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1) i'm asking it, not saying you said it. are you? because your current reason for not looking into it further is "bullshit -> mafia is rarely that easy" which is a terrible reason not to look into something further. obviously it's not easy. the whole point of our job as town is to figure out when "bullshit -> mafia" is true and when it's false
2) yes, it does make sense. think about what you're saying. "you can't conclude that x is mafia for doing something bullshit b/c they could do something bullshit as town!" guess what, everyone can do anything as town or mafia.
not to mention that i'm not arguing "it's bullshit therefore mafia" in the first place, i called bs on your meta-defense of robik. the actual argument is "robik is whining and crying about the direction the town took after slamroot flipped town when he explicitly signed off on that direction and pointedly refused to influence it before the flip." which is a pretty good argument for robik being scum and certainly not "bullshit therefore mafia"
i really don't like this post from marv at all. i feel like my argument is being oversimplified and fallaciously reduced to absurdity, and that marv should know better
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On July 14 2014 03:43 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 03:07 Eden1892 wrote:On July 14 2014 03:00 marvellosity wrote:On July 14 2014 02:59 Eden1892 wrote:
if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one. Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie. that's not really the point of my argument, i'm trying to tease out what he's saying the problem is that robik didn't do a damn thing to influence the thread's direction the first day, and he outright gave the direction the green light on multiple occasions. then as soon as it goes wrong he acts like he has all the answers and we should just follow him because we're all stupid rubes who mislynched a townie. he's fucking gloating about us mislynching slamroot because he wasn't involved with it please explain in what universe a townie gloats about the fact that town mislynched town because that townie didn't feel like influencing the thread away from the lynch I didn't gloat. I said that he wasn't my top target, but that I thought he was scummy so I was cool with it. Learn to read and stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
ok so if he was scummy and, from what you said earlier, your #2 target, why are you whining about him getting lynched and demanding we go in a different direction?
There's a reason I'm playing the game this way, and it's not because I am mafia. So stop calling me mafia. Stop saying that what I'm doing is something that mafia does (while it may be true, it's not in this case, so fuck that noise), and you can go back to scumhunting. Having said that, I trust my reads -- especially the minute ones -- better than i trust ZOMGTHISCASEISSOGOOD ones, so I want you, and everyone else in the game, to know that we're lynching who I say we're lynching tomorrow...KAPISH?
this is really setting off my "fuck you" alarms, you're not even halfway addressing my concerns and if you expect me to roll over and do what you want after that, you can sit on a cactus throne scumlord
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Dude, you're completely misrepresenting my actions. Unless you're a braindead fool, which I don't perceive you to be, you need to just reread what I wrote.
1) I just reread your initial accusation of me and I'm pissed as shit that you are trying to say that I am gloating. What the fuck would ever give you that idea? That's so far from the truth.
2) I'm not whining about it either. All I said was that now that we've MISlynched sqrt/slam (WHICH I WANTED TO DO TOO, BUT JUST NOT AS MUCH AS I WANTED TO LYNCH BUNNIES), we're going to follow me, because I can't trust anyone but myself and ExO this game.
3) Yes, I want everyone to follow my direction because I know I'm town and I'm perfectly willing to take the blame if I cause a mislynch, because at least I'll know that the mislynch occurred because a towny pushed it. Having said that, I think I have a pretty good read on bunnies/poofter and I really really think that their lynch would be a lynch of mafia.
4) You can call me scumlord all you want, but you WILL NOT GET ME MISLYNCHED. I will not fucking allow it. Listen, I lead 2 mislynches 2 games ago, and it was whatever, because I learned from it and town still won. The very next game, I took a backseat and let other people drive the lynch, although I expressed great disdain for it. Turns out we lynched a townie. I wasn't as aggressive because I had learned from my previous mistake of pushing hard. I'm telling you this because if you're town you need to back the fuck off and not be so pushy with the next lynch cause you were instrumental in lynching a townie, pressuring everyone and their fucking mother's to vote for slam/sqrt, so you WILL NOT be in charge of the lynch tomorrow.
NOW BACK THE FUCK OFF ME.
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Soooo. I'm back-ish. I needed a break last night. Being sick, and trying to play mafia don't go so well, and sorry if I seemed overly frustrated or mad.
However, I did go to work today and made a shit ton of money.
Now to pay bills! Woot.
On another note: I only skimmed the last couple of pages, and didn't thoroughly read them. I'll be going back through it more carefully before I fully respond to anything.
Couple of notes:
1. We are not following Robik during the day because he is going to cause another mislynch on me and Poof. It's obv he wants to kill me. I still don't understand why he hates me so much.
2. Just because I was the only one to believe Slamroot was town, doesn't make me mafia. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Like, even stupider than the kenpachi rule. Sure, my case was based on half meta stuff, but still. I was in the game where Slam got mislynched as a blue role. He got super mad, just as he did in this game. He didn't quit in the other game, and fought, but it seemed similar to how he was acting this game.
3. I'm really curious as to who will die in the night. So much town everywhere. My reads are shit.
4. Just off the top of my head, like I said, I haven't fully read anything, I think we should take a look at Rayn/Slender, Marv/Mderg, and Koshi/CR tomorrow. So this might change from now until I have read everything.
Idk when I'll be back with the answers to everyone's questions, cause there is a few irl stuff I got to do, but wanted to check in.
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If I hear kenpachi rule 1 more time....
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Technically you're not hearing it. You are seeing it.
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yeah this isn't gonna work bud. you're not going to convince me not to push hard for every lynch i want. if you want your lynch you're either gonna have to convince me your lynch is good or outwork me in convincing everyone else that your lynch > my lynch. but asking, whining, begging or yelling at me to fall in line isn't gonna get you anywhere.
right now i think robik is scum because you look like you're gloating about the fact that the town mislynched somebody and you didn't push it. he looks that way because he's trying to use that as a cudgel to beat down the people who were leading the lynch yesterday so he can control the lynch. that's not what townies do. they don't just try to get control of the lynch on principle, they do it as a means to the end of lynching scum. can anyone tell me who robik wants to lynch right now? (obviously not you robik i assume you know) because all i've gotten from him since the lynch is "MY TURN MY TURN MY TURN TEACHER MAKE MEEEE THE LEADER TO GO TO LUNCH TODAAAAY"
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** "right now i think robik is scum because he looks like he's gloating about the fact that the town mislynched somebody and he didn't push it"
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SHOW ME ONE POST WHICH REPRESENTS GLOATING
IF YOU KEEP PUSHING SCUM ON ME, I WILL BE FORCED TO PUSH BACK (EVEN THOUGH I THOUGHT IT WAS TOWNY HOW YOU PUSHED SQRT) BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE PUSHING FOR A TOWNIE TO GET LYNCHED. IF YOU DO NOT STOP THIS ATTACK, WHICH IS MARRED BY LIES, I WILL TAKE SEVERE ACTION THAT I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE.
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On July 14 2014 06:41 Eden1892 wrote:
yeah this isn't gonna work bud. you're not going to convince me not to push hard for every lynch i want. if you want your lynch you're either gonna have to convince me your lynch is good or outwork me in convincing everyone else that your lynch > my lynch. but asking, whining, begging or yelling at me to fall in line isn't gonna get you anywhere.
right now i think robik is scum because you look like you're gloating about the fact that the town mislynched somebody and you didn't push it. he looks that way because he's trying to use that as a cudgel to beat down the people who were leading the lynch yesterday so he can control the lynch. that's not what townies do. they don't just try to get control of the lynch on principle, they do it as a means to the end of lynching scum. can anyone tell me who robik wants to lynch right now? (obviously not you robik i assume you know) because all i've gotten from him since the lynch is "MY TURN MY TURN MY TURN TEACHER MAKE MEEEE THE LEADER TO GO TO LUNCH TODAAAAY"
learn to fucking read if you're gonna make statements like this. I guarantee you that everyone in the fucking thread and their mothers knows who I want to lynch. It's the same person I wanted to lynch yesterday. It's the same person that has been doing shitall who has the highest chance of being mafia and who I've found scummy all fucking game.
If you're going to play like this but just pushing random shit, I'm gonna get all the townies to lynch you -- I don't even give a fuck if it's a mislynch because you're blatantly lying about shit and I make sure that I get liars lynched.
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It's actually really piss poor of you to think I'm mafia here.
LIKE REALLY FUCKING BAD.
You know why? Because in the noobie game we played together, you thought I was mafia for not pushing back on your hard. If you don't acknowledge that meta read, I'm going to fucking shit all over your face and in your mouth at daybreak tomorrow with arguments that are going to make everyone type ##vote: edenthefuckingscrubassdonkeyandhisinvisiblepartner
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oh god, you guys are pretty cool.
I'm going to have to actually read most of this at some point.
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why aren't you pushing that lynch then? that's what I don't understand, I see one mention of poofter/bunnies since the flip and it's not a case, it's a read that isn't really followed up on. you talked plenty about them pre-flip when you weren't trying to control the lynch, now you're trying to control the lynch and i'm not seeing the case anymore and it's just strange. like i've done more to try to get you lynched since the flip and i don't even think you're mafia! if someone who's just trying to piss you off and make you play for real is putting out more effort to get their "target" killed than you are, that's a problem, dude. step up!
give me a concise case on theD please, I'm just not seeing bunnies as scum from what i saw yesterday but i'm open to changing my mind on it
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@palmar go ahead and do so but you're going to see that i was just trying to rustle robik's jimmies so he got off his various high horses and played for real, no hang-back-and-make-his-partner-do-all-the-work shit, no crying to me for control of the lynch, no pretense just good blue-collar murican hard work
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yeah too lazy now, had people over for beer and world cup finals. It was good. but y'know, fuck doing shit right now, it's 11pm. I'll read this tomorrow.
Also mafia QT is really blowing up right now, we're having a good time in there.
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that said if you want to read and comment go look at marv's posts near the end of p74 b/c i don't like them at all
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On July 14 2014 07:57 Eden1892 wrote:
why aren't you pushing that lynch then? that's what I don't understand, I see one mention of poofter/bunnies since the flip and it's not a case, it's a read that isn't really followed up on. you talked plenty about them pre-flip when you weren't trying to control the lynch, now you're trying to control the lynch and i'm not seeing the case anymore and it's just strange. like i've done more to try to get you lynched since the flip and i don't even think you're mafia! if someone who's just trying to piss you off and make you play for real is putting out more effort to get their "target" killed than you are, that's a problem, dude. step up!
give me a concise case on theD please, I'm just not seeing bunnies as scum from what i saw yesterday but i'm open to changing my mind on it
Why the fuck are you trying to get me lynched if you don't think I'm mafia? WTF, that's so illogical I can't fucking take it.
I'm just gonna ignore the shit out of you because your brain was clearly swapped at birth with Abby Normal
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On July 14 2014 07:57 Eden1892 wrote:
why aren't you pushing that lynch then? that's what I don't understand, I see one mention of poofter/bunnies since the flip and it's not a case, it's a read that isn't really followed up on. you talked plenty about them pre-flip when you weren't trying to control the lynch, now you're trying to control the lynch and i'm not seeing the case anymore and it's just strange. like i've done more to try to get you lynched since the flip and i don't even think you're mafia! if someone who's just trying to piss you off and make you play for real is putting out more effort to get their "target" killed than you are, that's a problem, dude. step up!
give me a concise case on theD please, I'm just not seeing bunnies as scum from what i saw yesterday but i'm open to changing my mind on it
It's night time. What lynch am I supposed to push right now? I've given my thoughts. Like aosdnfoaisdnfosdfngoasd;nfgoiansdf
GOD I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT
EVERYTIMNE I READ A POST MY MIND EXPLODES AND I GET SO FUCKING MAD
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