL._SY300_.jpg) | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:01 IAmRobik wrote: OK and Eden have to stop harping on this "whatever" rule bullshit. It's really not progressing the thread anywhere and it's annoying to read over and over again go back to not posting | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: That's some good seasoning. We use it in the South on just about everything. it is, i use it all the time very high salt content though, much like your post | ||
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poofter's criticism is now "baww i don't like vt claims you should claim cop with scans so we can protect the real cop" but he's not doing it... and yea robik are you just gonna whine about where discussion is going or do something about it? don't be lame you're better than this | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: Rob if you were mafia, what kind of post would you have made? what was the purpose of this question? i waited until robik answered and i notice no follow-up nor any town-origin direction i can perceive | ||
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and yet you call out robik for not posting anything helpful... On July 11 2014 12:30 27ninjabunnies wrote: The purpose was to see how he would respond. I have no follow up because he is not giving me what I want. what would his possible response(s) have indicated to you about his alignment? | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:38 27ninjabunnies wrote: Idk, depends on what he posted. For all I know, it wouldn't have revealed anything. But he stated he had this entire post thought out for when he was town. My thinking was, he could have an entire post thought out for when he was mafia. So I wanted to compare the two. 1. It could be used for future games 2. They could be exactly the same. 3. t could have revealed information on his alignment. Rob is no where near a dumb player. He says things because it has a basis to the game. He doesn't just type things just to type it. So there was a reason he typed his whole "this is what I would have posted as town" spiel. I'm not sure it's because he is town. so looking at these reasons: #1: doesn't help us in this game #2: what does it mean if they're the same? #3: what might comparing the two posts have revealed about his alignment? my issue here is that you're right, robik doesn't type just to type. you recognize doing so as dumb play (by extension of saying robik isn't a dumb player because he doesn't do this). yet to me this question looks exactly like typing just to type. i don't see where it's going, and you've just explained yourself that this isn't a good thing to do. ninjibuni wat r u doin??? | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote: Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D wow ok count 'em up there's #2 we goin to da top town ![[image loading]](http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif) | ||
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do you have an opinion about anything that matters poofter? | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote: I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. BUNNIES, MY VOLTRON NIGGA: do you have any followup to this post | ||
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I didn't actually "get the feeling" blahblah at all, actually I was starting to back off my scumread of slot TheD and bunnies' recent posts have solidified that move. We're not lynching bunnies today ##UNVOTE Team TheD ##VOTE Team FakeClaim Why? Robik is on Team FakeClaim, and Robik claimed town. Therefore he is fake claiming and therefore he is scum. Checkmate | ||
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On July 11 2014 14:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: /confirm Worst post in thread. The bolded is also pretty terrible. thanks for your contributions | ||
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On July 11 2014 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll explain when i get off work, or maybe Palmar can explain? He shouldbe able to- hi i am new to tl mafia you and palmar are not on the same team -- why would he be able to explain this when he hasn't even checked into the thread yet? is this some meta comment i'm missing | ||
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On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote: I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo | ||
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I do think it's kinda opportunistic for people just to be talking about Robik when there's enough that's happened to get reads outside of his play, especially since Robik is making himself an easy target by claiming to be townie and intentionally playing scummy (but it's ok you guys cause he's totally townie he promises), but I also don't think it's incorrect to point out that he's pointedly not trying very hard at all | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote: The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:33 marvellosity wrote: Elaborate for me then please. -M&M P.S. ok i'm obviously not going to ignore you. I'm too weak-willed. I feel like OnceKing, bunnies and I have all said enough to get good reads on us. What did you think of TheD's responses to my claiming VT? What do you think about OnceKing? | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:33 Palmar wrote: Well I'm basically confirmed town ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6cummhF9k1qdgj33.png) hey palmar! onceking really likes your play style and insights on the game and so i've heard good things about you but you're not posting anything yet and that's sad who do you most want to lynch right now and why | ||
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my good read on OK is that he's town, it's kind of a meta thing because we have pretty similar thought processes when we're town, so the fact that he's almost literally in my head at times in this thread points to him being town to me. uh more generally i feel like the questions he asked bunnies during the back-and-forth we had about my VT claim were on-point, bunnies' questions didn't seem like they were going anywhere and he was asking specific questions about the direction of her questioning to figure out whether the questions were coming from the right place. as for why me, i'm town because i'm vanilla townie, but even aside from that... idk same reasons OK is town tbh, like i said my thought process and his have been nearly identical this game. i've been asking pretty similar questions with the same intent (figure out what bunnies was doing, in particular) and so most of what i said about OK applies to me as well | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:50 ExO_ wrote: Couldn't you make the same meaningless argument for bunnies posts though? Why is she getting a pass? Regardless, I'll be sure to tell Robik to post more idk, could you? expound please | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:47 HaruRH wrote: I don't want to omgus so early :/ So you're mistaken accidentally. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 11 2014 22:22 HaruRH wrote: Even after re-reading your sentence, it still don't make sense. ##Vote: TeamVendettaStrada -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear ? first of all why even be worried at all about "omgus"ing? if you're town then vote your suspects, that's all that matters secondly if you're gonna be worried about omgusing then why turn right back around and do it? third why does someone accusing you before you accuse them make them more likely town? | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. i wasn't joking, the last time i had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner i really did get laid by a hot russian chick later that night | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote: [/i][/i]Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post. Some of these town reads are kind of fishy. Ex: Not my cup of tea. Or this one I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) still catching up but lynch this guy. rofl. "Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post." "I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated." you're joking right 1. townies don't "cast doubt" on posts. if they think posts are bad or scummy they question them and press further or just outright build a case. if they think it's good they don't bother addressing them unless they need to in order to steer discussion in the desired direction. none of these describe sqrt's post, he says this is the best post but then equivocates on the poster's town status and doesn't dig into it further. 2. how is it the best post if the reads seem fabricated lmao that makes no sense | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:23 IAmRobik wrote: That was my sister bro. Not cool. SUKA BLYAD your sis have bipolar disorder bro? sorry for your loss | ||
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god bless you | ||
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everybody shut the fuck up about robik he's town this is a waste bunnies is not toxic to the thread, her questions might not always be going places and her spat with robik or whoever tf back in the 30s was silly but it doesn't matter because she is also town we're lynching sqrt today, god bless america someone read the post i highlighted in response to exo's reads and tell me how it isn't scum-motivated | ||
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yea hombre it means we're on the same page which is good | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: Wait y u lynch sqrt? ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140108021302/villains/images/2/27/Beetlejuice.jpg) | ||
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U NEVA ANSWER MY FIRST PT AND UR SECOND PT AIN'T MAKIN SENSE Y U CASTIN DOUBT ON A POST BRO? WHERE'S YA FOLLOWUP ON THE "INFORMATIVE" POST BRO? SENT FROM MY IPHONE | ||
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On July 12 2014 07:39 Chairman Ray wrote: Kay I'm going to work now. If ninjabunnies accumulates another 8 pages of filter while I'm gone, I'd totes lynch her too. Ain't nobody got time for that. AY don't cockblock a girl just cause she got a stronger post game than you Policy lynch is beta lynch your scumread | ||
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On July 12 2014 08:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Slam wants me to stop posting. He also wants me to revoke all my reads. I have no idea who's scum, but I'm absolutely sure that I'm town, and so is Slam. I'm eating a shrimp chimichanga | ||
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This chimichanga is insufficient | ||
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You look like a tasty lunch | ||
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On July 12 2014 08:42 Alakaslam wrote: You should think about this statement And tell me why we are now confirmed town or else you can lynch lurkers before us and get a guaranteed win. Otherwise I will point it out & u look phoolish I don't care Does that answer help me lynch scum? If so then I will care If not and until I see that it does idgaf | ||
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The clock strikes 10:30 and I'm skipping brunch You look much tastier than cap'n crunch Better find scum or you're gonna be lunch | ||
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How tf are you gonna find scum by not reading lmao Slam blatant disinterest in finding mafia, sqrt not posting from townie perspective at all That's why we're lynching this slot today | ||
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Shiny Ursaring will you lynch Slamroot with me | ||
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I am currently mobile posting cause power is out. If it is relevant I have time to read. If it is not then it is too inconvenient to read on mobile. Pls advise | ||
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But screw looking for scum in them right now let's lynch Slamroot Sqrt are you going to address anything against you or can I start doing unflipped associations | ||
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On July 12 2014 11:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey, look what happens with a little pressure. Don't worry about this game too much. Slam is a wonderful mentor. Learn from him and you'll do great next game! Wtf kinna post is this? All it's missing is an "Aw shucks, cheer up scumbuddy, we'll get 'em next time!" | ||
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Imma be honest I tl;dr'd your argument here, will you kill Slamroot today and then we can discuss Shiny Ursaring tomorrow? Slamroot is clearly scum IMO and I don't really know what to think of Shiny Ursaring so I would rather we kill Slamroot and go from there | ||
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Proposal stands hopefully you will accept | ||
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On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote: But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread): - WeDemandALawyer - Magic Computer - GoodCopBadCop - M&M of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important | ||
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On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote: Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then | ||
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1: 31 posts (020/011) 2: 36 posts (025/011) 3: 99 posts (044/055) 4: 123 posts (031/092) 5: 64 posts (043/021) 6: 21 posts (009/012) 7: 80 posts (008/072) 8: 93 posts (077/016) 9: 89 posts (011/078) 10: 91 posts (076/015) preliminary thoughts by team: - slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot - slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it - slot 3 is scum, we're killing today - slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot - slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing - slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in - slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting - slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot tl;dr: - slot 3 scum - slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table - slot 6 tbd - slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:19 GlowingBear wrote: [spoiler]Alright. --Your first case: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote: Still nowhere near caught up but I want to ##vote: Unvote ##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!) When did I turn into a hand? lol Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one". Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural. Ok, now on your bigger case: --Your second case: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote: (1)Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject. (2)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together. (3)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.) (4)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else. (5)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf... (6)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question? Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539. Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven. I don't see this as consistent. (1) Answered above (2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time (3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy? (4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote: So I guess here is where the problem lies I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin. My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it. He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all. (5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch? (6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team. I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here. Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine. TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol i'm not reading this shit or anything of similar length. if i go back on this and read it later consider it a merciful blessing by the grace of god but do not expect me to comment on anything this long because i won't | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:36 Alakaslam wrote: I am martyring under the understanding that 27nb is probably actually right. The two slots I called out are scum; when we are confirmed it does not matter what sqrt did, he won you the game by being just the right level of LHF to get scum to unreasonably push him; the scummiest form of pushing an agenda "i intentionally played scummy to get the scum to push me as a mislynch, bow before my scumhunting glory" | ||
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If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing. Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town. So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained). So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town. | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1. your actions have been recorded. no shit they've been recorded, i posted it in a public thread on the internet for all to see you've completely missed the boat on the point of my post, i'm trying to get marv off of your slot and onto lynching Slamroot because that's what i want for today. idgaf about the d2 lynch right now because we've already got the silly "there's no counterwagon so it must be a mislynch!" argument coming out and i'm not about to let this obvscum off the hook on that copout | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote: Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:29 HaruRH wrote: Your intent was obviously setting us up as scum that is bussing slamroot. Stop trying to pretend it isn't. The flow of your post goes like this: 1) if glowingbear is scum, he is bussing 2) slamroot is bussable due to how bad their response to being lynched was 3) they're scum because..... 4) no counterwagon because they're going to be bussed 5) looking for team which fits description of bussing 6) glowingbear fits the bill 7) happy to lynch glowingbear tomorrow No, it isn't. I pitched that post specifically from marv's point of view that you're mafia. Even if marv is right and you are, it's still better to lynch Slamroot today in my view. Calm down and reassess. | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote: What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. It's not inherently scummy, it's null. If he posts close to nothing d1 I would expect maybe one big post with reads and that's it for d1. I've gotten as much. It doesn't mean anything. More to the point, you didn't explain how it's scummy in the post I was describing. You just said he doesn't say anything, and then after I mentioned it, you added in that it's inherently scummy. And you didn't explain anything to do with me, just some handwavey stuff about reading the thread. And I know he hasn't posted it yet, I'm saying that your responses aren't making sense to me. I'm not really concerned with your slot right now beyond talking to you right now, though. | ||
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On July 12 2014 20:59 Palmar wrote: we did it again! started on a weekend! Disclaimer: I'm hungover and will get mad. ![[image loading]](http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3305953/popcorn-guy-2.gif) ![[image loading]](http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/gregg-popovich-approved-o.gif) | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote: those who choose to listen. Make me Also this is bullshit the other scum is one of you yellow-bellied seersuckers who keeps cranking out that wishy-washy "sure Slamroot is scummy BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT I dont wanna voooote for theeem" crap If Lawyer gets lynched today and flips town shame on like half of y'all's cowardly asses | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Lawyer gonna get lynched? Nope. We are. And I'm trying to help town. I gave my thoughts on who's mafia, and who's town. Like I said, you can disregard them. You don't have to listen to what I think. But that's what I think. Even if you flip town I'm >90% sure I'm going to ignore your reads at this point because I don't agree with them and you're not explaining them at all. | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Plus, reads, are just thoughts. One's thoughts are just thoughts. When I do flip town, you don't want to take my reads into consideration b/c they're just thoughts. Have you considered that I don't want town to win anymore? After they mislynch me D1? First time getting D1ed for me. Ever, including a significant number of irl games. But instead of not giving reads at all, I'm giving mine, just not explaining them. Make do with them. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/boo_this_man_half_baked.gif) | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden, you're either mafia or stupid town. I hope you're the first one. I'm pretty stupid But I'm pretty town And I'm pretty right | ||
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On July 12 2014 23:21 IAmRobik wrote: I don't remember exactly what it was that really sealed the deal, but I just got that feeling right around the same time that Eden did. he means this post fwiw: On July 12 2014 06:30 Eden1892 wrote: [/i][/i]still catching up but lynch this guy. rofl. "Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post." "I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated." you're joking right 1. townies don't "cast doubt" on posts. if they think posts are bad or scummy they question them and press further or just outright build a case. if they think it's good they don't bother addressing them unless they need to in order to steer discussion in the desired direction. none of these describe sqrt's post, he says this is the best post but then equivocates on the poster's town status and doesn't dig into it further. 2. how is it the best post if the reads seem fabricated lmao that makes no sense | ||
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On July 13 2014 04:04 HaruRH wrote: I don't want to lynch a given up scum. I want to lynch actual scum. And I'm sheeping robik. you don't want to lynch scum o k a y this is too ridiculous to be scum, but you need to lynch Slamroot today with me. your target is not getting lynched today | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote: I was taking a nap and I'm studying. I haven't moved my vote yet, but I don't think it really matters at this moment. voting is a pain in the ass, and as long as the thread is going in the direction I want, I don't feel like I really have to push any agenda. My vote will end up on sqrt/slam by the end unless things change drastically, but I still think poof/bunnies look sketch. if it's going to end up there, you should go ahead and put it there now and change it later if needed | ||
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if Slamroot is not-mafia then OnceKing is mafia is true, then the contrapositive if OnceKing is not mafia, then Slamroot is mafia must also be true and because OnceKing is confirmed town Slamroot must be mafia! gottem coach | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote: The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I have a theory about this but I'm saving it until nighttime because I want Slamroot dead and it's far more compelling if Slamroot does flip scum | ||
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robik, in that newbie game we played together, ok kept doing shit i didn't fully understand, but didn't find especially sinister. for example the case he made on valenius... i never agreed with it at all. it sounded good enough and looked to me like town play from him but i disagreed with the read big time and never really considered valenius a legit target. he pushed on somebody else i forget that didn't really follow to me either compare to this game where we're literally x-posting and you can see the difference. if he's scum then he's got me because i feel like at the very least he would be sluggish in seeing what i'm seeing, y'know? because he doesn't know what i would consider "knowing too much" and he would need time to assess it. not here, he's just firing away with whatever he's got and it's exactly what i'm seeing too it's a bullshit unfair heuristic for him when he is scum but basically if he's not on the same page as me and i'm town, he's scum. he's on the same page to a ridiculous extent that only makes sense when you consider that he taught me the game so he's confirmed town and i'm confirmed town | ||
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On July 13 2014 06:53 IAmRobik wrote: You think bunnies is "fucking obvtown"?!?!? Oh jeez. move your vote you lazy motherfucker | ||
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bunnies: this? On July 13 2014 05:15 27ninjabunnies wrote: I do. I've seen Slam get mad as town when he was about to get mislynched. And it seems he is getting mad this game. I've also never seen slam give up. He has fought to the death as town, so I admit, that slows me down a bit on my townread. But I also see no one really defending them. Some have said "eh well, maybe they are town" and seem wishy washy. Idk, to me it seems if they were mafia, why would their mafia scummate want them lynched day 1? Unless they really think they can win this game by themselves. I just don't see it. What about CRs post seemed townie to you? | ||
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the only way his behavior makes any sense is as mafia trying to set up the bus. no one is defending him because it's indefensible | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote: Look at the post above this question you asked. Eden quoted it. It's mostly to do with the fact there's not really much a defense. Plus, slam as mafia wouldn't just give up imo. Sqrt, eh. I read him wrong often, and have pushed mislynches on him cause he never evaluates on his reads unless asked specifically. ok but here's the thing. 1. slam giving up only helps him as mafia. i don't think slam would normally just give up as either alignment so we have to toss a meta read here, it doesn't fit his persona regardless. people have quoted him not giving up as town in other games. so the meta read is murky and i think it only makes sense to look at whose agenda it advances 2. sqrt was specifically asked and pointedly, repeatedly refused to elaborate, so it's more than just "oh well he never evaluates and that's his town meta" imo you're reading too much into meta to the detriment of the fundamentals | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Everyone is just "waiting and seeing". No one is actually trying to do anything but me. Bleh. not true, i've been working my ass off trying to get slamroot lynched agree that most of the game is full of betas tho smh | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it? none as with every town lynch ever | ||
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2) more importantly this allows his teammate to bus and harp on people who didn't lynch him 3) even if his teammate doesn't bus, slam's slot has dominated d1 discussion | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: Wrong. You can see who pushed hardest. You can see who defended hardest. You can also see who just sheeped. So much info gained. none of those are alignment-indicative --> no info gained ezpz | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: none of those are alignment-indicative --> no info gained ezpz or better put: i can tell all of this before the flip. so them flipping doesn't add anything to this particular info set | ||
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Ain't nobody got time for that shit Make ya point girl | ||
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I'd like to take a minute to talk to you about The Lord Jesus Christ WWJD? Lynch the blasphemer posting glorifying pictures of The Devil Lynch Slamroot, son of Satan, Bearer of the Svengali, Keeper of the Chupazi, Usurper of the Bamcis | ||
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I could be okay lynching bunnies Robik I don't wanna hear it Tomorrow for sure but I buy it now Robik I said shut up I don't wanna hear it Bunnies ovrrxn weird Yes Robik you were right are you happy | ||
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This ya High Priest, Caretaker Eden We must cleanse the Slamroot in the Fires of the Noose It is time to pay for your sins Slamroot | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't remember him really answeing these. If he has, I've completely missed them. Also, seriously. Whoever is reading me as scum, you're wrong. And that wasn't overreacting. If anything he was overreacting and reading completely wrong the things I've post. Palmar's fallen in love with me and my case on Slamroot and been pretty open about it Are you reading the thread rabidt? This is clear to me | ||
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On July 13 2014 11:20 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I'm god and no one can be trusted but me (and ExO) Yea nice mislynch "god" We got here as a team we're getting out as a team | ||
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lets go fam i would lynch out of: - wraystlimania - robikexo in particular i really dont like how robik wasn't trying to get his target lynched at all and it feels like he's been half-assing this game big-time. there's just a HUGE discrepancy between this: On July 13 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote: I was taking a nap and I'm studying. I haven't moved my vote yet, but I don't think it really matters at this moment. voting is a pain in the ass, and as long as the thread is going in the direction I want, I don't feel like I really have to push any agenda. My vote will end up on sqrt/slam by the end unless things change drastically, but I still think poof/bunnies look sketch. and On July 13 2014 11:20 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I'm god and no one can be trusted but me (and ExO) it's like "oh well the thread is going where i want so i dont care to try" -> lynch target flips town -> "ok we're doing what i want now fuck all yall u suck without my righteous guidance" High Priest Eden Caretaker of the Garden rejects this false god and so should you i feel like we're echo chambering about bunnies still, a lot of stuff she says sounds weird but when i reread it and assume she's town it's not that bad she seems to be violating the "townies dont post without a direction" heuristic really badly tho so i can understand her as a lynch, i just dont like it. i want robik instead bc he's being a pussy and when robik is a pussy hes scum | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote: Eden, if you think you're going to get me and ExO mislynched this game, you've got another think coming to you. ABUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH lookit me im a dumbass dog if you think you're a mislynch | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:54 IAmRobik wrote: Actually, this is pretty much what marv does as town (if i recall our conversation correctly). If he likes where the thread is going, he just sits back and lets shit happen, like when I bashed Plammmar's mafia face in in Heavyweight Champ. I like to change my play up a tiny bit here and there based off of my mood. My mood this game is to not try so damn hard, but to let my partner lead. He'll have a much better d2 than d1 in terms of analysis and posting. I think that he has a good grasp of games after d1. I just kept up my usual town spam d1. I didn't really say anything important besides: 1) bunnies is scum cause I caught her 2) slam is scum cause he gave up and is super shady 3) rayn is town cause I read him as town within the first few posts of the game I may have said some other stuff, but I really don't remember what they were anymore. Oh, I said something about CR more likely town than scum based off of his entrance. idgaf what you claim marv does as town, nor do i gaf what you claim you do as town, i gaf whether your words and actions match up and they don't at all if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:00 marvellosity wrote: you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one. Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie. that's not really the point of my argument, i'm trying to tease out what he's saying the problem is that robik didn't do a damn thing to influence the thread's direction the first day, and he outright gave the direction the green light on multiple occasions. then as soon as it goes wrong he acts like he has all the answers and we should just follow him because we're all stupid rubes who mislynched a townie. he's fucking gloating about us mislynching slamroot because he wasn't involved with it please explain in what universe a townie gloats about the fact that town mislynched town because that townie didn't feel like influencing the thread away from the lynch | ||
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1) who cares if the bullshit -> mafia chain isn't always easy? you're not just gonna refuse to explore everything that's bullshit because the bullshit -> mafia chain doesn't always work, are you? 2) who cares if it's not outside town!robik's MO? mafia by definition aren't going to work outside of their town MO because if they do they get caught | ||
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2) yes, it does make sense. think about what you're saying. "you can't conclude that x is mafia for doing something bullshit b/c they could do something bullshit as town!" guess what, everyone can do anything as town or mafia. not to mention that i'm not arguing "it's bullshit therefore mafia" in the first place, i called bs on your meta-defense of robik. the actual argument is "robik is whining and crying about the direction the town took after slamroot flipped town when he explicitly signed off on that direction and pointedly refused to influence it before the flip." which is a pretty good argument for robik being scum and certainly not "bullshit therefore mafia" i really don't like this post from marv at all. i feel like my argument is being oversimplified and fallaciously reduced to absurdity, and that marv should know better | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:43 IAmRobik wrote: I didn't gloat. I said that he wasn't my top target, but that I thought he was scummy so I was cool with it. Learn to read and stop misinterpreting what I'm saying. ok so if he was scummy and, from what you said earlier, your #2 target, why are you whining about him getting lynched and demanding we go in a different direction? There's a reason I'm playing the game this way, and it's not because I am mafia. So stop calling me mafia. Stop saying that what I'm doing is something that mafia does (while it may be true, it's not in this case, so fuck that noise), and you can go back to scumhunting. Having said that, I trust my reads -- especially the minute ones -- better than i trust ZOMGTHISCASEISSOGOOD ones, so I want you, and everyone else in the game, to know that we're lynching who I say we're lynching tomorrow...KAPISH? this is really setting off my "fuck you" alarms, you're not even halfway addressing my concerns and if you expect me to roll over and do what you want after that, you can sit on a cactus throne scumlord | ||
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right now i think robik is scum because you look like you're gloating about the fact that the town mislynched somebody and you didn't push it. he looks that way because he's trying to use that as a cudgel to beat down the people who were leading the lynch yesterday so he can control the lynch. that's not what townies do. they don't just try to get control of the lynch on principle, they do it as a means to the end of lynching scum. can anyone tell me who robik wants to lynch right now? (obviously not you robik i assume you know) because all i've gotten from him since the lynch is "MY TURN MY TURN MY TURN TEACHER MAKE MEEEE THE LEADER TO GO TO LUNCH TODAAAAY" | ||
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give me a concise case on theD please, I'm just not seeing bunnies as scum from what i saw yesterday but i'm open to changing my mind on it | ||
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On July 14 2014 09:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Did you ever expand on this theory after teh flip? I read shit really fast so I could catch up cause bunnies is getting mad at me she apparently thinks were going to get misslynched. I didn't, and I guess now's as good a time as any. My theory was that M&M was the mafia team out of that group. (I don't think Palmar is mafia so I don't think his team is mafia.) The rough case for it (amended with more recent comments):
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On July 14 2014 09:51 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I won't stand for someone being anti-town even if I think they're town. I don't have perfect information, so if someone is pushing against me, then I am going to push back because I know they are promoting a mafia agenda (even if they're town). pressuring you to play for real and make actual cases isn't anti-town please leave the red giant star that is your ego at the door long enough for us to lynch mafia | ||
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i want to lynch m&m right now wraystlimania also on radar by poe as is rexobik | ||
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actually four tiers will not lynch: onceking, eden, palmiform, shinyursaring, roshi prefer not to lynch: rexobik, thed ambivalent on lynching: wraystlimania prefer to lynch: m&m | ||
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maybe put shiny ursaring into "prefer not to lynch" instead of "will not lynch" but either way they're low on my radar atm | ||
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uh as for exo lemme read ive been ignoring because wall of texts not afk | ||
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aite let's put rexobik back in "ambivalent about lynching" and if he flips scum then wraystlimania can move out of there | ||
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do not lynch: frauds, palmiform, roshi please do not lynch: shiny ursaring, thed eh whatever lynch i guess: wraystlimania, rexobik (if one of them is scum, the other is likely town) please lynch: scuM&scuM | ||
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guess i was obviously wrong about more than just m&m? maybe? is it harubear????? | ||
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I'm confirmed town, we've already established this, literally no one thinks I'm mafia and if you decided that you think I am mafia you're wrong and stop being silly. Next there is no goddamned way OnceKing is a different alignment from me. We've crossposted like 15 times this game with the same idea and we're not in the same slot. Either we're both town and seeing the same thing and commenting on it or we're both mafia and decided "hey bro you kno itd be cool as fuk this game if we deliberately said the same shit all the time and crossposted and 100 million % townread each other theres no way this could ever backfire ok bro lets go." Aside from the fact that I'm confirmed town and thus OnceKing is town, that makes no sense at all so there's no way we're mafia together. So OnceKing is town. Obviously that also makes our slots town, which is good, because otherwise we'd be boned because holy shit these dudes aren't talking at all lmfao. So that's two slots out of seven done. Honestly I could lynch everyone else but I'm trying to narrow this down so I'm probably going to call people town that I might still be comfortable killing because damn none of y'all are obvious town besides my slot and OnceKing's slot. Going through the rest of the slots in order, before looking at filters: raynpelikoneet: I don't remember a damn thing this dude has said this game. He's obviously not even trying to influence the direction of the lynch. I can't remember any significant analysis he's done either, so even if analysis is his game instead of influence, it's still not memorable. And he's not some noob either, he's in marv's power rankings after all. He's either lazy town that's decided "fuck it, I don't know what's going on, I'd rather play Hearthstone than try to participate in this game," or he's mafia. Would be okay lynching. TheSlenderMan: I remember him posting a few walls of text I didn't read. Not very active either but I remember him sorta trying to influence the lynch which is good. Might be a more analytical type that posts long infrequent walls and while I hate dealing with that shit it's not a mafia thing to do per se. Had some beef with ExO_ that I remember thinking made sense. Indifferent to lynching him. HaruRH: All I remember from him is him getting super pissy at me for trying to convince marv to vote Slamroot even if marv though his slot was mafia. Literally my only impression of him so far is that he has a short fuse on his OMGUS and he sucks at reading comprehension. There was some kind of clusterfuck about him defending his partner that I don't remember and don't care about. Indifferent to lynching him. GlowingBear: I remember very few specifics about him but the general tone of his posts is pretty townie to me. He's invested, he tries to persuade people to lynch his scum reads. I didn't agree with / (?)don't(?) agree with the reads I remember but that's a weak-ish heuristic and it isn't enough to override my strong town vibes from him. He's open with his thought process, his direction is clear, and when he's gotten frustrated it's read like real emotion. Would not be okay lynching him. TehPoofter: He's posted a moderate amount but nothing I can really remember. I don't feel like he's really tried to direct the lynch much. Just nothing memorable to say here. Indifferent to lynching him. 27ninjabunnies: I've been defending her pretty hard most of the game (ignore my vote on her slot right now LOL). Some people were talking shit about her style, I don't get it. I like her style. She's talked a lot and I felt like she put forth some real effort to get her preferred target(s) lynched, it just wasn't effective/successful. There's a distinct difference between her and some of the other players here, in that while they've all failed to convince people to lynch their preferred target, bunnies tried and they didn't. And what matters as far as getting a read is whether or not you tried. Her reads have been okay this game from what I can recall. Would not be okay lynching her. Chairman Ray: All I remember are some one-liners whose specific content is unmemorable. Most of his posts that I recall were complaining/commenting/whatevering on Slam trolling the game. He's not trying to get his scum read lynched. He's not posting significant analyses that I remember (?)maybe I glossed over them because they were tl;dr(?) Would be okay lynching him. Koshi: All I remember is that he wants my body, and something about some reads or whatever that oh wait I don't actually remember this either oops. Not memorable at all and he's supposed to be this big shot in marv's power rankings too. Would be okay lynching him. IAmRobik: He wants TheD and he's vocal about wanting to control the lynch. But he's not doing anything to convince me or anyone else that he should have TheD. Not impressed. I think I intuitively scumread his bluster whenever he plays because I feel like he has to know he's not going to convince anyone by yelling and beating his chest, which means he's deliberately giving away his influence on the lynch, which is scummy to me. Would be okay lynching him. ExO_: Dude I don't remember anything he's done this game lol. SlenderMan didn't like him and Robik is acting like he's fucking Superman gonna come swoop in and save us #TYBG. But he hasn't done that. Indifferent to lynching him. So looking at slots now, we're not lynching Rocket, Frauds, TheD or Lawyer unless someone makes a good case or something significantly changes. Out of the other three slots, from most to least preferred lynch: GoodCopBadCop > FakeClaim = VendettaStraya My money is on FakeClaim getting out of this list by the end of the day and GCBC dangling from the noose. Let's start there. ##UNVOTE TheD ##VOTE GoodCopBadCop | ||
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TL;DR: - We're not lynching Rocket, Frauds, TheD, or Lawyer until someone convinces me otherwise - Lynch preference is GoodCopBadCop then FakeClaim or VendettaStraya - Voting for GCBC | ||
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1) What "2 scum tells" did bunnies do? 2) If your case on Poofter is "he's relatively inactive and not trying to solve the game," why don't you want to kill Koshi's slot, since that applies to Koshi as well? | ||
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On July 14 2014 15:12 IAmRobik wrote: I'm going to sleep. Exo can do what he wants. I'm literally about to just give up on this game and just vote whoever Eden votes until he loses the game for town so I can laugh in his face after it's over lol @ u if you think that's going to bother me at all. You won't even get the bittersweet bridesmaid of schadenfreude out of it as a sad, sloppy seconds consolation prize because losing does not upset me. If I played well and lost, I played well and that's what matters. If I played poorly and lost, I know how to improve so I can play well later. I come out ahead of every single game I play, win or lose, so don't count on getting any satisfaction out of me coming out behind, 'cause it's not happening. You'd be better off playing. I threw some questions your way so I can try to understand where you're coming from in the event that you're currently right and I'm currently wrong. | ||
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On July 14 2014 15:17 IAmRobik wrote: I have never focused on Koshi's play, so I'm not as familiar with his meta. I've soooooo many games with Banks and we talk often on skype. It seems to me that he finds it hard to play mafia on forums...he does a really good job in video mafia, but i guess he can't be as passionate on the forums, and that's his like mafia-go-to the two scum tells that bunnies did was 1) not wanting to be called dumb 2) apologizing for something First part sounds sensible enough. I don't know either player's meta, just commenting on the current game. But I can see where you're coming from. I'm not opposed to lynching him anyway, it's bunnies where we disagree. Second part... not buying it as much. Nobody wants to be called dumb and sensible people apologize when they make mistakes. Neither of those are alignment-indicative to me. You remember roughly when these things happened? Because I remember them now that you've mentioned it and I'm gonna go look back but I don't wanna dig thru 11 pgs of filter lmao | ||
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But she pretty clearly said the second part was a joke, and while the resulting exchange with Palmar was odd and (?)I think I remember commenting on it at the time(?), that happened at the same time (roughly, same 3-hr stretch of activity) as the apology-jk thing... I dunno it just reads frustrated town more than scum. She mentioned being mad/sick/whatever when she checked in the next day. It seems genuine to me. Sorry bud. There's still a day and a half to convince me though so don't give up if you believe in it, please. | ||
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~~~Time For Revisions~~~~ bunnies might be at work, idk, idrc honestly. i've played mafia while having a busy day at work, and the stuff she's choosing to comment on isn't stuff i would waste my time on. like think about it you have limited time to talk about stuff, what's your priority going to be? - not addressing stuff that takes a while to address - not addressing pointless shit you have so little time that you have to MAKE IT COUNT by addressing things that actually matter. where is bunnies doing this? i don't see it poofter still hasn't and probably isn't going to give me reason not to lynch him sooo i would lynch this slot now because i'm now indifferent on lynching bunnies and i now would lynch poofter ~~~~ then there's harubear, i keep tl;dring everything bear says almost and i still dont remember anything of substance they said as a result so whatever i could lynch them too ~New Priorities~~ Would not lynch: Rocket, Frauds Prefer not to lynch: Vendetta, GCBC, Rexobik Prefer to lynch: TheD, Lawyer u r welcome robik lets win 2getr ##UNVOTE GoodCopBadCop ##VOTE TheD | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: poofer did you look at Eden's actual case on poofer and if he is +1'ing someone or if he does have a case? Do you think it makes any difference? In case people were town just by yelling "let's lynch [someone]" this game would be really easy to play as scum. So summa summarum, why exactly does that make him town because i do not think your reasoning for your read is anywhere near good? did you actually read the whole thread because if you did there would be zero doubt that i started the wagon on slamroot | ||
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On July 15 2014 09:07 OnceKing wrote: gb did you ever explain why rayn's posting is confirming your suspicions of slender? they actually make me feel better about him human beings in a mob man... OnceKing whats a mob to a king | ||
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On July 15 2014 09:08 GlowingBear wrote: What on rayn's post made you change your mind? What on my post makes me suspicious? Please clarify it to me, I cannot understand how could you change your read so quickly i woke up this afternoon and my gut feeling about you being town changed i've always thought the case made sense, i just didn't feel it, and consequently i'd mainly been skeptical of the people presenting it. but they all look ok/good to me now and i feel the case more shrug | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:28 Eden1892 wrote: Robik shut up I could be okay lynching bunnies Robik I don't wanna hear it Tomorrow for sure but I buy it now Robik I said shut up I don't wanna hear it Bunnies ovrrxn weird Yes Robik you were right are you happy | ||
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On July 16 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you elaborate more on this? This definitely does not apply to all the people. Is there something to actually back up the statement because to me it looks like some general statement how mafia was played about 5 years ago.... Also by that sinani should absolutey be mafia, so why are you not pushing him as a lynch and does it not bother you Eden isn't doing so aswell? Why? If GlowingBear were scum I think he would be much more likely to make cases on townies that already have some momentum. Gb's been going hard in the paint pushing a case on you when (if bunnies is town) he could be pushing a reasonable case on bunnies that would actually serve a purpose for mafia (not getting lynched himself). This makes him more likely to be town to me. The question about sinani doesn't hold up because the contrapositive is "sinani is less likely to be town," not "sinani cannot be town." There's an overwhelming separate set of data that makes OK, and therefore sinani, town. That's fairly elementary logic tbh... Not sure where your disconnect is. | ||
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On July 16 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: And that's the reason why all the good posts and bad posts are forgotten, around 80% of the thread is just pure shit. If rayn doesn't do anything to act on his bitching and moaning by the time I'm done catching up I probably rather lynch him over bunnies. Complaining about thread direction while not doing something about it is extremely shady | ||
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I don't have meta knowledge but I'm not impressed by rayn if this is his town play. Bad logic and directionless whining set off my cactus throne alarms More problematic for me is: Who can bunnies' partner be if NOT rayn? Someone busing her with a close count? You've said it's not me, harubear, ok or rayn, so that leaves Robik which makes no sense to me. | ||
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On July 16 2014 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Making unflipped associations is generally bad. I don't know if it's not OK. I have several people that gave me at least slight townreads and we'll see how they develop as the game goes on. Right now, Bunnies/Poof seems like the most likely slot to flip scum and with no flipped scum so far I'm not going to go by associations. The context here is that I don't understand how your view of the game state is evolving. If you townread me, OK, harubear and rayn, you must by extension believe the scumteam to be bunnies and Robik. The problem isn't one of unflipped associations per se; I'm not saying "you must find a viable partner for bunnies or bunnies can't be scum." I'm saying that bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me and therefore either one of your townreads is wrong or you're mafia. There's one unflipped association there: bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me. That's not a big stretch since Robik has been whining about trying to kill bunnies all game long. | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:27 Tehpoofter wrote: Probably town: Eden/goodkarma(ranked senior to junior) oof #heatcheck man i really like poofter all of a sudden, wtf man where was this the first like week or however long this game has been i gotta think now thanks y'all i was just enjoying playing fallout 3 and cruising to endgame with scum dreamteam poofybunnies/wraystlimania | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:30 OnceKing wrote: like when I play scum I want to be a model fuckin' townie. I wanna be aggressive, confident and look at all this good stuff I'm doing here, look at my nice cases, I'm contributing so much. I know this game isn't that easy to be able to be acting that this way. I'm town, I'm waffling so much I've got eggos spilling out of my ass and even Eden who is one of the most self-assured people I know has flip flopped on his opinions a few times. Literally everyone looks unsure of everyone and everything, I was completely thrown off by slamroot flipping town -- I know this was like FOREVER ago but I was just SO GODDAMNED SURE they had to be scum. Then marvderg and palmiform went and died too -- as far as I'm understanding the only reason why people are saying that implicates rayn is because "older players will fear older players". If that's the case then why doesn't it say anything about Koshi. I find it far simpler and more likely that marvderg and palmiform were both looking at Harubear pretty funny so they died for it. Them being vets and therefore persuasive players probably helped too. I know people look at this kind of thing and go "oh its night kill analysis, its wifom" but I personally never see a scumteam waver to kill someone they know will be trying to completely murder them the next day. unless/until goodkarma vetos me BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ##UNVOTE TheD ##VOTE WeDemandALawyer | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:42 HaruRH wrote: Holy fuck. My scum play is literally me being the most active town. Idk but me being afk should already be a townread already. I'm taking a backseat for glowingbear here. you should be able to see the issue with meta-ing your own activity here | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:47 HaruRH wrote: ??? Do I really need to mention that I'm letting gb take the rein? Is that even alignment indicative? it's not. but then you turn around and use your sparse activity as a self-meta town tell which is silly | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:58 IAmRobik wrote: I laid out earlier EXACTLY what is going to happen. Banks is going to afk until the very end. He's either gonna give a shit defense cause he's town and convince me that he's town but not convince anyone else, or he's going to give the best defense, just like he did in world cup and then no one is gonna want to lynch him. He started out with the former, which made me think, jeez, maybe it's a bad lynch, but now that he's come in with full guns blazing he's like 1000000000% mafia and everyone switching off of him is drinking cool aid straight out of his lying butthole. On July 16 2014 08:07 HaruRH wrote: Right, so since we're getting lynched anyway, here's some tips for you newbie towns: 1) robik is town and anyone who says you lynch robik is scum. 2) scum is obviously poof/rayn. Both of these jerks made their case and are now conveniently gone. 3) this lynch is scum driven. Go find scum by yourself you lazy fucks Both of you are fucking terrible at this game and will never become good at this game until you realize that it doesn't matter whether or not you're right, but whether or not you're convincing. Have y'all never had to convince somebody of something n your lives? Do you think just screaming from the mountaintops that you think X thing is gonna happen is going to convince me or anyone else you need to convince? I'm not convinced by brute force of will, and that's all either of you seem to have for me. Granted, you don't have to convince me, you can theoretically get the lynch you want even if I'm wrong and both scum are on the wagon with me -- but that means you have to convince everyone else... and judging from the reactions you're getting, you're not doing that either. Robik, if you want me to switch to poofybunnies, make a case for it that isn't "poofter is being convincing in defending himself so he's scum." That is terrible logic and it's not something I'm going to switch for. Haru, if you want me to switch to poofybunnies, calm the fuck down and actually back up anything you're saying. This whole game you've done nothing but spout off angry, self-assured declarations that don't appear to be rooted in any facts whatsoever and browbeaten anyone who doesn't immediately see The One True Path. Your game is like a pissant 12-year-old and makes me want to lynch you by default. If you don't want to get lynched, make a case. Why poofybunnies? Why rayn? How is it obvious? This last one's especially important because I would think the one thing every townie is thinking right now is "damn, this is a tough lynch." This game has been difficult. Calling it obvious makes me think you've got some information I don't, because you're scum. | ||
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We aren't lynching Haru. Look at this wagon. The only scumteam that makes sense here is Robik/Haru and I don't see how they buddy each other that openly as mafia. This lynch is too easy and happened too quickly for me to be comfortable with it. My vote's open, someone convince me. ##UNVOTE WeDemandALawyer | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:35 HaruRH wrote: I am ignoring you for the rest of this game You pissed me off to the extent I claimed. I am done talking to you Don't be an idiot, tell me what lynch works best with your scan strategy. | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:44 IAmRobik wrote: well i'm the medic, so cop will 100% live tomorrow with a real check. I suggest a Rayn check or a koshi check :popcorn: | ||
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Like why when it's crunch time and time to avoid being lynched is he harping on a claim that matters jack shit all if he's town? Makes no sense, I think he's just mad caught scum and going full Scooby Doo with this "if it weren't for you meddling kids" shit | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Why not ? Give me a reason. Who is my teammate? Find them please. Like do that right the fuck now. Tell me my teammate Who is it?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Why are they letting me die knowing there is a cop out with a check on me so if he lives (robik is claiming medic remember) will confirm a town adn basically cause an auto lose the only one thats not around is fucking rayn who i want to kill. Switch your god damn vote were town. Your teammate's been letting you die for most of the game in all likelihood, your slot's been under suspicion from the beginning. And the fact that you keep harping on rayn not being here makes the poof/rayn team theory (which has been around from before) more likely, not less. | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:08 Tehpoofter wrote: GOOD lets kill him MUrder him Kill rayn with me lets fucking go . WEre both mafia so who cares which one dies. I'm alive to be checked against someone else. Like what if i turn up same wiht someone else like you?????????? then I'm town awesome. Lets kill rayn were both mafia should it matter to you? NO Vote rayn. Like rayn could be town and then we just basically instantly lose cause no way I dont get misslynched agian. Nah. Let's make the parity cop a real cop and get a crucial check | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote: Ooooooh you are NOT doing this! Keep on bunnies or our possible check will suck it'll be fine, if you're alive to tomorrow then no matter what your check is it'll be useful. if there are two mafia, same or oppo gives us scumteams if there is one mafia, same or oppo gives us autowin | ||
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we are not lynching poofter just to help the check we are not lynching poofter just to help the check we are not lynching poofter just to help the check we are not lynching poofter just to help the check we are not lynching poofter just to help the check we will get good info with the check regardless of whether or not we know poofter's alignment for sure we will get good info with the check regardless of whether or not we know poofter's alignment for sure we will get good info with the check regardless of whether or not we know poofter's alignment for sure lynch your scum read lynch your scum read lynch your scum read if you dont have one sheep me on rayn if you dont have one sheep me on rayn if you dont have one sheep me on rayn if you dont have one sheep me on rayn | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:38 IAmRobik wrote: I was grabbing food. The people changing off poofter are idiots. Poofter claiming Rayn is scummy for not being around @2:30am for a 4am lynch is not a valid reason for Rayn to be scum. There are reason to think Rayn is scum: he's playing scummy, marv and plam died, he's been fairly afk in general. Poofter gives NONE OF THESE REASON. His reason is that Rayn is AFK @ 2:30am. robik are you really doctor? because if you are then parity cop check is virtually an auto-win even if we don't lynch poofter. think it through. you die tonight, four people left are artanis, onceking, poofter and me along w/harubear. we will know FOR SURE that the scumteam is one of those two pairs and we should easily be able to eliminate one of the two pairs based on a combination of associations together and with other players and based on independent play. that's ASSUMING WE MISLYNCH TODAY EVEN! but we may not! and if rayn IS scum then it is autowin even with parity cop check. there is no reason to lynch poofter to help the check so let's lynch the scum which is rayn | ||
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everybody move off of poofter everybody move off of poofter everybody move off of poofter everybody move off of poofter lynch rayn lynch rayn lynch rayn lynch rayn lynch rayn | ||
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I almost want to lynch this guy instead What a scummy answer | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: I'll be sad because I like you and your play style I think I know what you're saying about the gap in my logic but I think he wouldn't be so silly. If we are taking the same thing here. OnceKing, Eden's scenario is not accurate because in case there are only 4 of us, the parity check will only reveal if people are on the same team or not, which means NOTHING because we will be 2 towns and 2 scums. Eden is assuming he is confirmed town, but he isn't. I just BELIEVE he is town. you aren't thinking this through. nothing i said depended on my alignment. let's say we lynch rayn and he's town you checked poofter n1 and then let's say you check me n2. you get oppo. that means either me or poofter is scum. that ALSO means that either onceking or artanis is scum. that gives us four possible teams: poofter/onceking, poofter/artanis, eden/onceking or eden/artanis. it's not an auto-win but it gives us a lot to work with. and that's before bringing in any reads from this game ... and then if we do lynch rayn and he is scum it actually is auto | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:10 IAmRobik wrote: I READ EVERYTHING. (maybe i missed a couple posts somewhere in the 105-107 range...don't remember which page i pseudo skimmed). BANKS IS MAFIA. IF HE WASN'T MAFIA HE WOULDN'T MIND GETTING LYNCHED HERE. WE GUARANTEE INFORMATION TOMORROW THAT IS WAY BETTER INFORMATION THAN IF HE WERE ALIVE. no, it's not that much better. i just explained how it's not. you're capable of better logic than this. | ||
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makes no sense as an argument for him being scum. he should have been trying more earlier but that's not alignment-indicative. it's anti-town in the sense that it gives us less time to find an alternative if he is town, but i don't see a reason to believe that that makes him scum | ||
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for one, slender completely bailed on the game for another, rayn has at no point tried to get the lynch he wanted very hard at all. i called him out for this almost a day ago and he hasn't made a concerted push since. that slot is just chilling in the background letting us kill ourselves. don't fall into this | ||
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Robik fakeclaimed medic. I am the jailer. Bear, you are never getting that scan because I am jailing you tonight so we don't lose our confirmed town. Drop your lynch on Poofter and move to rayn with me. | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:25 HaruRH wrote: Alright we got this game We lynch pooft. Eden will die n2 since he jails us. Our check goes through. D3 we will have 2 confirmed towns and we smite 2 scum. Were lynching the fuck out of pooft. that's not how this works... | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:26 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, question: why not voting Robik once you saw he was fake claiming? (It's his team name btw) because I felt like if I waited until the next day to claim then Robik would have been screwed if he were scum and fakeclaiming unfortunately I had to convince you guys to get off the "lynch poofter to get a better check" line of thought so I claimed | ||
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but i jailed onceking because he was my top town read | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:37 GlowingBear wrote: YOU will take the risk? That's the better scenario? Not happening, I'm sorry. I'm still deciding which claim to believe. I think game was figured out. Poof don't be mad :/ How do you believe Robik's claim? It makes no sense for a real medic to claim in that situation. It would make more sense if he were a VT fakeclaiming to draw the shot than it would if he were the real medic. | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:41 GlowingBear wrote: Tbh, I don't care, if we die you're lynched, Robik. And then there is the jailer. Better have a cop trying to check than keeping him in a jail and being just a plain vanilla. If you are a jailer you should focus jailing scum now. That's it, my decision is taken. I won't change my vote. Goodbye poof, I love you, don't be mad you have got to be kidding me. i can't block kp through jailing please at least read the OP where the jailer role PM is clearly posted for all to see | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:47 GlowingBear wrote: People, I am not changing my vote, I am really sorry. I'm not being stubborn, I'm analysing scenarios and if Rayn turns town we are MUCH MORE FUCKED. I WON'T change votes. I repeat: I WON'T no, we aren't any more fucked if rayn is town vis-a-vis poofter you keep operating under the illusion that you're getting a check. you're not getting a check. | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Woke up, couldn't fall back asleep, saw time. What's going on? HAIL MARY VOTE RAYN PLEASE | ||
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OnceKing is town Poofter is town Robik is town We lynch Artanis/Koshi then Haru/GB if they're somehow still alive after they don't have any protection whatsoever. Got it! | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:10 IAmRobik wrote: I am actually the medic and I will be saving haru tonight. Mafia is so boned. There is 0 chance that mafia wins now lmfao don't even play | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:28 GlowingBear wrote: Eden need a trophy for the most inconsistent reads of all time proudly accept this mothafuckin trophy townies should never have consistent reads | ||
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ive been saying it since d1 dude its so tru ok friends lets look at dis shit. we arent actually lynching harubear ever LOL i made that up le rxn test!! xdddddddd onceking and i are confirmed town. so we lynch into 3 people with 2 lynches... robik, artanis, poofter i feel like poofter and robik are both town and i don't like how lackadaisical artanis was at EOD here, i know he checked in last-minute and couldn't truly catch up and GET INTO IT but he literally was like "lol this lynch is ok i guess??" which is meh | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:48 OnceKing wrote: so... we're lynching into 4 people with 2 lynches what no. how u figure. 6 ppl alive and no way its you me or the bear at most even if we say fuck it from there, we lynch into 3 ppl w 2 lynch. more likely we lynch into 1 ppl with 2 lynch | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:46 GlowingBear wrote: You have claimed vt and now claimed jail keeper. What are you? i am not a vt i was saying it to bait rxn and start real discussion which is why i dropped the "case" on poofybunnies as soon as real discussion started | ||
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On July 16 2014 12:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: Well wherever i work, i make pretty great tips. I work at a mexican restaurant. i did not expect these sentences to be equal parts of a coherent, sincere thought | ||
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As for my thoughts I said way back before rayn flipped that scumteam was artanis/rayn so I'm all ears for lynching them tomorrow. | ||
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On July 16 2014 15:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Tell me what yall think about my reads above. Im really curious. ![[image loading]](http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/148/1489900/2566550-8413999587-c8a.g.gif) | ||
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r u waiting me out until u nightkill me jus 4 da record u cant nightkill harubear im putting him in jail | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://cdn1-www.playstationlifestyle.net/assets/uploads/2010/02/MarvelVsCapcom2.jpg) Day One The game has begun! oh my fucking god how did you people not tell me this was marvel/capcom themed ahem AHAHAHA GET DUNKED ON SCUM | ||
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On July 16 2014 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I blame you for falling asleep. Also are people really considering me scummy for showing up at deadline and not switching? The lynch was on Poof at the time with like 10 minutes left, there really would be no reason for me to not just afk through. there was plenty of smoke to killing rayn for the last hour of the turn, incorrect answer who is the final mafia iyo? and why? you stole my koshi from me so i have to sheep with u to get back @ him. | ||
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why does robik making a massive push to lynch poofter make him scum? and i feel like "lining up the lynches" is rather uncharitable, holyflare's case on poofter isn't too bad (although i disagree) and he's not stating it like some ironclad certainty... why do you feel it's "lining up the lynches" as opposed to simply "making a case"? | ||
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i would buy this more if you hadn't outright said On July 16 2014 10:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn lynch is alright too I guess. with one minute to go, i mean seriously, how can you act like nothing was going to happen lol. it was obviously close all the way through, you acknowledge it yourself with this comment, you can't tell me that scum in your spot would just be like "oh well nothing's gonna happen time to afk" re: Robik, i agree that the "i don't even care if you are town" comment was bullshit and terrible but contextually it didn't/doesn't read like scum pushing it too hard, it reads like mad as hell Robik getting roped into a fight regardless of alignment. it's null to me. he was obviously just pissy cause i'm better @ pushing lynches than he is and so what if he was pushing town hard over scum? also null, if he's town he doesn't know either alignment and is pushing on his best read and just happens to be wrong. if he's scum you could just as easily argue that robik is going to be hesitant to push so hard on town knowing that he's saving scum... of course that ignores the REAL explanation which is that robik had pushed so hard the whole time on poofybunnies... which is not definitively a townie trait, but is certainly more townie than scummy. if he's town then it makes sense that he's going to push hard on his scum read and push even harder as it becomes less certain that his read gets lynched. if he's scum, then once it came down to rayn vs poofy he had already committed with a hard push and has taken an excellent weapon in this scenario, the bus, off the table. why, as scum, commit to poofy as a fake scumread from the beginning of the game if it could mean that you end up with your hands tied in the event that town figured out your partner and you needed to bus? robik clearly left his options about as closed as possible, which doesn't necessarily make him town, but would be a bad play if he's scum. this whole post kind of exemplifies the problem i'm having with your team, artanis. you and koshi are good players. but i feel like this case on robik is weak... it's the kind of "he was vocally wrong! he must be the bad guy!" lynch that i expect out of newbie townies who don't think through a situation logically and run with the first strong emotion they feel about a major event. and remember that tell we discussed earlier about harubear that turned out to be right? the path of least resistance vs most resistance? robik is by far and away the path of least resistance outside of your slot right now because he got beamed in the face with a carton of ostrich eggs when rayn flipped scum. path of least resistance isn't always scummy but when it's coupled with, frankly, pretty crappy arguing? yeah it looks scummy to me. | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:26 Koshi wrote: Yes. You are fakeclaiming scum. i have literally zero idea if u srs rite now koshi how do u feel about me sheeping with ur new partner artanis? | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote: As long as you don't take him to lunch like you did with your mistress rayn. oh we're going to lunch alright ![[image loading]](http://ripronpaul.com/contents/2013-06-28_151351.gif) | ||
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everyone knows that hiding a town seal behind N spoilers (where N = two raised to an even power) negates it and makes it a mafia seal and no you dont get any takebacks or double reverse tagbacks or jinx jokes u owe me amilion cokes period . | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:46 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I'm lost. What is a town seal? I mean, wtf? yet another example of vets getting too far up their asses with meta to focus on the fundamentals well not really but that's my drum and i'm beating it until the game ends and all the salty dead vets i'm pissing off can tell me off | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote: so I hope you've pm'd kita to concede so we don't have to waste 72 hours upvote | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:08 marvellosity wrote: Eden pls don't make terrible cases on me thx edit: Robik was like 99% VT from his claim lol Try harder and you won't have to worry about it | ||
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Town played super good shouts to my crew: Goodkarma goodpardna Onceking so town Robik v good counterweight Based Harubear v good vote switch Poofybunnies SO TOWN Palmiform u were cool Slamroot I'm sorry Scum team was p. cool too. Would play w/all again | ||
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Y'all know we caught rayn and artanis without pr right? I get that they helped out but it's not like we rode blue dix to victory like in Avatar Well I guess they rode MY blue dick but that's different | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote: Onceking had approximately 0% chance of being hit. Shrug Not knowing %s I went for max payout which = protect best town read The Plays | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:30 marvellosity wrote: You can work out likelihoods though. That's what makes a good blue. You made a protect which had very little chance of making a save. You can carry on thinking that protecting your top townread is the correct play though. With no meta knowledge to speak of? Not really, even if I just tried to random pick a vet, I saw all the vets snoozing thru d1 and saved a guy I felt sure was town instead | ||
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What do y'all consider optimal save strat? My reason for top town read is I assume I won't outguess the mafia and try to create best floor which is "ensure top town read safe" | ||
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I guess we disagree on who was best assets then. I felt OK was best asset too tbh. Maybe I misread/got tunnel but I felt like we were by far doing the most work itt | ||
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Thanks for handing me the game on a platter rayn I appreciate you carrying me out of the kindness of Ur haert. U R an inspiration. The Catholic Church should make U a saint. U R So Nice 2 Give Game 2 Us Unworthy Town Plebs. <3 | ||
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I think this would be great for newbie games, prolly better than coaching tbh. Tweak balance mebbe as needed but core mechanic is good imo | ||
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Pulling from what Blazinghand said at the end of Detention Mafia: On June 11 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote: Whenever you lynch someone and they flip town, you have two options. You either say that you need to re-evaluate how you make scumreads, either in general or on this guy in particular, or you say that him flipping town is acceptable. There is no other option. So, you can say, "given the way Palmar played, I will always lynch that kind of play, and I don't care if it hits town or not, this is a policy of mine." This way, the fact that he flipped town is irrelevant, you were lynching because you're trying to deter that kind of play, or because 90% of the time it's right and this one is just in the 10%, and it's impossible to refine your reads on that 10% of failures. You're willing to lynch town, and you will use this heuristic KNOWING it will lynch town. Or, you can say "i need to refine my heuristic. It was acceptable before, or it was acceptable in other formats of this game, or other, related games, but it didn't work this time. What can I do to be better?" This way, next time this happens you know how to identify town. Now, maybe this is perfectly fakeable by scum so you end up doing the same thing, but you are at least open to becoming better/smarter. What's not an acceptable option is to blame Palmar for flipping town, and claim your heuristic is good because it catches scum. The fact of the matter is, whatever you did lynched a townie. You either have to admit that lynching townies sometimes is part of the plan, or you have to come up with a new plan. Maybe Palmar is an idiot and there's no way to avoid lynching him when he's town; if that's the case, say that. The heuristics that I used in lynching your slot -- "scum are significantly more likely to make posts like the one sqrt did that I called out" and "scum are significantly more likely to react in a nonconstructive way and spam the thread like Slam did" and "scum are significantly more likely to throw out reads under fire that don't make sense and refuse to explain them, like both players did" -- are, in my experience, right much more than they are wrong. I am comfortable with the success rate of my lynches and don't see a realistic option to improve them. Sometimes they're wrong and I lynch a townie anyway. Shit happens. I'm sorry you ended up on the wrong end of the noose this go-round, but I stand by the process I used in lynching you, even though in this circumstance it didn't end in the way either of us wanted it to end. | ||
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There's a lot of other stuff in there that would take a while to address; suffice to say that I did ask plenty of non-loaded questions prior to my joking prods about the scum QT, and plenty of them afterwards, as well. If you want to talk about them in more detail we can, but for the moment I'll respect your desire not to discuss it and simply agree to disagree. Also if we're talking bans, I know I'm super late to the party, but if Slam was banned for posting NSFW images I strongly oppose that and would request that he be reinstated. It wasn't a big enough deal to warrant any punitive action and I'm kinda disappointed to hear that such action was taken -- I just wanted it to desist since I was at work at the time and panicked a little bit when stuff that would make my boss freak out popped up. Sorry if I overreacted to it in the thread. Haru, I'm not really sure what to tell you honestly. I regret using as strong language as I used to make my point, but I stand by the point being made -- you were entirely unconvincing when you spent the whole game getting mad at people who disagreed with you and yelling at them like that was going to change their minds. You certainly dished it back before and after I made my comment. I've chalked them up to heat-of-the-moment angry insults you didn't actually mean, and I'd be happy to play another game with you. You're welcome to do what you like from here; I hope you'll accept my apology for the unnecessarily strong attack I made on you and that we can bury the hatchet. Alternatively you can stay mad if that's what you prefer. Maybe talk to Cavalinho and commiserate, he still hates my guts for... hah, pushing a lynch on him as the parity cop, how about that. That's funny. Anyway sorry for pissing y'all off, I mean no harm and feel bad for ruining your experiences with this game. | ||
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To clarify, I don't think either you or Robik are terrible, far from it, and I never did think that. I just found what you were doing absolutely unconvincing and wanted to say that strongly enough to get that message across. I oversold it a lot, and I'm sorry for that. I alluded to the concept behind what I was doing in my QT with goodkarma with something I said to Robik at the beginning of the first day. Y'all seem to have a similar style to me, and I know that when comments like "you're terrible at this game" are thrown at me I get into mad prove-them-wrong mode and step up my game. So I figured I'd give a strong prod like that to see if you would respond similarly. You did, but as it turns out there was a good reason for what seemed like shady play, and I made you mad enough to claim, which was obviously a horrible mistake on my part. When I said "I stand by that decision" I'm referring to calling you out, and in retrospect it was just not a good play and not something I should have done. I disagree with this part: I just hope you realise everyone is smart enough in these mafia games to know what to do. Nobody is bullshitting for no reason - they have their own reasons. You don't just chalk everything up as 'bad play' and show them face. Not to say that not everyone is smart, of course people know what to do. But all players will get lazy, or mad, or otherwise play suboptimally unintentionally, and so there's certainly a purpose for calling that out; you just have to be careful in doing it to get a constructive response. I obviously wasn't careful about it at all and screwed the pooch pretty bad, and I'm sorry for that. I hope that makes sense. Again I didn't and don't think you're bad at all, I just said it and said it strongly because I felt like something was off about your game, and ended up making a big fool of myself in the process. I'm confused by one thing you said though... Also remember that you cannot regret doing something since it is already done. I don't understand how you're using the word regret here. Regret necessarily entails an action you've already taken; it's the pain associated with realizing you made a big mistake in how you acted in the past. What do you mean by this sentence? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
@Haru, that's interesting. I guess I'm still not following. I do regret the language I used in making my point, along with even making the point at all. I'm sorry for using it and sorry for hurting you. Perhaps that's a better way of putting it rather than talking about regretting it or not? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
and secondly, I don't wholly agree. if someone's hurt, it's tone-deaf and inconsiderate to handwave it with arguments that boil down to "it's just a game." the right thing to do if you hurt someone in-game is to apologize for it and explain yourself. even if getting overly aggressive or rude leads to better results for you (and at least with the aggression part, I'm a poster child for aggression = better results; I play terribly when I'm not aggressive), you have to take responsibility for the fact that you can hurt someone and, if you did, own it, apologize for it and try to rectify it | ||
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